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Series III - Tape Streamer Errors - Please, please help!

Series III - Tape Streamer Errors - Please, please help!

2005-09-21 by Peter

Hi everyone, 

I have just got hold of 30 used Tapes, but as I'm browsing them 
(DIRTAPE command), my CMI says they're either blank (even though 
there are supposed to be files on them) or I get the 
message "Unexpected Tape Error 3". These are all compatible 3M 
DC600A Tapes and most of them are dated around 1988-1989. 

I have a couple of other tapes (Memorex MRX600A) which read and 
write fine, so does this mean the 30 3M tapes are buggered or is 
there a possibility my streamer could be faulty? By faulty, I mean 
in need of a clean (no idea when this was last done), in need of re-
allignment (is this possible?) or anything else anyone can suggest.

I know this is an extension of my previous posts, but these tapes 
have quite a cool history and I'm VERY eager to get my hands on 
their contents...

Thanks in advance! 

Kind Regards, 
Peter

Re: Series III - Tape Streamer Errors - Please, please help!

2005-09-25 by Peter

Hi everyone,

Just a follow up...

As none of the 30 tapes I was given are readable by my CMI, I tried 
to write to one of them from my CMI, just to see if the tapes are 
still functional.

The one I tried seems fine and I can successfully write to and from 
(using TOTAPE & FROMTAPE commands. I wiped it too during totape (-
w)). No softerrors whatsoever. This tape, with contents from 1988, 
was previously giving an "Unexpected Tape Error 3) message, but as I 
said it's now fine when formatted with my machine.

What does this mean?

1) The oringal contents have deteriorated, but the tape is still 
intact.
2) The Streamer Heads need re-alligning (is this possible/easy to 
do?).

??????

I know these are not easy questions to answer, but if anyone can 
shed any light or offer me guidance, that would be superb!

Kind regards,
Peter


--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" <PeterC@C...> wrote:
> Hi everyone, 
> 
> I have just got hold of 30 used Tapes, but as I'm browsing them 
> (DIRTAPE command), my CMI says they're either blank (even though 
> there are supposed to be files on them) or I get the 
> message "Unexpected Tape Error 3". These are all compatible 3M 
> DC600A Tapes and most of them are dated around 1988-1989. 
> 
> I have a couple of other tapes (Memorex MRX600A) which read and 
> write fine, so does this mean the 30 3M tapes are buggered or is 
> there a possibility my streamer could be faulty? By faulty, I mean 
> in need of a clean (no idea when this was last done), in need of 
re-
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> allignment (is this possible?) or anything else anyone can suggest.
> 
> I know this is an extension of my previous posts, but these tapes 
> have quite a cool history and I'm VERY eager to get my hands on 
> their contents...
> 
> Thanks in advance! 
> 
> Kind Regards, 
> Peter

Re: Series III - Tape Streamer Errors - Please, please help!

2005-09-25 by Peter

Hi James,

Hmmm, that's an interesting point, regarding pre/post waveform 
supervisor. Hopefully someone could enlighten or eliminate this 
possibility :-)

My primary hunch is head alignment, second is deteriorated tapes (or 
at least the dats on the tapes). If I could get hold of a list that 
details CMI errors, that would be helpful. Does anyone on this list 
have such a thing?

