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paper bases- rant

2008-02-04 by Tyler Boley

since I've been experimenting a lot with these new baryta and gloss
papers, both with UCK3s, and the new Selenium MPS set, a few things
have become very obvious.
We've been out of the darkroom for so long now we've become acclimated
to some new trends, not seeing the forest through the trees.
These new papers are all seriously blue, I've mentioned it before.
Many won't mind this, but to me it manifests itself in B&W prints that
are not harmonious throughout the scale, and color prints that lack
richness and subtlety in bright warm colors. 
Just to get my bearings I dug up a lot of old prints last night, Azo,
Brilliant, Seagull, Portriga, Kodabromide, Gallery, and many were matted.
Except for Gold Fiber Silk (and probably Silver Rag, but I have none)
they were far bluer than any of these old prints. Even GFS was
visually no warmer than Oriental Seagull, but it was brighter. There
was a serious disconnect between them and any matte board I have here,
even the Ilford was brighter though the hue ok.
Interestingly, the Gold Fiber Silk is described in all the on line
reviews by users as very warm. In fact it's neutral.
I don't think we should be trying to imitate those old materials, but
they have a look that we have responded to positively over many
decades, while at the same time many consider these new products a bit
unconvincing, seeming to lack "beauty", that illusive something extra.
I'm becoming more and more convinced this quality is part of the
problem. Also, since it is obviously connected to the questionable use
of a lot of OBAs, it would be nice to see this trend tamed
considerably. I've said in the past I have no big problem with OBAs,
but now it just ain't pretty...
OK, back to work.
Tyler

Re: [Digital BW] paper bases- rant

2008-02-04 by BKPhoto@aol.com

Tyler-

I feel your pain. I know you've consider this, but I just believe its a 
mistake to literally compare any one media against another. Nothing new 
about that opinion; but I do find it interesting that people relentless 
compare inkjet to other media--especially silver gelatin--in a manner 
that is almost entirely absence otherwise. No one expects a silver 
gelatin to look like a platinum/palladium, for example; well, expect 
for the photographers who got caught in that transition (they all 
thought silver gelatin was cheap and "hard" looking).

Some of the OBA (supposedly) overuse reminds me of silver gelatin 
printers who used the Spring Brightener (I think that was the name of 
the product) back in the day. Talk about blue whites!

Bill Kennedy
K2 Press
Austin, Texas
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Subject: [Digital BW] paper bases- rant






since I've been experimenting a lot with these new baryta and gloss

papers, both with UCK3s, and the new Selenium MPS set, a few things

have become very obvious.

We've been out of the darkroom for so long now we've become acclimated

to some new trends, not seeing the forest through the trees.

These new papers are all seriously blue, I've mentioned it before.

Many won't mind this, but to me it manifests itself in B&W prints that

are not harmonious throughout the scale, and color prints that lack

richness and subtlety in bright warm colors.

Just to get my bearings I dug up a lot of old prints last night, Azo,

Brilliant, Seagull, Portriga, Kodabromide, Gallery, and many were 
matted.

Except for Gold Fiber Silk (and probably Silver Rag, but I have none)

they were far bluer than any of these old prints. Even GFS was

visually no warmer than Oriental Seagull, but it was brighter. There

was a serious disconnect between them and any matte board I have here,

even the Ilford was brighter though the hue ok.

Interestingly, the Gold Fiber Silk is described in all the on line

reviews by users as very warm. In fact it's neutral.

I don't think we should be trying to imitate those old materials, but

they have a look that we have responded to positively over many

decades, while at the same time many consider these new products a bit

unconvincing, seeming to lack "beauty", that illusive something extra.

I'm becoming more and more convinced this quality is part of the

problem. Also, since it is obviously connected to the questionable use

of a lot of OBAs, it would be nice to see this trend tamed

considerably. I've said in the past I have no big problem with OBAs,

but now it just ain't pretty...

OK, back to work.

