Doepfer

hi Group,

some years ago, i had asked you to tell me new ides for forthcoming A100 modules and, after gathering all these ideas, i created many new polls...

so, its time that we do the same!

let me hear your, down to earth or crazy, ideas for future A100 modules!

i'l gather the best ideas (that are not covered from existing a100 modules) and i'll create new polls about these modules.

then, some of these may end up as new A100 modules...

digital, analogue and hybrid modules ideas, all count! 

(let's make the A100 even more 'out of this world"...)

also, this way, you may give food for thought to the whole modular community...

thanks,
best regards,    :-)
Bakis.



Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

I for one would love to see the following:

1. Voltage controlled digital oscillator akin to the Modcan VCDO.
2.CV recorder
3. Wavetable oscillator, as I would fucking love a Miniwave - but I rather
not go through what noisesource did to get it in his case.
4. Preamp module!!! Seriously! Something to drop down the modular to
standard line levels and maybe have a Jensen transformer in it for some
sweetness.
5. An 8hp sequencer.

cheers,

Alex

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Bakis Sirros
<synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>wrote:

>   hi Group,
>
> some years ago, i had asked you to tell me new ides for forthcoming A100
> modules and, after gathering all these ideas, i created many new polls...
>
> so, its time that we do the same!
>
> let me hear your, down to earth or crazy, ideas for future A100 modules!
>
> i'l gather the best ideas (that are not covered from existing a100 modules)
> and i'll create new polls about these modules.
>
> then, some of these may end up as new A100 modules...
>
> digital, analogue and hybrid modules ideas, all count!
>
> (let's make the A100 even more 'out of this world"...)
>
> also, this way, you may give food for thought to the whole modular
> community...
>
> thanks,
> best regards, :-)
> Bakis.
>
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> www. DiN. org. uk
> www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> www. shimarecords. co. uk
> www. rubberrecords. gr
> Athens - Greece
>
>  
>


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Like I already said/asked in the AH list, some time ago:

1. - a multifunction digital CV-generator, with a usb interface to a  
computer, and proper "visual editing" software (all platforms).

The hardware looks just like any other Doepfer module, only with  
generic controls (knobs) and in/outs.
The user defines the functionality of those controls and ports with a  
dedicated app on the host computer.
Different functions [and settings] can be recalled and "uploaded" to  
the module. A bit like presets on a VSTi.

No audio signals - want to keep the modular audio path in the analog  
domain.
Only control voltages, with typical applications like controlled- 
random generators, step-generators, complex LFO's and arbirtrary step- 
point EG's. (actually it's all just a dedicated complex LFO, with an  
almost unlimited number of "steps").

Inputs should be able to be configured as gate/triggers, and/or CV-ins.
Outputs are simply the CV out, plus an inverted version.
Output- and input voltage ranges can be controlled from within software.

Maybe some sort of display would be helpful too.

The DAC needs to be of very high frequency, in order to avoid stepping  
of slow voltages.

In other words, I'd like the functionality and flexibility of  
particular parameters of soft synths to be ported to analog  
hardware. :-)

------

2. - a standalone XY-Z trackpad as a controller. Comparable to Kaos  
pads or the Voyager's touchpad. Only with dedicated VC and trig/gate  
outs, and range knobs.



- Guy



> hi Group,
>
> some years ago, i had asked you to tell me new ides for forthcoming  
> A100 modules and, after gathering all these ideas, i created many  
> new polls...
>
> so, its time that we do the same!
>
> let me hear your, down to earth or crazy, ideas for future A100  
> modules!
>
> i'l gather the best ideas (that are not covered from existing a100  
> modules) and i'll create new polls about these modules.
>
> then, some of these may end up as new A100 modules...
>
> digital, analogue and hybrid modules ideas, all count!
>
> (let's make the A100 even more 'out of this world"...)
>
> also, this way, you may give food for thought to the whole modular  
> community...
>
> thanks,
> best regards, :-)
> Bakis.


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I have a great idea for a creative and complex sequencer in which the
principle is you dial in a few random numbers and out comes a complex
rhythm that is musically pleasing. No need for a huge 16 or 32 step
sequencer, no need to spend so much time deciding every step of the
pattern. Here's a conceptual audio demo:
http://www.elanhickler.com/misc/argitoth_clock_idea.mp3 You will hear
the beat created by the clocks and then you will hear the beat in a
musical context

here's what the module could look like:
http://www.elanhickler.com/misc/clock_module2.png

How it works: A clock source goes to Clock In, there's five separate
clock dividers, four that go from integers of 1 to 32 and one clock
that can divide anywhere from 1 to 1024. This clock is set by an LCD
screen. This clock resets the four other clocks so that the clocks
repeat however many measures of your choosing. The mp3 just show a
taste of the kinds of rhythms you can create. Not only that, this
module one clock out for each of the four clocks. Combine this with a
polarizing mixer and a semi-tone quantizer, you can create all sorts
of melodies. You can also create rhythms that are in 4/4 3/4 7/8 or
any other time signature. This module will beat the Plan B clock IMO.

Pulse delay is to create some addition offbeat-ness and pulse width is
very helpful to have to further shape the rhythm and especially when
using the clock for melodies.

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Guy Drieghe D. <guy@guyd2.com> wrote:
> Like I already said/asked in the AH list, some time ago:
>
> 1. - a multifunction digital CV-generator, with a usb interface to a
> computer, and proper "visual editing" software (all platforms).
>
> The hardware looks just like any other Doepfer module, only with
> generic controls (knobs) and in/outs.
> The user defines the functionality of those controls and ports with a
> dedicated app on the host computer.
> Different functions [and settings] can be recalled and "uploaded" to
> the module. A bit like presets on a VSTi.
>
> No audio signals - want to keep the modular audio path in the analog
> domain.
> Only control voltages, with typical applications like controlled-
> random generators, step-generators, complex LFO's and arbirtrary step-
> point EG's. (actually it's all just a dedicated complex LFO, with an
> almost unlimited number of "steps").
>
> Inputs should be able to be configured as gate/triggers, and/or CV-ins.
> Outputs are simply the CV out, plus an inverted version.
> Output- and input voltage ranges can be controlled from within software.
>
> Maybe some sort of display would be helpful too.
>
> The DAC needs to be of very high frequency, in order to avoid stepping
> of slow voltages.
>
> In other words, I'd like the functionality and flexibility of
> particular parameters of soft synths to be ported to analog
> hardware. :-)
>
> ------
>
> 2. - a standalone XY-Z trackpad as a controller. Comparable to Kaos
> pads or the Voyager's touchpad. Only with dedicated VC and trig/gate
> outs, and range knobs.
>
> - Guy
>
>> hi Group,
>>
>> some years ago, i had asked you to tell me new ides for forthcoming
>> A100 modules and, after gathering all these ideas, i created many
>> new polls...
>>
>> so, its time that we do the same!
>>
>> let me hear your, down to earth or crazy, ideas for future A100
>> modules!
>>
>> i'l gather the best ideas (that are not covered from existing a100
>> modules) and i'll create new polls about these modules.
>>
>> then, some of these may end up as new A100 modules...
>>
>> digital, analogue and hybrid modules ideas, all count!
>>
>> (let's make the A100 even more 'out of this world"...)
>>
>> also, this way, you may give food for thought to the whole modular
>> community...
>>
>> thanks,
>> best regards, :-)
>> Bakis.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 



-- 
www.elanhickler.com

I would love to see some sort of OSC to CV converter.

I would vote for this as well. I've been playing around with the Arduino 
and also a homebrew AVR/HID board to get OSC information converted to 
CV, but the clock speeds are too slow to do it without some kind of 
minimal slew limiter afterwards to get rid of the stepping when the 
values change. I don't need any kind of fancy software to go with it, I 
can program everything I need in PD. But just a good hardware solution 
that isn't limited to MIDI range and could be used as an LFO as well as 
sending fixed notes like a sequencer would be fantastic!

So, USB in and smooth, microtonal CV out. Bonus points for extra 
channels, like 4 or 8 in total. Go for it!!!!!

D.

Don Kim wrote:
> I would love to see some sort of OSC to CV converter.


-- 
derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista
---Oblique Strategy # 164:
"Twist the spine"

Don Kim schrieb:
> I would love to see some sort of OSC to CV converter.
Let me jump in here.

We do have this already: the PLL A196 is a frequency to CV converter. 
The low pass out is the CV-out. But I think the A196 is a too rough / 
too hardcore implementation of the standard CD4046 PLL chip and not 
really usable for Fq2CV.


So we want something better. But then we have to decide for which task 
it is intended because there are different approaches how to achieve a 
fq2cv conversion.

I could imagine a clock-to-CV converter which does not have to be the 
fastest, but should be finally quite exact. Typical example it could be 
used to make the BBD-modules controlled by the tempo, or LFOs in syc 
with the tempo. These can follow the incoming frequency over several 
ocataves. But they have to rely on a dedicated waveform of the incoming 
signal (best: rectangle).

The other usage might be an instrument to CV voncerter, like in the Korg 
MS-03 or the Roland SPV-355; These were intended to follow a melody 
quite fast, and did not have to be very exact - and they only had a 
usable range of around one and a half octaves. If outside you had to 
adjust them again. These can handle all kinds of (monophonic) signals 
and are not very dependant on the waveform.

I think those are two different (possible) modules.

Florian

Hi,

I'd like to a have a module which converts (Roland-)DIN-sync to 
Doepfer-usable signals:
- Clock to 8th- / 16th-triggers
- and the start/stop/reset-signal to separate triggers
- and the start/stop also as gate (simple feed through of this port).

I know this can be achieved by combining some of existing modules, but 
this blocks a lot of modules and it is a shame, that there is no 
dedicated modul for this basically very simple task - especially because 
I think there are a lot of people who use 808 606 303 or similar stuff 
with their Doepfer units.

Florian

preamp module? you mean of a better quality? there already exists the a119.
 
regarding your other ideas about a wavetable osc and 'vcdo style', in order to create polls, i would like more specific suggestions with a description of the feature list of the modules suggested. 
 
also, suggestions of the type 'like the wiard miniwave, or like the modcan vcdo', do not really help much, as i do not think that it would be nice for doepfer to produce a new module very similar to existing great designs. 
 
an exciting wavetable osc with specific/ suggested special features would be great though!
 
i just need a detailed explanation of the ideas for future A100 modules.


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Alex Pearson <alexpears@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Alex Pearson <alexpears@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Let me hear your bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 4:27 PM






I for one would love to see the following:

1. Voltage controlled digital oscillator akin to the Modcan VCDO.
2.CV recorder
3. Wavetable oscillator, as I would fucking love a Miniwave - but I rather
not go through what noisesource did to get it in his case.
4. Preamp module!!! Seriously! Something to drop down the modular to
standard line levels and maybe have a Jensen transformer in it for some
sweetness.
5. An 8hp sequencer.

cheers,

Alex

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Bakis Sirros
<synth_freak_ 2000@yahoo. com>wrote:

> hi Group,
>
> some years ago, i had asked you to tell me new ides for forthcoming A100
> modules and, after gathering all these ideas, i created many new polls...
>
> so, its time that we do the same!
>
> let me hear your, down to earth or crazy, ideas for future A100 modules!
>
> i'l gather the best ideas (that are not covered from existing a100 modules)
> and i'll create new polls about these modules.
>
> then, some of these may end up as new A100 modules...
>
> digital, analogue and hybrid modules ideas, all count!
>
> (let's make the A100 even more 'out of this world"...)
>
> also, this way, you may give food for thought to the whole modular
> community...
>
> thanks,
> best regards, :-)
> Bakis.
>
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> www. DiN. org. uk
> www. musicamaximamagneti ca. com
> www. shimarecords. co. uk
> www. rubberrecords. gr
> Athens - Greece
>
> 
>

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both great ideas! (especially the first suggestion!)
i will create polls for these two suggested modules after a few days.

Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Guy Drieghe D. <guy@guyd2.com> wrote:

From: Guy Drieghe D. <guy@guyd2.com>
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Let me hear your bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 4:33 PM






Like I already said/asked in the AH list, some time ago:

1. - a multifunction digital CV-generator, with a usb interface to a 
computer, and proper "visual editing" software (all platforms).

The hardware looks just like any other Doepfer module, only with 
generic controls (knobs) and in/outs.
The user defines the functionality of those controls and ports with a 
dedicated app on the host computer.
Different functions [and settings] can be recalled and "uploaded" to 
the module. A bit like presets on a VSTi.

No audio signals - want to keep the modular audio path in the analog 
domain.
Only control voltages, with typical applications like controlled- 
random generators, step-generators, complex LFO's and arbirtrary step- 
point EG's. (actually it's all just a dedicated complex LFO, with an 
almost unlimited number of "steps").

Inputs should be able to be configured as gate/triggers, and/or CV-ins.
Outputs are simply the CV out, plus an inverted version.
Output- and input voltage ranges can be controlled from within software.

Maybe some sort of display would be helpful too.

The DAC needs to be of very high frequency, in order to avoid stepping 
of slow voltages.

In other words, I'd like the functionality and flexibility of 
particular parameters of soft synths to be ported to analog 
hardware. :-)

------

2. - a standalone XY-Z trackpad as a controller. Comparable to Kaos 
pads or the Voyager's touchpad. Only with dedicated VC and trig/gate 
outs, and range knobs.

- Guy

> hi Group,
>
> some years ago, i had asked you to tell me new ides for forthcoming 
> A100 modules and, after gathering all these ideas, i created many 
> new polls...
>
> so, its time that we do the same!
>
> let me hear your, down to earth or crazy, ideas for future A100 
> modules!
>
> i'l gather the best ideas (that are not covered from existing a100 
> modules) and i'll create new polls about these modules.
>
> then, some of these may end up as new A100 modules...
>
> digital, analogue and hybrid modules ideas, all count!
>
> (let's make the A100 even more 'out of this world"...)
>
> also, this way, you may give food for thought to the whole modular 
> community...
>
> thanks,
> best regards, :-)
> Bakis.

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the link for the module pic does not work.
 
you mean that this module will be able to divide in odd number too? 
or only in even numbers from 1 to 32 and from 1 to 1024?


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Argitoth <argitoth@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Argitoth <argitoth@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Let me hear your bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 5:30 PM






I have a great idea for a creative and complex sequencer in which the
principle is you dial in a few random numbers and out comes a complex
rhythm that is musically pleasing. No need for a huge 16 or 32 step
sequencer, no need to spend so much time deciding every step of the
pattern. Here's a conceptual audio demo:
http://www.elanhick ler.com/misc/ argitoth_ clock_idea. mp3 You will hear
the beat created by the clocks and then you will hear the beat in a
musical context

here's what the module could look like:
http://www.elanhick ler.com/misc/ clock_module2. png

How it works: A clock source goes to Clock In, there's five separate
clock dividers, four that go from integers of 1 to 32 and one clock
that can divide anywhere from 1 to 1024. This clock is set by an LCD
screen. This clock resets the four other clocks so that the clocks
repeat however many measures of your choosing. The mp3 just show a
taste of the kinds of rhythms you can create. Not only that, this
module one clock out for each of the four clocks. Combine this with a
polarizing mixer and a semi-tone quantizer, you can create all sorts
of melodies. You can also create rhythms that are in 4/4 3/4 7/8 or
any other time signature. This module will beat the Plan B clock IMO.

Pulse delay is to create some addition offbeat-ness and pulse width is
very helpful to have to further shape the rhythm and especially when
using the clock for melodies.

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Guy Drieghe D. <guy@guyd2.com> wrote:
> Like I already said/asked in the AH list, some time ago:
>
> 1. - a multifunction digital CV-generator, with a usb interface to a
> computer, and proper "visual editing" software (all platforms).
>
> The hardware looks just like any other Doepfer module, only with
> generic controls (knobs) and in/outs.
> The user defines the functionality of those controls and ports with a
> dedicated app on the host computer.
> Different functions [and settings] can be recalled and "uploaded" to
> the module. A bit like presets on a VSTi.
>
> No audio signals - want to keep the modular audio path in the analog
> domain.
> Only control voltages, with typical applications like controlled-
> random generators, step-generators, complex LFO's and arbirtrary step-
> point EG's. (actually it's all just a dedicated complex LFO, with an
> almost unlimited number of "steps").
>
> Inputs should be able to be configured as gate/triggers, and/or CV-ins.
> Outputs are simply the CV out, plus an inverted version.
> Output- and input voltage ranges can be controlled from within software.
>
> Maybe some sort of display would be helpful too.
>
> The DAC needs to be of very high frequency, in order to avoid stepping
> of slow voltages.
>
> In other words, I'd like the functionality and flexibility of
> particular parameters of soft synths to be ported to analog
> hardware. :-)
>
> ------
>
> 2. - a standalone XY-Z trackpad as a controller. Comparable to Kaos
> pads or the Voyager's touchpad. Only with dedicated VC and trig/gate
> outs, and range knobs.
>
> - Guy
>
>> hi Group,
>>
>> some years ago, i had asked you to tell me new ides for forthcoming
>> A100 modules and, after gathering all these ideas, i created many
>> new polls...
>>
>> so, its time that we do the same!
>>
>> let me hear your, down to earth or crazy, ideas for future A100
>> modules!
>>
>> i'l gather the best ideas (that are not covered from existing a100
>> modules) and i'll create new polls about these modules.
>>
>> then, some of these may end up as new A100 modules...
>>
>> digital, analogue and hybrid modules ideas, all count!
>>
>> (let's make the A100 even more 'out of this world"...)
>>
>> also, this way, you may give food for thought to the whole modular
>> community...
>>
>> thanks,
>> best regards, :-)
>> Bakis.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 

-- 
www.elanhickler. com
 














      

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Hi Florian,

OSC = Open Sound Control

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSound_Control

Basically, what we're talking about is a way of digitally controlling 
the analog synth from the computer, but with higher resolution and more 
flexibility than MIDI.

best,
Derek

Florian Anwander wrote:
> Don Kim schrieb:
>> I would love to see some sort of OSC to CV converter.
> Let me jump in here.
> 
> We do have this already: the PLL A196 is a frequency to CV converter. 
> The low pass out is the CV-out. But I think the A196 is a too rough / 
> too hardcore implementation of the standard CD4046 PLL chip and not 
> really usable for Fq2CV.

-- 
derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista
---Oblique Strategy # 48:
"Discover your formulas and abandon them"

details please.
(btw, i do not have any experience with the OSC protocol)
anyway, details of the features of this suggested module, please?


