Digital BW, The Print

Does a comprehensive list exist  for current printers that allow you to choose "Black Only" 
from the driver?

I'd like an inexpensive machine that allows for this. I'd use it with MIS Eboni Black ink.

What size prints? How do you define "inexpensive?" 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin"
<vinket@...> wrote:
>
> Does a comprehensive list exist  for current printers that allow you
to choose "Black Only" 
> from the driver?
> 
> I'd like an inexpensive machine that allows for this. I'd use it
with MIS Eboni Black ink.
>

8.5x11 prints only. under $150.00, but I'd still like to see a comprehensive list of all 
machines that do it, regardless of cost...if one exists.



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "djon43" <djon43@...> wrote:

>
> What size prints? How do you define "inexpensive?" 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin"
> <vinket@> wrote:
> >
> > Does a comprehensive list exist  for current printers that allow you
> to choose "Black Only" 
> > from the driver?
> > 
> > I'd like an inexpensive machine that allows for this. I'd use it
> with MIS Eboni Black ink.
> >
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin"
<vinket@...> wrote:
>
> 8.5x11 prints only. under $150.00, but I'd still like to see a
comprehensive list of all 
> machines that do it, regardless of cost...if one exists.

Find Clayton Jones...if anybody knows, he does.  

fyi, I've proven to my own satisfaction that Black Only is an inferior
way to make prints unless one isn't bothered by the dots...which are
quite evident in sharp paper. The smaller the print the more
significant the dots because they remain fixed in size irrespective
the print size. They look something like grain in small prints, vanish
in larger prints at "viewing distance." I think it can be attractive
with grainless files such as digicam but it conflicts with grain if
you're working with a high resolution scan of silver film.

Here's Clayton Jones http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

...and here are all the Epson printers and their MIS inks. SOME of
them can use Eboni, not all I think.  

I don't think any but Epson use Eboni, so this link may direct you to
all possible Black Only printers that use the ink you want to use. 

 http://www.inksupply.com/qn.cfm



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@... m, "djon43"
<djon43@...> wrote:

>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin"
> <vinket@> wrote:
> >
> > 8.5x11 prints only. under $150.00, but I'd still like to see a
> comprehensive list of all 
> > machines that do it, regardless of cost...if one exists.
> 
> Find Clayton Jones...if anybody knows, he does.  
> 
> fyi, I've proven to my own satisfaction that Black Only is an inferior
> way to make prints unless one isn't bothered by the dots...which are
> quite evident in sharp paper. The smaller the print the more
> significant the dots because they remain fixed in size irrespective
> the print size. They look something like grain in small prints, vanish
> in larger prints at "viewing distance." I think it can be attractive
> with grainless files such as digicam but it conflicts with grain if
> you're working with a high resolution scan of silver film.
>

i did BO printing w/ Epson 1280, but sold it prior to getting a 2400. 
big mistake. 

for black and white prints i got better results w/ BO, 1280 
method...actually, much better than anything i've been able to eek 
out of the 2400 following Clayton's 2400 instructions. 

also, i no longer need wide format.

finally, i don't shoot film. my files come from a canon 5d.



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "djon43" 
<djon43@...> wrote:
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin"
> <vinket@> wrote:
> >
> > 8.5x11 prints only. under $150.00, but I'd still like to see a
> comprehensive list of all 
> > machines that do it, regardless of cost...if one exists.
> 
> Find Clayton Jones...if anybody knows, he does.  
> 
> fyi, I've proven to my own satisfaction that Black Only is an 
inferior
> way to make prints unless one isn't bothered by the dots...which are
> quite evident in sharp paper. The smaller the print the more
> significant the dots because they remain fixed in size irrespective
> the print size. They look something like grain in small prints, 
vanish

> in larger prints at "viewing distance." I think it can be attractive
> with grainless files such as digicam but it conflicts with grain if
> you're working with a high resolution scan of silver film.
>

Can anyone tell me if subject printer does Black Only printing?

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" 
<vinket@...> wrote:
>
> Does a comprehensive list exist  for current printers that allow you 
to choose "Black Only" 
> from the driver?
> 
> I'd like an inexpensive machine that allows for this. I'd use it with 
MIS Eboni Black ink.
>

i have been using  a c88+ one based on the recommendations from this site along with the help from Paul's website.  I had none of the  problems Paul mentions. Perhaps it is beginners luck.
   
  ann
Paul Roark <paul.roark@verizon.net> wrote:
          Yes, the C88 does black only, but the quality can be rather bad. It may
depend on the individual printer, but on mine it was not what I consider
photo quality - banding as well as too rough.

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/> 

_____ 

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:59 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Epson Stylus C88+

Can anyone tell me if subject printer does Black Only printing?

