Digital BW, The Print

Has anyone compared the ink waste on printers using a Cartridge 
system vis a Continuous Ink System (CIS)?

Or, do I have a printer from Hell, as Jon Cone referrers to some 
printers?

The reason I am asking is that I have two (2) Epson R2400 printers.  
One printer uses a cartridge system which I fill with K7 inks and the 
other printer use a CIS with K3 inks.  The CIS is pumping (wasting) 6 
times the ink then the cartridge system.  (CIS = 120 ml vs Cartridge 
= 20 ml for about the same amount of printing)  

The reason I know the amount is that I have added overboard waste 
systems to both printers per the following website. 
http://www.inkrepublic.com/KnowledgeBase/R2400WasteInk.asp

I am aware the Epson R2400 waste more ink then some other printers 
but I can not change that.

Any information will be welcomed.

Bill LaFever

I really don't understand how one system would waste more ink than another.
From what I understand ink is only passed to the waste ink tank as a result
of cleaning cycles so something must be causing additional cleaning cycles
or perhaps more vigorous cleaning cycles. If you are getting a lot of clogs
then the additional cleaning cycles will use more ink, if the CIS thinks it
is running out of ink and automatically resetting the chip on the CIS that
may cause it to run more cleaning cycles, if the chips are not communicating
properly to the on-board circuit that may cause more cleaning cycles. Since
you have two different printers perhaps something in the one printer may
cause more ink to be passed during a cleaning cycle.

 

Tom 

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 1:01 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Ink waste - cartridges vs CIS

 

Has anyone compared the ink waste on printers using a Cartridge 
system vis a Continuous Ink System (CIS)?

Or, do I have a printer from Hell, as Jon Cone referrers to some 
printers?

The reason I am asking is that I have two (2) Epson R2400 printers. 
One printer uses a cartridge system which I fill with K7 inks and the 
other printer use a CIS with K3 inks. The CIS is pumping (wasting) 6 
times the ink then the cartridge system. (CIS = 120 ml vs Cartridge 
= 20 ml for about the same amount of printing) 

The reason I know the amount is that I have added overboard waste 
systems to both printers per the following website. 
http://www.inkrepublic.com/KnowledgeBase/R2400WasteInk.asp

I am aware the Epson R2400 waste more ink then some other printers 
but I can not change that.

Any information will be welcomed.

Bill LaFever

 



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Tom

Yes, ink is passed to the waste tank on a cleaning cycle, but this 
machine also does it every time I turn it on and do nothing else.  

Also, I tried to print some business cards with MSWord and the driver 
started to pass data to the printer and then stopped to telling me 
that I had selected the wrong paper source, which I had not. Then it 
would pump ink into the waste tank. I never could get the business 
cards to print on this printer, so I sent it to an old HP printer and 
it worked fine.

You touch on an interesting point.  There are three (3) cartridges in 
the CIS that the printer reads as not being Epson cartridges.  They 
are Light Cyan (T0595), Light Black (T0597) and Yellow (T0594).  When 
I look at the volume of ink used out of the CIS tanks the Light Cyan 
has been used the most and the Light Black and Yellow are not far 
behind in volume used.

So, would this imply that there is something wrong with the chips on 
these three cartridges? 

Bill LaFever


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Maugham" 
<Thomas@...> wrote:
>
> I really don't understand how one system would waste more ink than 
another.
> From what I understand ink is only passed to the waste ink tank as 
a result
> of cleaning cycles so something must be causing additional cleaning 
cycles
> or perhaps more vigorous cleaning cycles. If you are getting a lot 
of clogs
> then the additional cleaning cycles will use more ink, if the CIS 
thinks it
> is running out of ink and automatically resetting the chip on the 
CIS that
> may cause it to run more cleaning cycles, if the chips are not 
communicating
> properly to the on-board circuit that may cause more cleaning 
cycles. Since
> you have two different printers perhaps something in the one 
printer may

> cause more ink to be passed during a cleaning cycle.
> 
>  
> 
> Tom 
>

It sounds like it could be bad chips on the carts OR something wrong with
the circuit board in the printer OR a bad printer driver in your computer. I
would try reloading/updating the driver first to see if that clears the
problem. If it's not that then see about the chips and lastly the board.

