Digital BW, The Print

It'd be interesting to see bronzing comparisons between b9180 and 2400
with a half dozen different-brand glossy papers. Bronze ranges from
LOTS of to virtually none, depending on brand, with 2200 and
OEM..don't know about 2400.

http://www.inkjetart.com/hp/B9180/index.html

There seem to be no current rumors of a Z-series 13" , like HP2100 and
HP3100...anybody heard any recently?

djon43 wrote:
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> There seem to be no current rumors of a Z-series 13" , like HP2100 and
> HP3100...anybody heard any recently? 

In think HP would be wiser to launch a 17" model based on a 
10 channel inkset, a hybrid between the B9180 and the Z3100. 
With calibration but without profiling. Gloss enhancer 
aboard and an extra grey or dark red ink in the 10th 
inkline. Or a two component gloss enhancer for a harder 
coating. There's no Vivera pigment printer at that width and 
one in between the Canon iPF5100 and the Epson 3800 in price 
would be nice. 65 ML carts would fit that machine too.


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I don't know what's "wiser" for HP...they design and
price for marketing reasons...I doubt it costs 5X (FIVE TIMES!) to
make a $3500 Z3100 Vs a $700 9180. 

Materials, research, and electronics are not
that much different....the bigger machines must be
hugely profitable by comparison to the smaller (but
far more often sold). 

When Epson upgrades from 2400, HP will add gloss optimizer or
something electronic to 9180 equivalent...no need now, just a matter
of relative cost of advertising...adv dollars are a big part of each
Epson (and Canon), smaller part of each HP (my guess...HP seems little
advertised). IMO if HP wants to sell more machines,
they'll waste more more in advertising. IMO top desktop Epson's aren't
sold on the basis of advertising, more on the basis of buzz and reviews.



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DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst Dinkla
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> djon43 wrote:
> >
> > 
> > There seem to be no current rumors of a Z-series 13" , like HP2100 and
> > HP3100...anybody heard any recently? 
> 
> In think HP would be wiser to launch a 17" model based on a 
> 10 channel inkset, a hybrid between the B9180 and the Z3100. 
> With calibration but without profiling. Gloss enhancer 
> aboard and an extra grey or dark red ink in the 10th 
> inkline. Or a two component gloss enhancer for a harder 
> coating. There's no Vivera pigment printer at that width and 
> one in between the Canon iPF5100 and the Epson 3800 in price 
> would be nice. 65 ML carts would fit that machine too.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst
> 
> 
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>

djon43 wrote:
> I don't know what's "wiser" for HP...they design and
> price for marketing reasons...I doubt it costs 5X (FIVE TIMES!) to
> make a $3500 Z3100 Vs a $700 9180. 

It's 3.5 times wider, has an eye one spectrometer aboard for 
calibration and profiling etc, 12 ink channels instead of 8 
and ink is 60% lower in price (ML) compared to a B9180. 
Buy a secondhand Epson 9000 if they still exist and you get 
a nice recycling premium from HP too. Seems the ads didn't 
give enough information. With that price I still doubt that 
it generates enough money for HP on the hardware and the ink 
price per ML from all 3 manufacturers is the same per cart 
size = competing model.

I doubt there's a market for a B9180 with 12 channels and a 
spectrometer, it will be 3-4 times the price of a normal 
B9180. That's why I think they need a 17" that is a hybrid 
between the two models.


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Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst


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