Digital BW, The Print

AKA Premier Luster Rag 285. Anyone used this paper? How does it compare 
with Silver Rag or the similar offerings from Hahnem�hle or Innova?

Thx
Dario

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "met.graphix" 
<metgraphix@...> wrote:
>
> AKA Premier Luster Rag 285. Anyone used this paper? How does it 
compare 
> with Silver Rag or the similar offerings from Hahnemühle or Innova?
> 
> Thx
> Dario
>

See: http://www.inkjetbuzz.com/tips/2007-01-26.html 

It is a good luster alternative if you want to avoid switching from MK 
to PK.

If you are on PK, something such as Ilford Smooth Pearl would probably 
do better from a Dmax and price basis, though it would not be cotton.

John

Hi Dario:

I find it to have a very beautiful off-white semi-gloss to matte  
surface with a unique look. It's substantial in weight and as John  
says, it requires matte black in my opinion.

I wrote an article here where I described it in greater depth, as  
well as a few similar "Fiber Gloss/Semi-gloss" papers: <http:// 
tinyurl.com/2oxw8z>

All the best,

Andrew Darlow

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Andrew Darlow
Editor, The Imaging Buffet
http://www.imagingbuffet.com




On Sep 12, 2007, at 2:59 PM, jrschwaller wrote:

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "met.graphix"
> <metgraphix@...> wrote:
> >
> > AKA Premier Luster Rag 285. Anyone used this paper? How does it
> compare
> > with Silver Rag or the similar offerings from Hahnemühle or Innova?
> >
> > Thx
> > Dario
> >
>
> See: http://www.inkjetbuzz.com/tips/2007-01-26.html
>
> It is a good luster alternative if you want to avoid switching from MK
> to PK.
>
> If you are on PK, something such as Ilford Smooth Pearl would probably
> do better from a Dmax and price basis, though it would not be cotton.
>
> John
>
>
>







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At 07:15 AM Thursday 9/13/2007, you wrote:
>I wrote an article here where I described it in greater depth, as 
>well as a few similar "Fiber Gloss/Semi-gloss" papers: <http:// 
>tinyurl.com/2oxw8z>

I tried the link but it didn't work - can you send the full url please?

I wondered how that paper went with K2 UltraChrome inks. 

thanks,
Richard 
--
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http://photos.smallfield.vze.com (Photos web site)
http://warkworth.vze.com/ (Warkworth photo essay)
http://picasaweb.google.com/rsmallfield/ (Recent work) 

   "Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment 
   for economists."
   --John Kenneth Galbraith

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard 
Smallfield <r.smallfield@...> wrote:
>
> At 07:15 AM Thursday 9/13/2007, you wrote:
> >I wrote an article here where I described it in greater depth, as 
> >well as a few similar "Fiber Gloss/Semi-gloss" papers: <http:// 
> >tinyurl.com/2oxw8z>
> 
> I tried the link but it didn't work - can you send the full url 
please?
> 
> I wondered how that paper went with K2 UltraChrome inks. 
> 
> thanks,
> Richard 
> --
> http://smallfield.vze.com
> http://photos.smallfield.vze.com (Photos web site)
> http://warkworth.vze.com/ (Warkworth photo essay)
> http://picasaweb.google.com/rsmallfield/ (Recent work) 
> 
>    "Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment 
>    for economists."
>    --John Kenneth Galbraith
>


The 'tiny' link works, you just have to take out the '>'
http://tinyurl.com/2oxw8z


It resolves to:
http://www.pdnonline.com/pdn/cp/olympus/technology/article_display.jsp
?vnu_content_id=1003563026

John

I just made a QTR Black Only profile for Platinum for the R260 (which is
looking very good now, by the way).  After doing a number of these profiles,
most papers begin to look alike.  However, this one is different.  The
non-OBA paper has a relatively warmer tone -- Lab B = 2.  The tonal response
curve for the MIS 260 PKN I'm profiling is different than most (this will
change with paper). But most unusual is the load of ink this paper can take.
Usually I'm getting a dmax of density 2.4 plus or minus 0.5 with a QTR ink
load of 65% to 85%.  With Platinum the dmax is still on an increasing slope
at 100% load, hitting about density 2.25.  In short, it appears to be able
to take an enormous load of ink.  It'll probably take a rip and setup with
multiple black inks to reach the ultimate dmax for this paper. 

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> I just made a QTR Black Only profile for Platinum for the R260 ...

Paul,

Using MIS ebony black I assume?

Dario

I use photo black with Premier Art Platinum.  It's, in effect, in the
category of the "new technology" "glossy" papers like Crane Silver Rag.
With a new formula (not yet public from MIS) 260 PKN2 for the R260 I'm
getting about a 2.25 dmax and a tonal distribution that has a Lab B that is
about equal to the paper (Lab B=2) and then at about 50% starts into a
straight line slope to a 100% black at Lab B = -2.  Some would say this is
close to a lightly selenium toned silver print.  The paper has a fine,
almost canvass like texture.  With the 260 and QTR in black only mode, the
paper makes a very nice display for those who like a bit of paper texture.
(The QTR version that supports the 260 is in beta now.  The 260 Epson driver
does not support Black Only.  For the Epson drive I've made a full
R2-replacment set.  This is also in beta now.)