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Don Kim <dkimcg@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Don Kim <dkimcg@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Let me hear your bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 6:16 PM






I would love to see some sort of OSC to CV converter.
 














      

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The A-119 is great for interfacing other gear into your modular, I am taking
about interfacing your modular with other gear. 1/8" to 1/4" (balanced) and
XLR. With a nice transformer. My modular is always clipping my preamps and
other I/O devices.

As for a wavetable osc, it would be nice to see a euro wavetable with:
smoothly moving animation
melodic waveforms
quantization capabilities
the ability to run in both AC and DC

As for the reference to other modules already in production, I would love a
VCDO but I don't want to start a modcan setup - I am happy with my Euro
mods. To that fact the VCDO is exactly what I want, but in Euro.

Alex

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>wrote:

>   preamp module? you mean of a better quality? there already exists the
> a119.
>
> regarding your other ideas about a wavetable osc and 'vcdo style', in order
> to create polls, i would like more specific suggestions with a description
> of the feature list of the modules suggested.
>
> also, suggestions of the type 'like the wiard miniwave, or like the modcan
> vcdo', do not really help much, as i do not think that it would be nice for
> doepfer to produce a new module very similar to existing great designs.
>
> an exciting wavetable osc with specific/ suggested special features would
> be great though!
>
> i just need a detailed explanation of the ideas for future A100 modules.
>
>
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> www. DiN. org. uk
> www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> www. shimarecords. co. uk
> www. rubberrecords. gr
> Athens - Greece
>
> --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Alex Pearson <alexpears@gmail.com<alexpears%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Alex Pearson <alexpears@gmail.com <alexpears%40gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Let me hear your bright new ideas for future
> Doepfer A100 modules!
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 4:27 PM
>
>
> I for one would love to see the following:
>
> 1. Voltage controlled digital oscillator akin to the Modcan VCDO.
> 2.CV recorder
> 3. Wavetable oscillator, as I would fucking love a Miniwave - but I rather
> not go through what noisesource did to get it in his case.
> 4. Preamp module!!! Seriously! Something to drop down the modular to
> standard line levels and maybe have a Jensen transformer in it for some
> sweetness.
> 5. An 8hp sequencer.
>
> cheers,
>
> Alex
>
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Bakis Sirros
> <synth_freak_ 2000@yahoo. com>wrote:
>
> > hi Group,
> >
> > some years ago, i had asked you to tell me new ides for forthcoming A100
> > modules and, after gathering all these ideas, i created many new polls...
> >
> > so, its time that we do the same!
> >
> > let me hear your, down to earth or crazy, ideas for future A100 modules!
> >
> > i'l gather the best ideas (that are not covered from existing a100
> modules)
> > and i'll create new polls about these modules.
> >
> > then, some of these may end up as new A100 modules...
> >
> > digital, analogue and hybrid modules ideas, all count!
> >
> > (let's make the A100 even more 'out of this world"...)
> >
> > also, this way, you may give food for thought to the whole modular
> > community...
> >
> > thanks,
> > best regards, :-)
> > Bakis.
> >
> > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> > www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> > www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> > www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> > www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> > www. DiN. org. uk
> > www. musicamaximamagneti ca. com
> > www. shimarecords. co. uk
> > www. rubberrecords. gr
> > Athens - Greece
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>


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Hi Baksis,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSound_Control

Check my followup posts for some of my ideas.... which are basically 
similar to Guy's suggestion of a USB to CV interface with the ability to 
construct LFOs as well as notes in the computer. However, I think rather 
than bundle a dedicated software with such a controller, which would 
only increase the cost and lock the user into one kind of system, it 
would be better to allow the use of any kind of software which deals 
with OSC (Pure Data, Max/MSP, Reaktor, etc). Because it's an open 
protocol, there could be any number of possible software interfaces, and 
people would be free to design their own. And then the users could 
construct any kind of controlling messages they wish (envelopes, 
repeating or changing LFOs, notes, random modulation, intervals using 
multiple outputs, etc etc).

best!
Derek

Bakis Sirros wrote:
> details please.
> (btw, i do not have any experience with the OSC protocol)
> anyway, details of the features of this suggested module, please?

-- 
derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista
---Oblique Strategy # 24:
"Bridges
-build
-burn"

hi florian,
 
i remember that you had suggested this modules some years ago...
 
anyway, i'll create a poll about this again.
 
please, you mean that this suggested moule would have the start/stop/reset din input signals as trigger outputs for the a100, and the start/stop din signals as gate outs for the a100?
 
thanks,
Bakis.
 


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Florian Anwander <fanwander@mnet-online.de> wrote:

From: Florian Anwander <fanwander@mnet-online.de>
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] DIN-Clock to trigger/gate Converter - bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 7:10 PM






Hi,

I'd like to a have a module which converts (Roland-)DIN- sync to 
Doepfer-usable signals:
- Clock to 8th- / 16th-triggers
- and the start/stop/reset- signal to separate triggers
- and the start/stop also as gate (simple feed through of this port).

I know this can be achieved by combining some of existing modules, but 
this blocks a lot of modules and it is a shame, that there is no 
dedicated modul for this basically very simple task - especially because 
I think there are a lot of people who use 808 606 303 or similar stuff 
with their Doepfer units.

Florian

 














      

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Bakis, Derek Holzer posted a link to a thread, might as well do the
same: http://modularsynth.net/viewtopic.php?p=13963#13963

The link to the audio demo worked too, right? The link to the image
works fine for me. Check the thread to see the image. Ok, to answer
your question. I'm talking about only dividing by integers, 1, 2, 3, 4
up to however many. I'm taking into account economic or designing
issues, but I have NO idea how to design a module, that's why I made
them knobs instead of additional LCD screens. Yes, the clock with the
LCD screen should go from 1 to however many is possible, hopefully up
to 1024. So for example, if you want a rhythm in 13/8 time and you
want the rhythm to repeat every 4 measures, you would set the LCD
clock to 52. 13*2*2 = 52 which means 13 beats 4 times, which means 4
measures. Lol, sorry to spell it out.

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Derek Holzer <derek@umatic.nl> wrote:
> Hi Baksis,
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSound_Control
>
> Check my followup posts for some of my ideas.... which are basically
> similar to Guy's suggestion of a USB to CV interface with the ability to
> construct LFOs as well as notes in the computer. However, I think rather
> than bundle a dedicated software with such a controller, which would
> only increase the cost and lock the user into one kind of system, it
> would be better to allow the use of any kind of software which deals
> with OSC (Pure Data, Max/MSP, Reaktor, etc). Because it's an open
> protocol, there could be any number of possible software interfaces, and
> people would be free to design their own. And then the users could
> construct any kind of controlling messages they wish (envelopes,
> repeating or changing LFOs, notes, random modulation, intervals using
> multiple outputs, etc etc).
>
> best!
> Derek
>
> Bakis Sirros wrote:
>> details please.
>> (btw, i do not have any experience with the OSC protocol)
>> anyway, details of the features of this suggested module, please?
>
> --
> derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista
> ---Oblique Strategy # 24:
> "Bridges
> -build
> -burn"
>
> 



-- 
www.elanhickler.com

How about a small step sequencer that modifies an incoming vc signal?  So you bring in a pitch, and it adds/subtracts to the vc, so you get an arpeggiator affect that is relational to the note you play on the keyboard.  (Or does this already exist?)
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>

Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:25:29 
To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Let me hear your bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!


both great ideas! (especially the first suggestion!)
i will create polls for these two suggested modules after a few days.

Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Guy Drieghe D. <guy@guyd2.com> wrote:

From: Guy Drieghe D. <guy@guyd2.com>
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Let me hear your bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 4:33 PM






Like I already said/asked in the AH list, some time ago:

1. - a multifunction digital CV-generator, with a usb interface to a 
computer, and proper "visual editing" software (all platforms).

The hardware looks just like any other Doepfer module, only with 
generic controls (knobs) and in/outs.
The user defines the functionality of those controls and ports with a 
dedicated app on the host computer.
Different functions [and settings] can be recalled and "uploaded" to 
the module. A bit like presets on a VSTi.

No audio signals - want to keep the modular audio path in the analog 
domain.
Only control voltages, with typical applications like controlled- 
random generators, step-generators, complex LFO's and arbirtrary step- 
point EG's. (actually it's all just a dedicated complex LFO, with an 
almost unlimited number of "steps").

Inputs should be able to be configured as gate/triggers, and/or CV-ins.
Outputs are simply the CV out, plus an inverted version.
Output- and input voltage ranges can be controlled from within software.

Maybe some sort of display would be helpful too.

The DAC needs to be of very high frequency, in order to avoid stepping 
of slow voltages.

In other words, I'd like the functionality and flexibility of 
particular parameters of soft synths to be ported to analog 
hardware. :-)

------

2. - a standalone XY-Z trackpad as a controller. Comparable to Kaos 
pads or the Voyager's touchpad. Only with dedicated VC and trig/gate 
outs, and range knobs.

- Guy

> hi Group,
>
> some years ago, i had asked you to tell me new ides for forthcoming 
> A100 modules and, after gathering all these ideas, i created many 
> new polls...
>
> so, its time that we do the same!
>
> let me hear your, down to earth or crazy, ideas for future A100 
> modules!
>
> i'l gather the best ideas (that are not covered from existing a100 
> modules) and i'll create new polls about these modules.
>
> then, some of these may end up as new A100 modules...
>
> digital, analogue and hybrid modules ideas, all count!
>
> (let's make the A100 even more 'out of this world"...)
>
> also, this way, you may give food for thought to the whole modular 
> community...
>
> thanks,
> best regards, :-)
> Bakis.

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ok, i'll keep the first two suggestions in mind for new polls.


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Alex Pearson <alexpears@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Alex Pearson <alexpears@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Let me hear your bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 8:42 PM






The A-119 is great for interfacing other gear into your modular, I am taking
about interfacing your modular with other gear. 1/8" to 1/4" (balanced) and
XLR. With a nice transformer. My modular is always clipping my preamps and
other I/O devices.

As for a wavetable osc, it would be nice to see a euro wavetable with:
smoothly moving animation
melodic waveforms
quantization capabilities
the ability to run in both AC and DC

As for the reference to other modules already in production, I would love a
VCDO but I don't want to start a modcan setup - I am happy with my Euro
mods. To that fact the VCDO is exactly what I want, but in Euro.

Alex

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_ 2000@yahoo. com>wrote:

> preamp module? you mean of a better quality? there already exists the
> a119.
>
> regarding your other ideas about a wavetable osc and 'vcdo style', in order
> to create polls, i would like more specific suggestions with a description
> of the feature list of the modules suggested.
>
> also, suggestions of the type 'like the wiard miniwave, or like the modcan
> vcdo', do not really help much, as i do not think that it would be nice for
> doepfer to produce a new module very similar to existing great designs.
>
> an exciting wavetable osc with specific/ suggested special features would
> be great though!
>
> i just need a detailed explanation of the ideas for future A100 modules.
>
>
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> www. DiN. org. uk
> www. musicamaximamagneti ca. com
> www. shimarecords. co. uk
> www. rubberrecords. gr
> Athens - Greece
>
> --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Alex Pearson <alexpears@gmail. com<alexpears%40gmail. com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Alex Pearson <alexpears@gmail. com <alexpears%40gmail. com>>
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Let me hear your bright new ideas for future
> Doepfer A100 modules!
> To: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com <Doepfer_a100% 40yahoogroups. com>
> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 4:27 PM
>
>
> I for one would love to see the following:
>
> 1. Voltage controlled digital oscillator akin to the Modcan VCDO.
> 2.CV recorder
> 3. Wavetable oscillator, as I would fucking love a Miniwave - but I rather
> not go through what noisesource did to get it in his case.
> 4. Preamp module!!! Seriously! Something to drop down the modular to
> standard line levels and maybe have a Jensen transformer in it for some
> sweetness.
> 5. An 8hp sequencer.
>
> cheers,
>
> Alex
>
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Bakis Sirros
> <synth_freak_ 2000@yahoo. com>wrote:
>
> > hi Group,
> >
> > some years ago, i had asked you to tell me new ides for forthcoming A100
> > modules and, after gathering all these ideas, i created many new polls...
> >
> > so, its time that we do the same!
> >
> > let me hear your, down to earth or crazy, ideas for future A100 modules!
> >
> > i'l gather the best ideas (that are not covered from existing a100
> modules)
> > and i'll create new polls about these modules.
> >
> > then, some of these may end up as new A100 modules...
> >
> > digital, analogue and hybrid modules ideas, all count!
> >
> > (let's make the A100 even more 'out of this world"...)
> >
> > also, this way, you may give food for thought to the whole modular
> > community...
> >
> > thanks,
> > best regards, :-)
> > Bakis.
> >
> > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> > www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> > www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> > www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> > www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> > www. DiN. org. uk
> > www. musicamaximamagneti ca. com
> > www. shimarecords. co. uk
> > www. rubberrecords. gr
> > Athens - Greece
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 
>

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My bad, I forgot oscillators are often shorthanded OSC.  I meant the
Open Sound Control.  I also tried some stuff with the Arduino and a
Make Controller, not enough resolution and a pain to work with, an OSC
to CV module would be awesome.
Any sort of interface for the computer to send as direct of CV
controls would be great.  I've come pretty close, on a hack level
running LFOs out of Max/MSP through a MOTU 828MK2 into the modular,
but some more precise, full featured, less hacky interface that could
handle OSC or LFOs out of a computer would be great.

-D

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Derek Holzer <derek@umatic.nl> wrote:
> Hi Florian,
>
> OSC = Open Sound Control
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSound_Control
>
> Basically, what we're talking about is a way of digitally controlling
> the analog synth from the computer, but with higher resolution and more
> flexibility than MIDI.
>
> best,
> Derek
>
> Florian Anwander wrote:
>> Don Kim schrieb:
>>> I would love to see some sort of OSC to CV converter.
>> Let me jump in here.
>>
>> We do have this already: the PLL A196 is a frequency to CV converter.
>> The low pass out is the CV-out. But I think the A196 is a too rough /
>> too hardcore implementation of the standard CD4046 PLL chip and not
>> really usable for Fq2CV.
>
> --
> derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista
> ---Oblique Strategy # 48:
> "Discover your formulas and abandon them"
>

so, you want a divider (with odd and even divisions from 1 to 32) module, and a pulse train generator?
you mean that the module should output 52 pulses in sync with its clock input?
so, you have an incoming clock, the divider sets the rate of the output pulses/gates and you also set the number of the output pulses that this module will give?
so, its like a clock divider but with a programmable number of output pulses?
i think i lost you on this...
if anyone other understands this, please help me...
 


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Argitoth <argitoth@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Argitoth <argitoth@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Let me hear your bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 8:51 PM






Bakis, Derek Holzer posted a link to a thread, might as well do the
same: http://modularsynth .net/viewtopic. php?p=13963# 13963

The link to the audio demo worked too, right? The link to the image
works fine for me. Check the thread to see the image. Ok, to answer
your question. I'm talking about only dividing by integers, 1, 2, 3, 4
up to however many. I'm taking into account economic or designing
issues, but I have NO idea how to design a module, that's why I made
them knobs instead of additional LCD screens. Yes, the clock with the
LCD screen should go from 1 to however many is possible, hopefully up
to 1024. So for example, if you want a rhythm in 13/8 time and you
want the rhythm to repeat every 4 measures, you would set the LCD
clock to 52. 13*2*2 = 52 which means 13 beats 4 times, which means 4
measures. Lol, sorry to spell it out.

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Derek Holzer <derek@umatic. nl> wrote:
> Hi Baksis,
>
> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ OpenSound_ Control
>
> Check my followup posts for some of my ideas.... which are basically
> similar to Guy's suggestion of a USB to CV interface with the ability to
> construct LFOs as well as notes in the computer. However, I think rather
> than bundle a dedicated software with such a controller, which would
> only increase the cost and lock the user into one kind of system, it
> would be better to allow the use of any kind of software which deals
> with OSC (Pure Data, Max/MSP, Reaktor, etc). Because it's an open
> protocol, there could be any number of possible software interfaces, and
> people would be free to design their own. And then the users could
> construct any kind of controlling messages they wish (envelopes,
> repeating or changing LFOs, notes, random modulation, intervals using
> multiple outputs, etc etc).
>
> best!
> Derek
>
> Bakis Sirros wrote:
>> details please.
>> (btw, i do not have any experience with the OSC protocol)
>> anyway, details of the features of this suggested module, please?
>
> --
> derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic. nl ::: http://blog. myspace.com/ macumbista
> ---Oblique Strategy # 24:
> "Bridges
> -build
> -burn"
>
> 

-- 
www.elanhickler. com
 














      

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Hi there,

I don't think I posted this link ;-)

Actually, this clock divider does does very different stuff than I 
proposed. What I propose is simply a DAC that takes OSC messages 
(0-1023) and converts them to voltage (0-5V) in high resolution, and 
with a high enough clock speed that if you sent a varying waveform out 
of it, it wouldn't sound "steppy". So it could be a digital envelope 
generator, LFO, sequencer, gate trigger, arpeggiator, sequence divider, 
whatever. It's function would be determined by what the user told it to 
do in the computer with the software of their choice.

D.

Argitoth wrote:
> Bakis, Derek Holzer posted a link to a thread, might as well do the
> same: http://modularsynth.net/viewtopic.php?p=13963#13963
> 
> The link to the audio demo worked too, right? The link to the image
> works fine for me. Check the thread to see the image. Ok, to answer
> your question. I'm talking about only dividing by integers, 1, 2, 3, 4
> up to however many. I'm taking into account economic or designing
> issues, but I have NO idea how to design a module, that's why I made
> them knobs instead of additional LCD screens. Yes, the clock with the
> LCD screen should go from 1 to however many is possible, hopefully up
> to 1024. So for example, if you want a rhythm in 13/8 time and you
> want the rhythm to repeat every 4 measures, you would set the LCD
> clock to 52. 13*2*2 = 52 which means 13 beats 4 times, which means 4
> measures. Lol, sorry to spell it out.
> 
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Derek Holzer <derek@umatic.nl> wrote:
>> Hi Baksis,
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSound_Control
>>
>> Check my followup posts for some of my ideas.... which are basically
>> similar to Guy's suggestion of a USB to CV interface with the ability to
>> construct LFOs as well as notes in the computer. However, I think rather
>> than bundle a dedicated software with such a controller, which would
>> only increase the cost and lock the user into one kind of system, it
>> would be better to allow the use of any kind of software which deals
>> with OSC (Pure Data, Max/MSP, Reaktor, etc). Because it's an open
>> protocol, there could be any number of possible software interfaces, and
>> people would be free to design their own. And then the users could
>> construct any kind of controlling messages they wish (envelopes,
>> repeating or changing LFOs, notes, random modulation, intervals using
>> multiple outputs, etc etc).
>>
>> best!
>> Derek
>>
>> Bakis Sirros wrote:
>>> details please.
>>> (btw, i do not have any experience with the OSC protocol)
>>> anyway, details of the features of this suggested module, please?
>> --
>> derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista
>> ---Oblique Strategy # 24:
>> "Bridges
>> -build
>> -burn"
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 

-- 
derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista
---Oblique Strategy # 69:
"Feed the recording back out of the medium"

Hi Don,

if you don't need things to make very sudden changes (i.e. less than a 
few milliseconds), you could send OSC messages via PD or Max through the 
Arduino and smooth them out with a slew limiter. I have a homebuilt 
version of the "Dual Bissell Generator" which does this just fine on the 
slowest slew setting, and it still feels pretty responsive. And with the 
newer Arduino, using the Atmega 168 chip, you get 4 PWM outs from the 
Arduino, which is enough for a couple voices if you use the digital outs 
for gates. I guess we're moving more in to Synth DIY territory now, 
since I guess this list is more for plug-and-play solutions... but at 
least I can say it's possible.

