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Thanks!

I know this is going to quiver some lips here, but why would 
anyone need an ANALOG delay when didgital delays are so 
abundantly more functional?

I am an analog headback  from the days when  most of your 
parents hadn't even met each other yet...but I think some things 
are better left to one's and zero's than the voltages in between.

I would like to see Dieter's R+D effrots going into other areas 
personally.

OK, lemme have it.

Peter

Hi Peter and all the others,

> I know this is going to quiver some lips here, but why would
> anyone need an ANALOG delay when didgital delays are so
> abundantly more functional?
I own both (Sony D7, Korg SDD-1200, VestaFire on the digital side and a
Dynacord VRS-23 with so called "Bucket Bridge Devices" as delay chips on
the analogue side) and I have to admit I love(!) the sound of the Dynacord.
I use the VRS-23 in every mix. It makes every sound warm and rich; similar
to the unreached Roland Dimension-D.

But: The Dynacord uses very advanced circuits. There is a Kompander, a
Hi-Freq Adaption and a very sensitive tunable input circuit for the BBDs. A
simple BBD Delay, that lacks all this effort, does sound like someone here
described the corresponding AS-Module: "it sounds always like Adrian
Belew".

So the R+D Effort would be quite high. Also I fear, that it is quite
uncertain whether BBDs will stay in production for a longer period - which
is a NoGo-argument for every producer.

And finally we have to see, that with the A-112 already provides the
possibility of a digital delay.

So I subscribe Peters view:
> I would like to see Dieter's R+D effrots going into other areas
> personally.

Florian
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On 5/29/02 10:25 AM, "petergrenader" <petergrenader@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I know this is going to quiver some lips here, but why would
> anyone need an ANALOG delay when didgital delays are so
> abundantly more functional?

hmmmm.... I love analog and digital delays but the sound just isn't  related
enough at all to compare the two. Tey are two different beasts, just as old
dig delays share nothing with modern ones.

A dopefur analog delay would be welcome, but  what could it offer that the
Blacet doesn't?  and the scarce availability of the BBD chips seems to
cancel out the possibility of it being more affordable.
I'm interested, but is this really something Doepfer is considering? or what
is the point of the poll?

Well, Digital Delays are a very mixed bag, but I would prefer Doepfer look
into a modular dig delay over an analog one, a modular dig delay could be
excellent and affordable, but a focus on the sound quality and not length of
delay would be great. A dig delay with lots of cv control could be amazing,
and doepfer is probably the best manufacturer(right size) to pull something
like that off.

best,
phil

I don't think that an analog delay with relative short delay time is that what tthe most of us want.
I'm using the analog delay from BigBriar, newly known as moog music, and it has a delay time of about 0.8 sec
and a very good sound. It has the quality and the sound I want to have, but the price was a nightmare.
To reach this quality, Mr. Doepfer has to search for very high-priced parts to build in, because neither the blacet nor the AS
planned module will do the job of Bob Moogs MF-104, and less I wouldn't want.
Owning a good digital delay like the TC Electronics D-Two or the new one from Line6 with their filtering options is the solution
for the non-owners of a very good, but high-priced analog delay.
best regards
Axel

Am 01.06.02 07:48:37, schrieb "p. hendricks" <ph@attbi.com>:

>On 5/29/02 10:25 AM, "petergrenader" <petergrenader@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I know this is going to quiver some lips here, but why would
>> anyone need an ANALOG delay when didgital delays are so
>> abundantly more functional?
>
>hmmmm.... I love analog and digital delays but the sound just isn't  related
>enough at all to compare the two. Tey are two different beasts, just as old
>dig delays share nothing with modern ones.
>
>A dopefur analog delay would be welcome, but  what could it offer that the
>Blacet doesn't?  and the scarce availability of the BBD chips seems to
>cancel out the possibility of it being more affordable.
>I'm interested, but is this really something Doepfer is considering? or what
>is the point of the poll?
>
>Well, Digital Delays are a very mixed bag, but I would prefer Doepfer look
>into a modular dig delay over an analog one, a modular dig delay could be
>excellent and affordable, but a focus on the sound quality and not length of
>delay would be great. A dig delay with lots of cv control could be amazing,
>and doepfer is probably the best manufacturer(right size) to pull something
>like that off.
>
>best,
>phil
>
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On 5/31/02 11:19 PM, "phaedra@t-online.de" <phaedra@t-online.de> wrote:

