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DIY Doepfer Synth | first panel

2010-06-30 by Guy

Hi,

Here's a few photos of my Doepfer DIY panel, Serge-style.

It's a two-module panel, but only one DIY module is wired up for now.
I've added a AC-coupled audio mixer (CGS04), a DC mixer (CGS04), Manual Gate and Voltage Source.

As can be seen, there's no decent casing yet... that always comes last. :-)

It works well, but I still need to tweak a few values here and there... Linear FM is "to deep", VCA goes to overdrive when fully AM'ed (though with a nicely, tubey sounding distortion), and I'm not very happy with the way the Slew Limiter works. Lopass cutoff has a bit of a "knee" in the higher frequencies, though I reckon there's nothing I can do about that.

But overall it sounds very nice. Warm & tender, or gritty & brutal.

Can't wait to see what Dieter is going to come up with for the expansion module...


http://www.guyd2.com/stuff/DoepfDiy_front.jpg
http://www.guyd2.com/stuff/DoepfDiy_detail.jpg
http://www.guyd2.com/stuff/DoepfDiy_wired.jpg

Wiring is a bit messy, but that's hard to avoid with IDC connectors. Fortunately there's no crosstalk or bleedthrough though.


cheers,
_guy

Re: DIY Doepfer Synth | first panel

2010-06-30 by Guy

All my panels are laser-cut 2mm alu.
At first I wanted to go with laser-etching as well (which looks really awesome), but that turned out to be too expensive. So now I use Quick-Laser sheets, which is a laser-printable adhesive foil of some sorts, covered with a semi-glossy laminate. It looks quite neat (sharper and denser than silk-screening), but it's a bit of PITA to apply.

My panels sit on custom-made rails, and are housed in industrially lacquered, wooden boats.

_g


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Florian Anwander <fanwander@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi Guy
> 
> schrieb:
> > Hi,
> > Here's a few photos of my Doepfer DIY panel, Serge-style.
> Wow! That looks cool. How did you make the panel?
> 
> Florian
>

Re: [Doepfer_a100] DIY Doepfer Synth | first panel

2010-06-30 by Richard Scott

Wow! that is deeply impressive!!!

Richard
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On 6/30/10 2:19 PM, Guy wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Here's a few photos of my Doepfer DIY panel, Serge-style.
>
> It's a two-module panel, but only one DIY module is wired up for now.
> I've added a AC-coupled audio mixer (CGS04), a DC mixer (CGS04), Manual
> Gate and Voltage Source.
>
> As can be seen, there's no decent casing yet... that always comes last. :-)
>
> It works well, but I still need to tweak a few values here and there...
> Linear FM is "to deep", VCA goes to overdrive when fully AM'ed (though
> with a nicely, tubey sounding distortion), and I'm not very happy with
> the way the Slew Limiter works. Lopass cutoff has a bit of a "knee" in
> the higher frequencies, though I reckon there's nothing I can do about that.
>
> But overall it sounds very nice. Warm & tender, or gritty & brutal.
>
> Can't wait to see what Dieter is going to come up with for the expansion
> module...
>
> http://www.guyd2.com/stuff/DoepfDiy_front.jpg
> http://www.guyd2.com/stuff/DoepfDiy_detail.jpg
> http://www.guyd2.com/stuff/DoepfDiy_wired.jpg
>
> Wiring is a bit messy, but that's hard to avoid with IDC connectors.
> Fortunately there's no crosstalk or bleedthrough though.
>
> cheers,
> _guy
>
>

RE: [Doepfer_a100] DIY Doepfer Synth | first panel

2010-06-30 by david.salter@thomsonreuters.com

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To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] DIY Doepfer Synth | first panel

 

  

Hi,

Here's a few photos of my Doepfer DIY panel, Serge-style.

It's a two-module panel, but only one DIY module is wired up for now.
I've added a AC-coupled audio mixer (CGS04), a DC mixer (CGS04), Manual
Gate and Voltage Source.

