Doepfer

I have a lot of Hz/V gear - massive old paia modular and ms20 etc.

Is it a really stupid idea to try and use my ms20 to control my
doepfer? I don't have a conventional keyboard to control it at all at
the mo, but it would be nice. Is there a doepfer module that does
antilog conversion or whatever? Is it one of those ideas that is
theoretically possible but would actually be a massive pain in the bum
in practice, causing heartache, frustration, and cat-kicking? Anyone
tried it? 

Would be great, because ms20 and my beautiful bespoke doepfer box are
the only kit i use these days really, and it would be ubercompact and
beautiful to look at as a pair.

> > Also, I think if you put a small fixed voltage into the "audio in"
in an
> > exponential VCA and then use the linear Hz/V CV to modify the
amplitude, and
> > set the CV attenuation right, then you will get the desired V/Oct
response.

ooh do you think? an osc with linear fm in wouldnt help, because it's
not just osc control i'm after, i'm hoping to get vaguely keyboard
scaled control on my frequency shifter and my a112 pitch shifting /
sampler.

if people reckon the hz/v keyboard controlling an exp vca solution is
the one then i'll do it. 

 there's a korg ms-02 log amp schematic about but i just can't face
building something to do this, i think i'd give up and go with an ugly
v/oct controller.




--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Monroe Eskew" <monroe.eskew@...>
wrote:
>
> or rather, large fixed V
> 
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@...>
> wrote:
> 
> > Also, I think if you put a small fixed voltage into the "audio in"
in an
> > exponential VCA and then use the linear Hz/V CV to modify the
amplitude, and
> > set the CV attenuation right, then you will get the desired V/Oct
response.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> The A111 has linear FM.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 5:17 PM, partlydrone <partlydrone@...>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>   I have a lot of Hz/V gear - massive old paia modular and ms20 etc.
> >>>
> >>> Is it a really stupid idea to try and use my ms20 to control my
> >>> doepfer? I don't have a conventional keyboard to control it at
all at
> >>> the mo, but it would be nice. Is there a doepfer module that does
> >>> antilog conversion or whatever? Is it one of those ideas that is
> >>> theoretically possible but would actually be a massive pain in
the bum
> >>> in practice, causing heartache, frustration, and cat-kicking? Anyone
> >>> tried it?
> >>>
> >>> Would be great, because ms20 and my beautiful bespoke doepfer
box are
> >>> the only kit i use these days really, and it would be
ubercompact and

> >>> beautiful to look at as a pair.
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

The A111 has linear FM.

On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 5:17 PM, partlydrone <partlydrone@yahoo.com> wrote:

>   I have a lot of Hz/V gear - massive old paia modular and ms20 etc.
>
> Is it a really stupid idea to try and use my ms20 to control my
> doepfer? I don't have a conventional keyboard to control it at all at
> the mo, but it would be nice. Is there a doepfer module that does
> antilog conversion or whatever? Is it one of those ideas that is
> theoretically possible but would actually be a massive pain in the bum
> in practice, causing heartache, frustration, and cat-kicking? Anyone
> tried it?
>
> Would be great, because ms20 and my beautiful bespoke doepfer box are
> the only kit i use these days really, and it would be ubercompact and
> beautiful to look at as a pair.
>
>  
>


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Also, I think if you put a small fixed voltage into the "audio in" in an
exponential VCA and then use the linear Hz/V CV to modify the amplitude, and
set the CV attenuation right, then you will get the desired V/Oct response.

On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@gmail.com>
wrote:

> The A111 has linear FM.
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 5:17 PM, partlydrone <partlydrone@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>   I have a lot of Hz/V gear - massive old paia modular and ms20 etc.
>>
>> Is it a really stupid idea to try and use my ms20 to control my
>> doepfer? I don't have a conventional keyboard to control it at all at
>> the mo, but it would be nice. Is there a doepfer module that does
>> antilog conversion or whatever? Is it one of those ideas that is
>> theoretically possible but would actually be a massive pain in the bum
>> in practice, causing heartache, frustration, and cat-kicking? Anyone
>> tried it?
>>
>> Would be great, because ms20 and my beautiful bespoke doepfer box are
>> the only kit i use these days really, and it would be ubercompact and
>> beautiful to look at as a pair.
>>
>>  
>>
>
>