Cheers,
Peter

--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, James Thomson 
<jamesthomson@m...> wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> 
>  Could it be that the tapes were formatted and the sounds saved 
with a pre
> waveform supervisor CMI ? Maybe there was a change between the pre 
and post
> Waveform supervisor CMIs regarding the tape drive. Another idea 
may be that
> your tape drive is out of alignment with  the original tape drive 
that was
> used to save the sounds.
>  I am only making wild asumptions though ! Good luck!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> James Thomson
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 25/9/05 18:35, "Peter" <PeterC@C...> wrote:
> 
> > Hi everyone,
> > 
> > Just a follow up...
> > 
> > As none of the 30 tapes I was given are readable by my CMI, I 
tried
> > to write to one of them from my CMI, just to see if the tapes are
> > still functional.
> > 
> > The one I tried seems fine and I can successfully write to and 
from
> > (using TOTAPE & FROMTAPE commands. I wiped it too during totape 
(-
> > w)). No softerrors whatsoever. This tape, with contents from 
1988,
> > was previously giving an "Unexpected Tape Error 3) message, but 
as I
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > said it's now fine when formatted with my machine.
> > 
> > What does this mean?
> > 
> > 1) The oringal contents have deteriorated, but the tape is still
> > intact.
> > 2) The Streamer Heads need re-alligning (is this possible/easy to
> > do?).
> > 
> > ??????
> > 
> > I know these are not easy questions to answer, but if anyone can
> > shed any light or offer me guidance, that would be superb!
> > 
> > Kind regards,
> > Peter

Re: Series III - Tape Streamer Errors - Please, please help!

2005-09-25 by Peter

Hi Marcin,

I have no idea how to find this out?!?! Anybody?

Cheers,
Peter

--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, Marcin 'Rambo' Roguski 
<rambo@i...> wrote:
> > your tape drive is out of alignment with  the original tape
> > drive that was used to save the sounds.
> 
> Adding to wild assumptions: what's your streamers default block 
(bytes per logical sector) size? Because, while old streamers had 
hardwired 512-bytes or 2048-bytes  blocksize, later could autoswitch 
between 512, 1024, 2048- with some "default" blocksize set with 
jumpers (and yes, it was likewise with old CD burners).

Re: Series III - Tape Streamer Errors - Please, please help!

2005-09-25 by Peter

When was the Waveform Supervisor added? A lot of these tapes are 
from around 1988 - 1991/2

My machine is a 9.34 but don't know (yet) what revision the machine 
was these came from.

P

--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, James Thomson 
<jamesthomson@m...> wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> 
>  Could it be that the tapes were formatted and the sounds saved 
with a pre
> waveform supervisor CMI ? Maybe there was a change between the pre 
and post
> Waveform supervisor CMIs regarding the tape drive. Another idea 
may be that
> your tape drive is out of alignment with  the original tape drive 
that was
> used to save the sounds.
>  I am only making wild asumptions though ! Good luck!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> James Thomson
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 25/9/05 18:35, "Peter" <PeterC@C...> wrote:
> 
> > Hi everyone,
> > 
> > Just a follow up...
> > 
> > As none of the 30 tapes I was given are readable by my CMI, I 
tried
> > to write to one of them from my CMI, just to see if the tapes are
> > still functional.
> > 
> > The one I tried seems fine and I can successfully write to and 
from
> > (using TOTAPE & FROMTAPE commands. I wiped it too during totape 
(-
> > w)). No softerrors whatsoever. This tape, with contents from 
1988,
> > was previously giving an "Unexpected Tape Error 3) message, but 
as I
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > said it's now fine when formatted with my machine.
> > 
> > What does this mean?
> > 
> > 1) The oringal contents have deteriorated, but the tape is still
> > intact.
> > 2) The Streamer Heads need re-alligning (is this possible/easy to
> > do?).
> > 
> > ??????
> > 
> > I know these are not easy questions to answer, but if anyone can
> > shed any light or offer me guidance, that would be superb!
> > 
> > Kind regards,
> > Peter

Re: Series III - Tape Streamer Errors - Please, please help!

2005-09-25 by chaworth012000

According to the editorial pages in the January 1989 copy of Music 
Technology magazine, the Waveform superisor was part of the Rev7 
upgrade which was about to be introduced, so I'd guess it would be 
around that time.

This article also stated something which got me thinking in that the 
Rev7 package also included the option for 'high capcacity' 380MB 
ESDI drives. Does this mean that you could theoretically connect one 
of the older ESDI drives to a Waveform Super SCSI Bus?

I know not many people would wish to do this, but does anyone know 
if this is technically possible?

Chris.

