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Has anyone had success refilling Epson's OEM carts?  I've read about a
one way valve in them, probably to prevent refilling.  Is this the
case?    If we can get past the valve, we can use Epson's carts to bet
them at their own game!

Bob

I guess that it depends what printer you have. I used to refill the carts
for my 1280. It's not all that difficult but can be messy if you're not
careful and you can also cross contaminate too. Then there is the issue of
resetting the chips. If you're refilling the carts with the sponge you have
issues of air in the sponge and the sponge deteriorating over time. I have
found a CIS with spongeless carts to be the best solution.

 

Best,

Tom

 

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Marsolais
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 1:30 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Refilling Epson OEM carts

 

Has anyone had success refilling Epson's OEM carts? I've read about a
one way valve in them, probably to prevent refilling. Is this the
case? If we can get past the valve, we can use Epson's carts to bet
them at their own game!

Bob 

 



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Another passing thought, one harking back to when most printers were just 
B&W for document printing. Then, I could buy refill kits that included a 
little drill bit with a moulded plastic gripper part and a rubber stopper / 
bung. The idea was that you drilled a hole in the top of the cartridge, 
refilled it with ink from the large bottle, and then sealed the hole with 
the stopper. The stopper could then be easily removed when the cart was 
empty and ready for refilling again. Even a small self tapping screw and 
plastic washer would suffice to hold when used on pressurised carts, surely?

Tony Wells.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Marsolais" <bob@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 6:29 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Refilling Epson OEM carts


Has anyone had success refilling Epson's OEM carts?  I've read about a
one way valve in them, probably to prevent refilling.  Is this the
case?    If we can get past the valve, we can use Epson's carts to bet
them at their own game!

Bob

In a message dated 11/10/2007 1:34:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
bob@... writes:

Has  anyone had success refilling Epson's OEM carts?  I've read about a
one  way valve in them, probably to prevent refilling.  Is this  the
case?    If we can get past the valve, we can use Epson's  carts to bet
them at their own game!

Bob  



That is exactly what I have been doing. MIS sells a syringe refilling kit  
for the 110ml/220ml cartridges , that introduces ink through the valve, back  
into the cartridges. You can then use whatever brand of OEM equivalent inks you  
choose.
 
Richard Massie



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I use the MIS EZ inks in C84 and C88 printers - one with a CIS, one with 
(MIS refillable) carts.  I have a few spares, and bought a spare CIS 
last week, just in case.  But the Epson brand carts of this size have an 
incredibly convoluted series of chambers and pathways inside designed 
(at least in part) to prevent refilling.  There is no direct path to the 
inner ink chamber from one of the edges.  The only access would be 
through the sides, one of which is covered in foil that (I gather) 
cannot be resealed if punctured.  So in essence, the Epson brand carts 
of this size (and design) are not refillable.

Cheers
Kip

Tony Wells wrote:
>
> Another passing thought, one harking back to when most printers were just
> B&W for document printing. Then, I could buy refill kits that included a
> little drill bit with a moulded plastic gripper part and a rubber 
> stopper /
> bung. The idea was that you drilled a hole in the top of the cartridge,
> refilled it with ink from the large bottle, and then sealed the hole with
> the stopper. The stopper could then be easily removed when the cart was
> empty and ready for refilling again. Even a small self tapping screw and
> plastic washer would suffice to hold when used on pressurised carts, 
> surely?
>
> Tony Wells.
>
>
>
>  


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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, CorrPro96@... wrote:
>

> That is exactly what I have been doing. MIS sells a syringe
refilling > kit for the 110ml/220ml cartridges , that introduces ink
through the
> valve, back into the cartridges. You can then use whatever brand of
> OEM equivalent inks you choose.
>  
> Richard Massie
> 
I should have been a bit more specific.  I have a 1280 and R220 and am
considering an 1800.  Note the the C82, C84, C86, 220, 240, R800,
R1800, 2400 and others all use the same cartridge and sometimes
different chips, depending on the printer.  Refilling the OEM 1280
carts is no issue except for sponge becoming clogged with air bubbles
over time.  The spongeless carts are the best solution for that. 
That's what I do for my 1280.

However, I am thinking about carts that can be used in the more recent
printers such as the 1800, 2400, etc.  The methods used to refill
these could also probably be used to fill carts for the 1900 and the
2400's replacement when it is announced.

I have tried refilling these carts and have had some limited success.
 You can't just inject ink backwards using MIS's bottom fill adaptors.
 Very little ink gets in.  That is where the (assumed) one way valve
comes in.  When that didn't work, I took one apart and saw all the
chambers and canals Epson put into them to confuse us.  It's really
kind of fun to figure it out.  From this experience, I figured out
where to drill a hole and what angle to insert the needle to inject
ink.  This worked  pretty good, but didn't allow me to completely fill
the cart.  I used instant gasket to seal the hole between refills.

While I was fooling around with this approach, I can across this group
and MIS's refillable carts.  Because of the ease of using MIS's carts,
I stopped my experiments refilling OEM carts.

However, it seems like it may be time to resurrect my past notes and
photos of what I did and continue the pursuit.

And so the question I should have asked is has nyone been able to
successfully refill the 220/240/R1800/R2400 OEM carts?  What have you
learned along the way?

Also, if anyone has some empty OEM carts of this variety that they
about to throw out, send them to me.  What I learn I'll post.  Epson
can't take me to court over that, can they?  (Not that they wouldn't
threaten me!)

Hi Bob,

>... am considering an 1800. Note the C82, C84, C86, 220, 
>240, R800, R1800, 2400 and others all use the same cartridge ...