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or rather, large fixed V

On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Also, I think if you put a small fixed voltage into the "audio in" in an
> exponential VCA and then use the linear Hz/V CV to modify the amplitude, and
> set the CV attenuation right, then you will get the desired V/Oct response.
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The A111 has linear FM.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 5:17 PM, partlydrone <partlydrone@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>   I have a lot of Hz/V gear - massive old paia modular and ms20 etc.
>>>
>>> Is it a really stupid idea to try and use my ms20 to control my
>>> doepfer? I don't have a conventional keyboard to control it at all at
>>> the mo, but it would be nice. Is there a doepfer module that does
>>> antilog conversion or whatever? Is it one of those ideas that is
>>> theoretically possible but would actually be a massive pain in the bum
>>> in practice, causing heartache, frustration, and cat-kicking? Anyone
>>> tried it?
>>>
>>> Would be great, because ms20 and my beautiful bespoke doepfer box are
>>> the only kit i use these days really, and it would be ubercompact and
>>> beautiful to look at as a pair.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>
>>
>


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I think it works in theory.  It might be hard to get the tracking
exactly to scale though.

I was just browsing the Doepfer site and found this planned module
that is supposed to have a Hz/V to Oct/V converter function.  Looks
like a barrel of fun.

http://www.doepfer.de/A100_ADDA.htm

On 7/11/08, partlydrone <partlydrone@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > Also, I think if you put a small fixed voltage into the "audio in"
>  in an
>  > > exponential VCA and then use the linear Hz/V CV to modify the
>  amplitude, and
>  > > set the CV attenuation right, then you will get the desired V/Oct
>  response.
>
>  ooh do you think? an osc with linear fm in wouldnt help, because it's
>  not just osc control i'm after, i'm hoping to get vaguely keyboard
>  scaled control on my frequency shifter and my a112 pitch shifting /
>  sampler.
>
>  if people reckon the hz/v keyboard controlling an exp vca solution is
>  the one then i'll do it.
>
>  there's a korg ms-02 log amp schematic about but i just can't face
>  building something to do this, i think i'd give up and go with an ugly
>  v/oct controller.
>
>  --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Monroe Eskew" <monroe.eskew@...>
>  wrote:
>  >
>  > or rather, large fixed V
>  >
>  > On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@...>
>  > wrote:
>  >
>  > > Also, I think if you put a small fixed voltage into the "audio in"
>  in an
>  > > exponential VCA and then use the linear Hz/V CV to modify the
>  amplitude, and
>  > > set the CV attenuation right, then you will get the desired V/Oct
>  response.
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@...>
>  > > wrote:
>  > >
>  > >> The A111 has linear FM.
>  > >>
>  > >>
>  > >> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 5:17 PM, partlydrone <partlydrone@...>
>  > >> wrote:
>  > >>
>  > >>> I have a lot of Hz/V gear - massive old paia modular and ms20 etc.
>  > >>>
>  > >>> Is it a really stupid idea to try and use my ms20 to control my
>  > >>> doepfer? I don't have a conventional keyboard to control it at
>  all at
>  > >>> the mo, but it would be nice. Is there a doepfer module that does
>  > >>> antilog conversion or whatever? Is it one of those ideas that is
>  > >>> theoretically possible but would actually be a massive pain in
>  the bum
>  > >>> in practice, causing heartache, frustration, and cat-kicking? Anyone
>  > >>> tried it?
>  > >>>
>  > >>> Would be great, because ms20 and my beautiful bespoke doepfer
>  box are
>  > >>> the only kit i use these days really, and it would be
>  ubercompact and
>  > >>> beautiful to look at as a pair.
>  > >>>
>  > >>>
>  > >>>
>  > >>
>  > >>
>  > >
>  >
>  >
>  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>  >
>
>

Elby Designs is working on a nice eurorack hz/volt to volt/oct and the
other way around convertor so you can interface your ms-20 and other
hz/volt gear with your doepfer system anyway you want:

http://elby-designs.com/panther/ed102-octave-volts-hertz/ed102-panel.pdf


give them an email, I think they are ready to get it going, they jsut
need a little push :)

I have an ms-20 too so really hoping they finish it soon.
C.