Tyler







    




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Re: [Digital BW] paper bases- rant

2008-02-04 by Tyler Boley

Wow, I remember that Spring stuff, now that you mention it.
I agree on all counts, it was just a revelation to compare side by
side. Additionally, I have an diificult image that's been used for
profile tests, a banana leaf with lots of saturated, but very light,
yellow, green, and orange. On PhotoRag it's beautiful. On Premium
Luster and other photo papers, with a clearly larger gamut, those
bright warm colors just die in the near whites, they just go gray.
Gotta be the OBAs/blue base, gotta be.

I don't need this stuff to match any prior materials, just need it to
be purdy.
Tyler


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> Tyler-
> 
> I feel your pain. I know you've consider this, but I just believe its a 
> mistake to literally compare any one media against another. Nothing new 
> about that opinion; but I do find it interesting that people relentless 
> compare inkjet to other media--especially silver gelatin--in a manner 
> that is almost entirely absence otherwise. No one expects a silver 
> gelatin to look like a platinum/palladium, for example; well, expect 
> for the photographers who got caught in that transition (they all 
> thought silver gelatin was cheap and "hard" looking).
> 
> Some of the OBA (supposedly) overuse reminds me of silver gelatin 
> printers who used the Spring Brightener (I think that was the name of 
> the product) back in the day. Talk about blue whites!
> 
> Bill Kennedy
> K2 Press
> Austin, Texas
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tyler Boley <tyler@...>
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 5:12 pm
> Subject: [Digital BW] paper bases- rant
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> since I've been experimenting a lot with these new baryta and gloss
> 
> papers, both with UCK3s, and the new Selenium MPS set, a few things
> 
> have become very obvious.
> 
> We've been out of the darkroom for so long now we've become acclimated
> 
> to some new trends, not seeing the forest through the trees.
> 
> These new papers are all seriously blue, I've mentioned it before.
> 
> Many won't mind this, but to me it manifests itself in B&W prints that
> 
> are not harmonious throughout the scale, and color prints that lack
> 
> richness and subtlety in bright warm colors.
> 
> Just to get my bearings I dug up a lot of old prints last night, Azo,
> 
> Brilliant, Seagull, Portriga, Kodabromide, Gallery, and many were 
> matted.
> 
> Except for Gold Fiber Silk (and probably Silver Rag, but I have none)
> 
> they were far bluer than any of these old prints. Even GFS was
> 
> visually no warmer than Oriental Seagull, but it was brighter. There
> 
> was a serious disconnect between them and any matte board I have here,
> 
> even the Ilford was brighter though the hue ok.
> 
> Interestingly, the Gold Fiber Silk is described in all the on line
> 
> reviews by users as very warm. In fact it's neutral.
> 
> I don't think we should be trying to imitate those old materials, but
> 
> they have a look that we have responded to positively over many
> 
> decades, while at the same time many consider these new products a bit
> 
> unconvincing, seeming to lack "beauty", that illusive something extra.
> 
> I'm becoming more and more convinced this quality is part of the
> 
> problem. Also, since it is obviously connected to the questionable use
> 
> of a lot of OBAs, it would be nice to see this trend tamed
> 
> considerably. I've said in the past I have no big problem with OBAs,
> 
> but now it just ain't pretty...
> 
> OK, back to work.
> 
> Tyler
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] paper bases- rant

2008-02-04 by Scott Jones

Well I thought I would chime in on my own concern about mismatch 
between paper blue-whites and mat board's warmer tones (even so called 
bright white boards). When matting an image with a reveal around it and 
showing the paper base, this mismatch can look bad. Now I know this 
might sound a bit traditional, but I still am drymounting my trimmed 
images to the back mat board with a nice reveal showing that board all 
the way around. 3/8" sides and top and 1/2" bottom for the signature. 
The mismatch problem is therfore eliminated. The reveal is a nice 
detail to the finished job. For some reason the drymounting technique 
has gone out of favor, but it sure looks nice, avoids the paper reveal 
color problem, and makes that image so wonderfully nice and flat with 
no "ripple" visible anywhere. I still love this clean look. For those 
who wonder, I have never had any problems whatsoever in drymounting all 
sorts of inkjet prints. All the papers and inks seem to do just fine. I 
also use the Fusion 4000 product which is just the archival glue and 
not any paper substrate.