 

HTH

 

Tom 

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 1:55 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Ink waste - cartridges vs CIS

 

Tom

Yes, ink is passed to the waste tank on a cleaning cycle, but this 
machine also does it every time I turn it on and do nothing else. 

Also, I tried to print some business cards with MSWord and the driver 
started to pass data to the printer and then stopped to telling me 
that I had selected the wrong paper source, which I had not. Then it 
would pump ink into the waste tank. I never could get the business 
cards to print on this printer, so I sent it to an old HP printer and 
it worked fine.

You touch on an interesting point. There are three (3) cartridges in 
the CIS that the printer reads as not being Epson cartridges. They 
are Light Cyan (T0595), Light Black (T0597) and Yellow (T0594). When 
I look at the volume of ink used out of the CIS tanks the Light Cyan 
has been used the most and the Light Black and Yellow are not far 
behind in volume used.

So, would this imply that there is something wrong with the chips on 
these three cartridges? 

Bill LaFever

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> , "Tom Maugham" 
<Thomas@...> wrote:
>
> I really don't understand how one system would waste more ink than 
another.
> From what I understand ink is only passed to the waste ink tank as 
a result
> of cleaning cycles so something must be causing additional cleaning 
cycles
> or perhaps more vigorous cleaning cycles. If you are getting a lot 
of clogs
> then the additional cleaning cycles will use more ink, if the CIS 
thinks it
> is running out of ink and automatically resetting the chip on the 
CIS that
> may cause it to run more cleaning cycles, if the chips are not 
communicating
> properly to the on-board circuit that may cause more cleaning 
cycles. Since
> you have two different printers perhaps something in the one 
printer may
> cause more ink to be passed during a cleaning cycle.
> 
> 
> 
> Tom 
> 

 



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Tom:

I would think if it was problem with the Epson driver, it would show 
on both printers as I use the same driver on both.

I might converting back to cartrides and see what that does.  That 
would tell me if it was a chip problem with the CIS.

Thanks for your help.

Bill

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Maugham" 
<Thomas@...> wrote:
>
> It sounds like it could be bad chips on the carts OR something 
wrong with
> the circuit board in the printer OR a bad printer driver in your 
computer. I
> would try reloading/updating the driver first to see if that clears 
the
> problem. If it's not that then see about the chips and lastly the 
board.

> 
>  
> 
> HTH
> 
>  
>

Good luck and let us know how it works out.

 

Tom 

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:43 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Ink waste - cartridges vs CIS

 

Tom:

I would think if it was problem with the Epson driver, it would show 
on both printers as I use the same driver on both.

I might converting back to cartrides and see what that does. That 
would tell me if it was a chip problem with the CIS.

Thanks for your help.

Bill

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> , "Tom Maugham" 
<Thomas@...> wrote:
>
> It sounds like it could be bad chips on the carts OR something 
wrong with
> the circuit board in the printer OR a bad printer driver in your 
computer. I
> would try reloading/updating the driver first to see if that clears 
the
> problem. If it's not that then see about the chips and lastly the 
board.
> 
> 
> 
> HTH
> 
> 
>

 



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Tom:

As you requested, here are the results of my testS.  I am sorry it 
has taken so long to get back, but I had a lot of testing to do on 
each step to be sure what was going on.

In summary, here is what I did and the results of each step.

•  I downloaded another copy of the Epson driver.  No change, 
still pumping 3 to 5 times when the printer is turned on.  The 
computer does not even have to be on for this to happen.
•  Changed out the three (3) carts that the Epson diver said 
were NOT EPSON CARTS.  This did get rid of that error message when I 
printed through the Epson driver.  But, it still pumps 3 to 5 times 
when I turn on the printer.
•  Replaced the CIS system for the original Epson cartridges' 
and BING, problem solved.