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Monroe Eskew" <monroe.eskew@...>
wrote:
>
> I think it works in theory.  It might be hard to get the tracking
> exactly to scale though.
> 
> I was just browsing the Doepfer site and found this planned module
> that is supposed to have a Hz/V to Oct/V converter function.  Looks
> like a barrel of fun.
> 
> http://www.doepfer.de/A100_ADDA.htm
> 
> On 7/11/08, partlydrone <partlydrone@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > Also, I think if you put a small fixed voltage into the "audio in"
> >  in an
> >  > > exponential VCA and then use the linear Hz/V CV to modify the
> >  amplitude, and
> >  > > set the CV attenuation right, then you will get the desired V/Oct
> >  response.
> >
> >  ooh do you think? an osc with linear fm in wouldnt help, because it's
> >  not just osc control i'm after, i'm hoping to get vaguely keyboard
> >  scaled control on my frequency shifter and my a112 pitch shifting /
> >  sampler.
> >
> >  if people reckon the hz/v keyboard controlling an exp vca solution is
> >  the one then i'll do it.
> >
> >  there's a korg ms-02 log amp schematic about but i just can't face
> >  building something to do this, i think i'd give up and go with an
ugly
> >  v/oct controller.
> >
> >  --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Monroe Eskew" <monroe.eskew@>
> >  wrote:
> >  >
> >  > or rather, large fixed V
> >  >
> >  > On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@>
> >  > wrote:
> >  >
> >  > > Also, I think if you put a small fixed voltage into the
"audio in"
> >  in an
> >  > > exponential VCA and then use the linear Hz/V CV to modify the
> >  amplitude, and
> >  > > set the CV attenuation right, then you will get the desired V/Oct
> >  response.
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > > On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@>
> >  > > wrote:
> >  > >
> >  > >> The A111 has linear FM.
> >  > >>
> >  > >>
> >  > >> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 5:17 PM, partlydrone <partlydrone@>
> >  > >> wrote:
> >  > >>
> >  > >>> I have a lot of Hz/V gear - massive old paia modular and
ms20 etc.
> >  > >>>
> >  > >>> Is it a really stupid idea to try and use my ms20 to control my
> >  > >>> doepfer? I don't have a conventional keyboard to control it at
> >  all at
> >  > >>> the mo, but it would be nice. Is there a doepfer module
that does
> >  > >>> antilog conversion or whatever? Is it one of those ideas
that is
> >  > >>> theoretically possible but would actually be a massive pain in
> >  the bum
> >  > >>> in practice, causing heartache, frustration, and
cat-kicking? Anyone

> >  > >>> tried it?
> >  > >>>
> >  > >>> Would be great, because ms20 and my beautiful bespoke doepfer
> >  box are
> >  > >>> the only kit i use these days really, and it would be
> >  ubercompact and
> >  > >>> beautiful to look at as a pair.
> >  > >>>
> >  > >>>
> >  > >>>
> >  > >>
> >  > >>
> >  > >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >  >
> >
> >
>

The Hz/Oct to V/Oct VCA trick is pretty interesting. I'll have to try
it! But one thing that hasn't been addressed yet: the MS-20 has an
S-Trigger (ala Moog, it shorts to ground), while the A-100 is Gate.
Has anyone made a trigger to gate converter?

Unfortunately, it's a LOT easier to control your MS-20 with
exponential gear. Use the external signal processor to convert the
gate to a trigger; plug the pitch CV into the "total" jack insted of
the KBD CV in, bias with the pitch wheel, and you're set! Check this
page for great MS-20 tips:

http://www.korganalogue.net/korgms/mstt.html

-drew

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Carlos" <bushwick@...> wrote:

>
> Elby Designs is working on a nice eurorack hz/volt to volt/oct and the
> other way around convertor so you can interface your ms-20 and other
> hz/volt gear with your doepfer system anyway you want:
> 
> http://elby-designs.com/panther/ed102-octave-volts-hertz/ed102-panel.pdf
> 
> 
> give them an email, I think they are ready to get it going, they jsut
> need a little push :)
> 
> I have an ms-20 too so really hoping they finish it soon.
> C.

that's great!

Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Sat, 7/12/08, Carlos <bushwick@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Carlos <bushwick@gmail.com>
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Korg MS20 to control doepfer synths?
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 4:26 PM






Elby Designs is working on a nice eurorack hz/volt to volt/oct and the
other way around convertor so you can interface your ms-20 and other
hz/volt gear with your doepfer system anyway you want:

http://elby- designs.com/ panther/ed102- octave-volts- hertz/ed102- panel.pdf

give them an email, I think they are ready to get it going, they jsut
need a little push :)

I have an ms-20 too so really hoping they finish it soon.
C.