Just some thoughts on this topic....

http://www.scottjonesphoto.com

Re: [Digital BW] paper bases- rant

2008-02-05 by Bruce Watson

Tyler Boley wrote:
> I don't need this stuff to match any prior materials, just need it to
> be purdy.
>   
Exactly. What we want is for the final print to be "purdy." And blue 
papers, more often than not, just aren't very pretty.
--
Bruce Watson

Re: [Digital BW] paper bases- rant

2008-02-05 by Tyler Boley

sayeth the dude, they do not yet abide.

Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Watson
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>
> Tyler Boley wrote:
> > I don't need this stuff to match any prior materials, just need it to
> > be purdy.
> >   
> Exactly. What we want is for the final print to be "purdy." And blue 
> papers, more often than not, just aren't very pretty.
> --
> Bruce Watson
>

Re: [Digital BW] paper bases- rant

2008-02-05 by Sarah Renkes

that.....was funny.

Sarah


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> wrote:
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> sayeth the dude, they do not yet abide.
> 
> Tyler
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Watson
> <bwyg@> wrote:
> >
> > Tyler Boley wrote:
> > > I don't need this stuff to match any prior materials, just need it to
> > > be purdy.
> > >   
> > Exactly. What we want is for the final print to be "purdy." And blue 
> > papers, more often than not, just aren't very pretty.
> > --
> > Bruce Watson
> >
>

Re: [Digital BW] paper bases- rant

2008-02-05 by john dean

My blue prints are real purdy, just not the black and white ones.

john




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley"
<tyler@...> wrote:
>
> sayeth the dude, they do not yet abide.
> 
> Tyler
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Watson
> <bwyg@> wrote:
> >
> > Tyler Boley wrote:
> > > I don't need this stuff to match any prior materials, just need
it to
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> > > be purdy.
> > >   
> > Exactly. What we want is for the final print to be "purdy." And blue 
> > papers, more often than not, just aren't very pretty.
> > --
> > Bruce Watson
> >
>

Re: [Digital BW] paper bases- rant

2008-02-05 by john dean

Wow. I just printed two idential 44" x 15" prints just now, one on
Epson Premium Luster and the other on Innova Fiba Satin, fiber gloss.
Man, the Innova looks warm in the base in comparision! That is how
much oba is in the Epson rc papers. Hell. Wilhelm is giving them
excellent ratings... I just don't get it. These whiterners have got to
burn out in a major way in the next decade, wouldn't you think? It's
all realative, what cold white is..there ain't no standard anymore.


john



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean"
<deanwork2003@...> wrote:
>
> My blue prints are real purdy, just not the black and white ones.
> 
> john
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley"
> <tyler@> wrote:
> >
> > sayeth the dude, they do not yet abide.
> > 
> > Tyler
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Watson
> > <bwyg@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Tyler Boley wrote:
> > > > I don't need this stuff to match any prior materials, just need
> it to
> > > > be purdy.
> > > >   
> > > Exactly. What we want is for the final print to be "purdy." And
blue
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> > > papers, more often than not, just aren't very pretty.
> > > --
> > > Bruce Watson
> > >
> >
>

Re: [Digital BW] paper bases- rant

2008-02-05 by Tyler Boley

apparently too obscure...
not to mention OT
Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Sarah Renkes"
<sagaface@...> wrote:
>
> 
> that.....was funny.
> 
> Sarah
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley"
<tyler@> wrote:
> >
> > sayeth the dude, they do not yet abide.
> > 
> > Tyler
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Watson
> > <bwyg@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Tyler Boley wrote:
> > > > I don't need this stuff to match any prior materials, just
need it to
> > > > be purdy.
> > > >   
> > > Exactly. What we want is for the final print to be "purdy." And
blue
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> > > papers, more often than not, just aren't very pretty.
> > > --
> > > Bruce Watson
> > >
> >
>

