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2008-12-03 by Carlos
trying to decide which of the two I want as a multimode filter. I know the wasp is going to be nastier which I will probably like, but curious if its usable also as a clean high pass and in general usable for my subtle filtering. Pretty sure the SEM will be... anyone here has both and can shine in or make an a to b example? thanks!
2008-12-03 by Argitoth
I think the A-106-1 makes a really nice bandpass/notch/highpass filter, but it won't do you any good as a soft lowpass filter because it can only sound overdriven, bubbly, and screamy. I was looking to maybe get a wasp filter too, but I want to hear an audio demo first. Here's an audio demo of A-106-1 Highpass: http://www.elanhickler.com/misc/a-106-1_highpass.mp3 let me know if you need anymore audio demos On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Carlos <bushwick@gmail.com> wrote: > trying to decide which of the two I want as a multimode filter. I know > the wasp is going to be nastier which I will probably like, but > curious if its usable also as a clean high pass and in general usable > for my subtle filtering. Pretty sure the SEM will be... > > anyone here has both and can shine in or make an a to b example? > > thanks! > > -- www.elanhickler.com
2008-12-04 by york luethje
except that he was asking about the SEM filter, not the X-treme filter. A-106-1 / A-106-5. Difference. ________________________________
From: Argitoth <argitoth@gmail.com>
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 6:14:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Doepfer SEM VCF A-106-5 vs Wasp Filter
I think the A-106-1 makes a really nice bandpass/notch/ highpass
filter, but it won't do you any good as a soft lowpass filter because
it can only sound overdriven, bubbly, and screamy. I was looking to
maybe get a wasp filter too, but I want to hear an audio demo first.
Here's an audio demo of A-106-1 Highpass:
http://www.elanhick ler.com/misc/ a-106-1_highpass .mp3
let me know if you need anymore audio demos
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Carlos <bushwick@gmail. com> wrote:
> trying to decide which of the two I want as a multimode filter. I know
> the wasp is going to be nastier which I will probably like, but
> curious if its usable also as a clean high pass and in general usable
> for my subtle filtering. Pretty sure the SEM will be...
>
> anyone here has both and can shine in or make an a to b example?
>
> thanks!
>
>
--
www.elanhickler. com
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2008-12-04 by Argitoth
A-106-5? I used to have an A-106-5 but got rid of it. You could get an overdriven sound out of it, it can't self oscillate, but the sound it had just wasn't worth keeping IMO. Lets get some audio demos of the A-106-5 and Wasp Filter, that would really help Carlos out. On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:01 PM, york luethje <ybl@yahoo.com> wrote: > except that he was asking about the SEM filter, not the X-treme filter. > A-106-1 / A-106-5. Difference. > > ________________________________ > From: Argitoth <argitoth@gmail.com> > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 6:14:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Doepfer SEM VCF A-106-5 vs Wasp Filter > > I think the A-106-1 makes a really nice bandpass/notch/ highpass > filter, but it won't do you any good as a soft lowpass filter because > it can only sound overdriven, bubbly, and screamy. I was looking to > maybe get a wasp filter too, but I want to hear an audio demo first. > > Here's an audio demo of A-106-1 Highpass: > http://www.elanhick ler.com/misc/ a-106-1_highpass .mp3 > > let me know if you need anymore audio demos > > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Carlos <bushwick@gmail. com> wrote: >> trying to decide which of the two I want as a multimode filter. I know >> the wasp is going to be nastier which I will probably like, but >> curious if its usable also as a clean high pass and in general usable >> for my subtle filtering. Pretty sure the SEM will be... >> >> anyone here has both and can shine in or make an a to b example? >> >> thanks! >> >> > > -- > www.elanhickler. com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > -- www.elanhickler.com
2008-12-04 by york luethje
No, what really would help Carlos out is an answer to his question. Both the Wasp-Filter and the SEM-Filter share the same controls, as stated on the Doepfer website. As is stated there as well, sonically both filters are miles apart. So Carlos, can you perhaps tell us whether you have any different filters? Is this your first foray into the modular world or are you an old-timer? You did state that you want to use the filter for vanilla stuff. Neither module springs to mind immediately under these constraints. Have you looked at other modules / do you use other filters? On a different note: Argitoth, it would be great if you were to channel your opinions into something more constructive. Dissing a module and calling it overpriced crap is all very well. Keep in mind though that not everyone has your wealth of experience and does not have access to your mammoth synth collection.So please enlighten us with your masterly ways and don't despair if it appears too simplistic. It's not you, it's us! We don't get it! ________________________________
From: Argitoth <argitoth@gmail.com>
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 7:05:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Doepfer SEM VCF A-106-5 vs Wasp Filter
A-106-5? I used to have an A-106-5 but got rid of it. You could get an
overdriven sound out of it, it can't self oscillate, but the sound it
had just wasn't worth keeping IMO. Lets get some audio demos of the
A-106-5 and Wasp Filter, that would really help Carlos out.
