Digital BW, The Print

Does anyone have experience with the Generations inksets sold at 
various places such as Inkjetmall?

How do they compare to Epson inks?

Thanks

P.S.  I'm getting close to making some decisions.  So I'll likely be 
quiet for awhile until I get everything in and start failing 
miserably...then I'll be back asking everyone to solve the problems 
caused by my bad decision making.
Just something for you all to look forward to.

On Mar 7, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Steve wrote:

> Does anyone have experience with the Generations inksets sold at
> various places such as Inkjetmall?
>
> How do they compare to Epson inks?





Compare in what way?  To which inkset- dye or pigments?  On what type  
of paper?  Are you concerned with image quality or image longevity?   
If you print on glossy paper and are not concerned with image  
longevity, there is no reason to switch from Epson apart from cost or  
wanting to use bulk inks.  If you're concerned with archivalness,  
pigments will be much better, but will not print well on glossy  
surfaces. This may have improved with some recent papers somewhat.   
There will be a narrower gamut with pigments, but when I switched to  
Generations years ago, for image longevity reasons,  I was pleasantly  
surprised at how well they printed- on matte papers.  There is  
nothing magical about Generations or any other inkset (and some have  
been a disaster for some of us) speaking generally.  Until you have a  
specific reason to switch to another set, I'd say stick with what you  
have. Epson inks will give you the best image quality and there will  
be things like profiles available for them that will not be as  
available with a third party inkset until you are ready to create  
your own.

James Irelan

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As always, the subject is too complex for my simple questioning.
My color use will be almost exclusively for digital negatives on 
pictorico overhead transparancy paper.
I guess I was just looking for general "Yes it works well, or, No 
it's complete crap" sort of feedback.
It's moot now.  I've gone ahead and taken the plunge...

Thanks,


> Compare in what way?  To which inkset- dye or pigments?  On what 
type  
> of paper?  Are you concerned with image quality or image 
longevity?   
> If you print on glossy paper and are not concerned with image  
> longevity, there is no reason to switch from Epson apart from cost 
or  
> wanting to use bulk inks.  If you're concerned with archivalness,  
> pigments will be much better, but will not print well on glossy  
> surfaces. This may have improved with some recent papers 
somewhat.   
> There will be a narrower gamut with pigments, but when I switched 
to  
> Generations years ago, for image longevity reasons,  I was 
pleasantly  
> surprised at how well they printed- on matte papers.  There is  
> nothing magical about Generations or any other inkset (and some 
have  
> been a disaster for some of us) speaking generally.  Until you have 
a  
> specific reason to switch to another set, I'd say stick with what 
you  
> have. Epson inks will give you the best image quality and there 
will  

> be things like profiles available for them that will not be as  
> available with a third party inkset until you are ready to create  
> your own.
> 
> James Irelan
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steve"
<dazedgonebye@...> wrote:

> It's moot now.  I've gone ahead and taken the plunge...
> 


Freddy Krueger meets your printer...


... A Nigtmare on Mediastreet


Good luck with those inks.

You've had a bad experience with them?

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Greg" 
<dfaprinting@...> wrote:

>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steve"
> <dazedgonebye@> wrote:
> 
> > It's moot now.  I've gone ahead and taken the plunge...
> > 
> 
> 
> Freddy Krueger meets your printer...
> 
> 
> ... A Nigtmare on Mediastreet
> 
> 
> Good luck with those inks.
>

In a message dated 3/7/2007 12:45:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
dazedgonebye@... writes:

Does  anyone have experience with the Generations inksets sold at 
various places  such as Inkjetmall?

How do they compare to Epson  inks?

Thanks




I have used both Generations G-Chrome and G-Quad inks. The G-Chrome (color)  
inkset is excellent and has an identical gamut to Epson UC inks. They profile  
the same using 
PFP v 2.
The G-Quad inkset offers a wide range of B/W tones, using QTR and in my  
2200, allows printing bothe matte and photo black using the same inkset. The  
Yellow position holds the Gloss differential cart for Photo K. This inkset  
creates fantastic prints on Silver Rag.
The only problem with these inks is the long drying time. On the 2200,  it is 
necessary to insert little "flags" (supplied by MediaStreet) to hold the  
final rubber rollers in the elevated position in order to prevent wheel marks.  
This is on the Photo K papers only. The glossy finish then has to be handled  
very carefully, as the prints are still wet to the touch as they emerge from 
the  machine.
I would not hesitate to recommend these inks, both the color and the Quads. 
 
Richard (Brooklyn)
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steve"
<dazedgonebye@...> wrote:
>
> You've had a bad experience with them?
> 


Yes, with original Generations, G4 and G6 inks in several different
printers. The end of use was when I finally contacted support with my
last clogging problem, it was all handled very poorly. I used their
inks for many years (about 6) and spoke of them often. Now I recommend
staying far away from them. The inks from Image Specialists have been
much less problematic than the Generations inks ever thought to be.
WHen I started using them there was really nothing else to be found,
this was before Epson had a pigment inkset, and I just kept doing what
I had been doing. After the problems with support, I just lost all
faith with them. Even the owner didn't care about the problems. I
guess when you get large enough losing a customer here or there just
doesn't matter anymore.

So once again I say, good luck, hope it doesn't bite you on the backside.