So, that brings up another set of questions regarding the reason the 
CIS system is causing this pumping problem.
1.  Is this a problem with a chip on one or more cartridges?
2.  Is there some sort of seal where the tubs attaching to the 
carts and Ink supply tanks that could be broken and causing air to 
get into the line?  (Loss of vacuum?)
3. Or, is there something else going on here?

Bill LaFever


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Maugham" 
<Thomas@...> wrote:
>
> Good luck and let us know how it works out.
> 
>  
> 
> Tom 
> 
>  
> 
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Bill
> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:43 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Ink waste - cartridges vs CIS
> 
>  
> 
> Tom:
> 
> I would think if it was problem with the Epson driver, it would 
show 
> on both printers as I use the same driver on both.
> 
> I might converting back to cartrides and see what that does. That 
> would tell me if it was a chip problem with the CIS.
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Bill
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> , "Tom 
Maugham" 
> <Thomas@> wrote:
> >
> > It sounds like it could be bad chips on the carts OR something 
> wrong with
> > the circuit board in the printer OR a bad printer driver in your 
> computer. I
> > would try reloading/updating the driver first to see if that 
clears 

> the
> > problem. If it's not that then see about the chips and lastly the 
> board.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > HTH
> > 
> > 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Bill,

 

Very interesting.  my initial guess is a bad chip on one or more of the
carts. If a seal was bad you would probably have a flooding situation or
lack of ink but I can't see how either of those situations could cause
additional cleaning cycles. Something is telling the printer to initiate a
cleaning cycle and my first guess would be one or more bad chips or bad
contact between the chip and the pins in the cartridge holder. Since the
problem seems to be with the CIS perhaps contacting the manufacturer to get
a replacement set of chips is in order.

 

HTH,

Tom 

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 6:11 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Ink waste - cartridges vs CIS

 

Tom:

As you requested, here are the results of my testS. I am sorry it 
has taken so long to get back, but I had a lot of testing to do on 
each step to be sure what was going on.

In summary, here is what I did and the results of each step.

. I downloaded another copy of the Epson driver. No change, 
still pumping 3 to 5 times when the printer is turned on. The 
computer does not even have to be on for this to happen.
. Changed out the three (3) carts that the Epson diver said 
were NOT EPSON CARTS. This did get rid of that error message when I 
printed through the Epson driver. But, it still pumps 3 to 5 times 
when I turn on the printer.
. Replaced the CIS system for the original Epson cartridges' 
and BING, problem solved.

So, that brings up another set of questions regarding the reason the 
CIS system is causing this pumping problem.
1. Is this a problem with a chip on one or more cartridges?
2. Is there some sort of seal where the tubs attaching to the 
carts and Ink supply tanks that could be broken and causing air to 
get into the line? (Loss of vacuum?)
3. Or, is there something else going on here?

Bill LaFever

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> , "Tom Maugham" 
<Thomas@...> wrote:
>
> Good luck and let us know how it works out.
> 
> 
> 
> Tom 
> 
> 
> 
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> 
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of 
Bill
> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:43 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> 
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Ink waste - cartridges vs CIS
> 
> 
> 
> Tom:
> 
> I would think if it was problem with the Epson driver, it would 
show 
> on both printers as I use the same driver on both.
> 
> I might converting back to cartrides and see what that does. That 
> would tell me if it was a chip problem with the CIS.
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Bill
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> 
> <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> , "Tom 
Maugham" 
> <Thomas@> wrote:
> >
> > It sounds like it could be bad chips on the carts OR something 
> wrong with
> > the circuit board in the printer OR a bad printer driver in your 
> computer. I
> > would try reloading/updating the driver first to see if that 
clears 
> the
> > problem. If it's not that then see about the chips and lastly the 
> board.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > HTH
> > 
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 



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To make sure it's the chips and not the CIS itself, why don't you
temporarily place the Epson chips (temporarily since they are not
autoreset) on the CIS carts?