--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" <PeterC@C...> wrote:
> When was the Waveform Supervisor added? A lot of these tapes are 
> from around 1988 - 1991/2
> 
> My machine is a 9.34 but don't know (yet) what revision the 
machine 
> was these came from.
> 
> P
> 
> --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, James Thomson 
> <jamesthomson@m...> wrote:
> > Hi Peter,
> > 
> >  Could it be that the tapes were formatted and the sounds saved 
> with a pre
> > waveform supervisor CMI ? Maybe there was a change between the 
pre 
> and post
> > Waveform supervisor CMIs regarding the tape drive. Another idea 
> may be that
> > your tape drive is out of alignment with  the original tape 
drive 
> that was
> > used to save the sounds.
> >  I am only making wild asumptions though ! Good luck!
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > James Thomson
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 25/9/05 18:35, "Peter" <PeterC@C...> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi everyone,
> > > 
> > > Just a follow up...
> > > 
> > > As none of the 30 tapes I was given are readable by my CMI, I 
> tried
> > > to write to one of them from my CMI, just to see if the tapes 
are
> > > still functional.
> > > 
> > > The one I tried seems fine and I can successfully write to and 
> from
> > > (using TOTAPE & FROMTAPE commands. I wiped it too during 
totape 
> (-
> > > w)). No softerrors whatsoever. This tape, with contents from 
> 1988,
> > > was previously giving an "Unexpected Tape Error 3) message, 
but 
> as I
> > > said it's now fine when formatted with my machine.
> > > 
> > > What does this mean?
> > > 
> > > 1) The oringal contents have deteriorated, but the tape is 
still
> > > intact.
> > > 2) The Streamer Heads need re-alligning (is this possible/easy 
to
> > > do?).
> > > 
> > > ??????
> > > 
> > > I know these are not easy questions to answer, but if anyone 
can
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > > shed any light or offer me guidance, that would be superb!
> > > 
> > > Kind regards,
> > > Peter

Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Series III - Tape Streamer Errors - Please, please help!

2005-09-25 by James Thomson

Hi Peter,

 Could it be that the tapes were formatted and the sounds saved with a pre
waveform supervisor CMI ? Maybe there was a change between the pre and post
Waveform supervisor CMIs regarding the tape drive. Another idea may be that
your tape drive is out of alignment with  the original tape drive that was
used to save the sounds.
 I am only making wild asumptions though ! Good luck!

Cheers,

James Thomson
Show quoted textHide quoted text
On 25/9/05 18:35, "Peter" <PeterC@Core-Design.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> Just a follow up...
> 
> As none of the 30 tapes I was given are readable by my CMI, I tried
> to write to one of them from my CMI, just to see if the tapes are
> still functional.
> 
> The one I tried seems fine and I can successfully write to and from
> (using TOTAPE & FROMTAPE commands. I wiped it too during totape (-
> w)). No softerrors whatsoever. This tape, with contents from 1988,
> was previously giving an "Unexpected Tape Error 3) message, but as I
> said it's now fine when formatted with my machine.
> 
> What does this mean?
> 
> 1) The oringal contents have deteriorated, but the tape is still
> intact.
> 2) The Streamer Heads need re-alligning (is this possible/easy to
> do?).
> 
> ??????
> 
> I know these are not easy questions to answer, but if anyone can
> shed any light or offer me guidance, that would be superb!
> 
> Kind regards,
> Peter

Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Series III - Tape Streamer Errors - Please, please help!

2005-09-25 by Marcin 'Rambo' Roguski

> your tape drive is out of alignment with  the original tape
> drive that was used to save the sounds.

Adding to wild assumptions: what's your streamers default block (bytes per logical sector) size? Because, while old streamers had hardwired 512-bytes or 2048-bytes  blocksize, later could autoswitch between 512, 1024, 2048- with some "default" blocksize set with jumpers (and yes, it was likewise with old CD burners).

Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Series III - Tape Streamer Errors - Please, please help!

2005-09-25 by Jean-Bernard EMOND

Sun Old Streamer work fine...

