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2009-10-07 by faeofavalon
Hi gang - I just read about Hahnemuhle's new FineArt sugar cane paper and I am dying to try it. I love the bamboo. Tyler was mentioned in the article as being the official printer of the rainforest exhibit sponsored by Sony (if I read that correctly) and printed the 30 x 40 prints on the sugarcane paper. Tyler, is it really that good? Congratulations, by the way! That is some honor! AnnMarie www.annmarietornabene.net
2009-10-07 by tboleyyh
is it really what good????<G> It's darn tootin' good. Base hue similar to WillyT, textured but a bit less granular, gamut and densities in line with other good inkjet papers, no OBs, per the big H- "in compliance with DIN 6738, ISO 9706, ANSI Z 39.48-1992 are acid free with a pH value between 7.5 and 9.5, have been buffered against environmental pollution according to DIN 9706 with a 4% calcium carbonate (CaCO3) content." for what that's worth... Prints look nice, and more importantly, the paper was totally appropriate for this project, don't you think? In fact, given the work and intent, it seemed almost impossible to NOT use it... I had run some quick tests months ago, and John Dean convinced me to give it another try, thankfully. Bamboo is very nice too, slightly different look, perhaps a bit more gamut and dmax, and also "green", at least compared to many other papers... I'm not really the official printer, just for 2 of the shows, Daniel has been remarkably supportive and loyal and uses me when he has any say in the matter. I don't know how the other shows were produced. Tyler --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "faeofavalon" <faeofavalon@...> wrote:
> > Hi gang - > > I just read about Hahnemuhle's new FineArt sugar cane paper and I am dying to try it. I love the bamboo. > > Tyler was mentioned in the article as being the official printer of the rainforest exhibit sponsored by Sony (if I read that correctly) and printed the 30 x 40 prints on the sugarcane paper. Tyler, is it really that good? Congratulations, by the way! That is some honor! > > AnnMarie > www.annmarietornabene.net >
2009-10-08 by faeofavalon
Thanks for the info, Tyler. Hahnemuhle will be at the NY Photo show the end of this month so I will have to look at the results then. Atlex has it priced nicely, though you can not get it in 8.5x11. (Not that I want to print that small anyway) AnnMarie --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "tboleyyh" <tyler@...> wrote:
> > is it really what good????<G> > > It's darn tootin' good. Base hue similar to WillyT, textured but a bit less granular, gamut and densities in line with other good inkjet papers, no OBs, per the big H- > "in compliance with DIN 6738, ISO 9706, ANSI Z 39.48-1992 > are acid free with a pH value between 7.5 and 9.5, > have been buffered against environmental pollution according to DIN 9706 > with a 4% calcium carbonate (CaCO3) content." > > for what that's worth... > Prints look nice, and more importantly, the paper was totally appropriate for this project, don't you think? In fact, given the work and intent, it seemed almost impossible to NOT use it... > I had run some quick tests months ago, and John Dean convinced me to give it another try, thankfully. > > Bamboo is very nice too, slightly different look, perhaps a bit more gamut and dmax, and also "green", at least compared to many other papers... > > I'm not really the official printer, just for 2 of the shows, Daniel has been remarkably supportive and loyal and uses me when he has any say in the matter. I don't know how the other shows were produced. > > Tyler > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "faeofavalon" <faeofavalon@> wrote: > > > > Hi gang - > > > > I just read about Hahnemuhle's new FineArt sugar cane paper and I am dying to try it. I love the bamboo. > > > > Tyler was mentioned in the article as being the official printer of the rainforest exhibit sponsored by Sony (if I read that correctly) and printed the 30 x 40 prints on the sugarcane paper. Tyler, is it really that good? Congratulations, by the way! That is some honor! > > > > AnnMarie > > www.annmarietornabene.net > > >
2009-10-08 by john
Irving Penn passed away at 92 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/08/irving-penn-photographer-dies
2009-10-08 by Iric S
It is not mentioned in the article, but he alsocreated a lot of avant-guarde and experimental work. Check the search engines for examples. Iric --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john" <deanwork2003@...> wrote:
> > Irving Penn passed away at 92 > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/08/irving-penn-photographer-dies >
2009-10-08 by johnvphoto
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john" <deanwork2003@...> wrote: > > Irving Penn passed away at 92 > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/08/irving-penn-photographer-dies Bummer! One of my favorite Photographers.