> I don't think that an analog delay with relative short delay time is that what
> tthe most of us want.
> I'm using the analog delay from BigBriar, newly known as moog music, and it
> has a delay time of about 0.8 sec
> and a very good sound. It has the quality and the sound I want to have, but
> the price was a nightmare.
> To reach this quality, Mr. Doepfer has to search for very high-priced parts to
> build in, because neither the blacet nor the AS

but the MoogerFooger doesn't come close to the Blacet in terms of of CV
control. And sadly, none of the the others... it's the CV control that makes
modular analog delays so great, just like all other "modular" modules, and
that's why it would be great to have a digital delay that's modular! with CV
for all sorts of things. The TC, Line 6... and all I've seen fall way short
of offering this.
best,
phil

The CV-Control is an argument, but the moogerfooger has the important CV-Controls in my opinion,
feedback, time, and mix. And you have the option to insert a chain of other modules or moogerfoogers
to modulate the delay sound.
And believe me, the more knobs or inputs you have the less you use it, at last you are only doing the things
the MF 104 has.
For me a warm and clean sound with the usual parameters is more important than thousands of possible patches.
One of my preferred patches with the analog delay ist to modulate the time parameter by a lfo very subtile, so you get
a pitch control on the delay sound like in the beginning of Tangerine Dream's Rubycon Part II (the mellotron choir).
All the best
Axel

Am 01.06.02 08:30:04, schrieb "p. hendricks" <ph@attbi.com>:

>On 5/31/02 11:19 PM, "phaedra@t-online.de" <phaedra@t-online.de> wrote:
>
>> I don't think that an analog delay with relative short delay time is that what
>> tthe most of us want.
>> I'm using the analog delay from BigBriar, newly known as moog music, and it
>> has a delay time of about 0.8 sec
>> and a very good sound. It has the quality and the sound I want to have, but
>> the price was a nightmare.
>> To reach this quality, Mr. Doepfer has to search for very high-priced parts to
>> build in, because neither the blacet nor the AS
>
>but the MoogerFooger doesn't come close to the Blacet in terms of of CV
>control. And sadly, none of the the others... it's the CV control that makes
>modular analog delays so great, just like all other "modular" modules, and
>that's why it would be great to have a digital delay that's modular! with CV
>for all sorts of things. The TC, Line 6... and all I've seen fall way short
>of offering this.
>best,
>phil
>
>
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The Moog delay has gone out of production :(

I'm currently leaning toward the Line 6 delay myself. 

The Line 6 also works as a 60 second looper, so it would be able to 
free up my A100 when I need a second modular patch in an arrangement. 
I was originally thinking of getting the Electrix Repeater for this 
job, but might rather kill two birds with one stone.