I read Fairlight Tape with him ;)

JB

Le 25 sept. 05, à 22:45, Peter a écrit :
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> Hi Marcin,
>
> I have no idea how to find this out?!?! Anybody?
>
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, Marcin 'Rambo' Roguski
> <rambo@i...> wrote:
>>> your tape drive is out of alignment with  the original tape
>>> drive that was used to save the sounds.
>>
>> Adding to wild assumptions: what's your streamers default block
> (bytes per logical sector) size? Because, while old streamers had
> hardwired 512-bytes or 2048-bytes  blocksize, later could autoswitch
> between 512, 1024, 2048- with some "default" blocksize set with
> jumpers (and yes, it was likewise with old CD burners).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Series III - Tape Streamer Errors - Please, please help!

2005-09-26 by djangokitty2

By sometime in the late eighties/early nineties, it became apperent
that many of the streaming tapes were failing to recover.
Sometimes one could get a partial set to comeback, but eventually a
"cmi error" would abort the process. Most of us at the time (including
myself), made a concerted effort to copy every thing to the newer
format WORM drive. Still, there were some tapes I never could reclaim,
including some favorite samples such as one named (I think)
trmbns02.vc that had a particularly good bass trombone on the bottom
(I missed that for years). I also had to go begging to Todd Harrimen
for a replacement of the French Franc coin drop sound effect when I
needed just such a thing years later (thankfully he had it).
\
Andrew (Dr. Bombay) and the crowd at Fairlight at the time, made it
sound as if it
was a fatal error that could not be recovered in anyway, and an
imputus for the replacement of the streamer with the WORM. Maybe the
error correction capacities of the time were too small. Perhaps some
weisenhiemer can figure out how to stream the entire content off, find
the fatal error and patch it.

As I am sold out, I only watch this board for nostalgic reasons, but I
wish you luck battling these problems. If someone figured out how to
resurect these tapes, there would be some cool stuff laying about (if
it hasn't been recorded over).

Peter K.


--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" <PeterC@C...> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Just a follow up...
> 
> As none of the 30 tapes I was given are readable by my CMI, I tried 
> to write to one of them from my CMI, just to see if the tapes are 
> still functional.
> 
> The one I tried seems fine and I can successfully write to and from 
> (using TOTAPE & FROMTAPE commands. I wiped it too during totape (-
> w)). No softerrors whatsoever. This tape, with contents from 1988, 
> was previously giving an "Unexpected Tape Error 3) message, but as
I 
> said it's now fine when formatted with my machine.
> 
> What does this mean?
> 
> 1) The oringal contents have deteriorated, but the tape is still 
> intact.
> 2) The Streamer Heads need re-alligning (is this possible/easy to 
> do?).
> 
> ??????
> 
> I know these are not easy questions to answer, but if anyone can 
> shed any light or offer me guidance, that would be superb!
> 
> Kind regards,
> Peter
> 
> 
> --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" <PeterC@C...> wrote:
> > Hi everyone, 
> > 
> > I have just got hold of 30 used Tapes, but as I'm browsing them 
> > (DIRTAPE command), my CMI says they're either blank (even though 
> > there are supposed to be files on them) or I get the 
> > message "Unexpected Tape Error 3". These are all compatible 3M 
> > DC600A Tapes and most of them are dated around 1988-1989. 
> > 
> > I have a couple of other tapes (Memorex MRX600A) which read and 
> > write fine, so does this mean the 30 3M tapes are buggered or is 
> > there a possibility my streamer could be faulty? By faulty, I
mean 
> > in need of a clean (no idea when this was last done), in need of 
> re-
> > allignment (is this possible?) or anything else anyone can
suggest.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > 
> > I know this is an extension of my previous posts, but these tapes 
> > have quite a cool history and I'm VERY eager to get my hands on 
> > their contents...
> > 
> > Thanks in advance! 
> > 
> > Kind Regards, 
> > Peter

Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Series III - Tape Streamer Errors - Please, please help!