--- In Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com, "Monroe Eskew" <monroe.eskew@ ...>
wrote:
>
> I think it works in theory. It might be hard to get the tracking
> exactly to scale though.
> 
> I was just browsing the Doepfer site and found this planned module
> that is supposed to have a Hz/V to Oct/V converter function. Looks
> like a barrel of fun.
> 
> http://www.doepfer. de/A100_ADDA. htm
> 
> On 7/11/08, partlydrone <partlydrone@ ...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > Also, I think if you put a small fixed voltage into the "audio in"
> > in an
> > > > exponential VCA and then use the linear Hz/V CV to modify the
> > amplitude, and
> > > > set the CV attenuation right, then you will get the desired V/Oct
> > response.
> >
> > ooh do you think? an osc with linear fm in wouldnt help, because it's
> > not just osc control i'm after, i'm hoping to get vaguely keyboard
> > scaled control on my frequency shifter and my a112 pitch shifting /
> > sampler.
> >
> > if people reckon the hz/v keyboard controlling an exp vca solution is
> > the one then i'll do it.
> >
> > there's a korg ms-02 log amp schematic about but i just can't face
> > building something to do this, i think i'd give up and go with an
ugly
> > v/oct controller.
> >
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com, "Monroe Eskew" <monroe.eskew@ >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > or rather, large fixed V
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@ >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Also, I think if you put a small fixed voltage into the
"audio in"
> > in an
> > > > exponential VCA and then use the linear Hz/V CV to modify the
> > amplitude, and
> > > > set the CV attenuation right, then you will get the desired V/Oct
> > response.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@ >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> The A111 has linear FM.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 5:17 PM, partlydrone <partlydrone@ >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> I have a lot of Hz/V gear - massive old paia modular and
ms20 etc.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Is it a really stupid idea to try and use my ms20 to control my
> > > >>> doepfer? I don't have a conventional keyboard to control it at
> > all at
> > > >>> the mo, but it would be nice. Is there a doepfer module
that does
> > > >>> antilog conversion or whatever? Is it one of those ideas
that is
> > > >>> theoretically possible but would actually be a massive pain in
> > the bum
> > > >>> in practice, causing heartache, frustration, and
cat-kicking? Anyone
> > > >>> tried it?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Would be great, because ms20 and my beautiful bespoke doepfer
> > box are
> > > >>> the only kit i use these days really, and it would be
> > ubercompact and
> > > >>> beautiful to look at as a pair.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
>

 














      

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i do not remember if i have tried that, (back when i had an MS20),  but the A165 should convert between the inverse triggers outs of the ms20 and the gate inputs of the a100...
right?
(as the A165 is a voltage inverter and offset gen in order to invert gates/triggers)
 
apart from its +/- function too...

Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Sat, 7/12/08, andrew dalio <bunnyman@sailormoon.com> wrote:

From: andrew dalio <bunnyman@sailormoon.com>
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Korg MS20 to control doepfer synths?
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 5:23 PM






The Hz/Oct to V/Oct VCA trick is pretty interesting. I'll have to try
it! But one thing that hasn't been addressed yet: the MS-20 has an
S-Trigger (ala Moog, it shorts to ground), while the A-100 is Gate.
Has anyone made a trigger to gate converter?

Unfortunately, it's a LOT easier to control your MS-20 with
exponential gear. Use the external signal processor to convert the
gate to a trigger; plug the pitch CV into the "total" jack insted of
the KBD CV in, bias with the pitch wheel, and you're set! Check this
page for great MS-20 tips:

http://www.korganal ogue.net/ korgms/mstt. html

-drew

--- In Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com, "Carlos" <bushwick@.. .> wrote:
>
> Elby Designs is working on a nice eurorack hz/volt to volt/oct and the
> other way around convertor so you can interface your ms-20 and other
> hz/volt gear with your doepfer system anyway you want:
> 
> http://elby- designs.com/ panther/ed102- octave-volts- hertz/ed102- panel.pdf
> 
> 
> give them an email, I think they are ready to get it going, they jsut
> need a little push :)
> 
> I have an ms-20 too so really hoping they finish it soon.
> C.

 














      

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