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2011-02-11 by Sidney
Hello. I am very interested about the possibilities of the A-190-5 Polyphonic Midi-to-CV/Gate Interface. Does anybody knows if four oscillators controlled by one Midi channel, could be connected to a A-138 B mixer module and this output connected to a single filter and ADSR envelope to make a complete polyphonic system? Or would I need a filter and adsr and vca per voice? Thanks, Sidney.
2011-02-11 by Florian Anwander
Hi Sidney > Hello. I am very interested about the possibilities of the A-190-5 Polyphonic Midi-to-CV/Gate Interface. Does anybody knows if four oscillators controlled by one Midi channel, could be connected to a A-138 B mixer module and this output connected to a single filter and ADSR envelope to make a complete polyphonic system? Or would I need a filter and adsr and vca per voice? beside the fact, that it is not very clear how the real A190-5 will look like. You can use both combinations. The one you are describing is in fact how the Korg Monopoly works. Florian
2011-02-11 by Sidney
Hi Monroe. In fact I was looking for something similar to what Florian explained, working like a Korg Mono-Poly, because I could use the filters, VCA and ADSR modules from my system, just needing to add more oscillators in order to achieve a polyphonic system. Anyway, both ways explained by you and Florian would make a fantastic polyphonic system. But can two or more 111-5's filters or envelopes be synced in some way, so for example if I make a filter movement on one of the 111-5 will the others follow? --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@...> wrote:
> > If you want to control the volume of each note independently you need one > VCA and one ADSR for each voice. You can get away with one filter at the > end, but usually there is a filter in each voice. > > I would recommend 4 A111-5 modules. That's all you need. > > Monroe > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Sidney <sidney_honi@...> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello. I am very interested about the possibilities of the A-190-5 > > Polyphonic Midi-to-CV/Gate Interface. Does anybody knows if four oscillators > > controlled by one Midi channel, could be connected to a A-138 B mixer module > > and this output connected to a single filter and ADSR envelope to make a > > complete polyphonic system? Or would I need a filter and adsr and vca per > > voice? > > > > Thanks, > > Sidney. > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2011-02-11 by Monroe Eskew
If you want to control the volume of each note independently you need one VCA and one ADSR for each voice. You can get away with one filter at the end, but usually there is a filter in each voice. I would recommend 4 A111-5 modules. That's all you need. Monroe On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Sidney <sidney_honi@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Hello. I am very interested about the possibilities of the A-190-5 > Polyphonic Midi-to-CV/Gate Interface. Does anybody knows if four oscillators > controlled by one Midi channel, could be connected to a A-138 B mixer module > and this output connected to a single filter and ADSR envelope to make a > complete polyphonic system? Or would I need a filter and adsr and vca per > voice? > > Thanks, > Sidney. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2011-02-11 by Florian Anwander
Hi Sidney > In fact I was looking for something similar to what Florian explained, working like a Korg Mono-Poly, because I could use the filters, VCA and ADSR modules from my system, just needing to add more oscillators in order to achieve a polyphonic system. It is not only the VCOs. You also need at least four VC-Switches, which are controlled by the individual Gates, and which switch the VCOs on and of (you sometimes want to play one or two notes only with a four voice synth ;-) ). How to create a Gate for the final VCF/VCA Envelopes is another thing. If you want it not retriggering, it is easy to achieve with an A186-1. But if you want retriggering you also need two A165. Florian
2011-02-12 by Monroe Eskew
The most direct way would be to control them from a common signal. Use a multiple to split the gate or filter modulation source. However, if you want to attack several notes independently, like how one plays a piano, then you need one VCA and envelope for each VCO. If you don't do this, then you aren't playing "polyphony," it's actually called "homophony." Monroe On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Sidney <sidney_honi@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Hi Monroe. > > In fact I was looking for something similar to what Florian explained, > working like a Korg Mono-Poly, because I could use the filters, VCA and ADSR > modules from my system, just needing to add more oscillators in order to > achieve a polyphonic system. > > Anyway, both ways explained by you and Florian would make a fantastic > polyphonic system. > > But can two or more 111-5's filters or envelopes be synced in some way, so > for example if I make a filter movement on one of the 111-5 will the others > follow? > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@...> > wrote: > > > > If you want to control the volume of each note independently you need one > > VCA and one ADSR for each voice. You can get away with one filter at the > > end, but usually there is a filter in each voice. > > > > I would recommend 4 A111-5 modules. That's all you need. > > > > Monroe > > > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Sidney <sidney_honi@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hello. I am very interested about the possibilities of the A-190-5 > > > Polyphonic Midi-to-CV/Gate Interface. Does anybody knows if four > oscillators > > > controlled by one Midi channel, could be connected to a A-138 B mixer > module > > > and this output connected to a single filter and ADSR envelope to make > a > > > complete polyphonic system? Or would I need a filter and adsr and vca > per > > > voice? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Sidney. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2011-02-12 by Sidney