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:01 PM, york luethje <ybl@yahoo.com> wrote:
> except that he was asking about the SEM filter, not the X-treme filter.
> A-106-1 / A-106-5. Difference.
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Argitoth <argitoth@gmail. com>
> To: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 6:14:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Doepfer SEM VCF A-106-5 vs Wasp Filter
>
> I think the A-106-1 makes a really nice bandpass/notch/ highpass
> filter, but it won't do you any good as a soft lowpass filter because
> it can only sound overdriven, bubbly, and screamy. I was looking to
> maybe get a wasp filter too, but I want to hear an audio demo first.
>
> Here's an audio demo of A-106-1 Highpass:
> http://www.elanhick ler.com/misc/ a-106-1_highpass .mp3
>
> let me know if you need anymore audio demos
>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Carlos <bushwick@gmail. com> wrote:
>> trying to decide which of the two I want as a multimode filter. I know
>> the wasp is going to be nastier which I will probably like, but
>> curious if its usable also as a clean high pass and in general usable
>> for my subtle filtering. Pretty sure the SEM will be...
>>
>> anyone here has both and can shine in or make an a to b example?
>>
>> thanks!
>>
>>
>
> --
> www.elanhickler. com
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
--
www.elanhickler. com
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2008-12-04 by Argitoth
I don't want to continue saying things that make people upset, so let me just say this and be done with it. I owned it for a very short time, I shouldn't have given an opinion about it.
2008-12-04 by Bakis Sirros
correct... Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist [Doepfer_a100] group owner www. parallel - worlds - music. com www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic www. myspace. com/ memorygeist www. DiN. org. uk www. musicamaximamagnetica. com www. shimarecords. co. uk www. rubberrecords. gr Athens - Greece --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Argitoth <argitoth@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Argitoth <argitoth@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Doepfer SEM VCF A-106-5 vs Wasp Filter
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 11:10 AM
I don't want to continue saying things that make people upset, so let
me just say this and be done with it. I owned it for a very short
time, I shouldn't have given an opinion about it.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2008-12-04 by achtung_999
May I point out Dubshot's excellent filter shootout topic that he did last month? http://dubshot.blogspot.com/2008/10/big-doepfer-filter-shootout-8-doepfer.html It does not feature both filters mentioned but it might proof some other nice filter insights. greets, Ernst On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>wrote: > correct... > > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist > [Doepfer_a100] group owner > www. parallel - worlds - music. com > www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic > www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic > www. myspace. com/ memorygeist > www. DiN. org. uk > www. musicamaximamagnetica. com > www. shimarecords. co. uk > www. rubberrecords. gr > Athens - Greece > > > --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Argitoth <argitoth@gmail.com <argitoth%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > From: Argitoth <argitoth@gmail.com <argitoth%40gmail.com>> > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Doepfer SEM VCF A-106-5 vs Wasp Filter > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 11:10 AM > > I don't want to continue saying things that make people upset, so let > me just say this and be done with it. I owned it for a very short > time, I shouldn't have given an opinion about it. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-12-04 by Argitoth
crap... looks like I'm not done with this. achtung_999, listening to the filter shootout files, I really felt like it was all done extremely clinically to the point that I don't think the filters had a chance to shine in their own ways. That's why I was suggesting someone post an audio demo of the Wasp filter because that person would probably post something not so clinical. I just feel like the filter shootout is a bad way to decide if you like a filter or not.