As can be seen, there's no decent casing yet... that always comes last.
:-)

It works well, but I still need to tweak a few values here and there...
Linear FM is "to deep", VCA goes to overdrive when fully AM'ed (though
with a nicely, tubey sounding distortion), and I'm not very happy with
the way the Slew Limiter works. Lopass cutoff has a bit of a "knee" in
the higher frequencies, though I reckon there's nothing I can do about
that.

But overall it sounds very nice. Warm & tender, or gritty & brutal.

Can't wait to see what Dieter is going to come up with for the expansion
module...

http://www.guyd2.com/stuff/DoepfDiy_front.jpg
http://www.guyd2.com/stuff/DoepfDiy_detail.jpg
http://www.guyd2.com/stuff/DoepfDiy_wired.jpg

Wiring is a bit messy, but that's hard to avoid with IDC connectors.
Fortunately there's no crosstalk or bleedthrough though.

cheers,
_guy





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AW: [Doepfer_a100] DIY Doepfer Synth | first panel

2010-06-30 by yahoo@doepfer.de

Hello Guy,

totally impressive work !

You find my comments written inline.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

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Doepfer Musikelektronik GmbH
based in Graefelfing/Germany
registered in Munich/Germany, commercial registry HRB 97 399
CEO's: Sibille Heller, Dieter Doepfer
European VAT ID No. DE129329318
website: www.doepfer.com
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von Guy
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. Juni 2010 14:20
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] DIY Doepfer Synth | first panel
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Here's a few photos of my Doepfer DIY panel, Serge-style.
>
> It's a two-module panel, but only one DIY module is wired up for now.
> I've added a AC-coupled audio mixer (CGS04), a DC mixer (CGS04),
> Manual Gate and Voltage Source.
>
> As can be seen, there's no decent casing yet... that always comes
> last. :-)
>
> It works well, but I still need to tweak a few values here and
> there... Linear FM is "to deep", VCA goes to overdrive when fully
> AM'ed (though with a nicely, tubey sounding distortion)

it should be no problem to adjust the behaviour of the linear FM and the VCA
by changing the values of some resistors. You simply have to add a seriel
resistor at the corresponding CV input to reduce the sensitivity (or use the
summing input with another resistor value).

> not very happy with the way the Slew Limiter works.

I'm surprised to hear that. The slew limiter works like all slew limiters,
nothing but a capacitor buffered by an operational amplifier that is charged
via a variable resistor (potentiometer with logarithmic scale in the range
1M...5M recommended). It's exactly the same curcuit as for the upper unit of
the A-170.

> Lopass cutoff has a bit of a "knee" in the higher frequencies, though I
reckon
> there's nothing I can do about that.

Right. The 12dB VCF is made simply with two VCAs of the SSM2164. There is
not much that can be changed. Only the quad opamp right from the SSM2164
(TL074) could be replaced by another compatible opamp with different
frequency response.

> But overall it sounds very nice. Warm & tender, or gritty & brutal.

Thank's. I like the high pass very much (with moderate resonance).

> Can't wait to see what Dieter is going to come up with for the
> expansion module...

in any case noise, random voltage, ring modulator, S&H, VCLFO with reset
will be included. But we also think about other additions (24dB low pass,
BBD, wave shaper ...)
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> http://www.guyd2.com/stuff/DoepfDiy_detail.jpg
> http://www.guyd2.com/stuff/DoepfDiy_wired.jpg
>
> Wiring is a bit messy, but that's hard to avoid with IDC
> connectors. Fortunately there's no crosstalk or bleedthrough though.
>
>
> cheers,
> _guy
>
>
>
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Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] DIY Doepfer Synth | first panel

2010-06-30 by Guy Drieghe D.

> 
> totally impressive work !

Thanks, Dieter !
Coming from you, that's one hell of a compliment.
But hey... thanks for the compliments from the other people as well!  A pat on the back is always appreciated. :-)

> You find my comments written inline.