Denis

>  
> 
> Tom:
> 
> As you requested, here are the results of my testS. I am sorry it 
> has taken so long to get back, but I had a lot of testing to do on 
> each step to be sure what was going on.
> 
> In summary, here is what I did and the results of each step.
> 
> . I downloaded another copy of the Epson driver. No change, 
> still pumping 3 to 5 times when the printer is turned on. The 
> computer does not even have to be on for this to happen.
> . Changed out the three (3) carts that the Epson diver said 
> were NOT EPSON CARTS. This did get rid of that error message when I 
> printed through the Epson driver. But, it still pumps 3 to 5 times 
> when I turn on the printer.
> . Replaced the CIS system for the original Epson cartridges' 
> and BING, problem solved.
> 
> So, that brings up another set of questions regarding the reason the 
> CIS system is causing this pumping problem.
> 1. Is this a problem with a chip on one or more cartridges?
> 2. Is there some sort of seal where the tubs attaching to the 
> carts and Ink supply tanks that could be broken and causing air to 
> get into the line? (Loss of vacuum?)
> 3. Or, is there something else going on here?
> 
> Bill LaFever
>

Denis:

I am going to show my ignorance here.  How do I change the chip on the 
cart as you suggested?

Bill LaFever


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "the_des_bois" 
<thedesbois@...> wrote:

>
> To make sure it's the chips and not the CIS itself, why don't you
> temporarily place the Epson chips (temporarily since they are not
> autoreset) on the CIS carts?
> 
> Denis
>

Hello Bill,

A couple of months ago I would have asked the same question. We all
have to ask in order to learn. Then we can help others.

I'll direct you to this page:
http://www.alotofthings.com/viartshop/article.php?category_id=10&article_id=270

Looks scary cause he uses the tip of an X-Acto blade. But really there
is nothing to it as long as you do it with care. Most important part
is not touching the chips surface. 

But they're not that fragile. I've swapped many chips... and never got
any problem. And they are easy to find in the form of empty OEM carts.
The autoreset ones you have to buy but again their easy to find.

I use rubber cement to fix the chips. Just a little.

Important too: make sure you remember which is which... one removed
better place the chip on a post it with cart name on it and chip type.
OEM have the Epson word written on them.

Good luck!

Denis

>
> Denis:
> 
> I am going to show my ignorance here.  How do I change the chip on the 
> cart as you suggested?
> 
> Bill LaFever
> 
>

Denis & Tom:

Thanks for all your help.  I think I will first contact the people 
who sold me my CIS before I start messing with the chips.

Thanks again and I will let you know how this all works out.

Bill LaFever

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "the_des_bois" 
<thedesbois@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Bill,
> 
> A couple of months ago I would have asked the same question. We all
> have to ask in order to learn. Then we can help others.
> 
> I'll direct you to this page:
> http://www.alotofthings.com/viartshop/article.php?
category_id=10&article_id=270
> 
> Looks scary cause he uses the tip of an X-Acto blade. But really 
there
> is nothing to it as long as you do it with care. Most important part
> is not touching the chips surface. 
> 
> But they're not that fragile. I've swapped many chips... and never 
got
> any problem. And they are easy to find in the form of empty OEM 
carts.
> The autoreset ones you have to buy but again their easy to find.
> 
> I use rubber cement to fix the chips. Just a little.
> 
> Important too: make sure you remember which is which... one removed
> better place the chip on a post it with cart name on it and chip 
type.

> OEM have the Epson word written on them.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Denis

I'm thinking about giving UT14 a go. I used to have a 1290 (UK version of
1280) and UT2, and that was great until it became unreliable, and never came
back. I then got an R220 with UT3D and this is great. Cheap and very
controllable, especially as I have just been learning how to make the ICCs
with a print fix pro. On a calibrated monitor I am getting very close
matches between the print under daylight and whats on the screen. Good news
indeed.

Anyway onto the story...

How does the gamut of UT14 compare to UT2 and UT3D? I am guessing its closer
to UT3D - correct? In the UT14 readme Paul Roark mentions customising UT14
by putting something in the yellow position. Any recommendations? Could I
get a colour range approaching UT2? (I imagine in only one way - cool or
warm.)