For a module, it would be nice to have more than 4 channels (maybe even 
16), perhaps a slew limiter built in to each channel or an overall slew 
limit setting. Oh yeah, and not to have to build it myself ;-)

best!
Derek

Don Kim wrote:
> My bad, I forgot oscillators are often shorthanded OSC.  I meant the
> Open Sound Control.  I also tried some stuff with the Arduino and a
> Make Controller, not enough resolution and a pain to work with, an OSC
> to CV module would be awesome.
> Any sort of interface for the computer to send as direct of CV
> controls would be great.  I've come pretty close, on a hack level
> running LFOs out of Max/MSP through a MOTU 828MK2 into the modular,
> but some more precise, full featured, less hacky interface that could
> handle OSC or LFOs out of a computer would be great.


-- 
derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista
---Oblique Strategy # 119:
"Mechanicalize something idiosyncratic"

ok, idea noted for a new poll to create, that will be for a usb to cv/gate module that will be receiving computer data (in OSC format, or otherwise) and will be translating it via a fast high resolution D to A converter into cv and gate signals for the a100, ok?
 


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Derek Holzer <derek@umatic.nl> wrote:

From: Derek Holzer <derek@umatic.nl>
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Let me hear your bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 9:06 PM






Hi there,

I don't think I posted this link ;-)

Actually, this clock divider does does very different stuff than I 
proposed. What I propose is simply a DAC that takes OSC messages 
(0-1023) and converts them to voltage (0-5V) in high resolution, and 
with a high enough clock speed that if you sent a varying waveform out 
of it, it wouldn't sound "steppy". So it could be a digital envelope 
generator, LFO, sequencer, gate trigger, arpeggiator, sequence divider, 
whatever. It's function would be determined by what the user told it to 
do in the computer with the software of their choice.

D.

Argitoth wrote:
> Bakis, Derek Holzer posted a link to a thread, might as well do the
> same: http://modularsynth .net/viewtopic. php?p=13963# 13963
> 
> The link to the audio demo worked too, right? The link to the image
> works fine for me. Check the thread to see the image. Ok, to answer
> your question. I'm talking about only dividing by integers, 1, 2, 3, 4
> up to however many. I'm taking into account economic or designing
> issues, but I have NO idea how to design a module, that's why I made
> them knobs instead of additional LCD screens. Yes, the clock with the
> LCD screen should go from 1 to however many is possible, hopefully up
> to 1024. So for example, if you want a rhythm in 13/8 time and you
> want the rhythm to repeat every 4 measures, you would set the LCD
> clock to 52. 13*2*2 = 52 which means 13 beats 4 times, which means 4
> measures. Lol, sorry to spell it out.
> 
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Derek Holzer <derek@umatic. nl> wrote:
>> Hi Baksis,
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ OpenSound_ Control
>>
>> Check my followup posts for some of my ideas.... which are basically
>> similar to Guy's suggestion of a USB to CV interface with the ability to
>> construct LFOs as well as notes in the computer. However, I think rather
>> than bundle a dedicated software with such a controller, which would
>> only increase the cost and lock the user into one kind of system, it
>> would be better to allow the use of any kind of software which deals
>> with OSC (Pure Data, Max/MSP, Reaktor, etc). Because it's an open
>> protocol, there could be any number of possible software interfaces, and
>> people would be free to design their own. And then the users could
>> construct any kind of controlling messages they wish (envelopes,
>> repeating or changing LFOs, notes, random modulation, intervals using
>> multiple outputs, etc etc).
>>
>> best!
>> Derek
>>
>> Bakis Sirros wrote:
>>> details please.
>>> (btw, i do not have any experience with the OSC protocol)
>>> anyway, details of the features of this suggested module, please?
>> --
>> derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic. nl ::: http://blog. myspace.com/ macumbista
>> ---Oblique Strategy # 24:
>> "Bridges
>> -build
>> -burn"
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 

-- 
derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic. nl ::: http://blog. myspace.com/ macumbista
---Oblique Strategy # 69:
"Feed the recording back out of the medium"
 














      

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Hi Baksis,

That's about right. OSC would be preferred, for maximum compatibility 
with existing softwares. MIDI would be least desirable ;-)

D.

Bakis Sirros wrote:
> ok, idea noted for a new poll to create, that will be for a usb to cv/gate module that will be receiving computer data (in OSC format, or otherwise) and will be translating it via a fast high resolution D to A converter into cv and gate signals for the a100, ok?


-- 
derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista
---Oblique Strategy # 26:
"Change ambiguities to specifics"

Hey Bakis, thanks for trying to understand my idea. Basically my idea
is just a bunch of clock dividers working in harmony to create complex
rhythms. I can easily demonstrate this in Nord Modular (which helped
me create the audio demo). Here's a link to the nord patch:
http://www.elanhickler.com/misc/complex_sequence.pch2

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Derek Holzer <derek@umatic.nl> wrote:
> Hi Baksis,
>
> That's about right. OSC would be preferred, for maximum compatibility
> with existing softwares. MIDI would be least desirable ;-)
>
> D.
>
> Bakis Sirros wrote:
>> ok, idea noted for a new poll to create, that will be for a usb to cv/gate
>> module that will be receiving computer data (in OSC format, or otherwise)
>> and will be translating it via a fast high resolution D to A converter into
>> cv and gate signals for the a100, ok?
>
> --
> derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista
> ---Oblique Strategy # 26:
> "Change ambiguities to specifics"
>
> 



-- 
www.elanhickler.com

Yep. That's it, Bakis.

I like Derek's idea about using existing software (Max, Reaktor...)  
for control of such a module, instead of dedicated (proprietary) apps.


- Guy


On 28 Oct 2008, at 21:02, Bakis Sirros wrote:

> ok, idea noted for a new poll to create, that will be for a usb to  
> cv/gate module that will be receiving computer data (in OSC format,  
> or otherwise) and will be translating it via a fast high resolution  
> D to A converter into cv and gate signals for the a100, ok?
>   .
>
>
> 



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1) an audio Compressor/limiter. It is very easy to blow out your  
speakers when playing with high-Q filters and such. A compressor/ 
limiter module would be very nice. External Compressor/limiters are  
fine but a module based one with extras like CV out of the detection  
circuits, CV sideband inputs - basically any internal CV paths  
brought out to use. Can be optical to cut cost.

2) a 5x5(or more) matrix mixer. I know this will be expensive but  
would be a very useful module. I could live with linear pots making  
mixing of CVs easier.

3) a simple CV to MIDI Note module. On a rising gate it samples the  
input CV - picks the nearest MIDI note value - outputs it with a note  
on command - at the drop of the gate it sends a note off. Monophonic.  
think of it like a Sample and hold with a quantizer that outputs MIDI.

-James

On Oct 28, 2008, at 7:15 AM, Bakis Sirros wrote:

> hi Group,
>
> some years ago, i had asked you to tell me new ides for forthcoming  
> A100 modules and, after gathering all these ideas, i created many  
> new polls...
>
> so, its time that we do the same!
>
> let me hear your, down to earth or crazy, ideas for future A100  
> modules!
>
> i'l gather the best ideas (that are not covered from existing a100  
> modules) and i'll create new polls about these modules.
>
> then, some of these may end up as new A100 modules...
>
> digital, analogue and hybrid modules ideas, all count!
>
> (let's make the A100 even more 'out of this world"...)
>
> also, this way, you may give food for thought to the whole modular  
> community...
>
> thanks,
> best regards,    :-)
> Bakis.
>
>
>
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> www. DiN. org. uk
> www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> www. shimarecords. co. uk
> www. rubberrecords. gr
> Athens - Greece
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

ok, poll will be created rather soon.
 
thanks,
Bakis.
 


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Wed, 10/29/08, Guy Drieghe D. <guy@guyd2.com> wrote:

From: Guy Drieghe D. <guy@guyd2.com>
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Let me hear your bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 12:19 AM







Yep. That's it, Bakis.

I like Derek's idea about using existing software (Max, Reaktor...) 
for control of such a module, instead of dedicated (proprietary) apps.

- Guy

On 28 Oct 2008, at 21:02, Bakis Sirros wrote:

> ok, idea noted for a new poll to create, that will be for a usb to 
> cv/gate module that will be receiving computer data (in OSC format, 
> or otherwise) and will be translating it via a fast high resolution 
> D to A converter into cv and gate signals for the a100, ok?
> .
>
>
> 

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What I propose is simply a DAC that takes OSC messages
> (0-1023) and converts them to voltage (0-5V) in high resolution, and
> with a high enough clock speed that if you sent a varying waveform out
> of it, it wouldn't sound "steppy". So it could be a digital envelope
> generator, LFO, sequencer, gate trigger, arpeggiator, sequence divider,
> whatever. It's function would be determined by what the user told it to
> do in the computer with the software of their choice.


brilliant idea imho

> Hi,
>
> I'd like to a have a module which converts (Roland-)DIN-sync to
> Doepfer-usable signals:
> - Clock to 8th- / 16th-triggers
> - and the start/stop/reset-signal to separate triggers
> - and the start/stop also as gate (simple feed through of this port).
>
> I know this can be achieved by combining some of existing modules, but
> this blocks a lot of modules and it is a shame, that there is no
> dedicated modul for this basically very simple task - especially because
> I think there are a lot of people who use 808 606 303 or similar stuff
> with their Doepfer units.
>
> Florian

I'll put it on our to-do list. Should be no problem (the main "problems" are
usually the expensive front panels but not the electronics)

Dieter

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von Florian Anwander
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Oktober 2008 18:01
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Frequency-to DV-Converter. Was: bright new
> ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
>
>
> Don Kim schrieb:
> > I would love to see some sort of OSC to CV converter.
> Let me jump in here.
>
> We do have this already: the PLL A196 is a frequency to CV converter.
> The low pass out is the CV-out. But I think the A196 is a too rough /
> too hardcore implementation of the standard CD4046 PLL chip and not
> really usable for Fq2CV.
>
>
> So we want something better. But then we have to decide for which task
> it is intended because there are different approaches how to achieve a
> fq2cv conversion.
>
> I could imagine a clock-to-CV converter which does not have to be the
> fastest, but should be finally quite exact. Typical example it could be
> used to make the BBD-modules controlled by the tempo, or LFOs in syc
> with the tempo. These can follow the incoming frequency over several
> ocataves. But they have to rely on a dedicated waveform of the incoming
> signal (best: rectangle).
>
> The other usage might be an instrument to CV voncerter, like in the Korg
> MS-03 or the Roland SPV-355; These were intended to follow a melody
> quite fast, and did not have to be very exact - and they only had a
> usable range of around one and a half octaves. If outside you had to
> adjust them again. These can handle all kinds of (monophonic) signals
> and are not very dependant on the waveform.
>
> I think those are two different (possible) modules.
>
> Florian

We are still working on such a module (A-195-1). The module will be probably
equipped with both a circuit that derives (or better: tries to derive) a
clean rectangle from the incoming monophonic audio signal and a circuit that
generates a voltage that corresponds to the frequency of this rectangle
signal (this is the easier part of the project). The internal rectangle
could be fed to the switching contact of a jack socket so that even an
external rectangle can be used to generate the frequency voltage. We could
add kind of a range switch to select between audio/clock frequencies and
several averaging modes (i.e. how many periodes of the rectangle are used to
generate the frequency voltage). But so far we have no release date for this
module.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

Hi Bakis

> i remember that you had suggested this modules some years ago...
damn... I hoped noone would notice that this is a repetition ;-)

> please, you mean that this suggested moule would have the start/stop/reset din input signals as trigger outputs for the a100, and the start/stop din signals as gate outs for the a100?
Yes. This is a correct description

Florian

> 3) a simple CV to MIDI Note module. On a rising gate it samples the
> input CV - picks the nearest MIDI note value - outputs it with a note
> on command - at the drop of the gate it sends a note off. Monophonic.
> think of it like a Sample and hold with a quantizer that outputs MIDI.
>
> -James

Already under development: www.doepfer.com > PRODUCTS > A-100 > Future
modules > A-192-2

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

I'd like to have a module able to control dynamics but with a very wide parameters range.
 
I mean a compressor/expander whose attack and release time could be set continuously from typical "compressor" values down to 0 sec (distorsion/waveshaping).
 
Double settings: upward from a threshold, downward from a second threshold. The ratio could be positive, negative, compression, expansion.
Similar to the actual waveshaping module but with time-constants and sidechain.
 
This should be very simple with something like That microchips, but should be a lot more interesting in discrete form (i.e. with FETs or other solutions).
 
A separate control voltage input overriding the internal control voltage would be interesting (like "sidechain" in compressors).

--- Mer 29/10/08, yahoo@doepfer.de <yahoo@doepfer.de> ha scritto:

Da: yahoo@doepfer.de <yahoo@doepfer.de>
Oggetto: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Frequency-to DV-Converter. Was: bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
A: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Data: Mercoledì 29 ottobre 2008, 10:46






> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht--- --
> Von: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com]Im Auftrag von Florian Anwander
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Oktober 2008 18:01
> An: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com
> Betreff: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Frequency-to DV-Converter. Was: bright new
> ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
>
>
> Don Kim schrieb:
> > I would love to see some sort of OSC to CV converter.
> Let me jump in here.
>
> We do have this already: the PLL A196 is a frequency to CV converter.
> The low pass out is the CV-out. But I think the A196 is a too rough /
> too hardcore implementation of the standard CD4046 PLL chip and not
> really usable for Fq2CV.
>
>
> So we want something better. But then we have to decide for which task
> it is intended because there are different approaches how to achieve a
> fq2cv conversion.
>
> I could imagine a clock-to-CV converter which does not have to be the
> fastest, but should be finally quite exact. Typical example it could be
> used to make the BBD-modules controlled by the tempo, or LFOs in syc
> with the tempo. These can follow the incoming frequency over several
> ocataves. But they have to rely on a dedicated waveform of the incoming
> signal (best: rectangle).
>
> The other usage might be an instrument to CV voncerter, like in the Korg
> MS-03 or the Roland SPV-355; These were intended to follow a melody
> quite fast, and did not have to be very exact - and they only had a
> usable range of around one and a half octaves. If outside you had to
> adjust them again. These can handle all kinds of (monophonic) signals
> and are not very dependant on the waveform.
>
> I think those are two different (possible) modules.
>
> Florian

We are still working on such a module (A-195-1). The module will be probably
equipped with both a circuit that derives (or better: tries to derive) a
clean rectangle from the incoming monophonic audio signal and a circuit that
generates a voltage that corresponds to the frequency of this rectangle
signal (this is the easier part of the project). The internal rectangle
could be fed to the switching contact of a jack socket so that even an
external rectangle can be used to generate the frequency voltage. We could
add kind of a range switch to select between audio/clock frequencies and
several averaging modes (i.e. how many periodes of the rectangle are used to
generate the frequency voltage). But so far we have no release date for this
module.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

 














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> How about a small step sequencer that modifies an incoming vc
> signal?  So you bring in a pitch, and it adds/subtracts to the
> vc, so you get an arpeggiator affect that is relational to the
> note you play on the keyboard.  (Or does this already exist?)

If you use e.g. the A-185-2 precision adder that's already possible. You
simply add the external CV to the sequencer CV and use the sum to control
your VCOs.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

ok, so the planned doepfer module covers both florian's ideas, ok?
 