2008-12-04 by achtung_999
You have a small point there. It is pretty clinical, yes. But he does introduce the same source material to all the filters, which could be a nice way to compare. It is at least the most unbiased filter comparison I've seen. On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Argitoth <argitoth@gmail.com> wrote: > crap... looks like I'm not done with this. > > achtung_999, listening to the filter shootout files, I really felt > like it was all done extremely clinically to the point that I don't > think the filters had a chance to shine in their own ways. That's why > I was suggesting someone post an audio demo of the Wasp filter because > that person would probably post something not so clinical. I just feel > like the filter shootout is a bad way to decide if you like a filter > or not. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-12-04 by Carlos
I don't think I can be considered an 'old timer' but I am certainly not a newcomer :). I have 7 different filter across 3 different formats. In Eurorack I have the a-105 lowpass which I really like and is very close to perfect for what I want in a lowpass filter. I also have the harvestman polyvoks clone which I really like too as a different flavor filter that can make some really sick sounds. However I am doing some changes to my portable setup and need to replace the polyvoks (I won't sell it just going to a rack setup in my studio) for something that fits on 8 hp and also would be nice to have a filter on my eurorack portable that can do high pass. I am leaning towards the Wasp cause I think I can probably get a good range of interesting sounds out of it, but I am worried if it can be used for straightforward highpass filtering without introducing noise/too much of the filter characteristics to the sound. If it does then the SEM multimode seems like the other viable option. --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, york luethje <ybl@...> wrote: > > No, what really would help Carlos out is an answer to his question. Both the Wasp-Filter and the SEM-Filter share the same controls, as stated on the Doepfer website. As is stated there as well, sonically both filters are miles apart. > > So Carlos, can you perhaps tell us whether you have any different filters? Is this your first foray into the modular world or are you an old-timer? > > You did state that you want to use the filter for vanilla stuff. Neither module springs to mind immediately under these constraints. Have you looked at other modules / do you use other filters? > > > On a different note: Argitoth, it would be great if you were to channel your opinions into something more constructive. Dissing a module and calling it overpriced crap is all very well. Keep in mind though that not everyone has your wealth of experience and does not have access to your mammoth synth collection.So please enlighten us with your masterly ways and don't despair if it appears too simplistic. > > It's not you, it's us! We don't get it! > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Argitoth <argitoth@...> > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 7:05:08 PM > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Doepfer SEM VCF A-106-5 vs Wasp Filter > > > A-106-5? I used to have an A-106-5 but got rid of it. You could get an > overdriven sound out of it, it can't self oscillate, but the sound it > had just wasn't worth keeping IMO. Lets get some audio demos of the > A-106-5 and Wasp Filter, that would really help Carlos out. > > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:01 PM, york luethje <ybl@...> wrote: > > except that he was asking about the SEM filter, not the X-treme filter. > > A-106-1 / A-106-5. Difference. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Argitoth <argitoth@gmail. com> > > To: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com > > Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 6:14:43 PM > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Doepfer SEM VCF A-106-5 vs Wasp Filter > > > > I think the A-106-1 makes a really nice bandpass/notch/ highpass > > filter, but it won't do you any good as a soft lowpass filter because > > it can only sound overdriven, bubbly, and screamy. I was looking to > > maybe get a wasp filter too, but I want to hear an audio demo first. > > > > Here's an audio demo of A-106-1 Highpass: > > http://www.elanhick ler.com/misc/ a-106-1_highpass .mp3 > > > > let me know if you need anymore audio demos > > > > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Carlos <bushwick@gmail. com> wrote: > >> trying to decide which of the two I want as a multimode filter. I know > >> the wasp is going to be nastier which I will probably like, but > >> curious if its usable also as a clean high pass and in general usable
> >> for my subtle filtering. Pretty sure the SEM will be... > >> > >> anyone here has both and can shine in or make an a to b example? > >> > >> thanks! > >> > >> > > > > -- > > www.elanhickler. com > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > -- > www.elanhickler. com > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2008-12-04 by Bakis Sirros
i too use the Wasp filter module in my portable set-up, mainly because i have multimode filtering in 8HP. works fine for me! Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist [Doepfer_a100] group owner www. parallel - worlds - music. com www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic www. myspace. com/ memorygeist www. DiN. org. uk www. musicamaximamagnetica. com www. shimarecords. co. uk www. rubberrecords. gr Athens - Greece --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Carlos <bushwick@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Carlos <bushwick@gmail.com>
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Doepfer SEM VCF A-106-5 vs Wasp Filter
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 3:48 PM
I don't think I can be considered an 'old timer' but I am certainly
not a newcomer :).
I have 7 different filter across 3 different formats. In Eurorack I
have the a-105 lowpass which I really like and is very close to
perfect for what I want in a lowpass filter. I also have the
harvestman polyvoks clone which I really like too as a different
flavor filter that can make some really sick sounds.