Also, can anyone comment on the reliability of UT14 in the 1400? I am a
little scared given my experience with the 1290, which is a dye printer, and
so is the 1400. Has anyone had clog nightmares yet? I dont think so from a
quick scour of the list archives, although it looks like there may be paper
feed problems, but this may be down to a bad printer. If UT14 is as easy to
manage as UT3D then this will be great news.

Thanks in advance for any replies, and especially thanks to Paul Roark for
inventing these inksets and workflows for us to play with, and that give us
such great results.

Steve Taylor

> I'm thinking about giving UT14 a go.

I don't know about UK prices, but currently the 1400 is on sale in 
the US for $199.99.

>...
> How does the gamut of UT14 compare to UT2 and UT3D? 
> I am guessing its closer to UT3D - correct?

There is no sepia in the UT14 mix as sold.  One could put sepia in 
the Y position and have about the same useable gamut as the UT2.  An 
additional difference, however, is that the cool UT14 toner is not as 
cold as the UT2 toner.  But the extreme coldness the UT2 could 
achieve was not particularly useful and made profiling more difficult.

Note also that the 1400 prints Eboni black only even smoother than 
the 1800.  For making the most archival prints, this may be a useful 
additional ability of the machine.  It also works well with Eboni-6 
for those interested in a smoother 100% carbon pigment solution.

> Also, can anyone comment on the reliability of UT14 in the 1400? 
> I am a little scared given my experience with the 1290, which 
> is a dye printer, and so is the 1400.

The 220 was a dye printer also, and it was reliable.  I think Epson 
took care of the 1280/90 clogging problem on all printers after that 
date.

> ... it looks like there may be paper feed problems, ...

Mine loads Photo Rag 308 with no manual assistance.  Premier Art 325, 
however, is a stretch.  One difference I've noticed is that pre-
feeding with the paper feed button on the machine simple sends the 
paper all the way through.  Aside from that difference, my 1400 is 
about the best desktop Epson I've had.

> If UT14 is as easy to
> manage as UT3D then this will be great news.

It's easier.  The 3D space is harder to profile.  

The 1400 at the current price is quite a good deal.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

> I'm thinking about giving UT14 a go.

I don't know about UK prices, but currently the 1400 is on sale in 
the US for $199.99.

>...
> How does the gamut of UT14 compare to UT2 and UT3D? 
> I am guessing its closer to UT3D - correct?

There is no sepia in the UT14 mix as sold.  One could put sepia in 
the Y position and have about the same useable gamut as the UT2.  An 
additional difference, however, is that the cool UT14 toner is not as 
cold as the UT2 toner.  But the extreme coldness the UT2 could 
achieve was not particularly useful and made profiling more difficult.

Note also that the 1400 prints Eboni black only even smoother than 
the 1800.  For making the most archival prints, this may be a useful 
additional ability of the machine.  It also works well with Eboni-6 
for those interested in a smoother 100% carbon pigment solution.

> Also, can anyone comment on the reliability of UT14 in the 1400? 
> I am a little scared given my experience with the 1290, which 
> is a dye printer, and so is the 1400.

The 220 was a dye printer also, and it was reliable.  I think Epson 
took care of the 1280/90 clogging problem on all printers after that 
date.

> ... it looks like there may be paper feed problems, ...

Mine loads Photo Rag 308 with no manual assistance.  Premier Art 325, 
however, is a stretch.  One difference I've noticed is that pre-
feeding with the paper feed button on the machine simple sends the 
paper all the way through.  Aside from that difference, my 1400 is 
about the best desktop Epson I've had.

> If UT14 is as easy to
> manage as UT3D then this will be great news.

It's easier.  The 3D space is harder to profile.  

The 1400 at the current price is quite a good deal.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

I am coming into this a bit late, but I have had the same problem with 
the same printer with a CIS.  In my case the problem was compounded by 
the fact that after each head clean I would get gaps in the nozzle 
check pattern than were hard to clear.  I'm fairly certain that air 
was getting in during the head clean.  Sometimes an auto head clean 
would clear the problem and sometimes not. It made printing a very 
stop / start affair, and consumed a lot of ink, i.e. even more than 
usual for an R2400.  

The supplier sent me a replacement set of CIS cartridges.  I haven't 
had the same problem since, but I've not been using the R2400 so much 
lately, and I now leave the printer on.  Doesn't seem to cause clogs, 
and I think it reduces the number of head cleans a little.  I'm fairly 
certain that the problem in both our cases is/was faulty chips.  I'd 
be interested to know which CIS you have and when you got it.  They 
may be the same.  Perhaps you could email me.

However I still have the problem of every head clean that the printer 
insists on doing created gaps in the nozzle pattern, and I'm at a bit 
of a loss to understand why.  I've had this problem with this printer 
with two sets of CIS carts and a broadly similar problem with a set of 
refillable cartidges.  It seems to me that it's the printer.  Ever so 
slightly smaller ink nipples?  Head cleaning suction too strong?  
Anyone got any ideas?

Brian Dwn


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" 
<madpaddleris@...> wrote:
>
> Denis & Tom:
> 
> Thanks for all your help.  I think I will first contact the people 
> who sold me my CIS before I start messing with the chips.
> 
> Thanks again and I will let you know how this all works out.
> 
> Bill LaFever
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "the_des_bois" 
> <thedesbois@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Bill,
> > 
> > A couple of months ago I would have asked the same question. We all
> > have to ask in order to learn. Then we can help others.
> > 
> > I'll direct you to this page:
> > http://www.alotofthings.com/viartshop/article.php?
> category_id=10&article_id=270
> > 
> > Looks scary cause he uses the tip of an X-Acto blade. But really 
> there
> > is nothing to it as long as you do it with care. Most important 
part

> > is not touching the chips surface. 
> > 
> > But they're not that fragile. I've swapped many chips... and never 
> got
> > any problem. And they are easy to find in the form of empty OEM 
> carts.
> > The autoreset ones you have to buy but again their easy to find.
> > 
> > I use rubber cement to fix the chips. Just a little.
> > 
> > Important too: make sure you remember which is which... one removed
> > better place the chip on a post it with cart name on it and chip 
> type.
> > OEM have the Epson word written on them.
> > 
> > Good luck!
> > 
> > Denis
>

A lot depends on how you do the cleaning.  If it's AUTO, you may be 
wasting a lot of ink.  It's a PITA any way you look at it.

I have found that after a nozzle check--clean--nozzle check, the 
original head may be good but another one is showing misses.  On and on, 
I had six run throughs the other day after refilling carts.

HOWEVER, after one of those fiascos I always run a head alignment. In 
this case AUTO is okay.

Seth
=====================
Posted by: "brian_downunda"  brian_downunda@...     brian_downunda
Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:41 am (PDT)


...However I still have the problem of every head clean that the printer
insists on doing created gaps in the nozzle pattern, and I'm at a bit
of a loss to understand why. I've had this problem with this printer
with two sets of CIS carts and a broadly similar problem with a set of
refillable cartidges. It seems to me that it's the printer. Ever so
slightly smaller ink nipples? Head cleaning suction too strong?
Anyone got any ideas?

Brian Dwn

Paul

Thanks for your reply. Some small replies and questions.

> One could put sepia in
> the Y position and have about the same useable gamut as the UT2.  An
> additional difference, however, is that the cool UT14 toner is not as
> cold as the UT2 toner.  But the extreme coldness the UT2 could
> achieve was not particularly useful and made profiling more difficult.

OK - this sounds good. You are right, I didn't use the blue end of UT2 when
I had it. Would a UT2 Yellow position ink be the right sepia ink to get? As
far as I remember this was the sepia one.

> Note also that the 1400 prints Eboni black only even smoother than the
>1800.  For making the most archival prints, this may be a useful additional
>ability of the machine.  It also works well with Eboni-6 for those
>interested in a smoother 100% carbon pigment solution.

