Digital BW, The Print

Looking around at CIS systems and their price.

Can anyone justify why a 1270/80 CIS unit would be valued at twice 
the amount of an 1160 unit.  Half again I could understand but not 2x.

Think I'll be picking up a 1270 in the next couple days.

Thanks,
Cleavis

> Looking around at CIS systems and their price.
> 
> Can anyone justify why a 1270/80 CIS unit would be valued at twice
> the amount of an 1160 unit.  Half again I could understand but not 2x.

It's mostly the "chips" you're paying for (plus a 6 ink printer vs 4).
Depending on your OS you might not mind the MIS CFS, but apparently it's not
as elegant a solution as the Niagara.

Anyway, blame Epson for the extra cost, not the CIS.

Todd

> Think I'll be picking up a 1270 in the next couple days.
> 
> Thanks,
> Cleavis
> 
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Cleavis,

It is due to the 100% full chips that the system comes with them (the
version sourced from NoMoreCarts anyway).
Translation: This solution (the 100% full chips) may be a bit more expensive
than comparable systems that rely on chip reprogrammers, software systems to
reprogram (where you must run a certain type of system, with the printer
connected on parallel - generally not so good for Mac users).

Bluntly, in my view the system is still fantastically worthwhile, and should
still save you money, and still gives you choice over ink type where
previously there was none.

Try and source a non-chipped printer if you don't like it!

Nij

Nigel Rheam
MWORDS Limited   www.mwords.co.uk   Digital Fine Art

> -----Original Message-----
> From: lyonscox [mailto:lyonscox@...]
> Sent: 09 February 2002 01:38
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] CIS pricing?
>
>
> Looking around at CIS systems and their price.
>
> Can anyone justify why a 1270/80 CIS unit would be valued at twice
> the amount of an 1160 unit.  Half again I could understand but not 2x.
>
> Think I'll be picking up a 1270 in the next couple days.
>
> Thanks,
> Cleavis
>

The difference in price is great deal...to not have to reprogram (or 
even reset the cheesy foam on the non-chipped carts) is worth it in 
spades, if you ask me.

Tom O'Connell

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Nij" <nigel@m...> wrote:
> Cleavis,
> 
> It is due to the 100% full chips that the system comes with them 
(the
> version sourced from NoMoreCarts anyway).
> Translation: This solution (the 100% full chips) may be a bit more 
expensive
> than comparable systems that rely on chip reprogrammers, software 
systems to
> reprogram (where you must run a certain type of system, with the 
printer
> connected on parallel - generally not so good for Mac users).
> 
> Bluntly, in my view the system is still fantastically worthwhile, 
and should
> still save you money, and still gives you choice over ink type where
> previously there was none.
> 
> Try and source a non-chipped printer if you don't like it!
> 
> Nij
> 
> Nigel Rheam
> MWORDS Limited   www.mwords.co.uk   Digital Fine Art
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lyonscox [mailto:lyonscox@m...]
> > Sent: 09 February 2002 01:38
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
> > Subject: [Digital BW] CIS pricing?
> >
> >
> > Looking around at CIS systems and their price.
> >
> > Can anyone justify why a 1270/80 CIS unit would be valued at twice
> > the amount of an 1160 unit.  Half again I could understand but 
not 2x.

> >
> > Think I'll be picking up a 1270 in the next couple days.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Cleavis
> >

i just bought the MIS CIS system for the 1280 printer that i have (using dye
based color inks on that still) ..

.. i thought that resetting the chips would be a great hassle .. butit
really isn't .. i'm not even using the software to reset the chips .. (since
i use windows 2000 and a mac )  the software needs a DOS machine ..

.. anyways .. i use the swedish reset method (which requires you to have a
new cartridge around (i just boirrowed one from a friend) .. --  the process
basically involves tricking the printer into writing onto a spent cartridge
fake values for the ink level .. you can treick the 1280 into writing
(almost) 100% full onto a spent cartridge's chips ..

.. since i saved all my spent cartridges .. i have 2 "FULL" sets of
cartridges which i then use to reset the MIS CIS ..

.. you get about 40 resets out of each cartridge .. since i use 2 sets ..
thats about 40 * 40 resets .. = 1600  resets.. probably more than enough ..

.. since my digital darkroom is a budget operation .. i think its a good
compromise ..

.. i wish that MIS sold empty CIS for the 1280/1270 .. since i want to use
it for my quadtone 1270 ..

-- ricardo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Flashner" <tflash@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] CIS pricing?


>
>
> > Looking around at CIS systems and their price.
> >
> > Can anyone justify why a 1270/80 CIS unit would be valued at twice
> > the amount of an 1160 unit.  Half again I could understand but not 2x.
>
> It's mostly the "chips" you're paying for (plus a 6 ink printer vs 4).
> Depending on your OS you might not mind the MIS CFS, but apparently it's
not
> as elegant a solution as the Niagara.
>
> Anyway, blame Epson for the extra cost, not the CIS.
>
> Todd
>
> > Think I'll be picking up a 1270 in the next couple days.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Cleavis
> >
> >
> >
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Yes. The chips on the cartridges for the 1280 printer are very
expensive. They tell the printer that it is always full of ink. You are
paying about $90 more just for that chip. Without it you couldn't use a
CIS on a 1280,

Jerrry

> Can anyone justify why a 1270/80 CIS unit would be valued at twice
> the amount of an 1160 unit.  Half again I could understand but not 2x.
> 
> Think I'll be picking up a 1270 in the next couple days.
> 
> Thanks,
> Cleavis
> 
> 
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