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How much WYSIWYG is feasible?

How much WYSIWYG is feasible?

2008-04-24 by Louis de Stoutz

Hi folks!

This is a follow-up question to my monitor question (thanks for the 
first replies):

When I am in the darkroom, I print many test-strips to get what I want.
Is this being done in digital B&W too? Saving ink and paper (and time) 
certainly prevents from printing too many full test-pictures. Or does 
WYSIWYG with a reasonable monitor get you close enough to the final print?

(You may guess my a priori "conclusion": maybe its no use to get the 
absolutely best monitor, since one has to do test prints anyway...)

And by the way, a huge "Thank You" to all the very experienced B&W 
workers amongst you for your fantastic contributions!

Louis

Re: How much WYSIWYG is feasible?

2008-04-24 by Joost Horsten

My personal experience, for what it's worth (one and a half year of 
digital B&W printing), is that (with a well calibrated system and 
paper that I'm familiar with) I can get close enough for a good print 
of a "normal" image. But if "good" is not good enough or with an 
image that is very demanding for either very dark or very light tones 
I need some (2-6) iterations to get it right. At certain moments I 
think I face the limit that in the end a monitor is a light emitting 
image, while a photo is light reflecting.

Joost

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Louis de Stoutz 
<loudest@...> wrote:
>
> Hi folks!
> 
> This is a follow-up question to my monitor question (thanks for the 
> first replies):
> 
> When I am in the darkroom, I print many test-strips to get what I 
want.
> Is this being done in digital B&W too? Saving ink and paper (and 
time) 
> certainly prevents from printing too many full test-pictures. Or 
does 
> WYSIWYG with a reasonable monitor get you close enough to the final 
print?
> 
> (You may guess my a priori "conclusion": maybe its no use to get 
the 
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> absolutely best monitor, since one has to do test prints anyway...)
> 
> And by the way, a huge "Thank You" to all the very experienced B&W 
> workers amongst you for your fantastic contributions!
> 
> Louis
>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: How much WYSIWYG is feasible?

2008-04-24 by Louis de Stoutz

Thanks for your insight, Joost.

Your point:
> ... At certain moments I 
> think I face the limit that in the end a monitor is a light emitting 
> image, while a photo is light reflecting.
sounds very true to my ears and makes me understand that the final 
adjustments of the "fine art print" have to happen on paper rather than 
on the screen.

Louis

Re: How much WYSIWYG is feasible?

2008-04-24 by Clayton Jones

Hello Louis,

>...does WYSIWYG with a reasonable monitor get you close enough to the 
>final print?

My experience is like Joost.  I've found that perfect WYSIWYG isn't
possible because of the difference between illumination and reflected
light, but it's good enough that I can do most of the work on screen
before making the first print.  I also make my initial test prints
very small (3x4") to use less ink and paper. 

Sometimes I'm so close on the first print that only minor adjustments
are needed.  Other times when subtle differences are more important
and I get real fussy it requires several test prints.  It varies from
one image to another.  


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
I-Trak 2.1   http://www.cjcom.net/itrak.htm

Re: [Digital BW] Re: How much WYSIWYG is feasible?

2008-04-24 by Louis de Stoutz

Hello Clayton,

first, let me thank you for the amazing work you do with your site, and 
what an incredible free source of information this is to the whole B&W 
community. This is real generous altruistic work to me.

Second, may I ask you what kind of monitor you use? Do you think that a 
properly calibrated "non-Eizo-colour-management" screen like the 
Samsungs, Benqs, HPs, whatever, can do the trick?

With my best regards,
Louis


Clayton Jones wrote:
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> Hello Louis,
> 
>> ...does WYSIWYG with a reasonable monitor get you close enough to the 
>> final print?
> 
> My experience is like Joost.  I've found that perfect WYSIWYG isn't
> possible because of the difference between illumination and reflected
> light, but it's good enough that I can do most of the work on screen
> before making the first print.  I also make my initial test prints
> very small (3x4") to use less ink and paper. 
> 
> Sometimes I'm so close on the first print that only minor adjustments
> are needed.  Other times when subtle differences are more important
> and I get real fussy it requires several test prints.  It varies from
> one image to another.  
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Clayton
> 
> 
> Info on black and white digital printing at    
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
> I-Trak 2.1   http://www.cjcom.net/itrak.htm
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
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RE: [Digital BW] Re: How much WYSIWYG is feasible?

2008-04-24 by Eric Neilsen

Printing is about interpreting your source and converting it to a image.
Here in the digital landscape we take a projected image that is a
representation of data and use a data convertor or printer and make our
image. And as we know, data can be misrepresented, just listen to most
political speeches. WYSIWYG is a dream and color management principals can
get you close; very close. The last gate keeper in the process is always the
human in control of the process; the printer. Here it is determined just how
that print should look.  Put another printer behind your color managed world
of controls and that same image may be seen completely different. I believe
that as tight as your controls get, it will always come down to the last
step of interpretation by the printer/human. 