However I am doing some changes to my portable setup and need to
replace the polyvoks (I won't sell it just going to a rack setup in my
studio) for something that fits on 8 hp and also would be nice to have
a filter on my eurorack portable that can do high pass.
I am leaning towards the Wasp cause I think I can probably get a good
range of interesting sounds out of it, but I am worried if it can be
used for straightforward highpass filtering without introducing
noise/too much of the filter characteristics to the sound. If it does
then the SEM multimode seems like the other viable option.
--- In Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com, york luethje <ybl@...> wrote:
>
> No, what really would help Carlos out is an answer to his question.
Both the Wasp-Filter and the SEM-Filter share the same controls, as
stated on the Doepfer website. As is stated there as well, sonically
both filters are miles apart.
>
> So Carlos, can you perhaps tell us whether you have any different
filters? Is this your first foray into the modular world or are you an
old-timer?
>
> You did state that you want to use the filter for vanilla stuff.
Neither module springs to mind immediately under these constraints.
Have you looked at other modules / do you use other filters?
>
>
> On a different note: Argitoth, it would be great if you were to
channel your opinions into something more constructive. Dissing a
module and calling it overpriced crap is all very well. Keep in mind
though that not everyone has your wealth of experience and does not
have access to your mammoth synth collection.So please enlighten us
with your masterly ways and don't despair if it appears too
simplistic.
>
> It's not you, it's us! We don't get it!
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Argitoth <argitoth@.. .>
> To: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 7:05:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Doepfer SEM VCF A-106-5 vs Wasp Filter
>
>
> A-106-5? I used to have an A-106-5 but got rid of it. You could get
an
> overdriven sound out of it, it can't self oscillate, but the sound
it
> had just wasn't worth keeping IMO. Lets get some audio demos of the
> A-106-5 and Wasp Filter, that would really help Carlos out.
>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:01 PM, york luethje <ybl@...> wrote:
> > except that he was asking about the SEM filter, not the X-treme
filter.
> > A-106-1 / A-106-5. Difference.
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > From: Argitoth <argitoth@gmail. com>
> > To: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 6:14:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Doepfer SEM VCF A-106-5 vs Wasp Filter
> >
> > I think the A-106-1 makes a really nice bandpass/notch/ highpass
> > filter, but it won't do you any good as a soft lowpass filter
because
> > it can only sound overdriven, bubbly, and screamy. I was looking
to
> > maybe get a wasp filter too, but I want to hear an audio demo
first.
> >
> > Here's an audio demo of A-106-1 Highpass:
> > http://www.elanhick ler.com/misc/ a-106-1_highpass .mp3
> >
> > let me know if you need anymore audio demos
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Carlos <bushwick@gmail. com>
wrote:
> >> trying to decide which of the two I want as a multimode filter. I
know
> >> the wasp is going to be nastier which I will probably like, but
> >> curious if its usable also as a clean high pass and in general
usable
> >> for my subtle filtering. Pretty sure the SEM will be...
> >>
> >> anyone here has both and can shine in or make an a to b example?
> >>
> >> thanks!
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > www.elanhickler. com
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> --
> www.elanhickler. com
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2008-12-04 by deastman2
A while back, I made a rather non-clinical comparison of the Doepfer SEM and Wasp filters, along with several others. You can find the discussion here. http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php? t=212896&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight= I made two comparisons- the first mp3 which is a rather short comparison, and then a second extended set later on in the thread. I'm not sure if the extended versions are still available online, as I didn't host them myself at the time. I'll be happy to put them back up on my web site if need be.
2008-12-05 by deastman2
Okay, I have the filter demonstration back up on my site. This is a RAR file containing the uncompressed WAVs. http://www.distantdimensions.com/euro_filter_demos2.rar Also, if anyone wants to run a comparison of a different filter, my raw oscillator output is here: http://www.distantdimensions.com/unfiltered_a-110_vco.rar Again, for more details, refer to this thread: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=212896 --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "deastman2" <deastman2@...> wrote:
> > A while back, I made a rather non-clinical comparison of the Doepfer > SEM and Wasp filters, along with several others. You can find the > discussion here. > http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php? > t=212896&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight= > > I made two comparisons- the first mp3 which is a rather short > comparison, and then a second extended set later on in the thread. I'm > not sure if the extended versions are still available online, as I > didn't host them myself at the time. I'll be happy to put them back up > on my web site if need be. >