I wouldn't be playing polyphonic because the ADSR envelope would not be activated each time I touch a different note? Or maybe a new module similar to the A-143-2, with four inputs but only four knobs giving each voice the same envelope? Do you think that the A-190-5 Interface will be intended to control two or more 111-5 modules? If so, can their filters and envelopes be synced? Sorry if I misunderstood something. I am trying to understand the multiple module function. --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@...> wrote:
> > The most direct way would be to control them from a common signal. Use a > multiple to split the gate or filter modulation source. However, if you > want to attack several notes independently, like how one plays a piano, then > you need one VCA and envelope for each VCO. If you don't do this, then you > aren't playing "polyphony," it's actually called "homophony." > > Monroe > > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Sidney <sidney_honi@...> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Monroe. > > > > In fact I was looking for something similar to what Florian explained, > > working like a Korg Mono-Poly, because I could use the filters, VCA and ADSR > > modules from my system, just needing to add more oscillators in order to > > achieve a polyphonic system. > > > > Anyway, both ways explained by you and Florian would make a fantastic > > polyphonic system. > > > > But can two or more 111-5's filters or envelopes be synced in some way, so > > for example if I make a filter movement on one of the 111-5 will the others > > follow? > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@> > > wrote: > > > > > > If you want to control the volume of each note independently you need one > > > VCA and one ADSR for each voice. You can get away with one filter at the > > > end, but usually there is a filter in each voice. > > > > > > I would recommend 4 A111-5 modules. That's all you need. > > > > > > Monroe > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Sidney <sidney_honi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello. I am very interested about the possibilities of the A-190-5 > > > > Polyphonic Midi-to-CV/Gate Interface. Does anybody knows if four > > oscillators > > > > controlled by one Midi channel, could be connected to a A-138 B mixer > > module > > > > and this output connected to a single filter and ADSR envelope to make > > a > > > > complete polyphonic system? Or would I need a filter and adsr and vca > > per > > > > voice? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sidney. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2011-02-12 by Monroe Eskew
Two basic musical properties are rhythm and pitch. Polyphony is where there are several voices with independent pitch and rhythm. Homophony is where several voices have independent pitch but identical rhythm. Without independent volume control for each oscillator you cannot do true polyphony, for example sustain one note while another articulates many times. For that you'd need 1 vca to be open while another opens and closes as you play different notes. If you want the parameters on the filters and envelopes to have common controls, you would probably want a few A176 CV sources, mult'ed out to different VCFs and VCADSRs. You'd still need to carefully tune the manual controls on each one if you want it to sound the same on each voice. If you don't need common control but you want synced filters and envelopes, you will just need to tune the one for each voice to the same values, and retune each one if you want to change any parameter. I hope I'm making sense... On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Sidney <sidney_honi@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > I wouldn't be playing polyphonic because the ADSR envelope would not be > activated each time I touch a different note? Or maybe a new module similar > to the A-143-2, with four inputs but only four knobs giving each voice the > same envelope? > > Do you think that the A-190-5 Interface will be intended to control two or > more 111-5 modules? If so, can their filters and envelopes be synced? > > Sorry if I misunderstood something. I am trying to understand the multiple > module function. > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@...> > wrote: > > > > The most direct way would be to control them from a common signal. Use a > > multiple to split the gate or filter modulation source. However, if you > > want to attack several notes independently, like how one plays a piano, > then > > you need one VCA and envelope for each VCO. If you don't do this, then > you > > aren't playing "polyphony," it's actually called "homophony." > > > > Monroe > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Sidney <sidney_honi@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Monroe. > > > > > > In fact I was looking for something similar to what Florian explained, > > > working like a Korg Mono-Poly, because I could use the filters, VCA and > ADSR > > > modules from my system, just needing to add more oscillators in order > to > > > achieve a polyphonic system. > > > > > > Anyway, both ways explained by you and Florian would make a fantastic > > > polyphonic system. > > > > > > But can two or more 111-5's filters or envelopes be synced in some way, > so > > > for example if I make a filter movement on one of the 111-5 will the > others > > > follow? > > > > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > If you want to control the volume of each note independently you need > one > > > > VCA and one ADSR for each voice. You can get away with one filter at > the > > > > end, but usually there is a filter in each voice. > > > > > > > > I would recommend 4 A111-5 modules. That's all you need. > > > > > > > > Monroe > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Sidney <sidney_honi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello. I am very interested about the possibilities of the A-190-5 > > > > > Polyphonic Midi-to-CV/Gate Interface. Does anybody knows if four > > > oscillators > > > > > controlled by one Midi channel, could be connected to a A-138 B > mixer > > > module > > > > > and this output connected to a single filter and ADSR envelope to > make > > > a > > > > > complete polyphonic system? Or would I need a filter and adsr and > vca > > > per > > > > > voice? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Sidney. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2011-02-13 by Sidney
