Digital BW, The Print

Can someone recommend a reasonably priced color profiling system?  I do not need a high 
end model, just one that will give me a reasonable equivalence between the screen and the 
print?

Also, a question:  can I profile two different screens run from a single computer?

Thanks for any suggestions.

Steve

Steve,
 
I have been very impressed witih the results I have gotten with the
ColorMunki   I have used it on my Monitors, and the 2200 and the 3800.  I
was never happy with the colors from the canned profiles on the 2200.  When
I got the 3800 I was very impressed.  After profiling the 2200 and the 3800
the prints were very similar.   I am a true believer.
 
I am just now trying to figure out how to use it with QTR which is all new
to me.......and I am a bit lost but I will get there.
 
Regards,
Paul

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Subject: [Digital BW] color profiler



Can someone recommend a reasonably priced color profiling system? I do not
need a high 
end model, just one that will give me a reasonable equivalence between the
screen and the 
print?

Also, a question: can I profile two different screens run from a single
computer?

Thanks for any suggestions.

Steve



 



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Hi,
I don't know which systems can profile dual monitors, but if you only need one calibrated monitor at a time, you can download the "Monitor Profile" icc loader program from X-Rite that lets you select the profile you want to use for your monitor. And then just switch between profiles as needed.

A free work-around, at any rate.

Good luck,
Richard

At 09:13 a.m. Wednesday 20/08/2008, you wrote:

>Can someone recommend a reasonably priced color profiling system? I do not need a high 
>end model, just one that will give me a reasonable equivalence between the screen and the 
>print?
>
>Also, a question: can I profile two different screens run from a single computer?
>
>Thanks for any suggestions.
>
>Steve
>
> 

Richard Smallfield Photography
http://smallfield.vze.com 

   "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; 
   an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty. " 
   --Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965) 


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Thanks Richard and Paul.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard
Smallfield <r.smallfield@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I don't know which systems can profile dual monitors, but if you
only need one calibrated monitor at a time, you can download the
"Monitor Profile" icc loader program from X-Rite that lets you select
the profile you want to use for your monitor. And then just switch
between profiles as needed.
> 
> A free work-around, at any rate.
> 
> Good luck,
> Richard
> 
> At 09:13 a.m. Wednesday 20/08/2008, you wrote:
> 
> >Can someone recommend a reasonably priced color profiling system? I
do not need a high 
> >end model, just one that will give me a reasonable equivalence
between the screen and the 
> >print?
> >
> >Also, a question: can I profile two different screens run from a
single computer?

> >
> >Thanks for any suggestions.
> >
> >Steve
> >
> > 
> 
> Richard Smallfield Photography
> http://smallfield.vze.com 
> 
>    "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; 
>    an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty. " 
>    --Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965) 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Kobrin" <kobrins@...> 
wrote:
>
> Can someone recommend a reasonably priced color profiling system?  I do not need a high 
> end model, just one that will give me a reasonable equivalence between the screen and the 
> print?

DataColor's Spyder3Studio produces better paper profiles than the ColorMunki...about the 
same price point.

> Also, a question:  can I profile two different screens run from a single computer?

If you are on a Mac multi monitor support is built-in. On Windows depends on graphic card 
installed and OS.

In a message dated 8/20/08 9:57:21 AM, jvlist@... writes:


> > Also, a question:  can I profile two different screens run from a single 
> computer?
> 
> If you are on a Mac multi monitor support is built-in. On Windows depends on 
> graphic card
> installed and OS.
> 
> 
There is seldom a problem under Windows if you use two (or more) separate 
videocards; its when you try to profile two displays on the same card that the 
answer is "maybe"... based mostly on which card.

C. David Tobie
WW Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor
CDTobie@...
www.datacolor.com/Spyder3


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I own a PrintFix Pro (same printer profiler hardware as in 
Spyder3Studio) and have upgraded it to Datacolor's latest software. I 
have found its profiles to be "OK", but for the papers I have tried to 
profile, I have perferred the profiles generated by others (usually 
made using Xrite/GretagMacbeth i1Photo). Discliamer: my results were in 
color and this is a B/W group.

I had considered trying ColorMunki, so I am curious as to the source of 
your belief that Spyder3Studio gives better results than ColorMunki. Is 
this based on personal experience, or reviews read elsewhere?

Thanks for the help!

Dave

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Vitollo" <
> DataColor's Spyder3Studio produces better paper profiles than the 
ColorMunki...about the same price point.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "davelasker" <dave@...> wrote:
>
> I had considered trying ColorMunki, so I am curious as to the source of 
> your belief that Spyder3Studio gives better results than ColorMunki. Is 
> this based on personal experience, or reviews read elsewhere?

