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2010-04-11 by andreashaun2000
hi folks, i've sold a house and now i've 8K euros for modular system. 1. should i buy a 3He system or 5 He (i love to experiment) 2. doepfer soley or other modules 3. monstercases or low cost variants thank you for your advice andreas
2010-04-11 by Bakis Sirros
hi Andreas, buy a monster or portable a100P9 cases. i have two and they are great. i prefer them to the low cost cases (IMHO), but the low cost cases are also fine... 3U or 5U format? is that your question? if you love experimenting, then definitely 3U. the range of wierd euro modules is huge! buy many doepfer modules and also other euro modules too, for some exotic options. thanks, best regards, Bakis. Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist [Doepfer_a100] group owner www. parallel - worlds - music. com www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic www. myspace. com/ memorygeist www. DiN. org. uk www. musicamaximamagnetica. com www. vu-us. com --- On Mon, 4/12/10, andreashaun2000 <andreashaun2000@yahoo.de> wrote:
From: andreashaun2000 <andreashaun2000@yahoo.de>
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] i have 8K euros for a moduler system. what to buy
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 12:00 AM
hi folks,
i've sold a house and now i've 8K euros for modular system.
1. should i buy a 3He system or 5 He (i love to experiment)
2. doepfer soley or other modules
3. monstercases or low cost variants
thank you for your advice
andreas
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2010-04-11 by Richard Scott
as its stands its kind of a crazy question. What music are you interested in making? what kind of sounds? How do you imagine controlling it - sequencing, keyboard, touch response? Do you need polyphony, portability? external processing? Are you coming to this fresh or building on an existing experience/ current setup? tell us more... If I was coming to it completely fresh then 8k worth of euro modules all at once would be utterly confusing! my advice is to start small and see what you like - many of us end up selling a lot of what we start out with - I know when i started out I bought loads of shit I really didn't need and didn't know how to use - plus I missed some vital things I didn't know I needed - like a lot of attenuators and VCAs with that kind of money I would also think about buying a buchla or a serge, or a VCS3 plus a nice little euro system - but it depends entirely on what floats your boat and what you want to do with it. Richard
On 4/11/10 11:00 PM, andreashaun2000 wrote: > > > hi folks, > > i've sold a house and now i've 8K euros for modular system. > > 1. should i buy a 3He system or 5 He (i love to experiment) > 2. doepfer soley or other modules > 3. monstercases or low cost variants > > thank you for your advice > andreas > >
2010-04-12 by andreashaun2000
hi bakis, yes ... i like to experiment with lots of modules. i think the 3u format will be my format. what modules do you have and wich modules are esentiell for experimenting? first i'll buy a monster base and then a 9er and 6er for the top cheers andreas --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@...> wrote:
> > hi Andreas, > > buy a monster or portable a100P9 cases. > i have two and they are great. > i prefer them to the low cost cases (IMHO), but the low cost cases are also fine... > > 3U or 5U format? > > is that your question? > > if you love experimenting, then definitely 3U. > Â the range of wierd euro modules is huge! > > buy many doepfer modules and also other euro modules too, for some exotic options. > > thanks, > best regards, > Bakis. > > > > > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist > > [Doepfer_a100] group owner > > www. parallel - worlds - music. com > > www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic > > www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic > > www. myspace. com/ memorygeist > > www. DiN. org. uk > > www. musicamaximamagnetica. com > > www. vu-us. com > > --- On Mon, 4/12/10, andreashaun2000 <andreashaun2000@...> wrote: > > From: andreashaun2000 <andreashaun2000@...> > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] i have 8K euros for a moduler system. what to buy > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 12:00 AM > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > hi folks, > > > > i've sold a house and now i've 8K euros for modular system. > > > > 1. should i buy a 3He system or 5 He (i love to experiment) > > 2. doepfer soley or other modules > > 3. monstercases or low cost variants > > > > thank you for your advice > > andreas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2010-04-12 by Guy
You're asking Bakis what modules he has ??! º_º Do you have some spare time ? :-) My advice - as a long term modular user : don't spend the 8k at once on a monster base *and* a 9er *and* a 6er, and fill it out with modules... Rather, start with a modest 6-case (perhaps even a Starter kit), and see if you like it. Like the sound, the way it works, etc... That way, if it doesn't befit you, you're not going to lose too much (don't forget: used modules, even if brand-new, usually go for 75% of their new-price)... Also, try to get your hands on an "East-coast" system too. A Buchla or Serge... and see if that would suit you more. _g --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "andreashaun2000" <andreashaun2000@...> wrote:
> > hi bakis, > > yes ... i like to experiment with lots of modules. i think the 3u format will be my format. what modules do you have and wich modules are esentiell for experimenting? > > first i'll buy a monster base and then a 9er and 6er for the top > > cheers > andreas > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@> wrote: > > > > hi Andreas, > > > > buy a monster or portable a100P9 cases. > > i have two and they are great. > > i prefer them to the low cost cases (IMHO), but the low cost cases are also fine... > > > > 3U or 5U format? > > > > is that your question? > > > > if you love experimenting, then definitely 3U. > > Â the range of wierd euro modules is huge! > > > > buy many doepfer modules and also other euro modules too, for some exotic options. > > > > thanks, > > best regards, > > Bakis. > > > > > > > > > > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist > > > > [Doepfer_a100] group owner > > > > www. parallel - worlds - music. com > > > > www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic > > > > www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic > > > > www. myspace. com/ memorygeist > > > > www. DiN. org. uk > > > > www. musicamaximamagnetica. com > > > > www. vu-us. com > > > > --- On Mon, 4/12/10, andreashaun2000 <andreashaun2000@> wrote: > > > > From: andreashaun2000 <andreashaun2000@> > > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] i have 8K euros for a moduler system. what to buy > > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 12:00 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi folks, > > > > > > > > i've sold a house and now i've 8K euros for modular system. > > > > > > > > 1. should i buy a 3He system or 5 He (i love to experiment) > > > > 2. doepfer soley or other modules > > > > 3. monstercases or low cost variants > > > > > > > > thank you for your advice > > > > andreas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >
2010-04-12 by andreashaun2000
hi, i only want to know what are the kernel modules are for experimenting. i tried some rack planner but i'm lost to deceide the right modules for filling at first a monsterbase p.e. i want a seq, multiples, attenuators vca's filter's etc. but i cant find a beginning.
2010-04-12 by Guy
Do yourself a favour, and don't start trying to fill a Monster case. Dieter will not be angry with you. First tell us (as suggested before) what kind of music you want to make (or make), what [you think] your goal is in terms of timbre, rhythm, genre, etc... A "classical" synth flow mostly goes like this : - sound source (VCO, Noise) -> filter -> VCA -> out - modulation sources (LFO, S/H, ENV) to shape the pitch, the timbre, and the loudness - possibly also trigger/gate sources (Keyboard, Sequencer, etc) But a modular system encourages you to step off that beaten path, and experiment. Though first you need to decide what your goals are (yeah, it's a recursive thing)... _g --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "andreashaun2000" <andreashaun2000@...> wrote:
> > hi, > > i only want to know what are the kernel modules are for experimenting. i tried some rack planner but i'm lost to deceide the right modules for filling at first a monsterbase p.e. > > i want a seq, multiples, attenuators vca's filter's etc. > > but i cant find a beginning. >
2010-04-12 by Bakis Sirros
i would not encourage him to start with an 'expensive' modular, right from the start... IMHO, he should first start with a nice euro set-up (9U at least, or more, to get a taste of the Real power that a nice euro system has these days!) and then add a few Serge panels! :-) Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist [Doepfer_a100] group owner www. parallel - worlds - music. com www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic www. myspace. com/ memorygeist www. DiN. org. uk www. musicamaximamagnetica. com www. vu-us. com --- On Mon, 4/12/10, Guy <guy@guyd2.com> wrote:
From: Guy <guy@guyd2.com>
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: i have 8K euros for a moduler system. what to buy
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 11:52 AM
Do yourself a favour, and don't start trying to fill a Monster case.
Dieter will not be angry with you.
First tell us (as suggested before) what kind of music you want to make (or make), what [you think] your goal is in terms of timbre, rhythm, genre, etc...
A "classical" synth flow mostly goes like this :
- sound source (VCO, Noise) -> filter -> VCA -> out
- modulation sources (LFO, S/H, ENV) to shape the pitch, the timbre, and the loudness
- possibly also trigger/gate sources (Keyboard, Sequencer, etc)
But a modular system encourages you to step off that beaten path, and experiment. Though first you need to decide what your goals are (yeah, it's a recursive thing)...