Hi Monroe. Yes, you explained very clear. I thought that a single VCA could control all four voices if they were sent to a voltage mixer. The problem is not the number of modules per voice, but a way to make changes to the attack, decay, sustain and release of each adsr module and vca acting the same way in real time. Like a A-143-2 with four gate inputs but just one ADSR row and a single output. Don't know if what I imagined makes sense... Anyway, hope the polyphonic interface come out soon. I will keep studying more. Thank you. --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@...> wrote:
> > Two basic musical properties are rhythm and pitch. Polyphony is where there > are several voices with independent pitch and rhythm. Homophony is where > several voices have independent pitch but identical rhythm. Without > independent volume control for each oscillator you cannot do true polyphony, > for example sustain one note while another articulates many times. For that > you'd need 1 vca to be open while another opens and closes as you play > different notes. > > If you want the parameters on the filters and envelopes to have common > controls, you would probably want a few A176 CV sources, mult'ed out to > different VCFs and VCADSRs. You'd still need to carefully tune the manual > controls on each one if you want it to sound the same on each voice. If you > don't need common control but you want synced filters and envelopes, you > will just need to tune the one for each voice to the same values, and retune > each one if you want to change any parameter. > > I hope I'm making sense... > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Sidney <sidney_honi@...> wrote: > > > > > > > I wouldn't be playing polyphonic because the ADSR envelope would not be > > activated each time I touch a different note? Or maybe a new module similar > > to the A-143-2, with four inputs but only four knobs giving each voice the > > same envelope? > > > > Do you think that the A-190-5 Interface will be intended to control two or > > more 111-5 modules? If so, can their filters and envelopes be synced? > > > > Sorry if I misunderstood something. I am trying to understand the multiple > > module function. > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@> > > wrote: > > > > > > The most direct way would be to control them from a common signal. Use a > > > multiple to split the gate or filter modulation source. However, if you > > > want to attack several notes independently, like how one plays a piano, > > then > > > you need one VCA and envelope for each VCO. If you don't do this, then > > you > > > aren't playing "polyphony," it's actually called "homophony." > > > > > > Monroe > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Sidney <sidney_honi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Monroe. > > > > > > > > In fact I was looking for something similar to what Florian explained, > > > > working like a Korg Mono-Poly, because I could use the filters, VCA and > > ADSR > > > > modules from my system, just needing to add more oscillators in order > > to > > > > achieve a polyphonic system. > > > > > > > > Anyway, both ways explained by you and Florian would make a fantastic > > > > polyphonic system. > > > > > > > > But can two or more 111-5's filters or envelopes be synced in some way, > > so > > > > for example if I make a filter movement on one of the 111-5 will the > > others > > > > follow? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If you want to control the volume of each note independently you need > > one > > > > > VCA and one ADSR for each voice. You can get away with one filter at > > the > > > > > end, but usually there is a filter in each voice. > > > > > > > > > > I would recommend 4 A111-5 modules. That's all you need. > > > > > > > > > > Monroe > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Sidney <sidney_honi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello. I am very interested about the possibilities of the A-190-5 > > > > > > Polyphonic Midi-to-CV/Gate Interface. Does anybody knows if four > > > > oscillators > > > > > > controlled by one Midi channel, could be connected to a A-138 B > > mixer > > > > module > > > > > > and this output connected to a single filter and ADSR envelope to > > make > > > > a > > > > > > complete polyphonic system? Or would I need a filter and adsr and > > vca > > > > per > > > > > > voice? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Sidney. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2011-02-13 by Monroe Eskew
I hope this is OK to say, but perhaps a different kind of synth would suit you. Polyphony can be achieved with a modular synthesizer, but it is expensive and a bit of a pain to set up. There are several polyphonic analog keyboard synths with exactly the kind of control you are looking for-- multiple full-fledged voices with common control over the parameters such as ADSRs and filters for each voice. They are engineered for real-time polyphonic playing so it is already set up in the way it needs to be and does not require the work that a modular does. It also does not take several huge cases to hold it together. In my opinion if you want to play polyphonic keyboards, this is a better route than modular which is better suited to monophonic playing and sequencing, and then recording and layering afterwords. As for which kind of synth to get, the Dave Smith Instruments Prophet 08 and Poly Evolver are still in production. You can also look to something vintage like Roland Juno 6. Also the Alesis Andromeda was recently discontinued but can still be found. I personally use an Ensoniq ESQ-1 for polyphonic performance which is a nice digital/analog hybrid and can be found for cheap. Best, Monroe On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Sidney <sidney_honi@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Hi Monroe. Yes, you explained very clear. I thought that a single VCA could > control all four voices if they were sent to a voltage mixer. The problem is > not the number of modules per voice, but a way to make changes to the > attack, decay, sustain and release of each adsr module and vca acting the > same way in real time. Like a A-143-2 with four gate inputs but just one > ADSR row and a single output. Don't know if what I imagined makes sense... > > Anyway, hope the polyphonic interface come out soon. I will keep studying > more. Thank you. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]