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Wed, 10/29/08, yahoo@doepfer.de <yahoo@doepfer.de> wrote:

From: yahoo@doepfer.de <yahoo@doepfer.de>
Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Frequency-to DV-Converter. Was: bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 11:46 AM






> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht--- --
> Von: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com]Im Auftrag von Florian Anwander
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Oktober 2008 18:01
> An: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com
> Betreff: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Frequency-to DV-Converter. Was: bright new
> ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
>
>
> Don Kim schrieb:
> > I would love to see some sort of OSC to CV converter.
> Let me jump in here.
>
> We do have this already: the PLL A196 is a frequency to CV converter.
> The low pass out is the CV-out. But I think the A196 is a too rough /
> too hardcore implementation of the standard CD4046 PLL chip and not
> really usable for Fq2CV.
>
>
> So we want something better. But then we have to decide for which task
> it is intended because there are different approaches how to achieve a
> fq2cv conversion.
>
> I could imagine a clock-to-CV converter which does not have to be the
> fastest, but should be finally quite exact. Typical example it could be
> used to make the BBD-modules controlled by the tempo, or LFOs in syc
> with the tempo. These can follow the incoming frequency over several
> ocataves. But they have to rely on a dedicated waveform of the incoming
> signal (best: rectangle).
>
> The other usage might be an instrument to CV voncerter, like in the Korg
> MS-03 or the Roland SPV-355; These were intended to follow a melody
> quite fast, and did not have to be very exact - and they only had a
> usable range of around one and a half octaves. If outside you had to
> adjust them again. These can handle all kinds of (monophonic) signals
> and are not very dependant on the waveform.
>
> I think those are two different (possible) modules.
>
> Florian

We are still working on such a module (A-195-1). The module will be probably
equipped with both a circuit that derives (or better: tries to derive) a
clean rectangle from the incoming monophonic audio signal and a circuit that
generates a voltage that corresponds to the frequency of this rectangle
signal (this is the easier part of the project). The internal rectangle
could be fed to the switching contact of a jack socket so that even an
external rectangle can be used to generate the frequency voltage. We could
add kind of a range switch to select between audio/clock frequencies and
several averaging modes (i.e. how many periodes of the rectangle are used to
generate the frequency voltage). But so far we have no release date for this
module.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

 














      

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a 4 ch mixer with 4 spacial outs like the Buchla 200e mixer,,I think 
Cwejman have a similar thing.

hello,
 
i'm sure this is achievable with existing modules, if it is could someone explain how (four phase shifters?), but the other day I decided that I could do with a module in which you can input a waveform audio or cv and have seperate outputs in 90 deg/180/270 deg etc phases.like the quadrature modules which exist but from an input rather than internal occillators.
a quad-phase shifter i suppose? using four seperate phase shifters-would you be able to set them accurately enough?
diy'ers-would this be simple enough to knock up? i'm no engineer but i can solder things together ok. sounds simple to me....but then lots of things do that aren't. :(



To: doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.comFrom: synth_freak_2000@yahoo.comDate: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:15:17 -0700Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Let me hear your bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!




hi Group,some years ago, i had asked you to tell me new ides for forthcoming A100 modules and, after gathering all these ideas, i created many new polls...so, its time that we do the same!let me hear your, down to earth or crazy, ideas for future A100 modules!i'l gather the best ideas (that are not covered from existing a100 modules) and i'll create new polls about these modules.then, some of these may end up as new A100 modules...digital, analogue and hybrid modules ideas, all count! (let's make the A100 even more 'out of this world"...)also, this way, you may give food for thought to the whole modular community...thanks,best regards, :-)Bakis.Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist[Doepfer_a100] group ownerwww. parallel - worlds - music. comwww. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusicwww. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusicwww. myspace. com/ memorygeistwww. DiN. org. ukwww. musicamaximamagnetica. comwww. shimarecords. co. ukwww. rubberrecords. grAthens - Greece 





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> hello,
>
> i'm sure this is achievable with existing modules, if it is could
> someone explain how (four phase shifters?), but the other day I
> decided that I could do with a module in which you can input a
> waveform audio or cv and have seperate outputs in 90 deg/180/270
> deg etc phases.like the quadrature modules which exist but from
> an input rather than internal occillators.
> a quad-phase shifter i suppose? using four seperate phase
> shifters-would you be able to set them accurately enough?
> diy'ers-would this be simple enough to knock up? i'm no engineer
> but i can solder things together ok. sounds simple to me....but
> then lots of things do that aren't. :(

A 90 degree phase shift over a wide frequency range is not easy to realize
because the phase shift of a normal phase shifter is not constant over the
frequency but depends upon the frequency! It's the function of the dome
filters in the (obsolete) A-126 frequency shifter. In the A-126 we used a
12-stage allpass filter to approximate a 90 degrees phase shift in the
frequency range 6 Hz ... 12 kHz with +/-2 degrees error. It's very difficult
to adjust a dome filter as the phase shift of each all pass affects the
others too. It took more than 30 minutes to adjust the dome filter of the
A-126.

180 and 270 degrees can be achieved by intverting the signal (180) or the 90
degree signal (270).

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

btw, here is my idea (not bright or new, sorry ...):
 
a new high quality Doepfer A100 frequency shifter module with a much wider frequency range of its internal carrier than the a126!
 
i really want that.
 
so, Dieter, is that in the planning stage, or should i create a poll for it?
 


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Wed, 10/29/08, yahoo@doepfer.de <yahoo@doepfer.de> wrote:

From: yahoo@doepfer.de <yahoo@doepfer.de>
Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Let me hear your bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 3:48 PM






> hello,
>
> i'm sure this is achievable with existing modules, if it is could
> someone explain how (four phase shifters?), but the other day I
> decided that I could do with a module in which you can input a
> waveform audio or cv and have seperate outputs in 90 deg/180/270
> deg etc phases.like the quadrature modules which exist but from
> an input rather than internal occillators.
> a quad-phase shifter i suppose? using four seperate phase
> shifters-would you be able to set them accurately enough?
> diy'ers-would this be simple enough to knock up? i'm no engineer
> but i can solder things together ok. sounds simple to me....but
> then lots of things do that aren't. :(

A 90 degree phase shift over a wide frequency range is not easy to realize
because the phase shift of a normal phase shifter is not constant over the
frequency but depends upon the frequency! It's the function of the dome
filters in the (obsolete) A-126 frequency shifter. In the A-126 we used a
12-stage allpass filter to approximate a 90 degrees phase shift in the
frequency range 6 Hz ... 12 kHz with +/-2 degrees error. It's very difficult
to adjust a dome filter as the phase shift of each all pass affects the
others too. It took more than 30 minutes to adjust the dome filter of the
A-126.

180 and 270 degrees can be achieved by intverting the signal (180) or the 90
degree signal (270).

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

 














      

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

ah, thanks for explaining Dieter, once again i am foiled by pesky physics!
looks like you'll sell me some of the quad lfo / vco modules then!
there's always a silver lining!
 
thanks,
 
Will.



To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.comFrom: yahoo@doepfer.deDate: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:48:32 +0100Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Let me hear your bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!




> hello,>> i'm sure this is achievable with existing modules, if it is could> someone explain how (four phase shifters?), but the other day I> decided that I could do with a module in which you can input a> waveform audio or cv and have seperate outputs in 90 deg/180/270> deg etc phases.like the quadrature modules which exist but from> an input rather than internal occillators.> a quad-phase shifter i suppose? using four seperate phase> shifters-would you be able to set them accurately enough?> diy'ers-would this be simple enough to knock up? i'm no engineer> but i can solder things together ok. sounds simple to me....but> then lots of things do that aren't. :(A 90 degree phase shift over a wide frequency range is not easy to realizebecause the phase shift of a normal phase shifter is not constant over thefrequency but depends upon the frequency! It's the function of the domefilters in the (obsolete) A-126 frequency shifter. In the A-126 we used a12-stage allpass filter to approximate a 90 degrees phase shift in thefrequency range 6 Hz ... 12 kHz with +/-2 degrees error. It's very difficultto adjust a dome filter as the phase shift of each all pass affects theothers too. It took more than 30 minutes to adjust the dome filter of theA-126.180 and 270 degrees can be achieved by intverting the signal (180) or the 90degree signal (270).Best wishesDieter Doepfer 





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> btw, here is my idea (not bright or new, sorry ...):
>  
> a new high quality Doepfer A100 frequency shifter module with a
> much wider frequency range of its internal carrier than the a126!
>  
> i really want that.
>  
> so, Dieter, is that in the planning stage, or should i create a
> poll for it?

Bakis,

we have a new frequency shifter without internal quadrature oscillator
already in the development state. The new frequency shifter can be combined
with the A-143-9 as quadrature oscillator. In addition the new frequency
shifter will be equipped with a squelch circuit (envelope follower + VCA)
that can be turned on/off.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

that's great!    :-)


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Wed, 10/29/08, yahoo@doepfer.de <yahoo@doepfer.de> wrote:

From: yahoo@doepfer.de <yahoo@doepfer.de>
Subject: AW: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Let me hear your bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 7:10 PM






> btw, here is my idea (not bright or new, sorry ...):
>  
> a new high quality Doepfer A100 frequency shifter module with a
> much wider frequency range of its internal carrier than the a126!
>  
> i really want that.
>  
> so, Dieter, is that in the planning stage, or should i create a
> poll for it?

Bakis,

we have a new frequency shifter without internal quadrature oscillator
already in the development state. The new frequency shifter can be combined
with the A-143-9 as quadrature oscillator. In addition the new frequency
shifter will be equipped with a squelch circuit (envelope follower + VCA)
that can be turned on/off.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

 














      

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Agreed. Just bought the cwejman for this very reason.

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, amnesia <amnesia@...> wrote:

>
> a 4 ch mixer with 4 spacial outs like the Buchla 200e mixer,,I think 
> Cwejman have a similar thing.
>

1) General CV mangler unit combining:
- +/- offset
- lag
- inverter/multiplier
- comparator -> gate

With two outputs: one for a gate, one for a CV.

I'd have bought this in a heartbeat.

2) Combined noise + normalled S&H. 

Personally, as much as I like both the existing Noise and S&H 
modules, I can't help thinking that combining a normalled noise into 
the S&H would have saved me some valuable space.

Again, another unit I'd have bought from the off.

Lest this be construed as ingratitude, I have to add that I'm 
incredibly thankful that we have the likes of Dieter creating modular 
analogues in 2008. Six months ago, owning a modular seemed like some 
weird dream.

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
<synth_freak_2000@...> wrote:
>
> hi Group,
> 
> some years ago, i had asked you to tell me new ides for forthcoming 
A100 modules and, after gathering all these ideas, i created many new 
polls...
> 
> so, its time that we do the same!
> 
> let me hear your, down to earth or crazy, ideas for future A100 
modules!
> 
> i'l gather the best ideas (that are not covered from existing a100 
modules) and i'll create new polls about these modules.
> 
> then, some of these may end up as new A100 modules...
> 
> digital, analogue and hybrid modules ideas, all count! 
> 
> (let's make the A100 even more 'out of this world"...)
> 
> also, this way, you may give food for thought to the whole modular 
community...

> 
> thanks,
> best regards,    :-)
> Bakis.
> 
> 
> 
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> www. DiN. org. uk
> www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> www. shimarecords. co. uk
> www. rubberrecords. gr
> Athens - Greece
>

how about a Voltage controlled Parametric Equaliser?

Perhaps a bit off-topic...

Anyone in here aware of (Digital) Multimeter software for OS X ?
(plus of course the A/D hardware & interface)


cheers,

_Guy

How about a USB mouse to CV interface. CV out for X and Y and Wheel  
(with range controls) and two or three buttons. User supplies the  
mouse or any other USP controller that outputs mouse-like signals.

On Oct 29, 2008, at 4:09 PM, Sean Williams wrote:

> how about a Voltage controlled Parametric Equaliser?
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

OSC to CV would cover this and way more since any HID would be able to
be used from Wiimote to iphone to graphics tablet to a simple joystick
or mouse.

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 5:52 PM, James Husted <the_ersatz_planet@mac.com> wrote:
> How about a USB mouse to CV interface. CV out for X and Y and Wheel
> (with range controls) and two or three buttons. User supplies the
> mouse or any other USP controller that outputs mouse-like signals.
>

I'm in total agreement. Let's hear it for open standards!

D.

Don Kim wrote:
> OSC to CV would cover this and way more since any HID would be able to
> be used from Wiimote to iphone to graphics tablet to a simple joystick
> or mouse.
> 
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 5:52 PM, James Husted <the_ersatz_planet@mac.com> wrote:
>> How about a USB mouse to CV interface. CV out for X and Y and Wheel
>> (with range controls) and two or three buttons. User supplies the
>> mouse or any other USP controller that outputs mouse-like signals.


-- 
derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista
---Oblique Strategy # 5:
"Abandon normal instructions"

I would imagine that the OSC interface would require a computer  
somewhere for programming and also require much more computing  
horsepower in the module itself. I was thinking of a low cost, easy to  
use module. Just plug in a mouse with no programming at all. The OSC  
module is cool and can do the same task of course. Many modules in a  
system can do varying degrees of the same thing as others. I  
personally don't need the power of the OSC module. I say make both!
-James
On Oct 29, 2008, at 7:35 PM, Don Kim wrote:

> OSC to CV would cover this and way more since any HID would be able to
> be used from Wiimote to iphone to graphics tablet to a simple joystick
> or mouse.
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 5:52 PM, James Husted <the_ersatz_planet@mac.com 
> > wrote:
>> How about a USB mouse to CV interface. CV out for X and Y and Wheel
>> (with range controls) and two or three buttons. User supplies the
>> mouse or any other USP controller that outputs mouse-like signals.
>>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>



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i think this was suggested before in the past, but i'll make a poll again.
with what, more specific, features?

Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Sean Williams <sean@artifactrecords.com> wrote:

From: Sean Williams <sean@artifactrecords.com>
Subject: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Let me hear your bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 1:09 AM






how about a Voltage controlled Parametric Equaliser?
 














      

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ok, idea noted.
 


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Thu, 10/30/08, James Husted <the_ersatz_planet@mac.com> wrote:

From: James Husted <the_ersatz_planet@mac.com>
Subject: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Let me hear your bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 2:52 AM






How about a USB mouse to CV interface. CV out for X and Y and Wheel 
(with range controls) and two or three buttons. User supplies the 
mouse or any other USP controller that outputs mouse-like signals.

On Oct 29, 2008, at 4:09 PM, Sean Williams wrote:

> how about a Voltage controlled Parametric Equaliser?
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

 














      

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ok, both polls will be created, don't worry...    :-)


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Thu, 10/30/08, James Husted <the_ersatz_planet@mac.com> wrote:

From: James Husted <the_ersatz_planet@mac.com>
Subject: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Let me hear your bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 5:05 AM






I would imagine that the OSC interface would require a computer 
somewhere for programming and also require much more computing 
horsepower in the module itself. I was thinking of a low cost, easy to 
use module. Just plug in a mouse with no programming at all. The OSC 
module is cool and can do the same task of course. Many modules in a 
system can do varying degrees of the same thing as others. I 
personally don't need the power of the OSC module. I say make both!
-James
On Oct 29, 2008, at 7:35 PM, Don Kim wrote:

> OSC to CV would cover this and way more since any HID would be able to
> be used from Wiimote to iphone to graphics tablet to a simple joystick
> or mouse.
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 5:52 PM, James Husted <the_ersatz_planet@ mac.com 
> > wrote:
>> How about a USB mouse to CV interface. CV out for X and Y and Wheel
>> (with range controls) and two or three buttons. User supplies the
>> mouse or any other USP controller that outputs mouse-like signals.
>>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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top of my list would be a bright new sampler:

8/16 (maybe also 24?) bit sampling
gate (not trigger) for play/record
gate to select play or record
cv input for sample rate
cv input to scan through sample
separate audio outs for monitoring (which i don't need in my patches)
and playing (to avoid phasing and volume problems associated with
hearing the original signal and monitor signal together)

a stereo version would have the advantage of being usable to record cv
and gate signals for use as a sequencer.

second on my list would be essentially an arduino board mounted to a
frontplate:

midi/serial in and out
usb socket
as many ins/outs as the chip (atmel or something) provides.

cheers,

stu

Hi Stu

I have some addon features for this:
> 8/16 (maybe also 24?) bit sampling

> gate (not trigger) for play/record
replace this by:
gate(+switch) for run/stop
gate(+switch) to select between single shot / loop mode
gate(+switch) to switch from gated mode to so called "release-mode" (if 
in single shot, the sample should be played to the end; if in loop mode, 
the loop should be played endlessly until the next start/retrigger is 
given).
trigger(+momentary-switch) for restart
trigger(+momentary-switch) for start
trigger(+momentary-switch) for stop (use case: two samples eliminate 
each other, like hihat/openhat).

> gate to select play or record
This record setting should be an pre-enable setting; the real write 
setting should be done by the start signal.

> cv input for sample rate
> cv input to scan through sample
cv inputs for start point / stop point / perhaps also loop start 
(similar to the editing the Akai S612)

> separate audio outs for monitoring (which i don't need in my patches)
> and playing (to avoid phasing and volume problems associated with
> hearing the original signal and monitor signal together)
> 
> a stereo version would have the advantage of being usable to record cv
> and gate signals for use as a sequencer.
The module should be mono, but there should be the possibility to link 
several modules by the clock and the address bus, so it would become 
stereo or even multi-channel. The write/play selector should stay 
independent on each.


There should be either two (switchable) inputs and outputs: one 
AC-coupled for Audio, one DC-coupled with suppression of negative 
signals for recording CV and/or gate.
Or the module should be produced basically as the identical module but 
in two versions. One ac-coupled for Audio, one for dc-coupled for CV/gate.

The dc-coupled version might have additional three 
trigger-in/momentary-switches for
- count RAM-address one step forward
- count RAM-address one step backward
- write input value to actual step.
This would be similar to the programming of the roland CSQ-600.



Florian

that sounds great.
so, i guess these will be the feauters of an advanced vc sampler/wavetable module. ok?
 


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Florian Anwander <fanwander@mnet-online.de> wrote:

From: Florian Anwander <fanwander@mnet-online.de>
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Sampler CV/Gate Recorder - was: bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 2:21 PM






Hi Stu

I have some addon features for this:
> 8/16 (maybe also 24?) bit sampling

> gate (not trigger) for play/record
replace this by:
gate(+switch) for run/stop
gate(+switch) to select between single shot / loop mode
gate(+switch) to switch from gated mode to so called "release-mode" (if 
in single shot, the sample should be played to the end; if in loop mode, 
the loop should be played endlessly until the next start/retrigger is 
given).
trigger(+momentary- switch) for restart
trigger(+momentary- switch) for start
trigger(+momentary- switch) for stop (use case: two samples eliminate 
each other, like hihat/openhat) .

> gate to select play or record
This record setting should be an pre-enable setting; the real write 
setting should be done by the start signal.

> cv input for sample rate
> cv input to scan through sample
cv inputs for start point / stop point / perhaps also loop start 
(similar to the editing the Akai S612)

> separate audio outs for monitoring (which i don't need in my patches)
> and playing (to avoid phasing and volume problems associated with
> hearing the original signal and monitor signal together)
> 
> a stereo version would have the advantage of being usable to record cv
> and gate signals for use as a sequencer.
The module should be mono, but there should be the possibility to link 
several modules by the clock and the address bus, so it would become 
stereo or even multi-channel. The write/play selector should stay 
independent on each.

There should be either two (switchable) inputs and outputs: one 
AC-coupled for Audio, one DC-coupled with suppression of negative 
signals for recording CV and/or gate.
Or the module should be produced basically as the identical module but 
in two versions. One ac-coupled for Audio, one for dc-coupled for CV/gate.

The dc-coupled version might have additional three 
trigger-in/momentar y-switches for
- count RAM-address one step forward
- count RAM-address one step backward
- write input value to actual step.
This would be similar to the programming of the roland CSQ-600.

Florian
 














      

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hi florian, bakis,
 
> > gate (not trigger) for play/record
> replace this by:
> gate(+switch) for run/stop
> gate(+switch) to select between single shot / loop mode
> gate(+switch) to switch from gated mode to so called "release-mode" (if 
> in single shot, the sample should be played to the end; if in loop
mode, 
> the loop should be played endlessly until the next start/retrigger is 
> given).

i'm personally not a fan of leaving running, looping, one-shotting and
stopping to the sampler, i think gating it continuously allows more
control.