(Not the C82.  It and the 2200 are use the same carts.)

But the others are, on average, very good, easily refillable, clear carts.
I think I have a stash of then that should last a number of years, even if I
have to pull old ink out of some (might do that now and replace with
distilled water, in fact).

...

>And so the question I should have asked is has anyone been 
>able to successfully refill the 220/240/R1800/R2400 OEM carts? 

Daniel Staver on this list had a system to do this, I believe.  If he's not
reading this thread, you might want to search the archives of this forum
with his name and other appropriate search terms.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Hi Paul,
 
> (Not the C82.  It and the 2200 are use the same carts.)
> 

You are correct.  Thank you!

> But the others are, on average, very good, easily refillable, clear
> carts. I think I have a stash of then that should last a number of
> years....
 
So do I and I just ordered a few more to let all the dust settle.

The intent of my question was to see if the OEM carts can be refilled
easily in case the off shore supply of third party refillable carts
dries up as well.  I've heard that that U.S. Customs might be called
on to stop shipments from known off shore suppliers of third party
carts if Epson prevails.  If that is the case, then Canada and Hong
Kong might be hard for some to access.

> Daniel Staver on this list had a system to do this, I believe...

Thanks for the lead.  I look him up.

Bob

Ah well, another bright idea down the tubes, hence CIS's no doubt! :-(

Tony.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kip Babington" <cbabing3@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Refilling Epson OEM carts


I use the MIS EZ inks in C84 and C88 printers - one with a CIS, one with 
(MIS refillable) carts.  I have a few spares, and bought a spare CIS 
last week, just in case.  But the Epson brand carts of this size have an 
incredibly convoluted series of chambers and pathways inside designed 
(at least in part) to prevent refilling.  There is no direct path to the 
inner ink chamber from one of the edges.  The only access would be 
through the sides, one of which is covered in foil that (I gather) 
cannot be resealed if punctured.  So in essence, the Epson brand carts 
of this size (and design) are not refillable.

Cheers
Kip

Tony Wells wrote:

>
> Another passing thought, one harking back to when most printers were just
> B&W for document printing. Then, I could buy refill kits that included a
> little drill bit with a moulded plastic gripper part and a rubber 
> stopper /
> bung. The idea was that you drilled a hole in the top of the cartridge,
> refilled it with ink from the large bottle, and then sealed the hole with
> the stopper. The stopper could then be easily removed when the cart was
> empty and ready for refilling again. Even a small self tapping screw and
> plastic washer would suffice to hold when used on pressurised carts, 
> surely?
>
> Tony Wells.
>

>So in essence, the Epson brand carts
>of this size (and design) are not refillable.

They are!! Have a look at this website which gives all the details for a 
2200/2100 cart. I don't think the others are much different.

http://www.anestoday.com/epson2200/anatomy.htm

Bob Frost.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Wells" <oaksfield@...>


Ah well, another bright idea down the tubes, hence CIS's no doubt! :-(

Oops. The link for refilling them is 
http://www.anestoday.com/epson2200/replete1.htm, but all the pages are worth 
reading.

Bob Frost.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Frost" <bob@...>


>So in essence, the Epson brand carts
>of this size (and design) are not refillable.

They are!! Have a look at this website which gives all the details for a
2200/2100 cart. I don't think the others are much different.

http://www.anestoday.com/epson2200/anatomy.htm

Still need to remove the comma from the link. 

 

It's best to just hit a enter/return after entering a link format to ensure
no extra characters get into play. 

 

 

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Frost
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 7:12 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Refilling Epson OEM carts

 

Oops. The link for refilling them is 
http://www.anestoda <http://www.anestoday.com/epson2200/replete1.htm,>
y.com/epson2200/replete1.htm, but all the pages are worth 
reading.

Bob Frost.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Frost" <bob@... <mailto:bob%40frost.name> >

>So in essence, the Epson brand carts
>of this size (and design) are not refillable.

They are!! Have a look at this website which gives all the details for a
2200/2100 cart. I don't think the others are much different.

http://www.anestoda <http://www.anestoday.com/epson2200/anatomy.htm>
y.com/epson2200/anatomy.htm

 



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Very interesting. It might eventually lead to cost
savings and reduction of garbage, but the upfront cost
of large OEM purchases is daunting. And in the end,
it's still Epson pigment...good, but not "better" than
the standard carts.

The main goal of refilling is cheapness. I wish there
were new generations of MIS/Piezo B&W that made the
effort worthwhile visually. 
 
I don't prioritize cheapness: I want clog-free inks
that look like MIS/Piezo, but with Epson's clog-free
performance. 

(somebody's going to say Epson pigs clog, but in years
of previous 2200 posts here and elsewhere, the
complaints were nearly 100% about 3rd party, not OEM).

MANY would pay a PREMIUM for B&W inksets with Epson's
far-superior reliability and Eboni/MIS looks. They
ALREADY PAY A HUGE PREMIUM for superior paper.  

I hope MIS/Piezo use whatever money they've wisely put
aside for research/redesign, NOT FOR LAWYERS or
workaround-marketing to save the current products.

> MANY would pay a PREMIUM for B&W inksets with Epson's
> far-superior reliability and Eboni/MIS looks. They
> ALREADY PAY A HUGE PREMIUM for superior paper.  
> 
> I hope MIS/Piezo use whatever money they've wisely put
> aside for research/redesign, NOT FOR LAWYERS or
> workaround-marketing to save the current products.
>

I agree improved ink quality and consistency would be worth investing 
in.  
However without a mechanism to use those new inks in current printers 
it would be in vain, so I hope MIS and Piezo put money into legal 
cartridges as well.