Digital BW, The Print

I have never purchased a profile before but I think it is time to deal
with the too black density issue I am gacing by getting one for my
Epson 3800 using Hahnemuhle Photo Rag 308. Any suggestions of who does
a good job of this?

Thanks.

I'd say Chromix.com
But initially, it may be a good idea to do some tests to see if
results may be better by selecting a different media setting. A
profile can only do so much if things are really blocked up. Even if
you do have a custom profile made, these tests will be useful to
determine what setting to use when you print a profiling chart.
Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "chuck nakell"
<chuck@...> wrote:

>
> I have never purchased a profile before but I think it is time to deal
> with the too black density issue I am gacing by getting one for my
> Epson 3800 using Hahnemuhle Photo Rag 308. Any suggestions of who does
> a good job of this?
> 
> Thanks.
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley"
<tyler@...> wrote:
>
> But initially, it may be a good idea to do some tests to see if
> results may be better by selecting a different media setting. A
> profile can only do so much if things are really blocked up. Even if
> you do have a custom profile made, these tests will be useful to
> determine what setting to use when you print a profiling chart.
> Tyler
> 


The above advice is correct, you need to fix the over inking on paper
before getting a profile made. I've made profiles for a lot of
printers, and a lot of people. If the target is a mess because there
is too much ink on the paper, the results are always lesser quality
profiles.

Hello Greg,

>The above advice is correct, you need to fix the over inking on paper
>before getting a profile made. I've made profiles for a lot of
>printers, and a lot of people. If the target is a mess because there
>is too much ink on the paper, the results are always lesser quality
>profiles.

Try reducing the ink load setting.  I keep mine at -5% all the time. 
Otherwise the blacks are too loaded and puddly looking.


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

...would you also recommend setting a 2200 to -5%?

Sarah


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones" <cj@...> wrote:

>
> Hello Greg,
> 
> >The above advice is correct, you need to fix the over inking on paper
> >before getting a profile made. I've made profiles for a lot of
> >printers, and a lot of people. If the target is a mess because there
> >is too much ink on the paper, the results are always lesser quality
> >profiles.
> 
> Try reducing the ink load setting.  I keep mine at -5% all the time. 
> Otherwise the blacks are too loaded and puddly looking.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Clayton
> 
> 
> Info on black and white digital printing at    
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
>

Hi Sarah,

>...would you also recommend setting a 2200 to -5%?

I can't remember if the 2200 has the ability to do this.  If it does,
then just run some small test prints to see which setting looks best.  

When I got my 2400 the initial prints, when contrast and density were
otherwise ok, looked heavily overloaded in the blacks.  By
experimenting I found that reducing the ink load solved it, and -5%
was the most I could reduce without the prints beginning to look weak.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

The 2200 has a Color Density adjustment. This will allow you to reduce the
black density on the page, but it will also reduce the density of the color
inks. I used to use this but find I get better color results when I build my
profile by carefully selecting the media to use. For black and white work
QTR of course allows full control over the black density.

Terry.

> Clayton Jones wrote:
>
> >...would you also recommend setting a 2200 to -5%?
> 
> I can't remember if the 2200 has the ability to do this.  If it does,
> then just run some small test prints to see which setting 
> looks best.  
> 
> When I got my 2400 the initial prints, when contrast and density were
> otherwise ok, looked heavily overloaded in the blacks.  By
> experimenting I found that reducing the ink load solved it, and -5%
> was the most I could reduce without the prints beginning to look weak.

Since I mainly print BO -though I do use QTR when more appropriate for the image - I 
decided to go ahead and slightly reduce the Color Density setting, and did find that in 
some of the prints I had previously made that showed a bit of blockiness in the deep 
blacks, this alleviated that.

Thanks for the suggestion. 
Sarah


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Terry Ritz" <t.ritz@...> wrote:

>
> The 2200 has a Color Density adjustment. This will allow you to reduce the
> black density on the page, but it will also reduce the density of the color
> inks. I used to use this but find I get better color results when I build my
> profile by carefully selecting the media to use. For black and white work
> QTR of course allows full control over the black density.
> 
> Terry.
> 
> > Clayton Jones wrote:
> >
> > >...would you also recommend setting a 2200 to -5%?
> > 
> > I can't remember if the 2200 has the ability to do this.  If it does,
> > then just run some small test prints to see which setting 
> > looks best.  
> > 
> > When I got my 2400 the initial prints, when contrast and density were
> > otherwise ok, looked heavily overloaded in the blacks.  By
> > experimenting I found that reducing the ink load solved it, and -5%
> > was the most I could reduce without the prints beginning to look weak.
>