 

You are still going to need to know how the inks respond to that paper, how
good are your profiles and are you even using any? The monitor gives you
your first representation of the data and careful observation of what it
shows about the data, will let you know if you get "It".   Every step in the
process affords you the ability to make not only "mechanical" changes to the
data, (curves, levels) but intellectual changes as well that is based on
what has come before. What you see is changing on a regular basis so it
evolves over time. The tighter you set up, the easy some of that
interpretation can be but it is always changing.

 

Spend the money on a few good bottles of wine to enjoy while you look at
your craft. : )    

 

Eric

   

 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street

Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

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http://ericneilsenphotography.com

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Stoutz
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Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: How much WYSIWYG is feasible?

 

Thanks for your insight, Joost.

Your point:
> ... At certain moments I 
> think I face the limit that in the end a monitor is a light emitting 
> image, while a photo is light reflecting.
sounds very true to my ears and makes me understand that the final 
adjustments of the "fine art print" have to happen on paper rather than 
on the screen.

Louis

 



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Re: How much WYSIWYG is feasible?

2008-04-24 by pr_roark

> >...does WYSIWYG with a reasonable monitor get you close 
> > enough to the final print?

> ... perfect WYSIWYG isn't possible because of the 
> difference between illumination and reflected light, 
> but it's good enough that I can do most of the work 
> on screen before making the first print. ...

I agree with the others.  Calibration and a "color managed" workflow 
really help.  For QTR the use of Roy's ICCs in soft proofing usually 
get me very close also.  On the other hand, I think a perfectionist 
probably still can do better with a custom dot gain curver, but I'm 
not sure many bother with that.

Another factor is the lighting levels in the lightroom as well as 
final display setting.  I notice the latest monitor calibration units 
appear to be measuring ambient light.  That should help that end, if 
the light is constant.

I have a light in my office that has the exact same illumination 
level as the gallery where I display most often.  This really helps, 
particularly with getting the deep shadows where I want them.  I also 
have to remember that the glazing takes its toll, so viewing the test 
prints behind some acrylic (or in a clear bag) gets me closer in the 
print shadows.

Paul    
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] Re: How much WYSIWYG is feasible?

2008-04-24 by Gary Weaver

I look at the issue the same way Joost does.

I think test strips in digital are still valid.

gar

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On 4/24/08 at 12:11 PM Joost Horsten wrote:

>My personal experience, for what it's worth (one and a half year of 
>digital B&W printing), is that (with a well calibrated system and 
>paper that I'm familiar with) I can get close enough for a good print 
>of a "normal" image. But if "good" is not good enough or with an 
>image that is very demanding for either very dark or very light tones 
>I need some (2-6) iterations to get it right. At certain moments I 
>think I face the limit that in the end a monitor is a light emitting 
>image, while a photo is light reflecting.
>
>Joost
>
>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Louis de Stoutz 
><loudest@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi folks!
>> 
>> This is a follow-up question to my monitor question (thanks for the 
>> first replies):
>> 
>> When I am in the darkroom, I print many test-strips to get what I 
>want.
>> Is this being done in digital B&W too? Saving ink and paper (and 
>time) 
>> certainly prevents from printing too many full test-pictures. Or 
>does 
>> WYSIWYG with a reasonable monitor get you close enough to the final 
>print?
>> 
>> (You may guess my a priori "conclusion": maybe its no use to get 
>the 
>> absolutely best monitor, since one has to do test prints anyway...)
>> 
>> And by the way, a huge "Thank You" to all the very experienced B&W 
>> workers amongst you for your fantastic contributions!
>> 
>> Louis
>>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: How much WYSIWYG is feasible?

2008-04-24 by Gary Weaver

Sorry to butt-in. I've stuck with analog. My primary is a 21" Diamond Pro 91TXM.

gar

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On 4/24/08 at 4:01 PM Louis de Stoutz wrote:

>Hello Clayton,
>
>first, let me thank you for the amazing work you do with your site, and 
>what an incredible free source of information this is to the whole B&W 
>community. This is real generous altruistic work to me.
>
>Second, may I ask you what kind of monitor you use? Do you think that a 
>properly calibrated "non-Eizo-colour-management" screen like the 
>Samsungs, Benqs, HPs, whatever, can do the trick?
>
>With my best regards,
>Louis
>
>
>Clayton Jones wrote:
>> Hello Louis,
>> 
>>> ...does WYSIWYG with a reasonable monitor get you close enough to the 
>>> final print?
>> 
>> My experience is like Joost.  I've found that perfect WYSIWYG isn't
>> possible because of the difference between illumination and reflected
>> light, but it's good enough that I can do most of the work on screen
>> before making the first print.  I also make my initial test prints
>> very small (3x4") to use less ink and paper. 
>> 
>> Sometimes I'm so close on the first print that only minor adjustments
>> are needed.  Other times when subtle differences are more important
>> and I get real fussy it requires several test prints.  It varies from
>> one image to another.  
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Clayton
>> 
>> 
>> Info on black and white digital printing at    
>> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
>> I-Trak 2.1   http://www.cjcom.net/itrak.htm
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------------
>> 
>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources
>as they are often being updated.
>> 
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>> 
>> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to
>unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same
>page.
>> 
>> Please follow these basic guidelines:
>> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to
>keep them short.
>> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames.
>Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the
>membership without notice.
>> - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W
>printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from
>the membership.
>> - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and
>guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner
>and Moderators. See �Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines� in the Files
>section:
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/
>> 
>> BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT
>YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE �OWNER� AND
>�MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO
>YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR
>EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF
>PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE 
>�OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN
>ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE
>OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii)
>UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii)
>STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT
>YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE
>PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as
>they are often being updated.
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>
>If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to
>unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same
>page.
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>Please follow these basic guidelines:
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>them short.
>- Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames.
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>membership without notice.
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>YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE �OWNER� AND
>�MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO
>YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR
>EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF
>PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE 
>�OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN
>ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE
>OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii)
>UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii)
>STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT
>YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE
>PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