Mine too. º_º


> > It works well, but I still need to tweak a few values here and
> > there... Linear FM is "to deep", VCA goes to overdrive when fully
> > AM'ed (though with a nicely, tubey sounding distortion)
> 
> it should be no problem to adjust the behaviour of the linear FM and the VCA
> by changing the values of some resistors. You simply have to add a seriel
> resistor at the corresponding CV input to reduce the sensitivity (or use the
> summing input with another resistor value).

That was the plan, yes.
The VCA Am inputs  will be easy. For the Lin FM I'd probably have to try a bit harder.


> > not very happy with the way the Slew Limiter works.
> 
> I'm surprised to hear that. The slew limiter works like all slew limiters,
> nothing but a capacitor buffered by an operational amplifier that is charged
> via a variable resistor (potentiometer with logarithmic scale in the range
> 1M...5M recommended). It's exactly the same curcuit as for the upper unit of
> the A-170.

I used a 1M Audio. Might try a higher value...

> 
> > Lopass cutoff has a bit of a "knee" in the higher frequencies, though I
> reckon
> > there's nothing I can do about that.
> 
> Right. The 12dB VCF is made simply with two VCAs of the SSM2164. There is
> not much that can be changed. Only the quad opamp right from the SSM2164
> (TL074) could be replaced by another compatible opamp with different
> frequency response.

I could try one of the hi-end OPA's, but I reckon it won't make that much of a difference. Probably not worth going for... The knee is only audible under manual control, so as long as one knows this (especially for live situations), it's okay to live with it. This little "deficiency" gets easily compensated by the filter's overall quality and sound. Highly impressive, given that you've accomplished this with such limited means. :-)

> > But overall it sounds very nice. Warm & tender, or gritty & brutal.
> 
> Thank's. I like the high pass very much (with moderate resonance).

I agree. The HP is as good as they come.
I'll be having two VCF's in this panel, which will give for some nice LP -> HP Korg MS20'ness...


> > Can't wait to see what Dieter is going to come up with for the
> > expansion module...
> 
> in any case noise, random voltage, ring modulator, S&H, VCLFO with reset
> will be included. But we also think about other additions (24dB low pass,
> BBD, wave shaper ...)

All the classics then... :-)
I'd prefer more wave-shaping/multiplying over an additional oh-no-not-again! LP filter.
And extended VCLFO, preferably with PW/M, would be very cool, yes.
Some easy little stuff like Boolean logic, comparators & Schmitt Triggers would be welcome too.
Or replace 70% of all of the above with one VC Slope generator :-)



Thanks for making this possible, Dieter.

_g

AW: AW: [Doepfer_a100] DIY Doepfer Synth | first panel

2010-06-30 by yahoo@doepfer.de

Again: my comments are written inline.

Dieter


> That was the plan, yes.
> The VCA Am inputs  will be easy. For the Lin FM I'd probably have to try a
bit harder.

The serial resistor for the linear FM input is 100k (R11 leading from the
VCO lin FM input to the summing node for the linear FM). If you add e.g.
another 100k resistor the sensitivity is half as much as before.

> > > not very happy with the way the Slew Limiter works.
> > I'm surprised to hear that. The slew limiter works like all slew
limiters,
> > nothing but a capacitor buffered by an operational amplifier that is
charged
> > via a variable resistor (potentiometer with logarithmic scale in the
range
> > 1M...5M recommended). It's exactly the same curcuit as for the upper
unit of
> > the A-170.
>
> I used a 1M Audio. Might try a higher value...

You may even increase the value of the slew capacitor which is only 220nF
(C21 on the top right edge of the pcb). You may solder e.g. a electrolytic
capacitor (1u...10u) in parallel to C21 to increase the max. slew time. The
right pin of C21 is GND (i.e. the minus pole for an electrolytic capacitor)

> All the classics then... :-)
> I'd prefer more wave-shaping/multiplying over an additional
> oh-no-not-again! LP filter.
> And extended VCLFO, preferably with PW/M, would be very cool, yes.
> Some easy little stuff like Boolean logic, comparators & Schmitt
> Triggers would be welcome too.
> Or replace 70% of all of the above with one VC Slope generator :-)

Yes, we are working on a VC slope generator too (even as an A-100 module).
Maybe we could add it to the expansion board.