> trigger(+momentary-switch) for restart

would a start trigger not do the same anyway? if the module were to be
controlled by gates (see above) then a retrigger input would indeed
make sense.
> 
> > gate to select play or record
> This record setting should be an pre-enable setting; the real write 
> setting should be done by the start signal.

i agree. you've put it more clearly than i did.

i think there is a danger here of loading the thing up with so many
features that it becomes a small minority's perfect module, but
unnecessarily expensive for most others - especially those who would
potentially buy four or more, interesting though many of these ideas
are. i suppose it's a matter of taste, but maybe bakis, you could
include a slimmer version in the poll?

stu

Hi Bakis

> that sounds great.
> so, i guess these will be the feauters of an advanced vc sampler/wavetable module. ok?
Maybe.

Another idea (based on the original Doepfer SoundSampleSystem from 1984):

Make one base module with
- signal A/D-in (on the frontplate)
- signal D/A-out (on the frontplate)
- switch for ac/dc coupling
- internal ribboncable connector for addressbus, clock, chip enable, 
write enable

Add different control modules for different approaches like (similar to 
the A154 which is a control module for the A155):
1.) basic sampler control: Highspeed VCO with start/stop by gate
2.) extended audio sampler control (like described in my other mail)
3.) extended cv/gate recorder control (like described in my other mail)

Florian

Sorry, more details:

A Dual/Stereo Parametric Equaliser
2 audio inputs, 2 audio outputs
+/- 15dB Gain, CV controlled +/- 5V
Q/bandwidth, CV controlled
Centre Frequency 20-20KHz, CV controlled.

A Switch to route all CV controls for the first EQ section to be 
normalled to control the second section for stereo operation.

If you want to have 2 band mono, just patch output 1 to input 2. If 
you want 2 band stereo, just buy a second module!

This would have to be good enough quality to route a stereo mix 
through. Perhaps this is where a truly top quality stereo audio 
preamp module would be really useful. I often process parts of my 
entire mix through my modular and edit these chunks back into the 
mix, but it's sometimes a worry as to the sound quality due to the 
modular preamps.

Sean


>i think this was suggested before in the past, but i'll make a poll again.
>with what, more specific, features?
>
>Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
>[Doepfer_a100] group owner
>www. parallel - worlds - music. com
>www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
>www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
>www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
>www. DiN. org. uk
>www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
>www. shimarecords. co. uk
>www. rubberrecords. gr
>Athens - Greece
>
>--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Sean Williams 
><<mailto:sean%40artifactrecords.com>sean@artifactrecords.com> wrote:
>
>From: Sean Williams 
><<mailto:sean%40artifactrecords.com>sean@artifactrecords.com>
>Subject: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Let me hear your bright new ideas 
>for future Doepfer A100 modules!
>To: <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 1:09 AM
>
>how about a Voltage controlled Parametric Equaliser?
>
>
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>
>


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Hi Stu

 > i'm personally not a fan of leaving running, looping, one-shotting and
 > stopping to the sampler, i think gating it continuously allows more
 > control.
If you want to do wavetable like stuff, you need a loop in the 
release-phase of an ADSR.envelope. If you do drummachine like stuff, you 
want the sample have sound even after key release (gate-off), e.g. a 
cymbal sound,


 >> trigger(+momentary-switch) for restart
 > would a start trigger not do the same anyway?  if the module were to be
 > controlled by gates (see above) then a retrigger input would indeed
 > make sense.
It would make sense also with start AND stop triggers. Imagine some 
dance performance, where the dancer starts a loop by touching a pad, 
another dancer retriggers it by a second pad and a third pad (at the 
other side of the stage) is used for stopping the loop. Three triggers 
for different approach.



 > i think there is a danger here of loading the thing up with so many
 > features that it becomes a small minority's perfect module, but
 > unnecessarily expensive for most others - especially those who would
 > potentially buy four or more, interesting though many of these ideas
 > are. i suppose it's a matter of taste, but maybe bakis, you could
 > include a slimmer version in the poll?
That is why I suggested in a second mail a separation of the sample and 
the control module.

Florian

ok, idea noted. this will be yet another poll.
one poll for a vc sampler for audio, one for a vc sampler for dc(cv/gates) and one for a more generic module like the one that you describe in this email.


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Florian Anwander <fanwander@mnet-online.de> wrote:

From: Florian Anwander <fanwander@mnet-online.de>
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Sampler CV/Gate Recorder - was: bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 3:09 PM






Hi Bakis

> that sounds great.
> so, i guess these will be the feauters of an advanced vc sampler/wavetable module. ok?
Maybe.

Another idea (based on the original Doepfer SoundSampleSystem from 1984):

Make one base module with
- signal A/D-in (on the frontplate)
- signal D/A-out (on the frontplate)
- switch for ac/dc coupling
- internal ribboncable connector for addressbus, clock, chip enable, 
write enable

Add different control modules for different approaches like (similar to 
the A154 which is a control module for the A155):
1.) basic sampler control: Highspeed VCO with start/stop by gate
2.) extended audio sampler control (like described in my other mail)
3.) extended cv/gate recorder control (like described in my other mail)

Florian
 














      

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ok, great. poll on the way for this too.


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Sean Williams <sean@artifactrecords.com> wrote:

From: Sean Williams <sean@artifactrecords.com>
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Stereo Paremtric EQ
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 3:12 PM






Sorry, more details:

A Dual/Stereo Parametric Equaliser
2 audio inputs, 2 audio outputs
+/- 15dB Gain, CV controlled +/- 5V
Q/bandwidth, CV controlled
Centre Frequency 20-20KHz, CV controlled.

A Switch to route all CV controls for the first EQ section to be 
normalled to control the second section for stereo operation.

If you want to have 2 band mono, just patch output 1 to input 2. If 
you want 2 band stereo, just buy a second module!

This would have to be good enough quality to route a stereo mix 
through. Perhaps this is where a truly top quality stereo audio 
preamp module would be really useful. I often process parts of my 
entire mix through my modular and edit these chunks back into the 
mix, but it's sometimes a worry as to the sound quality due to the 
modular preamps.

Sean

>i think this was suggested before in the past, but i'll make a poll again.
>with what, more specific, features?
>
>Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
>[Doepfer_a100] group owner
>www. parallel - worlds - music. com
>www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
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>www. DiN. org. uk
>www. musicamaximamagneti ca. com
>www. shimarecords. co. uk
>www. rubberrecords. gr
>Athens - Greece
>
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>From: Sean Williams 
><<mailto:sean% 40artifactrecord s.com>sean@artifactrecord s.com>
>Subject: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Let me hear your bright new ideas 
>for future Doepfer A100 modules!
>To: <mailto:Doepfer_ a100%40yahoogrou ps.com>Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com
>Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 1:09 AM
>
>how about a Voltage controlled Parametric Equaliser?
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no problem. just tell me what the 'slimmer version' should have.

 

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[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
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--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Stu Grimshaw <grimshaw@stugrimshaw.com> wrote:

From: Stu Grimshaw <grimshaw@stugrimshaw.com>
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Sampler CV/Gate Recorder - was: bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 3:40 PM






hi florian, bakis,

> > gate (not trigger) for play/record
> replace this by:
> gate(+switch) for run/stop
> gate(+switch) to select between single shot / loop mode
> gate(+switch) to switch from gated mode to so called "release-mode" (if 
> in single shot, the sample should be played to the end; if in loop
mode, 
> the loop should be played endlessly until the next start/retrigger is 
> given).

i'm personally not a fan of leaving running, looping, one-shotting and
stopping to the sampler, i think gating it continuously allows more
control.

> trigger(+momentary- switch) for restart

would a start trigger not do the same anyway? if the module were to be
controlled by gates (see above) then a retrigger input would indeed
make sense.
> 
> > gate to select play or record
> This record setting should be an pre-enable setting; the real write 
> setting should be done by the start signal.

i agree. you've put it more clearly than i did.

i think there is a danger here of loading the thing up with so many
features that it becomes a small minority's perfect module, but
unnecessarily expensive for most others - especially those who would
potentially buy four or more, interesting though many of these ideas
are. i suppose it's a matter of taste, but maybe bakis, you could
include a slimmer version in the poll?

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so, the cheap solution would be the base module plus the basic sampler add-on module and the more expensive solution would be the base module plus the full-featured audio or cv recorder add-on module, right?
 


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[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
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www. rubberrecords. gr
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--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Florian Anwander <fanwander@mnet-online.de> wrote:

From: Florian Anwander <fanwander@mnet-online.de>
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Sampler CV/Gate Recorder - was: bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 5:20 PM






Hi Stu

> i'm personally not a fan of leaving running, looping, one-shotting and
> stopping to the sampler, i think gating it continuously allows more
> control.
If you want to do wavetable like stuff, you need a loop in the 
release-phase of an ADSR.envelope. If you do drummachine like stuff, you 
want the sample have sound even after key release (gate-off), e.g. a 
cymbal sound,

>> trigger(+momentary- switch) for restart
> would a start trigger not do the same anyway? if the module were to be
> controlled by gates (see above) then a retrigger input would indeed
> make sense.
It would make sense also with start AND stop triggers. Imagine some 
dance performance, where the dancer starts a loop by touching a pad, 
another dancer retriggers it by a second pad and a third pad (at the 
other side of the stage) is used for stopping the loop. Three triggers 
for different approach.

> i think there is a danger here of loading the thing up with so many
> features that it becomes a small minority's perfect module, but
> unnecessarily expensive for most others - especially those who would
> potentially buy four or more, interesting though many of these ideas
> are. i suppose it's a matter of taste, but maybe bakis, you could
> include a slimmer version in the poll?
That is why I suggested in a second mail a separation of the sample and 
the control module.

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I think such a module would be very interesting!
See my comments below on what I'd like to see in such a module. 

Christophe


>> gate to select play or record
>This record setting should be an pre-enable setting; the real write
>setting should be done by the start signal.

I'd like to have the module to record and play at the same time, so, having one gate for record and another for play. This way we would have a digital delay in the same module, but also have more experimental options where the module could be continuously playing a loop and then part of it is replaced -- still playing the loop.

>> cv input for sample rate

It would be great if negative voltages would lead to the sample being played backwards.

>> cv input to scan through sample
>cv inputs for start point / stop point / perhaps also loop start
>(similar to the editing the Akai S612)

I'd like to change the current playing position (similar to the above suggestions). So I could record a loop and then use a sequencer to pick the playing point at each note. This would require one extra feature: a cross fade between the old and new sample-play position. It would be nice to have a knob to select the length (I would suggest 0-50 samples) but I don't think it needs VC. Same type of crossfade would be desirable if the record mode starts in the middle of the sample (crossfade between old and new sound).


>> separate audio outs for monitoring (which i don't need in my patches)
>> and playing (to avoid phasing and volume problems associated with
>> hearing the original signal and monitor signal together)
>>
>> a stereo version would have the advantage of being usable to record cv
>> and gate signals for use as a sequencer.
>The module should be mono, but there should be the possibility to link
>several modules by the clock and the address bus, so it would become
>stereo or even multi-channel. The write/play selector should stay
>independent on each.

Why not have two outputs with independent positions? Opens possibilities for ping-pong delays, as well as stereo chorussing, a loop playing in canon and the monitoring function.  

I think the independent input, output and monitoring would make it a real live performer, and that is how I like to use my modular!

     



      

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Hi Christophe

 > I'd like to have the module to record and play at the same time, so,
 > having one gate for record and another for play.
 > [...]
 > This would
 > require one extra feature: a cross fade between the old and new
 > sample-play position.
 > [...]
 > Same type of crossfade would be desirable if the record mode starts in
 > the middle of the sample (crossfade between old and new sound).

Those suggestions require heavy hardcore DSP programming.
A simple sampler could be achieved much easier by an A/D-converter, a 
clocked counter and a SRAM chip. Dieter did this in the SSS-modules 20 
years ago.


 > It would be great if negative voltages would lead to the sample being
 > played backwards.
cute idea, but assumingly not easy to achieve (at least in an exact 
reproducable way).


 > Why not have two outputs with independent positions? Opens
 > possibilities for ping-pong delays, as well as stereo chorussing,
 > a loop playing in canon and the monitoring function.
Very fine idea. This would require to have the same clock, but 
independant address counters. This leads again to a even more modulized 
version: separate modules for
- highspeed VCO module,
- VC addresscounter module,
- A/D-RAM-D/A module


 > I think the independent input, output and monitoring would make it a
 > real live performer, and that is how I like to use my modular!
Definitely true

Florian

Hi Bakis

> ok, idea noted. this will be yet another poll.
> one poll for a vc sampler for audio, one for a vc sampler for dc(cv/gates) and one for a more generic module like the one that you describe in this email.


I am not realy sure about how a sampler should be done like. I 
personally prefer an more modulized approach (see my answer to 
Christophe). But on the other hand Dieter once wrote here, that this 
kind of deeply modulized modules do not sell very well.

A possible poll could be:

Whould you buy a sampler module different from the actual A-112
[ ]yes / [ ]no

If yes:
Would you prefer
[ ] a sophisticated all in one module. This version would be quite 
expensive, and have a long development time.
[ ] a group of modules which can be combined for different approaches. 
Example: A112-1 A/D-RAM-D/A base modul, dc- or ac-coupled. A-112-2 
Highspeed-VCO with simple addresscounter (for simple oneshot usage). 
A-112-3 VC-Addresscounter with external clock-in and Voltage- or 
Gate-control for different positions and run modes. A-112-4 
VC-Adresscounter with addition for the usage as step editable CV-recorder.
This version would be more expensive in total due to higher hardware 
costs, but would provide also a less expensive starter setup.


Florian

hi florian,
 
can you integrate this suggestion of yours with your own original idea about this module?
i am a bit lost. 
what do you use the vc addresscounter submodule for? 
for the two independent outputs (ping pong delayes, etc...)?
 


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Sat, 11/1/08, Florian Anwander <fanwander@mnet-online.de> wrote:

From: Florian Anwander <fanwander@mnet-online.de>
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Sampler CV/Gate Recorder - was: bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 5:19 PM






Hi Christophe

> I'd like to have the module to record and play at the same time, so,
> having one gate for record and another for play.
> [...]
> This would
> require one extra feature: a cross fade between the old and new
> sample-play position.
> [...]
> Same type of crossfade would be desirable if the record mode starts in
> the middle of the sample (crossfade between old and new sound).

Those suggestions require heavy hardcore DSP programming.
A simple sampler could be achieved much easier by an A/D-converter, a 
clocked counter and a SRAM chip. Dieter did this in the SSS-modules 20 
years ago.

> It would be great if negative voltages would lead to the sample being
> played backwards.
cute idea, but assumingly not easy to achieve (at least in an exact 
reproducable way).

> Why not have two outputs with independent positions? Opens
> possibilities for ping-pong delays, as well as stereo chorussing,
> a loop playing in canon and the monitoring function.
Very fine idea. This would require to have the same clock, but 
independant address counters. This leads again to a even more modulized 
version: separate modules for
- highspeed VCO module,
- VC addresscounter module,
- A/D-RAM-D/A module

> I think the independent input, output and monitoring would make it a
> real live performer, and that is how I like to use my modular!
Definitely true

Florian
 














      

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yes, that's a nice poll that includes lots of options.
 
i will create that!


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Sat, 11/1/08, Florian Anwander <fanwander@mnet-online.de> wrote:

From: Florian Anwander <fanwander@mnet-online.de>
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Sampler CV/Gate Recorder - was: bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 5:40 PM






Hi Bakis

> ok, idea noted. this will be yet another poll.
> one poll for a vc sampler for audio, one for a vc sampler for dc(cv/gates) and one for a more generic module like the one that you describe in this email.

I am not realy sure about how a sampler should be done like. I 
personally prefer an more modulized approach (see my answer to 
Christophe). But on the other hand Dieter once wrote here, that this 
kind of deeply modulized modules do not sell very well.

A possible poll could be:

Whould you buy a sampler module different from the actual A-112
[ ]yes / [ ]no

If yes:
Would you prefer
[ ] a sophisticated all in one module. This version would be quite 
expensive, and have a long development time.
[ ] a group of modules which can be combined for different approaches. 
Example: A112-1 A/D-RAM-D/A base modul, dc- or ac-coupled. A-112-2 
Highspeed-VCO with simple addresscounter (for simple oneshot usage). 
A-112-3 VC-Addresscounter with external clock-in and Voltage- or 
Gate-control for different positions and run modes. A-112-4 
VC-Adresscounter with addition for the usage as step editable CV-recorder.
This version would be more expensive in total due to higher hardware 
costs, but would provide also a less expensive starter setup.

Florian
 














      

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bakis, could you include in the poll a smaller version, maybe similar
to my first post?

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Doepfer_a100/message/16860

florian's two suggestions are both very interesting but both very
expensive, if indeed the modular approach is at all commercially
viable. it would be a shame to cut ourselves off from a relatively
cheap and quickly designed. 

maybe dieter you could give a few ballpark price estimates for the
various suggestions?

stu

i imagine adding voltage controlled start and stop/loop points would
broaden the appeal of the smaller version. 

stu

ok!     :)

Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Sun, 11/2/08, Stu Grimshaw <grimshaw@stugrimshaw.com> wrote:

From: Stu Grimshaw <grimshaw@stugrimshaw.com>
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Sampler CV/Gate Recorder - was: bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 12:52 PM






bakis, could you include in the poll a smaller version, maybe similar
to my first post?

http://launch. groups.yahoo. com/group/ Doepfer_a100/ message/16860

florian's two suggestions are both very interesting but both very
expensive, if indeed the modular approach is at all commercially
viable. it would be a shame to cut ourselves off from a relatively
cheap and quickly designed. 

maybe dieter you could give a few ballpark price estimates for the
various suggestions?

stu

 














      

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Are we thinking along the lines of accessing the sample buffer in a 
similar way as Max/MSP? If you modularise the address clock such that 
0V is the start and 5V is the end point, then playback speed and 
addressing could be achieved with a rising sawtooth, or ADSR or any 
CV module. Reverse playback would be achieved by a falling sawtooth 
for example.

The module would then be just a buffer with a means of reading data 
(audio/CV) into it, and perhaps some fine tuning or polarity control 
of the CV input/inputs for reading it back.

Maybe this way of doing it is not feasible in this format, but if it 
is, it would allow users to create their own system and should keep 
the costs down by not loading too many features into the module.


