On Nov 10, 2007, at 12:13 PM, Eric Neilsen wrote:
> Mark, I have heard about a new attempt that might be implemented by
> Epson.
> Similar to how you can track a computer, either just the HD or the
> processor
> #, Epson will track the carts by id. When that cart has been used
> up, no
> amount of re chipping will allow it to show ink again.
>
>
>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>> Mark
>> Savoia
>> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 10:41 AM
>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re:MIS Newsletter
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>> With all the software hacking and computer viruses in this world,
>> does anyone think that a "firmware solution" will be created by a
>> smart programer to trick the Epsons into thinking their carts are in
>> the printer and thus allow the third party ink/cart makers to make
>> some cart/chip that does not infringe on Epson? Fight fire with fire?
>> It would certainly take years for Epson to get around that. Perhaps a
>> CIS that connects directly into the ink lines, no carts at all.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Nov 10, 2007, at 11:26 AM, Paul Roark wrote:
>>
>>> (Some rambling thoughts ...)
>>>
>>> Steve Kale wrote, in part:
>>>
>>>>> What¹s wrong with a company (anyone) wanting to protect and
>>>>> generate a return from its intellectual capital?
>>>
>>> That's indirectly one of the legal issues: How far does the
>>> protection
>>> (legal monopoly) extend? Several courts have stated that the
>>> monopoly does
>>> not extend into adjacent markets, including after market
>>> replacement parts,
>>> which seems similar to aftermarket ink sales.
>>>
>>>>> Nothing wrong with shopping around for a free lunch but
>>>>> you should be happy you had a free lunch this far.
>>>
>>> I don't want to see Epson damaged by this any more than I want to
>>> see the
>>> aftermarket ink and cartridge sellers damaged. I think the
>>> challenge here
>>> is to come up with a win-win strategy. I agree we should not expect
>>> to free
>>> ride on anyone, and at the low end we probably have been.
>>>
>>> Being realistic, what may happen is that Epson's actions will cut
>>> off the
>>> mass market of cheap, pre-filled carts, while more sophisticated and
>>> determined people -- including probably the real photo
>>> enthusiasts as
>>> opposed to average snap shooters -- will find ways to circumvent the
>>> problem, such as buying the empty carts on eBay or from an oversees
>>> seller
>>> and re-filling. Re-filling carts seems like a problem Epson will
>>> have to
>>> fight by making the carts very re-fill un-friendly. Blocking all
>>> the
>>> easy-refill carts from overseas will probably be too expensive to
>>> bother
>>> with.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tony Wells wrote, in part:
>>>
>>>> ... Low useage amateurs would be worse off while professional
>>>> printers would be better off,
>>>
>>> In the original IBM case where their tying of punch card sales to
>>> the
>>> business machines was declared an illegal "tying" agreement, the
>>> economic
>>> justification for the IBM conduct was said to be that the punch
>>> cards were a
>>> method of "metering" usage. The way the high volume users paid
>>> more than
>>> the low volume users, which seemed like a fair way to more closely
>>> equate
>>> price with the value of the machine to the user.
>>>
>>> If the scenario of the more sophisticated people more easily
>>> getting around
>>> the ban happens, it may end up that the higher volume users in the
>>> real
>>> world figure out how to avoid the meter, while the less
>>> sophisticated pay
>>> the premium.
>>>
>>> I have assumed Epson, in fact, is not selling the more sophisticated
>>> machines at a loss. The Epson rep who visited me the week before
>>> they filed
>>> the ITC matter seemed mostly concerned with the low end. The 220
>>> was the
>>> printer we discussed the most in this regard. He stated Epson lost
>>> money on
>>> those sales, and to compound the damage, the 220 was so good it was
>>> seen as
>>> cannibalizing the sales of the profitable, more expensive printers.
>>>
>>> While B&W ink sales are hardly the main focus of Epson's concern,
>>> I'd be
>>> rather happy to see a solution that allowed Epson to compete head
>>> to head
>>> with the others that are doing this same thing at the 260 level
>>> (letter or
>>> A4 size) if the 13" or 1800-2400 and up level was wide open.
>>>
>>> Epson has made some fine printers for our purposes. I hope they
>>> continue to
>>> do so. It would sure be nice if both sides saw each other as
>>> partners as
>>> opposed to adversaries.
>>>
>>> As a Hasselblad rep once said to me: photographers tend to be
>>> creative and
>>> cheap. I can't see Epson succeeding in keeping at least the B&W
>>> enthusiasts
>>> in their proprietary, expensive box. It's just not going to happen.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>> www.PaulRoark.com
>>>
>>>
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