Re: [Digital BW] paper bases- rant

2008-02-05 by Sarah Renkes

ah well. if only "OT" around here just meant a good laugh now and then. ;)

Sarah




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> wrote:
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> apparently too obscure...
> not to mention OT
> Tyler
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Sarah Renkes"
> <sagaface@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > that.....was funny.
> > 
> > Sarah
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley"
> <tyler@> wrote:
> > >
> > > sayeth the dude, they do not yet abide.
> > > 
> > > Tyler
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Watson
> > > <bwyg@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tyler Boley wrote:
> > > > > I don't need this stuff to match any prior materials, just
> need it to
> > > > > be purdy.
> > > > >   
> > > > Exactly. What we want is for the final print to be "purdy." And
> blue 
> > > > papers, more often than not, just aren't very pretty.
> > > > --
> > > > Bruce Watson
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [Digital BW] paper bases- rant

2008-02-05 by BKPhoto@aol.com

Oh, man. Not on the carpet!

Bill Kennedy
K2 Press
Austin, Texas
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apparently too obscure...

not to mention OT

Tyler



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.> wrote:

>

>

> that.....was funny.

>

> Sarah

>

>

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley"

 wrote:

> >

> > sayeth the dude, they do not yet abide.

> >

> > Tyler

> >

> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Watson

> >  wrote:

> > >

> > > Tyler Boley wrote:

> > > > I don't need this stuff to match any prior materials, just

need it to

> > > > be purdy.

> > > >

> > > Exactly. What we want is for the final print to be "purdy." And

blue

> > > papers, more often than not, just aren't very pretty.

> > > --

> > > Bruce Watson

> > >

> >

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Re: [Digital BW] paper bases- rant

2008-02-05 by Tyler Boley

this aggression will not stand, man..

I could do this for days.

Nice marmot.
Tyler

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> Oh, man. Not on the carpet!
> 
> Bill Kennedy
> K2 Press
> Austin, Texas
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tyler Boley <tyler@...>
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 9:54 pm
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] paper bases- rant
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> apparently too obscure...
> 
> not to mention OT
> 
> Tyler
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Sarah Renkes"
> 
> .> wrote:
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> >
> 
> >
> 
> > that.....was funny.
> 
> >
> 
> > Sarah
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley"
> 
>  wrote:
> 
> > >
> 
> > > sayeth the dude, they do not yet abide.
> 
> > >
> 
> > > Tyler
> 
> > >
> 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Watson
> 
> > >  wrote:
> 
> > > >
> 
> > > > Tyler Boley wrote:
> 
> > > > > I don't need this stuff to match any prior materials, just
> 
> need it to
> 
> > > > > be purdy.
> 
> > > > >
> 
> > > > Exactly. What we want is for the final print to be "purdy." And
> 
> blue
> 
> > > > papers, more often than not, just aren't very pretty.
> 
> > > > --
> 
> > > > Bruce Watson
> 
> > > >
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RE: [Digital BW] paper bases- rant

2008-02-05 by Eric Neilsen

I have no idea what you are talking about with the OT jokes here, but I do
get the paper blues man. Has the industry pushed it on consumer or is it a
reaction to consumer demand? Bill was mentioning the need not to compare Ink
jet to silver gelatin or PT/PD prints? Why not? That is where most of us
have come from spare a few that never knew the joy. This is the new toy in
the image box. I tried very hard lately to get across to some very digitally
minded soles that there still are a few of us that have working darkrooms. I
live in both worlds, but I think neither is as strong as it could be. Some
very nice silver gelatin papers and films have just gone away and soon some
nice ink jet papers will too, only to be replaced by the next generation of
papers. It will be a few years yet before you can walk out the door today
and know that when you walk in the studio tomorrow your favorite paper is
still available. And that your ink set that you spent hours upon hours
testing and tweaking is still flowing through your printer. Could it just be
another way to get you to have more stuff?  ( see link below) 

 

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this aggression will not stand, man..