2005-09-26 by Harald Feldmann

My 2c worth:

In the end, digital signals on a tape are, in fact, sounds.

As is the case with old analog recordings, there may be a case of print
through with these digital recordings, causing the signal to be garbled.

Interested reading: http://www.aes.org/aeshc/docs/3mtape/printthrough.pdf

A solution to the digital tape problem may be found in solutions for
analog tapes.

Best regards,
Harald.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> By sometime in the late eighties/early nineties, it became apperent
> that many of the streaming tapes were failing to recover.

> .... Still, there were some tapes I never could reclaim,
> including some favorite samples such as one named (I think)
> trmbns02.vc that had a particularly good bass trombone on the bottom
> (I missed that for years). I also had to go begging to Todd Harrimen
> for a replacement of the French Franc coin drop sound effect when I
> needed just such a thing years later (thankfully he had it).
> \
> Andrew (Dr. Bombay) and the crowd at Fairlight at the time, made it
> sound as if it
> was a fatal error that could not be recovered in anyway, and an
> imputus for the replacement of the streamer with the WORM. Maybe the
> error correction capacities of the time were too small. Perhaps some
> weisenhiemer can figure out how to stream the entire content off, find
> the fatal error and patch it.
>
> As I am sold out, I only watch this board for nostalgic reasons, but I
> wish you luck battling these problems. If someone figured out how to
> resurect these tapes, there would be some cool stuff laying about (if
> it hasn't been recorded over).
>
> Peter K.

Re: Series III - Tape Streamer Errors - Please, please help!

2005-09-26 by Peter

Thanks for your post Peter. It's good you're still hanging around 
these Forums! There are some cool libraries from big artists on 
these tapes, so hope I can get them recovered.

I got a reply on the Fairlight AU Forum and there is a company in 
the UK that specialise in fixing Streamers, Data Recovery, etc. 
Might come in handy. I've certainly contacted them!!! The web link 
is:

http://www.odrl.co.uk/

Kind regards,
Peter

--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "djangokitty2" <pdkaye@v...> 
wrote:
> By sometime in the late eighties/early nineties, it became apperent
> that many of the streaming tapes were failing to recover.
> Sometimes one could get a partial set to comeback, but eventually a
> "cmi error" would abort the process. Most of us at the time 
(including
> myself), made a concerted effort to copy every thing to the newer
> format WORM drive. Still, there were some tapes I never could 
reclaim,
> including some favorite samples such as one named (I think)
> trmbns02.vc that had a particularly good bass trombone on the 
bottom
> (I missed that for years). I also had to go begging to Todd 
Harrimen
> for a replacement of the French Franc coin drop sound effect when I
> needed just such a thing years later (thankfully he had it).
> \
> Andrew (Dr. Bombay) and the crowd at Fairlight at the time, made it
> sound as if it
> was a fatal error that could not be recovered in anyway, and an
> imputus for the replacement of the streamer with the WORM. Maybe 
the
> error correction capacities of the time were too small. Perhaps 
some
> weisenhiemer can figure out how to stream the entire content off, 
find
> the fatal error and patch it.
> 
> As I am sold out, I only watch this board for nostalgic reasons, 
but I
> wish you luck battling these problems. If someone figured out how 
to
> resurect these tapes, there would be some cool stuff laying about 
(if
> it hasn't been recorded over).
> 
> Peter K.
> 
> 
> --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" <PeterC@C...> wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> > 
> > Just a follow up...
> > 
> > As none of the 30 tapes I was given are readable by my CMI, I 
tried 
> > to write to one of them from my CMI, just to see if the tapes 
are 
> > still functional.
> > 
> > The one I tried seems fine and I can successfully write to and 
from 
> > (using TOTAPE & FROMTAPE commands. I wiped it too during totape 
(-
> > w)). No softerrors whatsoever. This tape, with contents from 
1988, 
> > was previously giving an "Unexpected Tape Error 3) message, but 
as
> I 
> > said it's now fine when formatted with my machine.
> > 
> > What does this mean?
> > 
> > 1) The oringal contents have deteriorated, but the tape is still 
> > intact.
> > 2) The Streamer Heads need re-alligning (is this possible/easy 
to 
> > do?).
> > 
> > ??????
> > 
> > I know these are not easy questions to answer, but if anyone can 
> > shed any light or offer me guidance, that would be superb!
> > 
> > Kind regards,
> > Peter
> > 
> > 
> > --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" <PeterC@C...> 
wrote:
> > > Hi everyone, 
> > > 
> > > I have just got hold of 30 used Tapes, but as I'm browsing 
them 
> > > (DIRTAPE command), my CMI says they're either blank (even 
though 
> > > there are supposed to be files on them) or I get the 
> > > message "Unexpected Tape Error 3". These are all compatible 3M 
> > > DC600A Tapes and most of them are dated around 1988-1989. 
> > > 
> > > I have a couple of other tapes (Memorex MRX600A) which read 
and 
> > > write fine, so does this mean the 30 3M tapes are buggered or 
is 
> > > there a possibility my streamer could be faulty? By faulty, I
> mean 
> > > in need of a clean (no idea when this was last done), in need 
of 
> > re-
> > > allignment (is this possible?) or anything else anyone can
> suggest.
> > > 
> > > I know this is an extension of my previous posts, but these 
tapes 
> > > have quite a cool history and I'm VERY eager to get my hands 
on 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > > their contents...
> > > 
> > > Thanks in advance! 
> > > 
> > > Kind Regards, 
> > > Peter

