Digital BW, The Print

I could sear that I have seen this question asked and answered, but cannot
find it.

What is the essential difference between these two papers (using K3 inks)?
I've had both, but not at the same time.  I seem to recall that semigloss
is a little thicker, perhaps?  But not seeing them side by side, my
perception of the two is that they are the same.  --except it seems there
are more choices for packaging in the luster - 20, 50, 100, 250 sheet packs,
etc.

Can anyone give me a quickie comparison?


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Hi There,

EPSG has no optical brighteners and has a smoother surface (not as 
stipply or star like when seen with glancing light). EPL has optical 
brighteners and has a grittier surface. I prefer the EPSG because the 
surface is less obtrusive and there are no optical brighteners to 
fade. It is my favorite paper and I use it for both color and B&W. It 
dry mounts very well and has a wonderful d-max. I hope that helps you.

http://www.scottjonesphoto.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Andy-J 
<andyj1011@...> wrote:
>
> I could sear that I have seen this question asked and answered, but 
cannot
> find it.
> 
> What is the essential difference between these two papers (using K3 
inks)?
> I've had both, but not at the same time.  I seem to recall that 
semigloss
> is a little thicker, perhaps?  But not seeing them side by side, my
> perception of the two is that they are the same.  --except it seems 
there
> are more choices for packaging in the luster - 20, 50, 100, 250 
sheet packs,

> etc.
> 
> Can anyone give me a quickie comparison?
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I can tell you one difference. Luster, or as we would call it Lustre, is 
not available in UK!
Unless someone can tell me different?
Geoff

Andy-J wrote:

>
> I could sear that I have seen this question asked and answered, but cannot
> find it.
>
> What is the essential difference between these two papers (using K3 inks)?
> I've had both, but not at the same time. I seem to recall that semigloss
> is a little thicker, perhaps? But not seeing them side by side, my
> perception of the two is that they are the same. --except it seems there
> are more choices for packaging in the luster - 20, 50, 100, 250 sheet 
> packs,
> etc.
>
> Can anyone give me a quickie comparison?
>
> [
>

Wow.....I wonder then why Luster comes in such user frinedly packages (like,
LOTS of choices)?  I really like Ilford Smooth Pearl - weight and look - but
I understand it has an acidic base - I think.  I am temped to just go on
printing with it and see what happens, but I dunno....

On 1/17/07, Scott Jones <peanutdogs@...> wrote:
>
>   Hi There,
>
> EPSG has no optical brighteners and has a smoother surface (not as
> stipply or star like when seen with glancing light). EPL has optical
> brighteners and has a grittier surface. I prefer the EPSG because the
> surface is less obtrusive and there are no optical brighteners to
> fade. It is my favorite paper and I use it for both color and B&W. It
> dry mounts very well and has a wonderful d-max. I hope that helps you.
>
> http://www.scottjonesphoto.com
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Andy-J
> <andyj1011@...> wrote:
> >
> > I could sear that I have seen this question asked and answered, but
> cannot
> > find it.
> >
> > What is the essential difference between these two papers (using K3
> inks)?
> > I've had both, but not at the same time. I seem to recall that
> semigloss
> > is a little thicker, perhaps? But not seeing them side by side, my
> > perception of the two is that they are the same. --except it seems
> there
> > are more choices for packaging in the luster - 20, 50, 100, 250
> sheet packs,
> > etc.
> >
> > Can anyone give me a quickie comparison?
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> 
>


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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Jones"
<peanutdogs@...> wrote:
> 
> EPSG has no optical brighteners and has a smoother surface (not as 
> stipply or star like when seen with glancing light). EPL has optical 
> brighteners and has a grittier surface. I prefer the EPSG because the 
> surface is less obtrusive and there are no optical brighteners to 
> fade. It is my favorite paper and I use it for both color and B&W. 

Actually Premium Semigloss and Premium Luster have nearly identical
OBA levels. Have a look at both of them under a black light (I have
before, and just did again before posting this). PGPP has more OBA,
and "Ultra" glossy has so much that it looks like a running LCD
display compared to the others.

But I agree with you on the obtrusiveness of the surfaces: I prefer
the semigloss surface to the luster too.

Ok...help me out here.....one of you says there are no OBAs, and the other
says there are.  Which is it?