_g
--- In Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com, "andreashaun2000" <andreashaun2000@ ...> wrote:
>
> hi,
>
> i only want to know what are the kernel modules are for experimenting. i tried some rack planner but i'm lost to deceide the right modules for filling at first a monsterbase p.e.
>
> i want a seq, multiples, attenuators vca's filter's etc.
>
> but i cant find a beginning.
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2010-04-12 by York Luethje
As Richard Scott and Guy said, your original question is difficult to answer. You sound like a guy who says: 'I want to move!' but fails to specify whether he wants to go from Park Slope to the Village, from Westchester to Midtown, from New York to Washington, from the East- to the West-Coast, from LA to Hongkong etc. Each leg would require a different approach. Same with music. You have plenty of alternatives. PD and CSound are free, SuperCollider, Reaktor and Max/MSP are cheap and the Kyma system is not inexpensive but really great. Each and every one of these will give you sonic power comparable to a modular system (and then some). Plus you'd have money to blow on booze, hookers or Amnesty International. I got into Eurorack purely by accident. I was interested in the Mixturtrautonium' and the Doepfer system offered a way to emulate that. So what's your approach? _____ Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von andreashaun2000 Gesendet: Montag, 12. April 2010 04:44 An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] Re: i have 8K euros for a moduler system. what to buy hi, i only want to know what are the kernel modules are for experimenting. i tried some rack planner but i'm lost to deceide the right modules for filling at first a monsterbase p.e. i want a seq, multiples, attenuators vca's filter's etc. but i cant find a beginning. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-04-12 by Denis Gökdag
Hehe :-) Well to put the madness into your head a little more: a modular patched INTO a Kyma will be *very* cool.... 5k for a Kyma would still leave 3 for a very nice selection of Doepfer and others. > PD and CSound are free, SuperCollider, > Reaktor and Max/MSP are cheap and the Kyma system is not inexpensive > but > really great. Each and every one of these will give you sonic power > comparable to a modular system (and then some). Plus you'd have > money to > blow on booze, hookers or Amnesty International. > > I'd skip on one of the three but am not sure WHICH ;-) Best, Denis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-04-12 by York Luethje
And now you are beginning to realise that 8k are merely your entrance fee. Have you mortgaged your firstborn yet? _____ Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von Denis Gökdag Gesendet: Montag, 12. April 2010 05:42 An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com Betreff: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: i have 8K euros for a moduler system. what to buy Hehe :-) Well to put the madness into your head a little more: a modular patched INTO a Kyma will be *very* cool.... 5k for a Kyma would still leave 3 for a very nice selection of Doepfer and others. > PD and CSound are free, SuperCollider, > Reaktor and Max/MSP are cheap and the Kyma system is not inexpensive > but > really great. Each and every one of these will give you sonic power > comparable to a modular system (and then some). Plus you'd have > money to > blow on booze, hookers or Amnesty International. > > I'd skip on one of the three but am not sure WHICH ;-) Best, Denis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-04-12 by Denis Gökdag
You can easily spend 8k on cabling alone :-) Actually my Pacarana arrived today and is now sitting on top of my Capybara *without* any mortgages. The good thing, and at the same time the DANGEROUS thing, about euro- rack stuff is that you can toss a �100 at it every now and then, eventually spending crazy amounts in total, but never realizing it. After all, it's *just* a hundred.... (and a hundred, and a hundred, and a hundred...). Pretty much like drugs, these modules. Just more addictive. And they last longer LOL Denis On Apr 12, 2010, at 11:48 AM, York Luethje wrote: > And now you are beginning to realise that 8k are merely your > entrance fee. > Have you mortgaged your firstborn yet? > > _ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-04-12 by berniedankman2
Andreas I second what bakis wrote. Go with a monster case a 9u or a diy case and go euro. As for experimental modules out side the box I say Make Noise makes good modules. as Doepfer for makes the best utilities. I have maybe 60% doepfer 15% bubblesound ,10% make noise, 5% live wirs. thats how my case is set up. bubblesound has a ulfo that is awesome for lfo duties or for a vco. make noise qmmg and maths is a must and doepfer vcos are great for low cost. not to mention the 140 and 141 adsrs 140 for simple egs and 141 for vcadsr is great. now for sequencers i recommend the doepfer 154/154 combo for tons of flexablility and options. i recomend them highly. any more questions feel free to msg me. or check out muffwiggler for more euro module opinions. have a great time getting into modulars. welcome. Droctave Wade http://www.youtube.com/user/DrOctave1?feature=mhw5 --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "andreashaun2000" <andreashaun2000@...> wrote:
> > hi bakis, > > yes ... i like to experiment with lots of modules. i think the 3u format will be my format. what modules do you have and wich modules are esentiell for experimenting? > > first i'll buy a monster base and then a 9er and 6er for the top > > cheers > andreas > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@> wrote: > > > > hi Andreas, > > > > buy a monster or portable a100P9 cases. > > i have two and they are great. > > i prefer them to the low cost cases (IMHO), but the low cost cases are also fine... > > > > 3U or 5U format? > > > > is that your question? > > > > if you love experimenting, then definitely 3U. > > Â the range of wierd euro modules is huge! > > > > buy many doepfer modules and also other euro modules too, for some exotic options. > > > > thanks, > > best regards, > > Bakis. > > > > > > > > > > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist > > > > [Doepfer_a100] group owner > > > > www. parallel - worlds - music. com > > > > www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic > > > > www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic > > > > www. myspace. com/ memorygeist > > > > www. DiN. org. uk > > > > www. musicamaximamagnetica. com > > > > www. vu-us. com > > > > --- On Mon, 4/12/10, andreashaun2000 <andreashaun2000@> wrote: > > > > From: andreashaun2000 <andreashaun2000@> > > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] i have 8K euros for a moduler system. what to buy > > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 12:00 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi folks, > > > > > > > > i've sold a house and now i've 8K euros for modular system. > > > > > > > > 1. should i buy a 3He system or 5 He (i love to experiment) > > > > 2. doepfer soley or other modules > > > > 3. monstercases or low cost variants > > > > > > > > thank you for your advice > > > > andreas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >
2010-04-12 by achtung_999
The good thing, and at the same time the DANGEROUS thing, about euro- > rack stuff is that you can toss a �100 at it every now and then, > eventually spending crazy amounts in total, but never realizing it. > After all, it's *just* a hundred.... (and a hundred, and a hundred, > and a hundred...). > > Pretty much like drugs, these modules. Just more addictive. And they > last longer LOL > > LOL! sounds so familiar ;-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-04-12 by achtung_999
My 2 cents: Buy plenty of VCAs!!!! On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:10 PM, achtung_999 < heinrich.himmelwasser@gmail.com> wrote: > > > The good thing, and at the same time the DANGEROUS thing, about euro- >> rack stuff is that you can toss a �100 at it every now and then, >> eventually spending crazy amounts in total, but never realizing it. >> After all, it's *just* a hundred.... (and a hundred, and a hundred, >> and a hundred...). >> >> Pretty much like drugs, these modules. Just more addictive. And they >> last longer LOL >> >> > LOL! sounds so familiar ;-) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-04-13 by andreashaun2000
hi, where can i buy a buchla for 8k?
2010-04-13 by andreashaun2000
hi, i like selfmoving patterns like the ppl arabesque from boobtube
2010-04-13 by andreashaun2000
this kyma thing is very interesting. did this software give us oscilators and control structures like in a modular system or is everything sample based?
2010-04-13 by Richard Scott
You can buy a very small one from Buchla and Associates. there are some interesting threads about which modules are appropriate for very small buchla systems on the Muffwigglers forum. Richard
On 4/13/10 10:01 PM, andreashaun2000 wrote: > > > hi, > > where can i buy a buchla for 8k? > >
2010-04-13 by achtung_999
No kyma has oscillators too. I worked with it several years ago when studying electronic music. It's nice. But to be honest I think it's still software. And let's face it more and more is possible with native computer processing. To me the kyma system is becoming more and more obsolete because of this. I used to love Kyma for its spectral processing which was at that time not really possible with most native running software. Nowadays it is... And be ready to learn some Small Talk programming cause you'll need it. It is far removed from patching leads into modules... Another thing that annoyed me a lot about Kyma was that it was almost impossible (at that time) to start with a clean slate. You always had to adapt an already existing environement.. I don't know if that has changed but... Again I have not used it in years.. But I doubt it has changed a lot. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:06 PM, andreashaun2000 <andreashaun2000@yahoo.de>wrote: > > > this kyma thing is very interesting. did this software give us oscilators > and control structures like in a modular system or is everything sample > based? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-04-13 by dustin sedlacek
Look at the http://www.malekkoheavyindustry.com/index.php stuff and spend some time on http://www.muffwiggler.com/ to get the best perspective on things. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]