Re: Series III - Tape Streamer Errors - Please, please help!

2005-09-26 by Peter

Hmmm. Thanks Harald. That looks like an interesting read :-)

P

--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "Harald Feldmann" <feldmann@x> 
wrote:
> My 2c worth:
> 
> In the end, digital signals on a tape are, in fact, sounds.
> 
> As is the case with old analog recordings, there may be a case of 
print
> through with these digital recordings, causing the signal to be 
garbled.
> 
> Interested reading: 
http://www.aes.org/aeshc/docs/3mtape/printthrough.pdf
> 
> A solution to the digital tape problem may be found in solutions 
for
> analog tapes.
> 
> Best regards,
> Harald.
> 
> 
> > By sometime in the late eighties/early nineties, it became 
apperent
> > that many of the streaming tapes were failing to recover.
> 
> > .... Still, there were some tapes I never could reclaim,
> > including some favorite samples such as one named (I think)
> > trmbns02.vc that had a particularly good bass trombone on the 
bottom
> > (I missed that for years). I also had to go begging to Todd 
Harrimen
> > for a replacement of the French Franc coin drop sound effect 
when I
> > needed just such a thing years later (thankfully he had it).
> > \
> > Andrew (Dr. Bombay) and the crowd at Fairlight at the time, made 
it
> > sound as if it
> > was a fatal error that could not be recovered in anyway, and an
> > imputus for the replacement of the streamer with the WORM. Maybe 
the
> > error correction capacities of the time were too small. Perhaps 
some
> > weisenhiemer can figure out how to stream the entire content 
off, find
> > the fatal error and patch it.
> >
> > As I am sold out, I only watch this board for nostalgic reasons, 
but I
> > wish you luck battling these problems. If someone figured out 
how to
> > resurect these tapes, there would be some cool stuff laying 
about (if
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > it hasn't been recorded over).
> >
> > Peter K.

Re: Series III - Tape Streamer Errors - Please, please help!