--- In DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" 
<vinket@...> wrote:
>
> Does a comprehensive list exist for current printers that allow you 
to choose "Black Only" 
> from the driver?
> 
> I'd like an inexpensive machine that allows for this. I'd use it with 
MIS Eboni Black ink.
>

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I think B/O makes more sense with digicam/dslr files (maybe also with
converted color film files?)than with silver film scans. 2400 prints
I've seen in exchanges have not been consistently as beautiful as
2200, 220, 1280 etc with various inks, but that may be because 2400
makes things easier, demanding less skill.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin"
<vinket@...> wrote:

>
> i did BO printing w/ Epson 1280, but sold it prior to getting a 2400. 
> big mistake. 
> 
> for black and white prints i got better results w/ BO, 1280 
> method...actually, much better than anything i've been able to eek 
> out of the 2400 following Clayton's 2400 instructions. 
> 
> also, i no longer need wide format.
> 
> finally, i don't shoot film. my files come from a canon 5d.
>

thanks Paul and Ann

Ann, are you printing Black Only and with MIS Eboni Black?

Also, do you actually get to click on "Black Ink Only" from the 
driver in the setup?

I think it's worth stating again that I got very good results from 
the Epson 1280. But it's long gone now. I'd like the same results 
from a machine with a smaller footprint. I no longer print larger 
than 8.5x11.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, ann clancy 
<jaclancy1937@...> wrote:
>
> i have been using  a c88+ one based on the recommendations from 
this site along with the help from Paul's website.  I had none of 
the  problems Paul mentions. Perhaps it is beginners luck.
>    
>   ann
> Paul Roark <paul.roark@...> wrote:
>           Yes, the C88 does black only, but the quality can be 
rather bad. It may
> depend on the individual printer, but on mine it was not what I 
consider
> photo quality - banding as well as too rough.
> 
> Paul
> 
> www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/> 
> 
> _____ 
> 
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:59 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Epson Stylus C88+
> 
> Can anyone tell me if subject printer does Black Only printing?
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhit
> <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
> eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" 
> <vinket@> wrote:
> >
> > Does a comprehensive list exist for current printers that allow 
you 
> to choose "Black Only" 
> > from the driver?
> > 
> > I'd like an inexpensive machine that allows for this. I'd use it 
with 
> MIS Eboni Black ink.
> >
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
>          
> 
>        
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Yes, the C88 does black only, but the quality can be rather bad.  It may
depend on the individual printer, but on mine it was not what I consider
photo quality - banding as well as too rough.

 

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  

 

 

  _____  

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:59 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Epson Stylus C88+

 

Can anyone tell me if subject printer does Black Only printing?

--- In DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" 
<vinket@...> wrote:
>
> Does a comprehensive list exist for current printers that allow you 
to choose "Black Only" 
> from the driver?
> 
> I'd like an inexpensive machine that allows for this. I'd use it with 
MIS Eboni Black ink.
>

 



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i am using the inks from MIS, and to be truthful, it has been a few months since i have been printing anthing using that printer, and so i am not sure ; but i don't remember using the function black ink only.
   
  I basically used Paul's "numbers" for the papers on his website. 
   
  sorry i can't be more helpful.
   
  ann

Kevin <vinket@...> wrote:
          thanks Paul and Ann

Ann, are you printing Black Only and with MIS Eboni Black?

Also, do you actually get to click on "Black Ink Only" from the 
driver in the setup?

I think it's worth stating again that I got very good results from 
the Epson 1280. But it's long gone now. I'd like the same results 
from a machine with a smaller footprint. I no longer print larger 
than 8.5x11.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, ann clancy 
<jaclancy1937@...> wrote:
>
> i have been using a c88+ one based on the recommendations from 
this site along with the help from Paul's website. I had none of 
the problems Paul mentions. Perhaps it is beginners luck.
> 
> ann
> Paul Roark <paul.roark@...> wrote:
> Yes, the C88 does black only, but the quality can be 
rather bad. It may
> depend on the individual printer, but on mine it was not what I 
consider
> photo quality - banding as well as too rough.
> 
> Paul
> 
> www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/> 
> 
> _____ 
> 
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:59 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Epson Stylus C88+
> 
> Can anyone tell me if subject printer does Black Only printing?
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhit
> <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
> eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" 
> <vinket@> wrote:
> >
> > Does a comprehensive list exist for current printers that allow 
you 
> to choose "Black Only" 
> > from the driver?
> > 
> > I'd like an inexpensive machine that allows for this. I'd use it 
with 
> MIS Eboni Black ink.
> >
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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I have a C88+ and just made three black-only prints on Photo Rag for a 
print exchange. They came out great -- no banding at all. I am using the 
Epson OEM inks.

For what it's worth, on the C86 I used to own, I found that the stock 
Epson inks gave me good BO results, while the MIS Eboni ink in the K 
position gave a lot of banding.

On that topic, does anyone know if MIS makes an ink that is close in 
properties to Epson's OEM black ink?

Jordan


Kevin wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me if subject printer does Black Only printing?
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>, "Kevin"
> <vinket@...> wrote:
> >
> > Does a comprehensive list exist for current printers that allow you
> to choose "Black Only"
> > from the driver?
> >
> > I'd like an inexpensive machine that allows for this. I'd use it with
> MIS Eboni Black ink.
> >
>
>  

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Jordan Wosnick
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