I only own the PrintFixPro 2 but very happy with the paper profiles it produces.

Before PFP I used Bill Atkinson's profiles....but find PFP profiles "more better".

I've never used the ColorMunki, but have read the reviews of the ColorMunki profiles and 
they are a notch below PFP.

In a message dated 8/20/08 1:07:26 PM, jvlist@... writes:


> I've never used the ColorMunki, but have read the reviews of the ColorMunki 
> profiles and
> they are a notch below PFP.
> 

As you note, comparison articles have drawn that conclusion. I can agree, 
from my own testing.

Its also worth noting that ColorMunki software is intentionally limited; 
there are no settings possible for display profiling or printer profiling, so even 
if the default results aren't bad, over time a user is likely to want more 
adjustability, more advanced options etc; which would be available from Spyder3 
products, but with the ColorMunki, you have no options available, and no 
upgrade capabilities, you have to move up to a different product line. The 
Spyder3Studio feature set is much more like that of the much more expensive EyeOne 
product line, while the price is much closer to the ColorMunki, so for those 
interested in features and controls at an affordable price, its quite compelling.

C. David Tobie
WW Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor
CDTobie@...
www.datacolor.com/Spyder3


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In a message dated 8/20/08 12:46:40 PM, dave@... writes:


> 
> I had considered trying ColorMunki, so I am curious as to the source of
> your belief that Spyder3Studio gives better results than ColorMunki. Is
> 
> this based on personal experience, or reviews read elsewhere?
> 

ColorMunki works with a limited number of color patches. So its results are 
more similar to Spyder3Print at 150 patches (I'm being generous, the ColorMunki 
uses 50 or 100 patches), than what Spyder3Print offers at 225, 729 or other 
advanced target choices. The ColorMunki results are also limited to working 
with the Perceptual intent, unless you are in an Adobe application that offers 
Black Point Compensation. A print made from Relative Colorimetric without 
Adobe's BPC function is severely clogged in the shadows. Actually, ColorMunki 
shadows are a bit too clogged for my taste at ANY setting. The real problem is that 
there are no controls for this; if I want more open shadows in a Spyder3Print 
or PrintFIX PRO profile (or make any number of other adjustments), I move a 
slider, and rebuild the profile in four seconds. There are not adjustment 
options with ColorMunki.

C. David Tobie
WW Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor
CDTobie@...
www.datacolor.com/Spyder3


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John,

> I've never used the ColorMunki, but have read the reviews of the 
ColorMunki profiles and 
> they are a notch below PFP.
>

Do you recall where you read about that comparison?

Andrew Rodney thought the profiles created by Colormunki are pretty 
good.

Thanks,

Don Bryant

I have not used the Color Munki for b/w.   I can tell you that for color it
made a 
³Substantial² improvement for me on the 2200 with standard ink.   On the
3800 there was a ³Noticeable² improvement.

Next I will see how it works on b/w.

Paul

On 8/21/08 8:30 PM, "donbga" <dsbryant@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>  
>  
> 
> John,
> 
>> > I've never used the ColorMunki, but have read the reviews of the
> ColorMunki profiles and
>> > they are a notch below PFP.
>> >
> 
> Do you recall where you read about that comparison?
> 
> Andrew Rodney thought the profiles created by Colormunki are pretty
> good.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Don Bryant
> 
>  
>          



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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "donbga" <dsbryant@...> wrote:
>
> John,
> 
> > I've never used the ColorMunki, but have read the reviews of the 
> ColorMunki profiles and 
> > they are a notch below PFP.
> >
> 
> Do you recall where you read about that comparison?
> 
> Andrew Rodney thought the profiles created by Colormunki are pretty 
> good.


Hi Don,

Here's one... Keith's:

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/reviews/profiling/colormunki.html

Keith wrote "The printer profiling produced very usable results on my standard 'awkward' test printer - an 
HP K80 with third party inks, 3rd party photo paper and using open source drivers on an Apple Mac.

Not exhibition quality stuff, but if it can get a reasonable profile from that lot then it shows promise."

There was another via Apple's colorsync group done by a color guru...can't find it at this time and rated PFP 
paper provfiles better than the ColorMunki.

> Andrew Rodney thought the profiles created by Colormunki are pretty  good.

Well he's a consultant with them...

Of course David Tobe works for DataVision.

I work for only myself! 8-}