Joe

--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., phaedra@t... wrote:
> The CV-Control is an argument, but the moogerfooger has the 
important CV-Controls in my opinion,
> feedback, time, and mix. And you have the option to insert a chain 
of other modules or moogerfoogers
> to modulate the delay sound.
> And believe me, the more knobs or inputs you have the less you use 
it, at last you are only doing the things
> the MF 104 has.
> For me a warm and clean sound with the usual parameters is more 
important than thousands of possible patches.
> One of my preferred patches with the analog delay ist to modulate 
the time parameter by a lfo very subtile, so you get
> a pitch control on the delay sound like in the beginning of 
Tangerine Dream's Rubycon Part II (the mellotron choir).
> All the best
> Axel
> 
> Am 01.06.02 08:30:04, schrieb "p. hendricks" <ph@a...>:
> 
> >On 5/31/02 11:19 PM, "phaedra@t..." <phaedra@t...> wrote:
> >
> >> I don't think that an analog delay with relative short delay time 
is that what
> >> tthe most of us want.
> >> I'm using the analog delay from BigBriar, newly known as moog 
music, and it
> >> has a delay time of about 0.8 sec
> >> and a very good sound. It has the quality and the sound I want to 
have, but
> >> the price was a nightmare.
> >> To reach this quality, Mr. Doepfer has to search for very 
high-priced parts to
> >> build in, because neither the blacet nor the AS
> >
> >but the MoogerFooger doesn't come close to the Blacet in terms of 
of CV
> >control. And sadly, none of the the others... it's the CV control 
that makes
> >modular analog delays so great, just like all other "modular" 
modules, and
> >that's why it would be great to have a digital delay that's 
modular! with CV
> >for all sorts of things. The TC, Line 6... and all I've seen fall 
way short
> >of offering this.
> >best,
> >phil
> >
> >
> >
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Yes, the MF 104 is out of production, the needed chips have been available for just 1000 analog delays,
and now they are divided all over the world   :-)
But I think, an original analog delay is not the only way to survive, the Line6 Delay is a good choice imitating
a few models in sound and quality.
I don't own one, but was I've done with it by testing sounded very original in sight of the analog delays.
Also very interesting is the sound, the quality and the flexibility of the TC Electronics D-Two, which works very fine 
synchronized to midi-clock with also synchronized analog sequencers.
all the best
Axel

Am 01.06.02 14:27:54, schrieb "buechlerjoe" <buechlerjoe@toadmail.com>:

>The Moog delay has gone out of production :(
>
>I'm currently leaning toward the Line 6 delay myself. 
>
>The Line 6 also works as a 60 second looper, so it would be able to 
>free up my A100 when I need a second modular patch in an arrangement. 
>I was originally thinking of getting the Electrix Repeater for this 
>job, but might rather kill two birds with one stone.
>
>Joe
>
>--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., phaedra@t... wrote:
>> The CV-Control is an argument, but the moogerfooger has the 
>important CV-Controls in my opinion,
>> feedback, time, and mix. And you have the option to insert a chain 
>of other modules or moogerfoogers
>> to modulate the delay sound.
>> And believe me, the more knobs or inputs you have the less you use 
>it, at last you are only doing the things
>> the MF 104 has.
>> For me a warm and clean sound with the usual parameters is more 
>important than thousands of possible patches.
>> One of my preferred patches with the analog delay ist to modulate 
>the time parameter by a lfo very subtile, so you get
>> a pitch control on the delay sound like in the beginning of 
>Tangerine Dream's Rubycon Part II (the mellotron choir).
>> All the best
>> Axel
>> 
>> Am 01.06.02 08:30:04, schrieb "p. hendricks" <ph@a...>:
>> 
>> >On 5/31/02 11:19 PM, "phaedra@t..." <phaedra@t...> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I don't think that an analog delay with relative short delay time 
>is that what
>> >> tthe most of us want.
>> >> I'm using the analog delay from BigBriar, newly known as moog 
>music, and it
>> >> has a delay time of about 0.8 sec
>> >> and a very good sound. It has the quality and the sound I want to 
>have, but
>> >> the price was a nightmare.
>> >> To reach this quality, Mr. Doepfer has to search for very 
>high-priced parts to
>> >> build in, because neither the blacet nor the AS
>> >
>> >but the MoogerFooger doesn't come close to the Blacet in terms of 
>of CV
>> >control. And sadly, none of the the others... it's the CV control 
>that makes
>> >modular analog delays so great, just like all other "modular" 
>modules, and
>> >that's why it would be great to have a digital delay that's 
>modular! with CV
>> >for all sorts of things. The TC, Line 6... and all I've seen fall 
>way short
>> >of offering this.
>> >best,
>> >phil
>> >
>> >
>> >
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