Digital BW, The Print

I can not find any information on how much ink is used on an 8x10 print.

Can anyone help me with an estimated cost?

thanks,

Salman

On 2/8/02 3:52 PM, "kalahari_98" <kalahari69@...> wrote:

> I can not find any information on how much ink is used on an 8x10 print.
> 
> Can anyone help me with an estimated cost?

Quite a while ago, I'd found an estimate on the Piezography/inkjetmall.com
site that claimed $0.50 per 8x10.  Oddly, that page is no longer there --
but Google still has it in its cache.  Here's what it used to say:

> 860 / 1160 cartridges when used with PiezographyBW software produce @35 8" x
> 10" prints before the gray cartridge is spent. The black cartridge will be
> spent at a ratio of about 1 black to every 3 grays. The cost per 8"x10" may be
> calculated to approx. $1.75 each. The cost per print is significantly lowered
> by using the CIS system to about .50¢.

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:OR1tPMVCPiEC:www.inkjetmall.com/store/p
iezographyBW-cis.html+piezography+cost+8+10&hl=en

^^^that's the URL that I got the cached copy from (you'll probably have to
edit it, since Yahoo will screw up the formatting).

Anyway, I've used this fifty-cent estimate as a working cost.

Anyone else have estimates?

john

I'm not printing monochrome, just Gen 4, but I do make a lot of big 
prints.  I'd be doomed without the CIS.  I figure the ink is free, the only 
real cost is the paper.

Don't tell Epson!  : )

Peter McLennan

That's with the expensive cone ink. its much cheaper with other inksets.

Jerry


John Labovitz wrote:

> 
> On 2/8/02 3:52 PM, "kalahari_98" <kalahari69@...> wrote:
> 
> > I can not find any information on how much ink is used on an 8x10 print.
> >
> > Can anyone help me with an estimated cost?
> 
> Quite a while ago, I'd found an estimate on the Piezography/inkjetmall.com
> site that claimed $0.50 per 8x10.  Oddly, that page is no longer there --
> but Google still has it in its cache.  Here's what it used to say:
> 
> > 860 / 1160 cartridges when used with Piezography*BW software produce @35 8" x
> > 10" prints before the gray cartridge is spent. The black cartridge will be
> > spent at a ratio of about 1 black to every 3 grays. The cost per 8"x10" may be
> > calculated to approx. $1.75 each. The cost per print is significantly lowered
> > by using the CIS system to about .50\ufffd.
> 
> http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:OR1tPMVCPiEC:www.inkjetmall.com/store/p
> iezographyBW-cis.html+piezography+cost+8+10&hl=en
> 
> ^^^that's the URL that I got the cached copy from (you'll probably have to
> edit it, since Yahoo will screw up the formatting).
> 
> Anyway, I've used this fifty-cent estimate as a working cost.
> 
> Anyone else have estimates?
> 
> john
> 
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Thanks for everyones help.

I am now looking at ordering a CIS sytem to go along with the 1160.  
I looked at the prices of the Piezography*BW inks and I think I will 
stick with MIS inks for now (they are actually in my price range).

Once again thanks for your help,

kalahari


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> That's with the expensive cone ink. its much cheaper with other 
inksets.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> John Labovitz wrote:
> > 
> > On 2/8/02 3:52 PM, "kalahari_98" <kalahari69@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > > I can not find any information on how much ink is used on an 
8x10 print.
> > >
> > > Can anyone help me with an estimated cost?
> > 
> > Quite a while ago, I'd found an estimate on the 
Piezography/inkjetmall.com
> > site that claimed $0.50 per 8x10.  Oddly, that page is no longer 
there --
> > but Google still has it in its cache.  Here's what it used to say:
> > 
> > > 860 / 1160 cartridges when used with Piezography*BW software 
produce @35 8" x
> > > 10" prints before the gray cartridge is spent. The black 
cartridge will be
> > > spent at a ratio of about 1 black to every 3 grays. The cost 
per 8"x10" may be
> > > calculated to approx. $1.75 each. The cost per print is 
significantly lowered
> > > by using the CIS system to about .50¢.
> > 
> > http://www.google.com/search?
q=cache:OR1tPMVCPiEC:www.inkjetmall.com/store/p
> > iezographyBW-cis.html+piezography+cost+8+10&hl=en
> > 
> > ^^^that's the URL that I got the cached copy from (you'll 
probably have to
> > edit it, since Yahoo will screw up the formatting).
> > 
> > Anyway, I've used this fifty-cent estimate as a working cost.
> > 
> > Anyone else have estimates?
> > 
> > john
> > 
> > 
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, 
Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page 
is at:
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> > 
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or "flames."
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In my recent 1160 CIS shopping, InkJetArt.com was a little less 
expensive than MediaStreet.com for me. Because the CIS cost enough to 
qualify for free shipping at InkJetArt.com.

I assume that's not why InkJetArt.com left the instructions out and 
MediaStreet sent me two copies of the CIS instructions with their 
CIS-Gen4 bundle. Or why InkJetArt didn't respond to my e-mail inquiry 
when I wrote to ask about my order after I got my MediaStreet order 
but still had not, a few days later, gotten my InkJetArt order.

The big CIS-related bargain, however, if they work, is the 
cart-plugging rivets MIS sells for pennies apiece on InkSupply.com. 
The other two sell acrylic cartridge stands for about as much as the 
acrylic bottle stands.

The bottle stands, incidentally, add enough to the width of the 
printer to make installation and refilling awkward for me. If any of 
the web sites offering them or NoMoreCarts' itself provides 
bottle-stand dimensions, I couldn't find them. The squarish 
four-bottle stands I got are roughly 5 1/8 inches by 4 3/4 inches. 
Whereas the bottles themselves are about two inches in diameter. The 
difference will keep me from having quite enough wiggle room if I use 
the stands instead of lining the bottles up in a one-bottle deep 
column alongside the printer.

Sam

>Thanks for everyones help.
>
>I am now looking at ordering a CIS sytem to go along with the 1160.
>I looked at the prices of the Piezography*BW inks and I think I will
>stick with MIS inks for now (they are actually in my price range).
>
>Once again thanks for your help,
>
>kalahari

Soon I hope to be using MIS's VMQ Sepia-Neutral inkset in an 1160 and 
would like to be able to compare notes with other VM users, who might 
have kept their printer driver more up to date.

Looking for my 1160 printer driver, I found first an Apple Control 
Panel called "Software Update" and ran it. It suggested only 
CarbonLib 1.5 (which I didn't do because I don't have OS X yet). But 
would Apple's Software Update know if the 1160's printer driver was 
out of date?

I can't find the driver itself but don't know what I'm looking for. I 
thought it would be an extension, but I didn't see one that looked 
promising. On Epson's update download page for inkjets, Epson's web 
site lists:

>Printer Driver v6.3 AE
>Macintosh System 8.5 - 9.0
>MSC116063AE.SEA.hqx - 5.9 MB - posted on 7/20/00
>This installer will place a folder on the Desktop labeled, "Stylus 
>Color 1160 V 6.3AE". Open the folder and run the installer found in 
>the folder labeled Disk1. Read the "README" file on DISK1 for more 
>details. This driver will eliminate the need to use the Updater 
>patch to resolve the character clipping issue.

But I've never had a character-clipping or other problem with my 
driver, whatever and wherever it is. And I hesitate to replace it 
without knowing what's up. On the other hand, I'm about to install 
the Neutral-Sepia inkset and would like to be able to compare notes 
with other 1160 MIS VM users, who might be using v6.3 AE.

Any advice about 1160 driver maintenance with VM use in mind is welcome.

Sam

Sam,

The Software Update control panel is only for the Macintosh OS - so it will
not update any third party drivers. Though OS X has some built-in Epson
Drivers I don't think they support the 1160 and you are still running OS 9.

It's a good chance you still have the latest drivers as the last driver
update was some time ago - almost two years.

I have both the 1160 (VM) and 1200 (Generations) - so there could be some
overlap with the extensions with me. There is an Epson folder inside the
Extensions folder that has Epson libraries and other extensions and some
loose Epson extensions floating around in the Extensions folder.

I'd just reinstall the latest drivers and don't worry about it. Though some
might say don't fix something that ain't broke.

Best,

John V.