>i imagine adding voltage controlled start and stop/loop points would
>broaden the appeal of the smaller version.
>
>stu
>
>


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Hi Sean

> similar way as Max/MSP? If you modularise the address clock such that 
> 0V is the start and 5V is the end point, then playback speed and 
> addressing could be achieved with a rising sawtooth, or ADSR or any 
> CV module. Reverse playback would be achieved by a falling sawtooth 
> for example.
Yep, thats a very cute idea!

I would suggest it as an further module A-112-5, but this module would 
is assumingly quite easy develop, and should not be too costy.

Florian

ok, so, i'll add this fifth module to your modular subset idea, right Florian?
and what name this fifth module should have? 
maybe 'CV to Address clock' module? or?

Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Sun, 11/2/08, Florian Anwander <fanwander@mnet-online.de> wrote:

From: Florian Anwander <fanwander@mnet-online.de>
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Sampler CV/Gate Recorder: adendum
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 5:53 PM






Hi Sean

> similar way as Max/MSP? If you modularise the address clock such that 
> 0V is the start and 5V is the end point, then playback speed and 
> addressing could be achieved with a rising sawtooth, or ADSR or any 
> CV module. Reverse playback would be achieved by a falling sawtooth 
> for example.
Yep, thats a very cute idea!

I would suggest it as an further module A-112-5, but this module would 
is assumingly quite easy develop, and should not be too costy.

Florian

 














      

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> i imagine adding voltage controlled start and stop/loop points would
> broaden the appeal of the smaller version.
>
> stu

I wanted to mention some technical problems and their possible solutions
with voltage control of start and end point:

The memory of the planned delay/sampler module will probably in the MB range
(i.e. typ. 24 bit adresses). A 16 bit AD would be able to adress only ~
64kB. But even a 16 bit ADC in a 64k sampler does not really make much sense
to control the start/end adresses as the CV noise is more than 16 bit.
Consequently one has to find another solution. One way would be to use only
the zero-crossings (or even zero crossings with positive slopes only) for
the loop points (or even zero crossings with positive slopes only). But this
cannot be done in real time as the microcontroller has to analyze the
recorded sample for these loop points and store the corresponding addresses
in a separate memory. I'm not sure (as I'm not the programmer) but I'd
expect that it takes a few seconds the find the loop points. Remember: we do
have the calculation power of PC but only a small micricontroller.
After this the calculated loop points can be used as start/end memory
addresses for voltage control of start and end of the sample playback. But
there is no chance to do this in realtime in a modular version.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

> Hi Sean
>
> > similar way as Max/MSP? If you modularise the address clock such that
> > 0V is the start and 5V is the end point, then playback speed and
> > addressing could be achieved with a rising sawtooth, or ADSR or any
> > CV module. Reverse playback would be achieved by a falling sawtooth
> > for example.
> Yep, thats a very cute idea!

No chance. You would need a very fast 24 bit ADC to generate the adresses
for the memory and an absolutely linear sawtooth (i.e. even with 24 bit
accuracy) without any noise ! This works only with small memories (like the
miniwave) and addresses up to max. 14/16 bit (~ 16/64kB).

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

Hi Florian and list,

First I'd like to explain that the "current position" CV that I proposed would not be a CV addressing (which Dieter explained is unfeasible) but be a voltage and would go to that point on the positive edge of a gate. This would, for instance, enable to sync it to the a-155 or another sequencer for loop playing. Or sync it to a VCO for wavetable kind of synthesis.

>> I'd like to have the module to record and play at the same time, so,
>> having one gate for record and another for play.
>> [...]
>> This would
>> require one extra feature: a cross fade between the old and new
>> sample-play position.
>> [...]
>> Same type of crossfade would be desirable if the record mode starts in
>> the middle of the sample (crossfade between old and new sound).
>
>Those suggestions require heavy hardcore DSP programming.
I was more concentrating on functionality than feasability :) But it might be doable. I think a 16-bit micro controller could do is (it is not that heavy...) or using an 8-bit controller by doing it in analogue domain (requiring twice the amount of DAC's). Maybe it is expensive but I think it would add a lot.

But Dieter's suggestion of using (positive) zero-crossings only might do the job too. The sample would play until its next positive zero-crossing and then jump to the first positive zero crossing after the new set point. It might add some instability for short loops (wavetables) because you change the length of the loop so you change where it ends next time giving frequency jitter.

>A simple sampler could be achieved much easier by an A/D-converter, a
>clocked counter and a SRAM chip. Dieter did this in the SSS-modules 20
>years ago.
Hmm, I know nothing about those....

>> It would be great if negative voltages would lead to the sample being
>> played backwards.
>cute idea, but assumingly not easy to achieve (at least in an exact
>reproducable way).
In the case you use an external HS-VCO I can see problems. but if there is an internal address counter that should be doable. (or am I missing something?) For one thing it means that the cv is linear and not log-scale. Maybe for wavetable kind of things you would like log scale but for delays or loops linear seems more practical.....now I think of it, you might want both with a switch to select...or log with a trick around 0V (like being linear from -.1 to .1V or so)

>
>> Why not have two outputs with independent positions? Opens
>> possibilities for ping-pong delays, as well as stereo chorussing,
>> a loop playing in canon and the monitoring function.
>Very fine idea. This would require to have the same clock, but
>independant address counters. This leads again to a even more modulized
>version: separate modules for
>- highspeed VCO module,
>- VC addresscounter module,
>- A/D-RAM-D/A module
Hmm. I am all for a modular approach but I miss the added value of the separate modules. I'd say you'd need them all to be functional. It would be useful when there are small add-on modules (I could see a midi add-on could be useful for dumping the samples. I would not likely buy it though). It would also be useful if the modules are useful by themselves (which I can see for the HS-VCO but not for the others). I might just be missing it...

For a poll it would be useful if there was some price info (even if vague).

I can see why Dieter would be hesitant in developing such a module if the A-112 sales are not that great :(

Christophe




      

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> I can see why Dieter would be hesitant in developing such a
> module if the A-112 sales are not that great :(
>
> Christophe

No - the A-112 sales are fine. Though I see myself in the first place as a
module designer I'm also a business man and have to keep the company running
(each staff member has to pay his expenses every month :-).

During the last few years I made the experience that the sales of more
complex (and consequently more expensive) modules are a bit poor. A good
example is the morphing filter A-107 and on the other hand the new A-106-6
XP filter. The A-107 has a lot of features and it took more than two years
to design the module (together with a lot of very helpful discussions in
this group). The final design had all the features the customers were asking
for but obviously the price was too high to make the A-107 a commercial
winner (after all the sales did not cover our development costs so far). On
the other hand there is the new A-106-6 XP filter. It has much less features
than the A-107 but offers nearly the same filter functions as the A-107 (but
without the morphing feature). So far more A-106-6 were ordered than A-107's
during it's entire livespane since summer 2003. And the A-106-6 is available
since fall 2008 !

That's what I have to keep in mind if modules with too many features are
suggested. We made the experience that the sales of too complex modules are
not satisfying from the commercial point of view (don't get me wrong: I in
person like the A-107 much more than the A-106-6). So I'm a bit cautious if
modules with too many features that will increase the price are suggested.
There will be always some experts who want to have such modules badly. But
for us it's a flop if we sell e.g. only 25 modules per year as we have to
keep in mind the development costs which are much higher for more complex
modules. If then the sales are worse compared to a less complex module (and
hence with lower development costs) you will understand by concerns.

These are some basic notes that are not related only to the suggested
complex sampler module. But they may explain why I'm a bit cautious with
suggestions of too complex (and hence too expensive) modules.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

dieter's comments on complex modules are easy to understand.

with a very simple gate controlled sampler we have the ability to use
it much as we would use an oscillator i.e. a sound source and maybe fm
operator. the audio output is produced on the fly, operable by lfo's,
sequencers, random gates et al, opening up many possibilities.  

it has been suggested that for normal looping purposes we should use a
boss rc-50 or similar. an rc-50 is what i use now, and the fact that i
can't control it from the modular in any way at all is exactly the
reason why i proposed an improved a112. plus every looper has its
downpoints that cannot be overcome - the rc-50, for example, stops
following/sending midi sync when all three loops are muted, the roland
mc-9 only has a stereo output, and so on.

there seems to be a barrage of posts on this idea that, with all
respect,  amount to "the last very-complicated-suggestion won't work,
so here's my very-complicated-suggestion". can it be that those who
would prefer a simpler module feel intimidated by very technical
descriptions of very personalised variations on a theme? maybe some
are just waiting for the poll, which is why i keep badgering bakis to
include a simple version :)

the simpler a sampler module stays, the more flexibly - and cheaply -
it can be integrated into a modular system. and the more people will
buy it, i believe. using digital samplers and even max/msp as role
models for a sampler module is like using a digital camera to design a
paintbrush :)

jm2c,

stu

Dieter, this sort of relates to my comments in another thread.
People are asking for very complex 'one stop shop' modules.
I believe that it is wiser to release the modules in a more slimmed down,
cheaper version with which you can add those extra functionalities with a
few other modules.
Most of the time the really fancy stuff can be reached with some smart
patching of a few bread and butter modules...

Keep up the good work.
Greetings,

ernst









On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 10:09 AM, <yahoo@doepfer.de> wrote:

>   > I can see why Dieter would be hesitant in developing such a
> > module if the A-112 sales are not that great :(
> >
> > Christophe
>
> No - the A-112 sales are fine. Though I see myself in the first place as a
> module designer I'm also a business man and have to keep the company
> running
> (each staff member has to pay his expenses every month :-).
>
> During the last few years I made the experience that the sales of more
> complex (and consequently more expensive) modules are a bit poor. A good
> example is the morphing filter A-107 and on the other hand the new A-106-6
> XP filter. The A-107 has a lot of features and it took more than two years
> to design the module (together with a lot of very helpful discussions in
> this group). The final design had all the features the customers were
> asking
> for but obviously the price was too high to make the A-107 a commercial
> winner (after all the sales did not cover our development costs so far). On
> the other hand there is the new A-106-6 XP filter. It has much less
> features
> than the A-107 but offers nearly the same filter functions as the A-107
> (but
> without the morphing feature). So far more A-106-6 were ordered than
> A-107's
> during it's entire livespane since summer 2003. And the A-106-6 is
> available
> since fall 2008 !
>
> That's what I have to keep in mind if modules with too many features are
> suggested. We made the experience that the sales of too complex modules are
> not satisfying from the commercial point of view (don't get me wrong: I in
> person like the A-107 much more than the A-106-6). So I'm a bit cautious if
> modules with too many features that will increase the price are suggested.
> There will be always some experts who want to have such modules badly. But
> for us it's a flop if we sell e.g. only 25 modules per year as we have to
> keep in mind the development costs which are much higher for more complex
> modules. If then the sales are worse compared to a less complex module (and
> hence with lower development costs) you will understand by concerns.
>
> These are some basic notes that are not related only to the suggested
> complex sampler module. But they may explain why I'm a bit cautious with
> suggestions of too complex (and hence too expensive) modules.
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>
>  
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

that's really interesting stuff dieter. 

one thing i've wondered about it sharing the developer costs in the
community, a lot of people are asking about digital modules, and i
wonder whether the general purpose digital module that has been in the
pipeline for a while could be released openly with just a few
functions, and enough information for people to write their own
programs for it if they feel nerdy enough. not necessarily write whole
filters and things, as that's a bit unrealistic, but especially for
controller things it would be perfect, and simple, and a public
library would build up fairly fast i think. 




--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, <yahoo@...> wrote:
>
> > I can see why Dieter would be hesitant in developing such a
> > module if the A-112 sales are not that great :(
> >
> > Christophe
> 
> No - the A-112 sales are fine. Though I see myself in the first
place as a
> module designer I'm also a business man and have to keep the company
running
> (each staff member has to pay his expenses every month :-).
> 
> During the last few years I made the experience that the sales of more
> complex (and consequently more expensive) modules are a bit poor. A good
> example is the morphing filter A-107 and on the other hand the new
A-106-6
> XP filter. The A-107 has a lot of features and it took more than two
years
> to design the module (together with a lot of very helpful discussions in
> this group). The final design had all the features the customers
were asking
> for but obviously the price was too high to make the A-107 a commercial
> winner (after all the sales did not cover our development costs so
far). On
> the other hand there is the new A-106-6 XP filter. It has much less
features
> than the A-107 but offers nearly the same filter functions as the
A-107 (but
> without the morphing feature). So far more A-106-6 were ordered than
A-107's
> during it's entire livespane since summer 2003. And the A-106-6 is
available
> since fall 2008 !
> 
> That's what I have to keep in mind if modules with too many features are
> suggested. We made the experience that the sales of too complex
modules are
> not satisfying from the commercial point of view (don't get me
wrong: I in
> person like the A-107 much more than the A-106-6). So I'm a bit
cautious if
> modules with too many features that will increase the price are
suggested.
> There will be always some experts who want to have such modules
badly. But
> for us it's a flop if we sell e.g. only 25 modules per year as we
have to
> keep in mind the development costs which are much higher for more
complex
> modules. If then the sales are worse compared to a less complex
module (and

> hence with lower development costs) you will understand by concerns.
> 
> These are some basic notes that are not related only to the suggested
> complex sampler module. But they may explain why I'm a bit cautious with
> suggestions of too complex (and hence too expensive) modules.
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>

Yeah, open source is the way to go.
Look at what's happening in the Arduino and Monome and such  
communities...

Hence my earlier proposal for a "simple" generic module... just a few  
non-labeled knobs and in/outs, on a generic panel. A Doepfer A/D/A  
interface, so to speak, with open source software to control it.


_Guy


On 04 Nov 2008, at 13:18, partlydrone wrote:

> that's really interesting stuff dieter.
>
> one thing i've wondered about it sharing the developer costs in the
> community, a lot of people are asking about digital modules, and i
> wonder whether the general purpose digital module that has been in the
> pipeline for a while could be released openly with just a few
> functions, and enough information for people to write their own
> programs for it if they feel nerdy enough. not necessarily write whole
> filters and things, as that's a bit unrealistic, but especially for
> controller things it would be perfect, and simple, and a public
> library would build up fairly fast i think.
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, <yahoo@...> wrote:
> >
> > > I can see why Dieter would be hesitant in developing such a
> > > module if the A-112 sales are not that great :(
> > >
> > > Christophe
> >
> > No - the A-112 sales are fine. Though I see myself in the first
> place as a
> > module designer I'm also a business man and have to keep the company
> running
> > (each staff member has to pay his expenses every month :-).
> >
> > During the last few years I made the experience that the sales of  
> more
> > complex (and consequently more expensive) modules are a bit poor.  
> A good
> > example is the morphing filter A-107 and on the other hand the new
> A-106-6
> > XP filter. The A-107 has a lot of features and it took more than two
> years
> > to design the module (together with a lot of very helpful  
> discussions in
> > this group). The final design had all the features the customers
> were asking
> > for but obviously the price was too high to make the A-107 a  
> commercial
> > winner (after all the sales did not cover our development costs so
> far). On
> > the other hand there is the new A-106-6 XP filter. It has much less
> features
> > than the A-107 but offers nearly the same filter functions as the
> A-107 (but
> > without the morphing feature). So far more A-106-6 were ordered than
> A-107's
> > during it's entire livespane since summer 2003. And the A-106-6 is
> available
> > since fall 2008 !
> >
> > That's what I have to keep in mind if modules with too many  
> features are
> > suggested. We made the experience that the sales of too complex
> modules are
> > not satisfying from the commercial point of view (don't get me
> wrong: I in
> > person like the A-107 much more than the A-106-6). So I'm a bit
> cautious if
> > modules with too many features that will increase the price are
> suggested.
> > There will be always some experts who want to have such modules
> badly. But
> > for us it's a flop if we sell e.g. only 25 modules per year as we
> have to
> > keep in mind the development costs which are much higher for more
> complex
> > modules. If then the sales are worse compared to a less complex
> module (and
> > hence with lower development costs) you will understand by concerns.
> >
> > These are some basic notes that are not related only to the  
> suggested
> > complex sampler module. But they may explain why I'm a bit  
> cautious with
> > suggestions of too complex (and hence too expensive) modules.
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Dieter Doepfer
> >
>
> 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

wonderful idea. just like the osc idea. i personally think an open 
source digital module with an extremely simple hardware interface like 
the planned A-187-1 Voltage Controlled DSP Effects Module and an added 
usb port would be the best possible digital module. to me that would be 
the 'universal digital module' ;-)

partlydrone schreef:

> 
> 
> that's really interesting stuff dieter.
> 
> one thing i've wondered about it sharing the developer costs in the
> community, a lot of people are asking about digital modules, and i
> wonder whether the general purpose digital module that has been in the
> pipeline for a while could be released openly with just a few
> functions, and enough information for people to write their own
> programs for it if they feel nerdy enough. not necessarily write whole
> filters and things, as that's a bit unrealistic, but especially for
> controller things it would be perfect, and simple, and a public
> library would build up fairly fast i think.
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>, <yahoo@...> wrote:
>  >
>  > > I can see why Dieter would be hesitant in developing such a
>  > > module if the A-112 sales are not that great :(
>  > >
>  > > Christophe
>  >
>  > No - the A-112 sales are fine. Though I see myself in the first
> place as a
>  > module designer I'm also a business man and have to keep the company
> running
>  > (each staff member has to pay his expenses every month :-).
>  >
>  > During the last few years I made the experience that the sales of more
>  > complex (and consequently more expensive) modules are a bit poor. A good
>  > example is the morphing filter A-107 and on the other hand the new
> A-106-6
>  > XP filter. The A-107 has a lot of features and it took more than two
> years
>  > to design the module (together with a lot of very helpful discussions in
>  > this group). The final design had all the features the customers
> were asking
>  > for but obviously the price was too high to make the A-107 a commercial
>  > winner (after all the sales did not cover our development costs so
> far). On
>  > the other hand there is the new A-106-6 XP filter. It has much less
> features
>  > than the A-107 but offers nearly the same filter functions as the
> A-107 (but
>  > without the morphing feature). So far more A-106-6 were ordered than
> A-107's
>  > during it's entire livespane since summer 2003. And the A-106-6 is
> available
>  > since fall 2008 !
>  >
>  > That's what I have to keep in mind if modules with too many features are
>  > suggested. We made the experience that the sales of too complex
> modules are
>  > not satisfying from the commercial point of view (don't get me
> wrong: I in
>  > person like the A-107 much more than the A-106-6). So I'm a bit
> cautious if
>  > modules with too many features that will increase the price are
> suggested.
>  > There will be always some experts who want to have such modules
> badly. But
>  > for us it's a flop if we sell e.g. only 25 modules per year as we
> have to
>  > keep in mind the development costs which are much higher for more
> complex
>  > modules. If then the sales are worse compared to a less complex
> module (and
>  > hence with lower development costs) you will understand by concerns.
>  >
>  > These are some basic notes that are not related only to the suggested
>  > complex sampler module. But they may explain why I'm a bit cautious with
>  > suggestions of too complex (and hence too expensive) modules.
>  >
>  > Best wishes
>  > Dieter Doepfer
>  >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 
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>

so, we are coming again to the proposed USB (OSC) to cv/gate module, right?
i'll create this poll.
 

Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Tue, 11/4/08, Frequency Divider <freq.div@xs4all.nl> wrote:

From: Frequency Divider <freq.div@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 3:20 PM






wonderful idea. just like the osc idea. i personally think an open 
source digital module with an extremely simple hardware interface like 
the planned A-187-1 Voltage Controlled DSP Effects Module and an added 
usb port would be the best possible digital module. to me that would be 
the 'universal digital module' ;-)

partlydrone schreef:
> 
> 
> that's really interesting stuff dieter.
> 
> one thing i've wondered about it sharing the developer costs in the
> community, a lot of people are asking about digital modules, and i
> wonder whether the general purpose digital module that has been in the
> pipeline for a while could be released openly with just a few
> functions, and enough information for people to write their own
> programs for it if they feel nerdy enough. not necessarily write whole
> filters and things, as that's a bit unrealistic, but especially for
> controller things it would be perfect, and simple, and a public
> library would build up fairly fast i think.
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com 
> <mailto:Doepfer_ a100%40yahoogrou ps.com>, <yahoo@...> wrote:
> >
> > > I can see why Dieter would be hesitant in developing such a
> > > module if the A-112 sales are not that great :(
> > >
> > > Christophe
> >
> > No - the A-112 sales are fine. Though I see myself in the first
> place as a
> > module designer I'm also a business man and have to keep the company
> running
> > (each staff member has to pay his expenses every month :-).
> >
> > During the last few years I made the experience that the sales of more
> > complex (and consequently more expensive) modules are a bit poor. A good
> > example is the morphing filter A-107 and on the other hand the new
> A-106-6
> > XP filter. The A-107 has a lot of features and it took more than two
> years
> > to design the module (together with a lot of very helpful discussions in
> > this group). The final design had all the features the customers
> were asking
> > for but obviously the price was too high to make the A-107 a commercial
> > winner (after all the sales did not cover our development costs so
> far). On
> > the other hand there is the new A-106-6 XP filter. It has much less
> features
> > than the A-107 but offers nearly the same filter functions as the
> A-107 (but
> > without the morphing feature). So far more A-106-6 were ordered than
> A-107's
> > during it's entire livespane since summer 2003. And the A-106-6 is
> available
> > since fall 2008 !
> >
> > That's what I have to keep in mind if modules with too many features are
> > suggested. We made the experience that the sales of too complex
> modules are
> > not satisfying from the commercial point of view (don't get me
> wrong: I in
> > person like the A-107 much more than the A-106-6). So I'm a bit
> cautious if
> > modules with too many features that will increase the price are
> suggested.
> > There will be always some experts who want to have such modules
> badly. But
> > for us it's a flop if we sell e.g. only 25 modules per year as we
> have to
> > keep in mind the development costs which are much higher for more
> complex
> > modules. If then the sales are worse compared to a less complex
> module (and
> > hence with lower development costs) you will understand by concerns.
> >
> > These are some basic notes that are not related only to the suggested
> > complex sampler module. But they may explain why I'm a bit cautious with
> > suggestions of too complex (and hence too expensive) modules.
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Dieter Doepfer
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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i think a programmable (at the crudest hardware level, to minimise
doepfers development costs) module with a USB interface would be
perfect, something that simply presents some inputs, knob values and
outputs to a DSP. even without thinking about audio, you could write
all kinds of things for it, random generators, algorithms for
generative music, interesting cv processing, polarisers, attenuators,
fine control CVs (for eg a112), interesting software envelopes and
LFOs, and that's before you even get into audio. 

in fact for the sake of cheapness it might be worth making one that
didnt even try to do audio very impressively, and was focused on CV. 

i've thought for a while that someone, ideally doepfer because we love
them (although grr direct purchase with bank transfer, in 2008!...),
could make a simple module putting an arduino behind a panel with a
couple of knobs and the levels corrected for modular synths. 

http://www.tinker.it/en/Products/Arduino

very cheap, easy project for someone, could be the beginning of a real
scene of open modular digital architecture. i'm annoyingly busy or i'd
do it myself. 



--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros
<synth_freak_2000@...> wrote:
>
> so, we are coming again to the proposed USB (OSC) to cv/gate module,
right?
> i'll create this poll.
>  
> 
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> www. DiN. org. uk
> www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> www. shimarecords. co. uk
> www. rubberrecords. gr
> Athens - Greece
> 
> --- On Tue, 11/4/08, Frequency Divider <freq.div@...> wrote:
> 
> From: Frequency Divider <freq.div@...>
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: bright new ideas for future Doepfer
A100 modules!
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 3:20 PM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> wonderful idea. just like the osc idea. i personally think an open 
> source digital module with an extremely simple hardware interface like 
> the planned A-187-1 Voltage Controlled DSP Effects Module and an added 
> usb port would be the best possible digital module. to me that would be 
> the 'universal digital module' ;-)
> 
> partlydrone schreef:
> > 
> > 
> > that's really interesting stuff dieter.
> > 
> > one thing i've wondered about it sharing the developer costs in the
> > community, a lot of people are asking about digital modules, and i
> > wonder whether the general purpose digital module that has been in the
> > pipeline for a while could be released openly with just a few
> > functions, and enough information for people to write their own
> > programs for it if they feel nerdy enough. not necessarily write whole
> > filters and things, as that's a bit unrealistic, but especially for
> > controller things it would be perfect, and simple, and a public
> > library would build up fairly fast i think.
> > 
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com 
> > <mailto:Doepfer_ a100%40yahoogrou ps.com>, <yahoo@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I can see why Dieter would be hesitant in developing such a
> > > > module if the A-112 sales are not that great :(
> > > >
> > > > Christophe
> > >
> > > No - the A-112 sales are fine. Though I see myself in the first
> > place as a
> > > module designer I'm also a business man and have to keep the company
> > running
> > > (each staff member has to pay his expenses every month :-).
> > >
> > > During the last few years I made the experience that the sales
of more
> > > complex (and consequently more expensive) modules are a bit
poor. A good
> > > example is the morphing filter A-107 and on the other hand the new
> > A-106-6
> > > XP filter. The A-107 has a lot of features and it took more than two
> > years
> > > to design the module (together with a lot of very helpful
discussions in
> > > this group). The final design had all the features the customers
> > were asking
> > > for but obviously the price was too high to make the A-107 a
commercial
> > > winner (after all the sales did not cover our development costs so
> > far). On
> > > the other hand there is the new A-106-6 XP filter. It has much less
> > features
> > > than the A-107 but offers nearly the same filter functions as the
> > A-107 (but
> > > without the morphing feature). So far more A-106-6 were ordered than
> > A-107's
> > > during it's entire livespane since summer 2003. And the A-106-6 is
> > available
> > > since fall 2008 !
> > >
> > > That's what I have to keep in mind if modules with too many
features are
> > > suggested. We made the experience that the sales of too complex
> > modules are
> > > not satisfying from the commercial point of view (don't get me
> > wrong: I in
> > > person like the A-107 much more than the A-106-6). So I'm a bit
> > cautious if
> > > modules with too many features that will increase the price are
> > suggested.
> > > There will be always some experts who want to have such modules
> > badly. But
> > > for us it's a flop if we sell e.g. only 25 modules per year as we
> > have to
> > > keep in mind the development costs which are much higher for more
> > complex
> > > modules. If then the sales are worse compared to a less complex
> > module (and
> > > hence with lower development costs) you will understand by concerns.
> > >
> > > These are some basic notes that are not related only to the
suggested
> > > complex sampler module. But they may explain why I'm a bit
cautious with
> > > suggestions of too complex (and hence too expensive) modules.
> > >
> > > Best wishes
> > > Dieter Doepfer
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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fwiw i really do think that releasing one monster digital module
(maybe with different front panel overlays for different functions,
and maybe charging for different programs, and at least giving people
the option of writing for it by being open about how to program it) is
a really good idea. for one thing, most people are really uptight
about the amount of rack space they give to each module, so
compactness and multifunctionality are always a good thing.  

also so much of the cost of a module is the hardware etc, it makes
sense on that front. 

it might be one of those things that sells modestly, at a higher
price, but if you've designed it anyway, and it's released as a
"pro-user-only" item, it's the kind of thing that might just fly. 

i realise it must be annoying having enthusiasts try to persuade you
about a business model that you know better than anyone. 

i guess at its core, as a first bid, i just think if someone sold an
arduino behind a eurorack panel with five useful and interesting CV
processing/generating programs in its memory from boot, it would sell
very consistently in a hobbyist kind of way, if admittedly not as well
as a VCA. 


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, <yahoo@...> wrote:
>
> > that's really interesting stuff dieter.
> >
> > one thing i've wondered about it sharing the developer costs in the
> > community, a lot of people are asking about digital modules, and i
> > wonder whether the general purpose digital module that has been in the
> > pipeline for a while could be released openly with just a few
> > functions, and enough information for people to write their own
> > programs for it if they feel nerdy enough. not necessarily write whole
> > filters and things, as that's a bit unrealistic, but especially for
> > controller things it would be perfect, and simple, and a public
> > library would build up fairly fast i think.
> 
> I'll suggest this to Christian as I'm only an analog designer and
don't know
> too much about USB, OSC or Max/MSP.
> Currently we use the prototype of the universal digital AD/DA module (I
> think that's what you're talking about) as a design platform to develop
> other digital modules with less features (like the A-189-1 Bit
Modifier or
> the planned CV controlled DSP effects module). We believe that it
does not
> make sense to release only one "monster" module with tons of different
> functions based on the same user interface (i.e. one frontpanel with
> sockets, switches, potentiometers, LEDs, display and so on).
> Concerning the universal digital module I don't think there are many
A-100
> user's who are able to program the microcontroller as a lot of
programming
> experience and design environment (assembler, compiler, linker,
debugger,

> emulator) is necessary. The module cannot be programmed with a simple
> programming language with but only in assembler or C.
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>

ok, i'll make a poll for a cheaper usb(OSC) to cv/gate module for cv's.
 
and one poll for a fast high resolution usb (OSC) to cv/gate module for cv and audio.
 
two choices, different price.
 


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Tue, 11/4/08, partlydrone <partlydrone@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: partlydrone <partlydrone@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 6:43 PM






i think a programmable (at the crudest hardware level, to minimise
doepfers development costs) module with a USB interface would be
perfect, something that simply presents some inputs, knob values and
outputs to a DSP. even without thinking about audio, you could write
all kinds of things for it, random generators, algorithms for
generative music, interesting cv processing, polarisers, attenuators,
fine control CVs (for eg a112), interesting software envelopes and
LFOs, and that's before you even get into audio. 

in fact for the sake of cheapness it might be worth making one that
didnt even try to do audio very impressively, and was focused on CV. 

i've thought for a while that someone, ideally doepfer because we love
them (although grr direct purchase with bank transfer, in 2008!...),
could make a simple module putting an arduino behind a panel with a
couple of knobs and the levels corrected for modular synths. 

http://www.tinker. it/en/Products/ Arduino

very cheap, easy project for someone, could be the beginning of a real
scene of open modular digital architecture. i'm annoyingly busy or i'd
do it myself. 

--- In Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com, Bakis Sirros
<synth_freak_ 2000@...> wrote:
>
> so, we are coming again to the proposed USB (OSC) to cv/gate module,
right?
> i'll create this poll.
>  
> 
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> www. DiN. org. uk
> www. musicamaximamagneti ca. com
> www. shimarecords. co. uk
> www. rubberrecords. gr
> Athens - Greece
> 
> --- On Tue, 11/4/08, Frequency Divider <freq.div@.. .> wrote:
> 
> From: Frequency Divider <freq.div@.. .>
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: bright new ideas for future Doepfer
A100 modules!
> To: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 3:20 PM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> wonderful idea. just like the osc idea. i personally think an open 
> source digital module with an extremely simple hardware interface like 
> the planned A-187-1 Voltage Controlled DSP Effects Module and an added 
> usb port would be the best possible digital module. to me that would be 
> the 'universal digital module' ;-)
> 
> partlydrone schreef:
> > 
> > 
> > that's really interesting stuff dieter.
> > 
> > one thing i've wondered about it sharing the developer costs in the
> > community, a lot of people are asking about digital modules, and i
> > wonder whether the general purpose digital module that has been in the
> > pipeline for a while could be released openly with just a few
> > functions, and enough information for people to write their own
> > programs for it if they feel nerdy enough. not necessarily write whole
> > filters and things, as that's a bit unrealistic, but especially for
> > controller things it would be perfect, and simple, and a public
> > library would build up fairly fast i think.
> > 
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com 
> > <mailto:Doepfer_ a100%40yahoogrou ps.com>, <yahoo@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I can see why Dieter would be hesitant in developing such a
> > > > module if the A-112 sales are not that great :(
> > > >
> > > > Christophe
> > >
> > > No - the A-112 sales are fine. Though I see myself in the first
> > place as a
> > > module designer I'm also a business man and have to keep the company
> > running
> > > (each staff member has to pay his expenses every month :-).
> > >
> > > During the last few years I made the experience that the sales
of more
> > > complex (and consequently more expensive) modules are a bit
poor. A good
> > > example is the morphing filter A-107 and on the other hand the new
> > A-106-6
> > > XP filter. The A-107 has a lot of features and it took more than two
> > years
> > > to design the module (together with a lot of very helpful
discussions in
> > > this group). The final design had all the features the customers
> > were asking
> > > for but obviously the price was too high to make the A-107 a
commercial
> > > winner (after all the sales did not cover our development costs so
> > far). On
> > > the other hand there is the new A-106-6 XP filter. It has much less
> > features
> > > than the A-107 but offers nearly the same filter functions as the
> > A-107 (but
> > > without the morphing feature). So far more A-106-6 were ordered than
> > A-107's
> > > during it's entire livespane since summer 2003. And the A-106-6 is
> > available
> > > since fall 2008 !
> > >
> > > That's what I have to keep in mind if modules with too many
features are
> > > suggested. We made the experience that the sales of too complex
> > modules are
> > > not satisfying from the commercial point of view (don't get me
> > wrong: I in
> > > person like the A-107 much more than the A-106-6). So I'm a bit
> > cautious if
> > > modules with too many features that will increase the price are
> > suggested.
> > > There will be always some experts who want to have such modules
> > badly. But
> > > for us it's a flop if we sell e.g. only 25 modules per year as we
> > have to
> > > keep in mind the development costs which are much higher for more
> > complex
> > > modules. If then the sales are worse compared to a less complex
> > module (and
> > > hence with lower development costs) you will understand by concerns.
> > >
> > > These are some basic notes that are not related only to the
suggested
> > > complex sampler module. But they may explain why I'm a bit
cautious with
> > > suggestions of too complex (and hence too expensive) modules.
> > >
> > > Best wishes
> > > Dieter Doepfer
> > >
> > 
> > 
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> that's really interesting stuff dieter.
>
> one thing i've wondered about it sharing the developer costs in the
> community, a lot of people are asking about digital modules, and i
> wonder whether the general purpose digital module that has been in the
> pipeline for a while could be released openly with just a few
> functions, and enough information for people to write their own
> programs for it if they feel nerdy enough. not necessarily write whole
> filters and things, as that's a bit unrealistic, but especially for
> controller things it would be perfect, and simple, and a public
> library would build up fairly fast i think.

I'll suggest this to Christian as I'm only an analog designer and don't know
too much about USB, OSC or Max/MSP.
Currently we use the prototype of the universal digital AD/DA module (I
think that's what you're talking about) as a design platform to develop
other digital modules with less features (like the A-189-1 Bit Modifier or
the planned CV controlled DSP effects module). We believe that it does not
make sense to release only one "monster" module with tons of different
functions based on the same user interface (i.e. one frontpanel with
sockets, switches, potentiometers, LEDs, display and so on).
Concerning the universal digital module I don't think there are many A-100
user's who are able to program the microcontroller as a lot of programming
experience and design environment (assembler, compiler, linker, debugger,
emulator) is necessary. The module cannot be programmed with a simple
programming language with but only in assembler or C.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

this idea is TOP
more end stereo modules/procesor
especialy for stereofield control procesing
(cynthia has produced something like that, stereospace?)

resonant eq in serge design is also great one ide

lookingforward
best
r

ps. idea of 4channel mixer is dead?

>
> Sorry, more details:
> 
> A Dual/Stereo Parametric Equaliser
> 2 audio inputs, 2 audio outputs
> +/- 15dB Gain, CV controlled +/- 5V
> Q/bandwidth, CV controlled
> Centre Frequency 20-20KHz, CV controlled.
> 
> A Switch to route all CV controls for the first EQ section to be 
> normalled to control the second section for stereo operation.
> 
> If you want to have 2 band mono, just patch output 1 to input 2. If 
> you want 2 band stereo, just buy a second module!
> 
> This would have to be good enough quality to route a stereo mix 
> through. Perhaps this is where a truly top quality stereo audio 
> preamp module would be really useful. I often process parts of my 
> entire mix through my modular and edit these chunks back into the 
> mix, but it's sometimes a worry as to the sound quality due to the 
> modular preamps.
> 
> Sean
>

in case you think that i forgot about the polls regarding new bright ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules, you're wrong.
 
i am just gathering all the ideas and i'll create all the new polls during the Christmas vacations.
 
so, in case you were thinking about it, let me hear more of your ideas....


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Tue, 11/4/08, partlydrone <partlydrone@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: partlydrone <partlydrone@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 8:53 PM






fwiw i really do think that releasing one monster digital module
(maybe with different front panel overlays for different functions,
and maybe charging for different programs, and at least giving people
the option of writing for it by being open about how to program it) is
a really good idea. for one thing, most people are really uptight
about the amount of rack space they give to each module, so
compactness and multifunctionality are always a good thing. 

also so much of the cost of a module is the hardware etc, it makes
sense on that front. 

it might be one of those things that sells modestly, at a higher
price, but if you've designed it anyway, and it's released as a
"pro-user-only" item, it's the kind of thing that might just fly. 

i realise it must be annoying having enthusiasts try to persuade you
about a business model that you know better than anyone. 

i guess at its core, as a first bid, i just think if someone sold an
arduino behind a eurorack panel with five useful and interesting CV
processing/generati ng programs in its memory from boot, it would sell
very consistently in a hobbyist kind of way, if admittedly not as well
as a VCA. 