On 1/17/07, koloshor <koloshor@...> wrote:
>
>   --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Scott Jones"
> <peanutdogs@...> wrote:
> >
> > EPSG has no optical brighteners and has a smoother surface (not as
> > stipply or star like when seen with glancing light). EPL has optical
> > brighteners and has a grittier surface. I prefer the EPSG because the
> > surface is less obtrusive and there are no optical brighteners to
> > fade. It is my favorite paper and I use it for both color and B&W.
>
> Actually Premium Semigloss and Premium Luster have nearly identical
> OBA levels. Have a look at both of them under a black light (I have
> before, and just did again before posting this). PGPP has more OBA,
> and "Ultra" glossy has so much that it looks like a running LCD
> display compared to the others.
>
> But I agree with you on the obtrusiveness of the surfaces: I prefer
> the semigloss surface to the luster too.
>
> 
>


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Well finally after searching google for you for 45 minutes I did 
finally come up with what seems to be an authoratative source that 
states that EPL has OBAs and EPSG does not. Please look about half 
way down this page:

http://www.swpp.co.uk/professional_imagemaker/epson_stylus_pro.htm

Cheers,

http://www.scottjonesphoto.com


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Andy-J 
<andyj1011@...> wrote:
>
> Ok...help me out here.....one of you says there are no OBAs, and 
the other
> says there are.  Which is it?
> 
> On 1/17/07, koloshor <koloshor@...> wrote:
> >
> >   --- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePr
int%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "Scott Jones"
> > <peanutdogs@> wrote:
> > >
> > > EPSG has no optical brighteners and has a smoother surface (not 
as
> > > stipply or star like when seen with glancing light). EPL has 
optical
> > > brighteners and has a grittier surface. I prefer the EPSG 
because the
> > > surface is less obtrusive and there are no optical brighteners 
to
> > > fade. It is my favorite paper and I use it for both color and 
B&W.
> >
> > Actually Premium Semigloss and Premium Luster have nearly 
identical
> > OBA levels. Have a look at both of them under a black light (I 
have
> > before, and just did again before posting this). PGPP has more 
OBA,
> > and "Ultra" glossy has so much that it looks like a running LCD
> > display compared to the others.
> >
> > But I agree with you on the obtrusiveness of the surfaces: I 
prefer

> > the semigloss surface to the luster too.
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Thanks for looking.  I did take a look at that article, but it raised the
same questions for me.  There are two entries for EPSG - one desigated at
"250" and it is both heavier and thicker than the other.  There is no entry
for simple EPL, only EPL "250" which appears to have more in common with the
EPSG 250 than the other.  I tried looking on Epson's site to see if there is
anything about "thicker" examples of these papers and found nothing (looked
on the US site and UK site).

Well, I like EPSG so I will just stick with it!  By the way, I looked at
your site as well.  VERY nice work!


On 1/18/07, Scott Jones <peanutdogs@...> wrote:
>
>
>


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That's a good question .. seems to be several observations about that paper.
In any case, it's not over-the-top white.  Maybe Joe can examine a piece
with the big spectro and let us know what it does near the UV region?

Best regards,
John Moody

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Andy-J
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:17 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Epson Prem Semigloss v Luster

Ok...help me out here.....one of you says there are no OBAs, and the other
says there are. Which is it?

On 1/17/07, koloshor < koloshor@... <mailto:koloshor%40yahoo.com> >
wrote:
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Scott Jones"
> <peanutdogs@...> wrote:
> >
> > EPSG has no optical brighteners and has a smoother surface (not as
> > stipply or star like when seen with glancing light). EPL has optical
> > brighteners and has a grittier surface. I prefer the EPSG because the
> > surface is less obtrusive and there are no optical brighteners to
> > fade. It is my favorite paper and I use it for both color and B&W.
>
> Actually Premium Semigloss and Premium Luster have nearly identical
> OBA levels. Have a look at both of them under a black light (I have
> before, and just did again before posting this). PGPP has more OBA,
> and "Ultra" glossy has so much that it looks like a running LCD
> display compared to the others.



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FWIW, http://www.wilhelm-research.com/epson/R1800.html lists Epson Premium
Semigloss Photo Paper as having no OBA, and Epson Premium Luster Photo Paper
as yes.
It seems odd that they would both glow a similar amount under black light.
Does anyone have an idea why that is?

Best regards,
John Moody

-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of John Moody
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:41 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Epson Prem Semigloss v Luster

That's a good question .. seems to be several observations about that paper.
In any case, it's not over-the-top white. Maybe Joe can examine a piece
with the big spectro and let us know what it does near the UV region?

Best regards,
John Moody

-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> ]On Behalf Of Andy-J
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:17 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Epson Prem Semigloss v Luster

Ok...help me out here.....one of you says there are no OBAs, and the other
says there are. Which is it?

On 1/17/07, koloshor < koloshor@... <mailto:koloshor%40yahoo.com>
<mailto:koloshor%40yahoo.com> >
wrote:
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Scott Jones"
> <peanutdogs@...> wrote:
> >
> > EPSG has no optical brighteners and has a smoother surface (not as
> > stipply or star like when seen with glancing light). EPL has optical
> > brighteners and has a grittier surface. I prefer the EPSG because the
> > surface is less obtrusive and there are no optical brighteners to
> > fade. It is my favorite paper and I use it for both color and B&W.
>
> Actually Premium Semigloss and Premium Luster have nearly identical
> OBA levels. Have a look at both of them under a black light (I have
> before, and just did again before posting this). PGPP has more OBA,
> and "Ultra" glossy has so much that it looks like a running LCD
> display compared to the others.

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