[Digital BW] Re: How much WYSIWYG is feasible?

2008-04-25 by Clayton Jones

Hello Louis,

>may I ask you what kind of monitor you use? 

I use a 17" Samsung 710N.


>Do you think that a properly calibrated "non-Eizo-colour-management" 
>screen like the Samsungs, Benqs, HPs, whatever, can do the trick?

I think any decent monitor can be used.  I can't say which ones are
the best as I haven't done any comparison tests.  I can say that my
present Samsung is much better than the old Microtek I had before.  I
also haven't done any calibrating beyond setting the brightness and
contrast so that I can differentiate all of the sections of the test
strip on the dpreview web site.  That's pretty much the extent of my
calibration (I think I'm more like Edward than Ansel in my technical
approach <g>).

I use a custom dot gain curve (18%) for the image profile (along with
TONE=Light in the ABW settings) and get real good WYSIWYG and good
shadow separation.


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
I-Trak 2.1   http://www.cjcom.net/itrak.htm

Re: [Digital BW] How much WYSIWYG is feasible?

2008-04-25 by olaf ringdahl

----- Original Message ----- 
When I am in the darkroom, I print many test-strips to get what I want.
Is this being done in digital B&W too? Saving ink and paper (and time)
certainly prevents from printing too many full test-pictures. Or does
WYSIWYG with a reasonable monitor get you close enough to the final print?


In my wet darkroom days I always used test strips to fine tune without 
wasting too much paper. Now that I have gone digital I still use test strips 
but I don't do any cutting. I make many of them, as I need them, on a single 
sheet of paper. For example, I get 22 1x4 strips on a letter size sheet, but 
I use whatever size and shape I need at the moment. With Grid and Snap to 
turned on, I use the crop tool to create the strip of the right dimensions 
(with a single diagonal drag of the mouse). Then I position the strip where 
I need it on the image. To keep things simple and quick, I stick to whole 
inches minus 0.05" in each dimension to avoid overlap and provide space for 
notations. This lets me use whole numbers in the Position box in Print 
Options. I save the sheets for future use until I have used up every inch of 
space.



This system allows me to fine tune things like Unsharp Mask settings to a 
degree that would not be possible any other way. I use the same method to 
make small test prints. Monitor calibration is important but in my opinion 
there is no substitute for using actual ink on paper tests and this method 
makes these tests quick, easy and cheap.



Olaf Ringdahl

Re: [Digital BW] How much WYSIWYG is feasible?

2008-04-25 by olaf ringdahl

Correction: When I said "whole inches minus 0.05" in each dimension," I 
should have said "whole inches minus 0.2" in each dimension." I made the 
mistake because I don't actually bother to measure precisely: I just drag 
the cursor to a point just inside the full inch mark and let the crop lines 
automatically snap to the lines that are exactly 0.2" inside the full inch 
lines. No measurement, no math. Just click, drag and release. Takes about 
two seconds.



Incidentally, you can position the first test strip at zero from top and 
left because all measurements in Print Options are based on printable area, 
not paper size.



Olaf

Re: How much WYSIWYG is feasible?

2008-04-25 by dlruckus

Hi Louis. I agree with what everyone else said.

Regards
Duane


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Louis de Stoutz
<loudest@...> wrote:
>
> Hi folks!
> 
> This is a follow-up question to my monitor question (thanks for the 
> first replies):
> 
> When I am in the darkroom, I print many test-strips to get what I want.
> Is this being done in digital B&W too? Saving ink and paper (and time) 
> certainly prevents from printing too many full test-pictures. Or does 
> WYSIWYG with a reasonable monitor get you close enough to the final
print?
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> 
> (You may guess my a priori "conclusion": maybe its no use to get the 
> absolutely best monitor, since one has to do test prints anyway...)
> 
> And by the way, a huge "Thank You" to all the very experienced B&W 
> workers amongst you for your fantastic contributions!
> 
> Louis
>

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