Re: AW: AW: [Doepfer_a100] DIY Doepfer Synth | first panel

2010-06-30 by Bakis Sirros

VC slope generator module!

great news for the A100!


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist

[Doepfer_a100] group owner

www. parallel - worlds - music. com

www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic

www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic

www. myspace. com/ memorygeist

www. DiN. org. uk

www. musicamaximamagnetica. com

www. vu-us. com

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To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 5:32 PM







 



  


    
      
      
      Again: my comments are written inline.



Dieter



> That was the plan, yes.

> The VCA Am inputs  will be easy. For the Lin FM I'd probably have to try a

bit harder.



The serial resistor for the linear FM input is 100k (R11 leading from the

VCO lin FM input to the summing node for the linear FM). If you add e.g.

another 100k resistor the sensitivity is half as much as before.



> > > not very happy with the way the Slew Limiter works.

> > I'm surprised to hear that. The slew limiter works like all slew

limiters,

> > nothing but a capacitor buffered by an operational amplifier that is

charged

> > via a variable resistor (potentiometer with logarithmic scale in the

range

> > 1M...5M recommended). It's exactly the same curcuit as for the upper

unit of

> > the A-170.

>

> I used a 1M Audio. Might try a higher value...



You may even increase the value of the slew capacitor which is only 220nF

(C21 on the top right edge of the pcb). You may solder e.g. a electrolytic

capacitor (1u...10u) in parallel to C21 to increase the max. slew time. The

right pin of C21 is GND (i.e. the minus pole for an electrolytic capacitor)



> All the classics then... :-)

> I'd prefer more wave-shaping/multiplying over an additional

> oh-no-not-again! LP filter.

> And extended VCLFO, preferably with PW/M, would be very cool, yes.

> Some easy little stuff like Boolean logic, comparators & Schmitt

> Triggers would be welcome too.

> Or replace 70% of all of the above with one VC Slope generator :-)



Yes, we are working on a VC slope generator too (even as an A-100 module).

Maybe we could add it to the expansion board.





    
     

    
    


 



  






      

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] DIY Doepfer Synth | first panel

2010-06-30 by Bakis Sirros

really fine work! well done!

Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist

[Doepfer_a100] group owner

www. parallel - worlds - music. com

www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic

www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic

www. myspace. com/ memorygeist

www. DiN. org. uk

www. musicamaximamagnetica. com

www. vu-us. com

--- On Wed, 6/30/10, Guy <guy@guyd2.com> wrote:
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To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 3:19 PM







 



  


    
      
      
      Hi,



Here's a few photos of my Doepfer DIY panel, Serge-style.



It's a two-module panel, but only one DIY module is wired up for now.

I've added a AC-coupled audio mixer (CGS04), a DC mixer (CGS04), Manual Gate and Voltage Source.



As can be seen, there's no decent casing yet... that always comes last. :-)



It works well, but I still need to tweak a few values here and there... Linear FM is "to deep", VCA goes to overdrive when fully AM'ed (though with a nicely, tubey sounding distortion), and I'm not very happy with the way the Slew Limiter works. Lopass cutoff has a bit of a "knee" in the higher frequencies, though I reckon there's nothing I can do about that.



But overall it sounds very nice. Warm & tender, or gritty & brutal.



Can't wait to see what Dieter is going to come up with for the expansion module...



http://www.guyd2.com/stuff/DoepfDiy_front.jpg

http://www.guyd2.com/stuff/DoepfDiy_detail.jpg

http://www.guyd2.com/stuff/DoepfDiy_wired.jpg



Wiring is a bit messy, but that's hard to avoid with IDC connectors. Fortunately there's no crosstalk or bleedthrough though.



cheers,

_guy





    
     

    
    


 



  






      

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Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] DIY Doepfer Synth | first panel

2010-06-30 by achtung_999

Totally impressive work Guy!
Looks really neat! And so in style ;-)

And wait did Dieter say SLOPE GENERATORS? and also in module form??!?!
Totally into that. Recently worked with the Serge slope generators and I
loved it.