I could do this for days.

Nice marmot.
Tyler

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> Oh, man. Not on the carpet!
> 
> Bill Kennedy
> K2 Press
> Austin, Texas
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tyler Boley <tyler@...>
> To: DigitalBlackandWhit
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> Sent: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 9:54 pm
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] paper bases- rant
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> apparently too obscure...
> 
> not to mention OT
> 
> Tyler
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhit
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eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Sarah Renkes"
> 
> .> wrote:
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> >
> 
> >
> 
> > that.....was funny.
> 
> >
> 
> > Sarah
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhit
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eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley"
> 
> wrote:
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> > >
> 
> > > sayeth the dude, they do not yet abide.
> 
> > >
> 
> > > Tyler
> 
> > >
> 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhit
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eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Watson
> 
> > > wrote:
> 
> > > >
> 
> > > > Tyler Boley wrote:
> 
> > > > > I don't need this stuff to match any prior materials, just
> 
> need it to
> 
> > > > > be purdy.
> 
> > > > >
> 
> > > > Exactly. What we want is for the final print to be "purdy." And
> 
> blue
> 
> > > > papers, more often than not, just aren't very pretty.
> 
> > > > --
> 
> > > > Bruce Watson
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] paper bases- rant

2008-02-05 by David Emerick

Big Lebowski, dude.

Back to my White Russian with no OBA's!

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I have no idea what you are talking about with the OT jokes here, but I do
get the paper blues man.

RE: [Digital BW] paper bases- rant

2008-02-05 by Eric Neilsen

OK, I did see it, but much like the first time I saw Eraser Head I had too
much print enhancer  in the system to allow for long term memory to form
from watching it; just the over all impression.

 

Thanks 

 

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Big Lebowski, dude.

Back to my White Russian with no OBA's!

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Re: [Digital BW] paper bases- rant

2008-02-05 by Sarah Renkes

careful....those print enhancer flashbacks can last for days.

Sarah



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> OK, I did see it, but much like the first time I saw Eraser Head I had too
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> 4101 Commerce Street
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> http://e.neilsen.home.att.net
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> http://ericneilsenphotography.com
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> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David
> Emerick
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:40 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
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> D A V I D E M E R I C K
> Digital Media Specialist
> St. Mary's College of Maryland
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Re: [Digital BW] paper bases- rant

2008-02-05 by CDTobie@aol.com

In a message dated 2/4/08 6:12:38 PM, tyler@... writes:


> These new papers are all seriously blue
> 

Yes, I've noted that the ones I've printed on lean towards "brightened" as 
well. One more reason I still prefer matte art papers. Certainly it takes a 
different paper base to produce these papers, and the fine art cotton fiber base 
has to be calendared heavily, so that fibers won't be raised under the gel-like 
coating. This means the papers are thinner and stiffer. But it does not 
account for them being bluer. 

Surface coated matte art papers take their whiteness from the coating, not 
the substrate. The gloss papers, while invisible whitening agents can also be 
added to the coating, typically get their whiteness/blueness function from the 
base. It seems some manfacturers feel their coatings are a bit yellow, and try 
to compensate for that by having the bases be a bit blue... a less ideal 
solution than getting both to be neutral, so that neither has to be artificially 
whitened/brightened.

C. David Tobie
WW Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor
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Re: paper bases- rant

2008-02-06 by davidjharris_2000

I believe that Harman is planning to release a warmtone version of 
their Gloss FB Al paper - according to the website it will be released 
at Focus on Imaging in the UK later this month. Lets hope its as warm 
as their Matt FB Warmtone paper, which is much warmer than the non-
warmtone version.

Dave

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