 

(I found Eboni smeared.)

 

Hope this helps.

 

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  

 

 

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Subject: [Digital BW] Re: PremierArt Platinum Rag: anyone familiar?

 

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eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> I just made a QTR Black Only profile for Platinum for the R260 ...

Paul,

Using MIS ebony black I assume?

Dario

 



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Paul....

Interesting you are getting such good results with PK.  I have only 
been using with MK and getting very pleasing results.

The article I posted earlier said that MK gave better results vs. 
PK.  http://www.inkjetbuzz.com/tips/2007-01-26.html 

John


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> I use photo black with Premier Art Platinum.  It's, in effect, in 
the
> category of the "new technology" "glossy" papers like Crane Silver 
Rag.
> With a new formula (not yet public from MIS) 260 PKN2 for the R260 
I'm
> getting about a 2.25 dmax and a tonal distribution that has a Lab B 
that is
> about equal to the paper (Lab B=2) and then at about 50% starts 
into a
> straight line slope to a 100% black at Lab B = -2.  Some would say 
this is
> close to a lightly selenium toned silver print.  The paper has a 
fine,
> almost canvass like texture.  With the 260 and QTR in black only 
mode, the
> paper makes a very nice display for those who like a bit of paper 
texture.
> (The QTR version that supports the 260 is in beta now.  The 260 
Epson driver
> does not support Black Only.  For the Epson drive I've made a full
> R2-replacment set.  This is also in beta now.)
> 
>  
> 
> (I found Eboni smeared.)
> 
>  
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
>  
> 
> Paul
> 
> www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
viafasin7

> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 1:29 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: PremierArt Platinum Rag: anyone familiar?
> 
>  
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhit
> <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
> eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@> wrote:
> >
> > I just made a QTR Black Only profile for Platinum for the R260 ...
> 
> Paul,
> 
> Using MIS ebony black I assume?
> 
> Dario
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

With this and other similar paper, maybe there is a difference between the
black inks used.  With MIS Eboni I do not get results that are similar to
what is reported in the article cited below, which used Epson UC K3 MK, I
believe.

 

Platinum achieves a dmax 1.7 with Eboni and QTR delivering a huge (puddling)
load at 100%.  All the loads below that are lower.  The ink smears at every
density, and there is a bad gloss differential - what some call "dusting."
I know some like the look of a matte black with pearl type midtone finish,
but I don't.

 

I agree that Platinum does not have an impressive dmax with PK and the Epson
driver.  This paper has an enormous ink capacity that can't be dealt with
adequately with any Epson built-in profile.

 

The best results I've seen are with QTR.  I have profiled it for QTR in
Black Only mode with the 260 and the PKN that I hope MIS will produce.
There the 100% QTR load turns Platinum into an excellent B&W output - with
the 260 1.5 pl dots being almost totally hidden by the Platinum paper's
slightly textured surface.  I can see this paper being very popular with
this type of use.  (But I definitely do not recommend Platinum or any other
"glossy" type paper for printing with Eboni.)

 

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  

 

 

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jrschwaller
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 5:48 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: PremierArt Platinum Rag: anyone familiar?

 

Paul....

Interesting you are getting such good results with PK. I have only 
been using with MK and getting very pleasing results.

The article I posted earlier said that MK gave better results vs. 
PK. http://www.inkjetbu <http://www.inkjetbuzz.com/tips/2007-01-26.html>
zz.com/tips/2007-01-26.html 

John

--- In DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> I use photo black with Premier Art Platinum. It's, in effect, in 
the
> category of the "new technology" "glossy" papers like Crane Silver 
Rag.
> With a new formula (not yet public from MIS) 260 PKN2 for the R260 
I'm
> getting about a 2.25 dmax and a tonal distribution that has a Lab B 
that is
> about equal to the paper (Lab B=2) and then at about 50% starts 
into a
> straight line slope to a 100% black at Lab B = -2. Some would say 
this is
> close to a lightly selenium toned silver print. The paper has a 
fine,
> almost canvass like texture. With the 260 and QTR in black only 
mode, the
> paper makes a very nice display for those who like a bit of paper 
texture.
> (The QTR version that supports the 260 is in beta now. The 260 
Epson driver
> does not support Black Only. For the Epson drive I've made a full
> R2-replacment set. This is also in beta now.)
> 
> 
> 
> (I found Eboni smeared.)
> 
> 
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> 
> 
> Paul
> 
> www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroar <http://www.paulroark.com/> k.com/>

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _____ 
> 
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eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhit
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> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 1:29 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: PremierArt Platinum Rag: anyone familiar?
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhit
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> eThePrint@yahoogrou <mailto:eThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com, "Paul
Roark"
> <paul.roark@> wrote:
> >
> > I just made a QTR Black Only profile for Platinum for the R260 ...
> 
> Paul,
> 
> Using MIS ebony black I assume?
> 
> Dario
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 



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