--- In Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com, <yahoo@...> wrote:
>
> > that's really interesting stuff dieter.
> >
> > one thing i've wondered about it sharing the developer costs in the
> > community, a lot of people are asking about digital modules, and i
> > wonder whether the general purpose digital module that has been in the
> > pipeline for a while could be released openly with just a few
> > functions, and enough information for people to write their own
> > programs for it if they feel nerdy enough. not necessarily write whole
> > filters and things, as that's a bit unrealistic, but especially for
> > controller things it would be perfect, and simple, and a public
> > library would build up fairly fast i think.
> 
> I'll suggest this to Christian as I'm only an analog designer and
don't know
> too much about USB, OSC or Max/MSP.
> Currently we use the prototype of the universal digital AD/DA module (I
> think that's what you're talking about) as a design platform to develop
> other digital modules with less features (like the A-189-1 Bit
Modifier or
> the planned CV controlled DSP effects module). We believe that it
does not
> make sense to release only one "monster" module with tons of different
> functions based on the same user interface (i.e. one frontpanel with
> sockets, switches, potentiometers, LEDs, display and so on).
> Concerning the universal digital module I don't think there are many
A-100
> user's who are able to program the microcontroller as a lot of
programming
> experience and design environment (assembler, compiler, linker,
debugger,
> emulator) is necessary. The module cannot be programmed with a simple
> programming language with but only in assembler or C.
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>

 














      

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Dear Dieter, dear listmembers,

In 2006, there was an idea about an voltage controlled arpeggiator
module. Florian had some nice ideas about it, and if I remember well
there was already a poll on it too.

Main features that were mentioned at the time:

- Midi in
-(quantized) CV out
- VC Gate out (length, clock division)
- VC input for octave range (1-4 octaves or so ...)
- VC of register readout mode (up, down, u&d, random, etc)

Is this still a viable suggestion for a new module candidate ?

Best regards,
Joost

yes, of course it is!
 
are these the features i should mention in the new poll, or are there are more?
 
thanks,
Bakis.
 


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Sat, 11/22/08, levka0 <levka@dds.nl> wrote:

From: levka0 <levka@dds.nl>
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules! => VC arpeggiator module
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 9:26 PM






Dear Dieter, dear listmembers,

In 2006, there was an idea about an voltage controlled arpeggiator
module. Florian had some nice ideas about it, and if I remember well
there was already a poll on it too.

Main features that were mentioned at the time:

- Midi in
-(quantized) CV out
- VC Gate out (length, clock division)
- VC input for octave range (1-4 octaves or so ...)
- VC of register readout mode (up, down, u&d, random, etc)

Is this still a viable suggestion for a new module candidate ?

Best regards,
Joost

 














      

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I have for sale the following.

euro modules

Elby/Ken Stone Synthacon Filter US$110
Elby/Ken Stone Super Psycho LFO US$190
Doepder WASP filter US$80 bananafied

or buy will 3 modules for US$310

All in mint condition with minimal use non smoking room

Postage US$10 per module or $20 if you buy all 3 modules.

you will see these modules in some of my vids
http://www.youtube.com/user/cray56

Cheers
Ross




>

I'm in the market for a midi-cv coverter at the moment, but was playing around with my 
x0xb0x the other day and love how I can program the glide and accent using midi note 
overlap and velocity levels. A module that would allow this functionality with a modular? I 
can get the glide, but not the accent at the moment.

Is this a possibility for a new module, or is it something that is already available? If it is 
available, which module would I use?

-a.

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@...> wrote:
>
> hi Group,
> 
> some years ago, i had asked you to tell me new ides for forthcoming A100 modules 
and, after gathering all these ideas, i created many new polls...
> 
> so, its time that we do the same!
> 
> let me hear your, down to earth or crazy, ideas for future A100 modules!
> 
> i'l gather the best ideas (that are not covered from existing a100 modules) and i'll create 
new polls about these modules.

> 
> then, some of these may end up as new A100 modules...
> 
> digital, analogue and hybrid modules ideas, all count! 
> 
> (let's make the A100 even more 'out of this world"...)
> 
> also, this way, you may give food for thought to the whole modular community...
> 
> thanks,
> best regards,    :-)
> Bakis.
> 
> 
> 
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> www. DiN. org. uk
> www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> www. shimarecords. co. uk
> www. rubberrecords. gr
> Athens - Greece
>

If you mean changing the glide time with a midinote:Yes this is possible
with the A171 CV Slew Limiter and an A190.

Greetings,

Ernst

On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 2:10 PM, bty205236 <andrew.maunder@btinternet.com>wrote:

>   I'm in the market for a midi-cv coverter at the moment, but was playing
> around with my
> x0xb0x the other day and love how I can program the glide and accent using
> midi note
> overlap and velocity levels. A module that would allow this functionality
> with a modular? I
> can get the glide, but not the accent at the moment.
>
> Is this a possibility for a new module, or is it something that is already
> available? If it is
> available, which module would I use?
>
> -a.
>
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@...> wrote:
> >
> > hi Group,
> >
> > some years ago, i had asked you to tell me new ides for forthcoming A100
> modules
> and, after gathering all these ideas, i created many new polls...
> >
> > so, its time that we do the same!
> >
> > let me hear your, down to earth or crazy, ideas for future A100 modules!
> >
> > i'l gather the best ideas (that are not covered from existing a100
> modules) and i'll create
> new polls about these modules.
> >
> > then, some of these may end up as new A100 modules...
> >
> > digital, analogue and hybrid modules ideas, all count!
> >
> > (let's make the A100 even more 'out of this world"...)
> >
> > also, this way, you may give food for thought to the whole modular
> community...
> >
> > thanks,
> > best regards, :-)
> > Bakis.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> > www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> > www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> > www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> > www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> > www. DiN. org. uk
> > www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> > www. shimarecords. co. uk
> > www. rubberrecords. gr
> > Athens - Greece
> >
>
>  
>


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Howdy folks, how about a universal tube module/acoustic generator 
that is able to process audio and control voltages?  Also include vc 
of the tube saturation and/or presence.

Personally, I'd like a 12A_7 socket for the diverse selection of 
tubes avaialble.  Perhaps Dieter could sell the module unloaded, and 
let the end user decide which tubes to use?

Due to the power requirements of the tube, the module would most 
likely only able to be one channel and require a +5v adapter.  

I am kinda curious the see the impact of running a voltage thru a 
module like this pre-oscillator.

There are some other manufacturers working/shipping tube modules, but 
Dieter gets my loyalty most of the time.

Any thoughts?


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, achtung_999 
<heinrich.himmelwasser@...> wrote:
>
> If you mean changing the glide time with a midinote:Yes this is 
possible
> with the A171 CV Slew Limiter and an A190.
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Ernst
> 
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 2:10 PM, bty205236 
<andrew.maunder@...>wrote:
> 
> >   I'm in the market for a midi-cv coverter at the moment, but was 
playing
> > around with my
> > x0xb0x the other day and love how I can program the glide and 
accent using
> > midi note
> > overlap and velocity levels. A module that would allow this 
functionality
> > with a modular? I
> > can get the glide, but not the accent at the moment.
> >
> > Is this a possibility for a new module, or is it something that 
is already
> > available? If it is
> > available, which module would I use?
> >
> > -a.
> >
> >
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%
40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@> wrote:
> > >
> > > hi Group,
> > >
> > > some years ago, i had asked you to tell me new ides for 
forthcoming A100
> > modules
> > and, after gathering all these ideas, i created many new polls...
> > >
> > > so, its time that we do the same!
> > >
> > > let me hear your, down to earth or crazy, ideas for future A100 
modules!
> > >
> > > i'l gather the best ideas (that are not covered from existing 
a100
> > modules) and i'll create
> > new polls about these modules.
> > >
> > > then, some of these may end up as new A100 modules...
> > >
> > > digital, analogue and hybrid modules ideas, all count!
> > >
> > > (let's make the A100 even more 'out of this world"...)
> > >
> > > also, this way, you may give food for thought to the whole 
modular

> > community...
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > > best regards, :-)
> > > Bakis.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> > > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> > > www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> > > www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> > > www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> > > www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> > > www. DiN. org. uk
> > > www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> > > www. shimarecords. co. uk
> > > www. rubberrecords. gr
> > > Athens - Greece
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

sounds very interesting!
 
i have the Tube VCA module from Metalbox/CGS and like its tonality.
 
Dieter?

Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Sun, 11/23/08, mss_panzer <mss_panzer@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: mss_panzer <mss_panzer@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Let me hear your bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules!
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 7:45 PM






Howdy folks, how about a universal tube module/acoustic generator 
that is able to process audio and control voltages? Also include vc 
of the tube saturation and/or presence.

Personally, I'd like a 12A_7 socket for the diverse selection of 
tubes avaialble. Perhaps Dieter could sell the module unloaded, and 
let the end user decide which tubes to use?

Due to the power requirements of the tube, the module would most 
likely only able to be one channel and require a +5v adapter. 

I am kinda curious the see the impact of running a voltage thru a 
module like this pre-oscillator.

There are some other manufacturers working/shipping tube modules, but 
Dieter gets my loyalty most of the time.

Any thoughts?

--- In Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com, achtung_999 
<heinrich.himmelwas ser@...> wrote:
>
> If you mean changing the glide time with a midinote:Yes this is 
possible
> with the A171 CV Slew Limiter and an A190.
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Ernst
> 
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 2:10 PM, bty205236 
<andrew.maunder@ ...>wrote:
> 
> > I'm in the market for a midi-cv coverter at the moment, but was 
playing
> > around with my
> > x0xb0x the other day and love how I can program the glide and 
accent using
> > midi note
> > overlap and velocity levels. A module that would allow this 
functionality
> > with a modular? I
> > can get the glide, but not the accent at the moment.
> >
> > Is this a possibility for a new module, or is it something that 
is already
> > available? If it is
> > available, which module would I use?
> >
> > -a.
> >
> >
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com <Doepfer_a100%
40yahoogroups. com>,
> > Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_ 2000@> wrote:
> > >
> > > hi Group,
> > >
> > > some years ago, i had asked you to tell me new ides for 
forthcoming A100
> > modules
> > and, after gathering all these ideas, i created many new polls...
> > >
> > > so, its time that we do the same!
> > >
> > > let me hear your, down to earth or crazy, ideas for future A100 
modules!
> > >
> > > i'l gather the best ideas (that are not covered from existing 
a100
> > modules) and i'll create
> > new polls about these modules.
> > >
> > > then, some of these may end up as new A100 modules...
> > >
> > > digital, analogue and hybrid modules ideas, all count!
> > >
> > > (let's make the A100 even more 'out of this world"...)
> > >
> > > also, this way, you may give food for thought to the whole 
modular
> > community...
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > > best regards, :-)
> > > Bakis.
> > >
> > >
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> > > www. musicamaximamagneti ca. com
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1V/oct is a common feature for VCF, although I doubt that filters have
a nice tracking. I wonder if it does exist a VCF with linear fm CV input.

yes, there is a VCF with linear FM cv input. its the onboard VCF in the A111-2 Dynamic vco module. 
well, in this VCF, the linear fm input is normalled to the triangle out of the VCO.
but, you can control the fm index via a cv input (that is, the gain cv of a lin. VCA before the linear fm input).


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

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From: pfichoux <pfichoux@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: new ideas for future Doepfer A100 modules! => lin fm VCF
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 11:43 PM






1V/oct is a common feature for VCF, although I doubt that filters have
a nice tracking. I wonder if it does exist a VCF with linear fm CV input.

 














      

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> Dear Dieter, dear listmembers,
>
> In 2006, there was an idea about an voltage controlled arpeggiator
> module. Florian had some nice ideas about it, and if I remember well
> there was already a poll on it too.
>
> Main features that were mentioned at the time:
>
> - Midi in
> -(quantized) CV out
> - VC Gate out (length, clock division)
> - VC input for octave range (1-4 octaves or so ...)
> - VC of register readout mode (up, down, u&d, random, etc)
>
> Is this still a viable suggestion for a new module candidate ?
>
> Best regards,
> Joost

Our problem is not the number of suggested modules (currently we have more
than 50 of these, suggested by this group or from customers directly) but to
find out which of the suggested modules should be developed and
manufactured. Both technical and economical have to be considered before we
start a new module: we have to be able to develop such a module basically
and within a limited development time (e.g. one customer actually suggested
e.g. a 16 voice polyphonic, polytimbral fully voltage controlled digital
synthesizer module - that's totally beyond our possibilities), and there
have to be sufficient serious inquiries. The polls in this forum are very
helpful tools to find this out. The development time varies from a few hours
(e.g. for a very simple module like an attenuator or multiple or simpla
amplifier) to a couple of months or even years for very complex designs
(e.g. like the A-107 morphing filter). Usually we can manage about 4-6
modules per year.

The suggested arpeggiator module seems to be within our possibilities and we
could offer it provided that there are sufficient inquiries.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

> Howdy folks, how about a universal tube module/acoustic generator
> that is able to process audio and control voltages?  Also include vc
> of the tube saturation and/or presence.
>
> Personally, I'd like a 12A_7 socket for the diverse selection of
> tubes avaialble.  Perhaps Dieter could sell the module unloaded, and
> let the end user decide which tubes to use?
>
> Due to the power requirements of the tube, the module would most
> likely only able to be one channel and require a +5v adapter.
>
> I am kinda curious the see the impact of running a voltage thru a
> module like this pre-oscillator.
>
> There are some other manufacturers working/shipping tube modules, but
> Dieter gets my loyalty most of the time.
>
> Any thoughts?

We will not offer tube modules because of the perilous voltages that are
necessary to run the tubes. It would be necessary to  built each module in a
separate box because of the electrical safety. Another problem is the power
consumption of the tube heating. This would require another bus structure
with an additional "high power/low quality" voltage as it does not make
sense to take the current for the tube heating from the high qualitiy supply
voltage.

I don't see a chance for Doepfer tube modules in the foreseeable future :-(

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

Dieter,
 
Fully understand about reluctance to work with tubes.
 
I believe that Eric of Metasonix is looking into Euro format tube
modules.
 
David
 
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Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Let me hear your bright new ideas for
future Doepfer A100 modules!



> Howdy folks, how about a universal tube module/acoustic generator
> that is able to process audio and control voltages? Also include vc
> of the tube saturation and/or presence.
>
> Personally, I'd like a 12A_7 socket for the diverse selection of
> tubes avaialble. Perhaps Dieter could sell the module unloaded, and
> let the end user decide which tubes to use?
>
> Due to the power requirements of the tube, the module would most
> likely only able to be one channel and require a +5v adapter.
>
> I am kinda curious the see the impact of running a voltage thru a
> module like this pre-oscillator.
>
> There are some other manufacturers working/shipping tube modules, but
> Dieter gets my loyalty most of the time.
>
> Any thoughts?

We will not offer tube modules because of the perilous voltages that are
necessary to run the tubes. It would be necessary to built each module
in a
separate box because of the electrical safety. Another problem is the
power
consumption of the tube heating. This would require another bus
structure
with an additional "high power/low quality" voltage as it does not make
sense to take the current for the tube heating from the high qualitiy
supply
voltage.

I don't see a chance for Doepfer tube modules in the foreseeable future
:-(

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer



 


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Out customer Stefan Breitenfeld has programmed another Java based A-100
planner. Unfortunately Andrew Parker has no time to update and correct his
planner as he is very busy at the moment (some modules are missing and the
prices and width of some module are not correct). Here is the link to the
new planner:

http://www.stefanbreitenfeld.com/doepfer/a100_planer.html

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

Hi,


 > Both technical and economical have to be considered before we
 > start a new module
One economic aspect of new modules might be also to open a new market 
with a new target group. I think there are a lot of people, who want 
some gear with advanced functions like available in the modular world, 
but who do not want to have the standard rack-based modular setup.

I know: This requires to change the basic construction principle, which 
offers more possibilities for a standalone usage of the modules. The 
"beauty case" is a good beginning, but I think a table top housing like 
used by the mfb Kraftzwerg or like the flame clockwerk
(occasionally both in one picture here: 
http://www.sequencer.de/pix/fricke/mfb_synth3.jpg) would be great.
I know this requires modules with pcbs mounted not rectangular, but 
parallel to the front - but the times for changes will come sooner or 
later anyway ;-)

Florian

> I know this requires modules with pcbs mounted not rectangular, but
> parallel to the front - but the times for changes will come sooner or
> later anyway ;-)
>
> Florian

A-111-5 is already built in this version with pcb in parallel to the front
panel and with smd parts - as well as some older A-100 modules (e.g. A-107,
A-180, A-182, A-138e, A-164, A-186).

Best wishes
Dieter

I think that I would buy 4 of them. I love the idea of one button music and
I collect arpeggiators just for the purpose of making such music.

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 5:15 AM, <yahoo@doepfer.de> wrote:

>   > Dear Dieter, dear listmembers,
> >
> > In 2006, there was an idea about an voltage controlled arpeggiator
> > module. Florian had some nice ideas about it, and if I remember well
> > there was already a poll on it too.
> >
> > Main features that were mentioned at the time:
> >
> > - Midi in
> > -(quantized) CV out
> > - VC Gate out (length, clock division)
> > - VC input for octave range (1-4 octaves or so ...)
> > - VC of register readout mode (up, down, u&d, random, etc)
> >
> > Is this still a viable suggestion for a new module candidate ?
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Joost
>
> Our problem is not the number of suggested modules (currently we have more
> than 50 of these, suggested by this group or from customers directly) but
> to
> find out which of the suggested modules should be developed and
> manufactured. Both technical and economical have to be considered before we
> start a new module: we have to be able to develop such a module basically
> and within a limited development time (e.g. one customer actually suggested
> e.g. a 16 voice polyphonic, polytimbral fully voltage controlled digital
> synthesizer module - that's totally beyond our possibilities), and there
> have to be sufficient serious inquiries. The polls in this forum are very
> helpful tools to find this out. The development time varies from a few
> hours
> (e.g. for a very simple module like an attenuator or multiple or simpla
> amplifier) to a couple of months or even years for very complex designs
> (e.g. like the A-107 morphing filter). Usually we can manage about 4-6
> modules per year.
>
> The suggested arpeggiator module seems to be within our possibilities and
> we
> could offer it provided that there are sufficient inquiries.
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>
>  
>



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