2005-09-27 by David J. Wilson

Peter Kaye !  how are you ?  all's well here, are you back in 
the US or still in the UK ?  stay in touch.

cheers

David Wilson


--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "djangokitty2" <pdkaye@v...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> By sometime in the late eighties/early nineties, it became apperent
> that many of the streaming tapes were failing to recover.
> Sometimes one could get a partial set to comeback, but eventually a
> "cmi error" would abort the process. Most of us at the time (including
> myself), made a concerted effort to copy every thing to the newer
> format WORM drive. Still, there were some tapes I never could reclaim,
> including some favorite samples such as one named (I think)
> trmbns02.vc that had a particularly good bass trombone on the bottom
> (I missed that for years). I also had to go begging to Todd Harrimen
> for a replacement of the French Franc coin drop sound effect when I
> needed just such a thing years later (thankfully he had it).
> \
> Andrew (Dr. Bombay) and the crowd at Fairlight at the time, made it
> sound as if it
> was a fatal error that could not be recovered in anyway, and an
> imputus for the replacement of the streamer with the WORM. Maybe the
> error correction capacities of the time were too small. Perhaps some
> weisenhiemer can figure out how to stream the entire content off, find
> the fatal error and patch it.
> 
> As I am sold out, I only watch this board for nostalgic reasons, but I
> wish you luck battling these problems. If someone figured out how to
> resurect these tapes, there would be some cool stuff laying about (if
> it hasn't been recorded over).
> 
> Peter K.
> 
> 
> --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" <PeterC@C...> wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> > 
> > Just a follow up...
> > 
> > As none of the 30 tapes I was given are readable by my CMI, I tried 
> > to write to one of them from my CMI, just to see if the tapes are 
> > still functional.
> > 
> > The one I tried seems fine and I can successfully write to and from 
> > (using TOTAPE & FROMTAPE commands. I wiped it too during totape (-
> > w)). No softerrors whatsoever. This tape, with contents from 1988, 
> > was previously giving an "Unexpected Tape Error 3) message, but as
> I 
> > said it's now fine when formatted with my machine.
> > 
> > What does this mean?
> > 
> > 1) The oringal contents have deteriorated, but the tape is still 
> > intact.
> > 2) The Streamer Heads need re-alligning (is this possible/easy to 
> > do?).
> > 
> > ??????
> > 
> > I know these are not easy questions to answer, but if anyone can 
> > shed any light or offer me guidance, that would be superb!
> > 
> > Kind regards,
> > Peter
> > 
> > 
> > --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" <PeterC@C...> wrote:
> > > Hi everyone, 
> > > 
> > > I have just got hold of 30 used Tapes, but as I'm browsing them 
> > > (DIRTAPE command), my CMI says they're either blank (even though 
> > > there are supposed to be files on them) or I get the 
> > > message "Unexpected Tape Error 3". These are all compatible 3M 
> > > DC600A Tapes and most of them are dated around 1988-1989. 
> > > 
> > > I have a couple of other tapes (Memorex MRX600A) which read and 
> > > write fine, so does this mean the 30 3M tapes are buggered or is 
> > > there a possibility my streamer could be faulty? By faulty, I
> mean 
> > > in need of a clean (no idea when this was last done), in need of 
> > re-
> > > allignment (is this possible?) or anything else anyone can
> suggest.
> > > 
> > > I know this is an extension of my previous posts, but these tapes 
> > > have quite a cool history and I'm VERY eager to get my hands on 
> > > their contents...
> > > 
> > > Thanks in advance! 
> > > 
> > > Kind Regards, 
> > > Peter

Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Series III - Tape Streamer Errors - Please, please help!

2005-09-27 by Harald Feldmann

You're welcome :)

If I find out anything interesting that might serve as a solution I'll post.

Best regards,
Harald.
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> Hmmm. Thanks Harald. That looks like an interesting read :-)
>
> P
>
> --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "Harald Feldmann" <feldmann@x>
> wrote:
>> My 2c worth:
>>
>> In the end, digital signals on a tape are, in fact, sounds.
>>
>> As is the case with old analog recordings, there may be a case of
> print
>> through with these digital recordings, causing the signal to be
> garbled.
>>
>> Interested reading:
> http://www.aes.org/aeshc/docs/3mtape/printthrough.pdf
>>
>> A solution to the digital tape problem may be found in solutions
> for
>> analog tapes.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Harald.

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