Digital BW, The Print

My old Cathode Ray monster is starting to flicker in the bottom right
hnd cnr.   This probably means it's going on the blink before too long. 
All the screens today seem to be LCD's which are much too constrasty for
my work. I can't seem to judge anything on them!  Are CRT's still
available, and if not, how do I solve the problem of working with an
LCD?
thanks!
Visit my website? <http://www.seasonsofthemoon.com>



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> From: yaakovsinclair
>
> My old Cathode Ray monster is starting to flicker in the bottom right
> hnd cnr.   This probably means it's going on the blink before too long.
> All the screens today seem to be LCD's which are much too constrasty for
> my work. I can't seem to judge anything on them!  Are CRT's still
> available, and if not, how do I solve the problem of working with an
> LCD?

A properly calibrated LCD should have exactly the same contrast and color as
a properly calibrated CRT. That's what calibration does. So you need a
decent monitor calibrator.

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Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

You can still get CRTs of all sizes cheaply on Ebay. The problem is
usually shipping costs - large CRT monitors are very heavy.

On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 8:18 AM, yaakovsinclair <sinclair@...> wrote:
> My old Cathode Ray monster is starting to flicker in the bottom right
> hnd cnr.   This probably means it's going on the blink before too long.
> All the screens today seem to be LCD's which are much too constrasty for
> my work. I can't seem to judge anything on them!  Are CRT's still
> available, and if not, how do I solve the problem of working with an
> LCD?
> thanks!

I think you need to do some research. Todays higher end LCDs are even  
better then CRTs for getting monitor to print matching. Look at the  
Eizos. There is a reason they don't make CRTs anymore. I would never  
want to go backwards.

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Apr 5, 2009, at 3:18 AM, yaakovsinclair wrote:

> My old Cathode Ray monster is starting to flicker in the bottom right
> hnd cnr.   This probably means it's going on the blink before too  
> long.
> All the screens today seem to be LCD's which are much too constrasty  
> for
> my work. I can't seem to judge anything on them!  Are CRT's still
> available, and if not, how do I solve the problem of working with an
> LCD?
> thanks!
> Visit my website? <http://www.seasonsofthemoon.com>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "yaakovsinclair" <sinclair@...> wrote:
>
> My old Cathode Ray monster is starting to flicker in the bottom right
> hnd cnr.   This probably means it's going on the blink before too long. 
> All the screens today seem to be LCD's which are much too constrasty for
> my work. I can't seem to judge anything on them!  Are CRT's still
> available, and if not, how do I solve the problem of working with an
> LCD?
> thanks!
> Visit my website? <http://www.seasonsofthemoon.com>
> 
> 
> 
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I find a well calibrated LCD fine for assessing tonality and color when comparing monitor to print.  Where I noticed the biggest difference is assessing sharpening.  LCDs and CRTs seem different in this respect, and it is just a matter of getting used to it.  In my opinion, neither accurately portrays sharpening in the finished print, so it is just experience with your monitor and printed results.  

Lou

On Apr 5, 2009, at 3:18 AM, yaakovsinclair wrote:

> My old Cathode Ray monster is starting to flicker in the bottom right
> hnd cnr.   This probably means it's going on the blink before too  
> long.
> All the screens today seem to be LCD's which are much too constrasty  
> for
> my work. I can't seem to judge anything on them!  Are CRT's still
> available, and if not, how do I solve the problem of working with an
> LCD?

LCDs are only too contrasty if you let them be. It takes a bit of time  
to adjust to a new display type, but if you control the display and  
the ambient lighting appropriately an LCD will show you a good  
representation of your image. In face, they are sharper than CRTs,  
especially old CRTs, and don't flicker, so they cause less eye  
fatigue, as long as you calibrate them so that they don't cause glare.

C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
CDTobie@...


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I've purchased two different 21's off eBay, and also got one from a friend who went LCD. They are not throw-away electronics and can be repaired. Could be just a leaky capacitor. My Mitsi 91TXM has had some flicker phases but has been stable for several months. I managed to swap a CRT from another brand many years ago - just making sure the connections were the same - so it's far from rocket science. 

gar

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On 4/5/2009 at 7:18 AM yaakovsinclair wrote:

>My old Cathode Ray monster is starting to flicker in the bottom right
>hnd cnr.   This probably means it's going on the blink before too long. 
>All the screens today seem to be LCD's which are much too constrasty for
>my work. I can't seem to judge anything on them!  Are CRT's still
>available, and if not, how do I solve the problem of working with an
>LCD?
>thanks!
>Visit my website? <http://www.seasonsofthemoon.com>

I held off getting rid of my CRT's for a long time, but eventually they 
got too dim..  To replace them, I gotta Dell 2909WA.  I like it, cheap 
as it is, better than the old Sony and Samsung CRTs.  22" is a nice 
size, being big enough for multiple windows, but not monstrously big 
like a 26" or 30". Viewing angles are very good.  Calibrated color is 
also quite good.  Sharpening web images on it gives a more realistic 
impression of what other people will see, as LCDs predominate.  My CRT's 
required much more sharpening for the image to look sharp on screen.  
When those files are viewed on an LCD, they look over sharpened.