This smoothness and the extra ability here is very convincing!

> The 220 was a dye printer also, and it was reliable.  I think Epson
> took care of the 1280/90 clogging problem on all printers after that
> date.
> 
I forgot the 220 was a dye printer. I never used it for anything but UT3D,
and it has performed well for over 2 years now. Given that I have had the
220 and a C86 (with EZ ink in it) perform well for 2 years +, sometimes also
with long times of disuse, does indeed indicate that the reliability is
sorted out. Any gaps in a nozzle check are swiftly dealt with by a few
cleaning cycles. Also, I don't think you see so many "clog from hell" posts
on the list as in previous years.

On a side note, one thing I have found is that sometimes the colour balance
drifts on the 220 and the C86, usually after they have sat unused for a
while. A set of cleaning cycles (max 3 usually) is enough to bring it back
correct again. I suppose this is to be expected - if you leave the printer
for a while, the ink settles and does not all come back at the same rate
when you use the printer. The cleaning pulls the ink through and gets the
colour back to spec.

> 
> > If UT14 is as easy to
> > manage as UT3D then this will be great news.
> 
> It's easier.  The 3D space is harder to profile.

Sounds good indeed. I'm looking forward to playing with UT14, and getting
the means of good quality A3 printing back. I think I had better order the
inks quickly before the pound slides any more against the dollar!
 
Thanks again

Steve

Steve,


> > One could put sepia in the Y position and have about 
> > the same useable gamut as the UT2.  

> ... Would a UT2 Yellow position ink be the right sepia ink to get?

Yes, UT2/7 sepia (Y position) should work in the 1400.  


>... I don't think you see so many "clog from hell" posts
> on the list as in previous years.

The printers are definitely better in this respect.  The 1280 was 
just not particularly compatible with pigments, but it was all we had 
at the time. Oddly, some had very good luck with them.  I threw out 2 
of them.

>... I think I had better order the inks quickly before the 
> pound slides any more against the dollar!

You can also get a real good deal on a Hummer these days.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

The cleaning that I'm referring to are the ones after chip resets 
(auto reset chips in the CIS) and the ones that the printer does 
itself from time to time.  I.e.  the ones that you simply can't 
prevent, even if you leave the printer on, as I do.  The timing is 
therefore random, and always occurs just as I am about to do a burst 
of printing.

Sometimes an auto head clean is the best way to deal with this, 
because purge patterns don't seem to make an impact.  However on 
other occasions the auto head clean makes it far, far worse.  Then 
it's a case of waiting for a day or two and doing purge patterns.

If it's a case of freshly refilled carts, I suspect that you'd be 
better of waiting a day or so to let the bubbles rise and then 
printing a purge pattern or two or three.

For a CIS, especially on an 8 cartridge machine where resets are 
frequent, as there's always one chip about to reset, I had wondered 
about the benefits of switching to manual reset chips and resetting 
the lot when one is "empty".

Brian Dwn


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Seth Rossman 
<seth@...> wrote:
>
> A lot depends on how you do the cleaning.  If it's AUTO, you may 
be 
> wasting a lot of ink.  It's a PITA any way you look at it.
> 
> I have found that after a nozzle check--clean--nozzle check, the 
> original head may be good but another one is showing misses.  On 
and on, 
> I had six run throughs the other day after refilling carts.
> 
> HOWEVER, after one of those fiascos I always run a head alignment. 
In 
> this case AUTO is okay.
> 
> Seth
> =====================
> Posted by: "brian_downunda"  brian_downunda@...     brian_downunda
> Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:41 am (PDT)
> 
> 
> ...However I still have the problem of every head clean that the 
printer
> insists on doing created gaps in the nozzle pattern, and I'm at a 
bit
> of a loss to understand why. I've had this problem with this 
printer
> with two sets of CIS carts and a broadly similar problem with a 
set of

> refillable cartidges. It seems to me that it's the printer. Ever so
> slightly smaller ink nipples? Head cleaning suction too strong?
> Anyone got any ideas?
> 
> Brian Dwn
>