Ernst






On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 4:32 PM, <yahoo@doepfer.de> wrote:

>
>
> Again: my comments are written inline.
>
> Dieter
>
>
> > That was the plan, yes.
> > The VCA Am inputs will be easy. For the Lin FM I'd probably have to try a
> bit harder.
>
> The serial resistor for the linear FM input is 100k (R11 leading from the
> VCO lin FM input to the summing node for the linear FM). If you add e.g.
> another 100k resistor the sensitivity is half as much as before.
>
>
> > > > not very happy with the way the Slew Limiter works.
> > > I'm surprised to hear that. The slew limiter works like all slew
> limiters,
> > > nothing but a capacitor buffered by an operational amplifier that is
> charged
> > > via a variable resistor (potentiometer with logarithmic scale in the
> range
> > > 1M...5M recommended). It's exactly the same curcuit as for the upper
> unit of
> > > the A-170.
> >
> > I used a 1M Audio. Might try a higher value...
>
> You may even increase the value of the slew capacitor which is only 220nF
> (C21 on the top right edge of the pcb). You may solder e.g. a electrolytic
> capacitor (1u...10u) in parallel to C21 to increase the max. slew time. The
> right pin of C21 is GND (i.e. the minus pole for an electrolytic capacitor)
>
>
> > All the classics then... :-)
> > I'd prefer more wave-shaping/multiplying over an additional
> > oh-no-not-again! LP filter.
> > And extended VCLFO, preferably with PW/M, would be very cool, yes.
> > Some easy little stuff like Boolean logic, comparators & Schmitt
> > Triggers would be welcome too.
> > Or replace 70% of all of the above with one VC Slope generator :-)
>
> Yes, we are working on a VC slope generator too (even as an A-100 module).
> Maybe we could add it to the expansion board.
>
>  
>


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AW: AW: AW: [Doepfer_a100] DIY Doepfer Synth | first panel

2010-06-30 by yahoo@doepfer.de

> VC slope generator module!
> 
> great news for the A100!

Yes, but there are some other modules/projects with higher priority that have to be finished earlier. The CV slope will be released probably not before end of 2010 (if at all).

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

Re: DIY Doepfer Synth | first panel

2010-06-30 by Synthomaniac

Looking very good - don't worry too much about neat wiring as nice looming can lead to crosstalk (in my experience) - good skills Guy.

Best wishes 
Tony
--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Guy" <guy@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi,
> 
> Here's a few photos of my Doepfer DIY panel, Serge-style.
> 
> It's a two-module panel, but only one DIY module is wired up for now.
> I've added a AC-coupled audio mixer (CGS04), a DC mixer (CGS04), Manual Gate and Voltage Source.
> 
> As can be seen, there's no decent casing yet... that always comes last. :-)
> 
> It works well, but I still need to tweak a few values here and there... Linear FM is "to deep", VCA goes to overdrive when fully AM'ed (though with a nicely, tubey sounding distortion), and I'm not very happy with the way the Slew Limiter works. Lopass cutoff has a bit of a "knee" in the higher frequencies, though I reckon there's nothing I can do about that.
> 
> But overall it sounds very nice. Warm & tender, or gritty & brutal.
> 
> Can't wait to see what Dieter is going to come up with for the expansion module...
> 
> 
> http://www.guyd2.com/stuff/DoepfDiy_front.jpg
> http://www.guyd2.com/stuff/DoepfDiy_detail.jpg
> http://www.guyd2.com/stuff/DoepfDiy_wired.jpg
> 
> Wiring is a bit messy, but that's hard to avoid with IDC connectors. Fortunately there's no crosstalk or bleedthrough though.
> 
> 
> cheers,
> _guy
>

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