2009-10-09 by Steve Woolfenden
Now that's a shame - That picture of his with the guy[Stravinsky , I think?] sitting at a grand piano with the lid up looking like musical note is a classic... Steve
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john Sent: 08 October 2009 04:46 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Irving Penn Irving Penn passed away at 92 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/08/irving-penn-photographer-dies [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-10-09 by john
That was Arnold Newman. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m, "Steve Woolfenden" <swoolf@...> wrote:
> > Now that's a shame - That picture of his with the guy[Stravinsky , I think?] > sitting at a grand piano with the lid up looking like musical note is a > classic... > Steve > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john > Sent: 08 October 2009 04:46 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Irving Penn > > > Irving Penn passed away at 92 > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/08/irving-penn-photographer-dies > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2009-10-09 by Mark Savoia
Also dead. What masters are left? Mark http://www.stillrivereditions.com
On Oct 9, 2009, at 10:27 AM, john wrote: > That was Arnold Newman. > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steve > Woolfenden" <swoolf@...> wrote: >> >> Now that's a shame - That picture of his with the guy[Stravinsky , >> I think?] >> sitting at a grand piano with the lid up looking like musical note >> is a >> classic... >> Steve >> >> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com >> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of >> john >> Sent: 08 October 2009 04:46 PM >> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [Digital BW] Irving Penn >> >> >> Irving Penn passed away at 92 >> >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/08/irving-penn-photographer-dies >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed > from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > Owner and Moderators. See “Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines” in the > Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE > “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL > NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH > DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR > ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR > CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; > OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO > GROUP. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
2009-10-09 by Steve Woolfenden
Geez , of course it was , I'm having one of those days.. Steve[I need a drink!]
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john Sent: 09 October 2009 04:27 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Irving Penn That was Arnold Newman. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> , "Steve Woolfenden" <swoolf@...> wrote: > > Now that's a shame - That picture of his with the guy[Stravinsky , I think?] > sitting at a grand piano with the lid up looking like musical note is a > classic... > Steve > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of john > Sent: 08 October 2009 04:46 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Digital BW] Irving Penn > > > Irving Penn passed away at 92 > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/08/irving-penn-photographer-dies > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-10-09 by john
Paul Caponigro. Not in any way to be confused with his son. .> wrote:
> > Also dead. What masters are left? > > Mark > http://www.stillrivereditions.com
2009-10-09 by C D Tobie
On Oct 9, 2009, at 12:46 PM, john wrote: > Paul Caponigro. Not in any way to be confused with his son. I can't help but notice the degree of emphasis you use there... I had a girlfriend in high school whose family's summer place as a couple door's down from the Wyeth's. Her great aunt was Christina Olson, as in "Christina's World". So as a young art student I was steeped in Wyeth, but also in Caponigro. He shot a large number of images of the Olson farm (which my girlfriend's family simply referred to as "the family farm"), and printed many of them on early high contrast B&W paper. Funny how we internalize that stuff, and its with us for a lifetime. A couple of years ago I won a photo competition. A lot of people sent me congrats, often with comments, but the one that just floored me was from our company's color scientist. Not the person I would expect penetrating artistic analysis from. But he commented that he saw a good deal of Wyeth in the image. Once he said it, of course, it could not have been more obvious! That detailed, scratchy egg tempera hay in Christina's world was clearly involved in my color, sharpness and other decisions in processing that image, even though it was shot in Tuscany, not Maine. Similarly, I can't process an image of weathered wood, without those high contrast B&Ws of Caponigro's urging me towards more contrast, and more texture! Can't say that his son John Paul has effected me on that level, expect perhaps negatively; by producing an aversion to symmetrical images produced by mirroring... C. David Tobie Global Product Technology Manager Digital Imaging & Home Theater CDTobie@... ---------- Datacolor www.datacolor.com/Spyder3 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-10-09 by sagaface
I find all that you have written strangely moving. It's so hard to ever predict what will infiltrate the unconscious and live there, shaping so much of what we do, so often without our awareness, so often in opposition to what we are conscious of. I had the good fortune of becoming friends with Paul Caponigro while living in Maine. I got to visit his studio, check out his darkroom and look at many original prints, a lot of them early work. I had to confess that I had never been a huge fan, but by the time I left Maine I had become one, and that was because he taught me how to really look into his photographs, not in a direct way, but by being in his presence: from simply hanging out on the rocks in the harbor, talking about his other love, the piano, the weather, the people we both knew, or not talking at all. His life experiences and the manner in which he spoke about them on those afternoons made his photographs come alive for me in a way that I know will last forever and probably inform what I do whether I know it or not. And John Paul's work is so different. I, too, miss the profundity of it but it's clear that is there for many people. Thanks for writing what you did. It's delicious food for thought and a good story! Sarah --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, C D Tobie <CDTobie@...> wrote:
> > > On Oct 9, 2009, at 12:46 PM, john wrote: > > > Paul Caponigro. Not in any way to be confused with his son. > > I can't help but notice the degree of emphasis you use there... > > I had a girlfriend in high school whose family's summer place as a > couple door's down from the Wyeth's. Her great aunt was Christina > Olson, as in "Christina's World". So as a young art student I was > steeped in Wyeth, but also in Caponigro. He shot a large number of > images of the Olson farm (which my girlfriend's family simply referred > to as "the family farm"), and printed many of them on early high > contrast B&W paper. Funny how we internalize that stuff, and its with > us for a lifetime. > > A couple of years ago I won a photo competition. A lot of people sent > me congrats, often with comments, but the one that just floored me was > from our company's color scientist. Not the person I would expect > penetrating artistic analysis from. But he commented that he saw a > good deal of Wyeth in the image. Once he said it, of course, it could > not have been more obvious! That detailed, scratchy egg tempera hay in > Christina's world was clearly involved in my color, sharpness and > other decisions in processing that image, even though it was shot in > Tuscany, not Maine. Similarly, I can't process an image of weathered > wood, without those high contrast B&Ws of Caponigro's urging me > towards more contrast, and more texture! Can't say that his son John > Paul has effected me on that level, expect perhaps negatively; by > producing an aversion to symmetrical images produced by mirroring... > > C. David Tobie > Global Product Technology Manager > Digital Imaging & Home Theater > CDTobie@... > > > ---------- > > > > Datacolor > www.datacolor.com/Spyder3 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2009-10-10 by Cdtobie
>>And John Paul's work is so different. I, too, miss the profundity of it but it's clear that is there for many people. It may be unfair for us to ask a younger generation to effect us at as deep a level. We are fully formed before we see their work. I don't find Jamie Wyeth's work to be ingrained in my worldview as his father's, and even his grandfather's are. N. C.'s children's book illustrations effected me from early childhood. Old Pew on his pegleg delivering the black dot haunts my dreams! John Paul is a thoughtful photographer grappling with powerful concepts in interesting ways. I might run into him in midcoast traffic, but I've never run into him in my dreams. C. D. Tobie Global Product Technology Mngr. Digital Imaging & Home Theater Datacolor.com CDTobie@... On Oct 9, 2009, at 6:20 PM, "sagaface" <sagaface@...> wrote: > And John Paul's work is so different. I, too, miss the profundity of > it but it's clear that is there for many people. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-10-10 by john
What, powerful concepts? If knocking off Jerry Uelsman's 1960's ideas in Photoshop, where it is elementary, is considered profound than I give up. j
> John Paul is a thoughtful photographer grappling with powerful > concepts in interesting ways. I might run into him in midcoast > traffic, but I've never run into him in my dreams. > > C. D. Tobie > Global Product Technology Mngr. > Digital Imaging & Home Theater > Datacolor.com > CDTobie@... > > On Oct 9, 2009, at 6:20 PM, "sagaface" <sagaface@...> wrote: > > > And John Paul's work is so different. I, too, miss the profundity of > > it but it's clear that is there for many people. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2009-10-10 by CorrPro96@aol.com
In a message dated 10/9/2009 10:01:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, deanwork2003@... writes: What, powerful concepts? If knocking off Jerry Uelsman's 1960's ideas in Photoshop, where it is elementary, is considered profound than I give up. j John: Thanks for the laugh. I bought the GTI viewer @ 400. It's a beaut. Rich _www.rmassiephotography.com_ (http://www.rmassiephotography.com) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-10-10 by Cdtobie
>>What, powerful concepts? If knocking off Jerry Uelsman's 1960's ideas in Photoshop, where it is elementary, is considered profound than I give up. Profound doesn't necessarily mean unique, it can mean dealing with fundamental issues. I'll give John Paul that. I am not a big fan of Modernist archiecture, but studying it did teach me that the more you strip away from something, the more powerful the few remaining elements become. A J P Caponigro image of a horizon and a bit of cloud might not be something I find engaging, but it does set the stage very clearly for a statement about symmetry. And if all I take away from that is a personal note to not use that trick myself, then that just shows that I'm after very different things in my own work. C. D. Tobie Global Product Technology Mngr. Digital Imaging & Home Theater Datacolor.com CDTobie@...
On Oct 9, 2009, at 10:00 PM, "john" <deanwork2003@...> wrote: > What, powerful concepts? If knocking off Jerry Uelsman's 1960's > ideas in Photoshop, where it is elementary, is considered profound > than I give up. > > j > > > > >> John Paul is a thoughtful photographer grappling with powerful >> concepts in interesting ways. I might run into him in midcoast >> traffic, but I've never run into him in my dreams. >> >> C. D. Tobie >> Global Product Technology Mngr. >> Digital Imaging & Home Theater >> Datacolor.com >> CDTobie@... >> >> On Oct 9, 2009, at 6:20 PM, "sagaface" <sagaface@...> wrote: >> >>> And John Paul's work is so different. I, too, miss the profundity of >>> it but it's clear that is there for many people. >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed > from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > Owner and Moderators. See “Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines” in > the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE “OWNE > R” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL > NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DA > MAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE L > OSSES (EVEN IF THE “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH D > AMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIG > ITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTER > ATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF > ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) AN > Y OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >