Fairlight-CMI

Hello,

UVI has just released a Fairlight CMI IIx VST's, the sample sounds come 
from my CMI IIx.

<http://www.uvi.net/>

They have work three days to sample big part of the original Fairlight 
Bank, plus some extra personal sounds.

You can see the traler video like is in "Tron" style: P

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IP6RUbkoOY>

Regards,

JB

Thanks. It'll be interesting to see how this turns out.

I wasn't impressed with the demo video, though.  Horrible sounds and a lot 
of hype and vague promises.  I'm not that easily put off, though.  More 
information and some proper demos, or even a time-limited demo version would 
be a great help.

I had made a comment on the product on youtube, it wasn't positive so....

I got BANNED by the company...! They don't seem to like negative comments from people that really know the sound of the machine...

They censored my comment while they opened their youtube page for comments in the first place! I think they are not a fair and open company. They (as many before them) sell a vague lie, and a thin, produced sound instead of the raw uncut sound of the series IIx.

I've reluctantly made an anti Darklight IIx video for youtube, because you always need the fair discussion about tools like this, not censorship.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUGDVuk_Rxg&list=UUowIcKSfnXn8iRYJxL3L8-g&index=1&feature=plcp

Maybe i'll regret it, but i really think they should stop labelling fake software to a classic brand and sell through the reputation of those great products.
--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew" <taoist.hermit1@...> wrote:

>
> 
> Thanks. It'll be interesting to see how this turns out.
> 
> I wasn't impressed with the demo video, though.  Horrible sounds and a lot 
> of hype and vague promises.  I'm not that easily put off, though.  More 
> information and some proper demos, or even a time-limited demo version would 
> be a great help.
>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzFDZlLFDvU

This is the anti darklight uvi video.

I hope the company wakes up to the fact that censorship of personal opinion is definitely not the way to go in the music software industry.

It's very disturbing when a public company/creative venture won't tolerate criticism. Good on you for uploading your video.
Hopefully UVI will reconsider their position.

--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "ataritt" <ataritt@...> wrote:

>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzFDZlLFDvU
> 
> This is the anti darklight uvi video.
> 
> I hope the company wakes up to the fact that censorship of personal opinion is definitely not the way to go in the music software industry.
>

Thanks for letting us know about this. I agree, it isn't very impresssive 
behaviour from the company.

On 22/06/12 17:18, John wrote:
> It's very disturbing when a public company/creative venture won't tolerate criticism. Good on you for uploading your video.
> Hopefully UVI will reconsider their position.

I wonder if UVI have permission to use the samples?

One of the things that stopped me making a Fairlight LV2 plugin for 
Linux was that the key to it all is the samples - and I don't have 
permission to use the samples.  Of course, I could ask one of the 
founders of Fairlight, I'm sure I've seen them hanging around... ;-)

It's a case of getting around to it, but I'd love to convert clean "disk 
image" samples to a couple of other instruments.  Again, getting the 
appropriate permission is everything!

-- 
Gordonjcp MM0YEQ

As WT says, just make your plugin able to read 8" diskette images pulled from the original libraries. They definitely exist, and you can make 'em yourself, too. Happy to answer questions.

Joe

Curious your vision ...

You accuse UVI has what you apply to your own video ... it is easy way :)

You are a "profesional" because you have a Fairlight CMI III (rev 9.34 probably) is a machine closer to that of the CMI III MFX2.

And therefore totally different from CMI IIx !

Why such a violent reaction has about Darklight IIx UVI ?

Do you test it ?

I think you not. So you base your critique on what?

Please explain you

JB

I Not profesional but have lote of nice synth (Fairlight, Ned, etc...)


----- Mail original -----
De: "ataritt" <ataritt@yahoo.com>
À: Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com
Envoyé: Vendredi 22 Juin 2012 17:18:36
Objet: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: UVI Darklight IIx






I had made a comment on the product on youtube, it wasn't positive so.... 

I got BANNED by the company...! They don't seem to like negative comments from people that really know the sound of the machine... 

They censored my comment while they opened their youtube page for comments in the first place! I think they are not a fair and open company. They (as many before them) sell a vague lie, and a thin, produced sound instead of the raw uncut sound of the series IIx. 

I've reluctantly made an anti Darklight IIx video for youtube, because you always need the fair discussion about tools like this, not censorship. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUGDVuk_Rxg&list=UUowIcKSfnXn8iRYJxL3L8-g&index=1&feature=plcp 

Maybe i'll regret it, but i really think they should stop labelling fake software to a classic brand and sell through the reputation of those great products. 
--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com , "Andrew" <taoist.hermit1@...> wrote: 

> 
> 
> Thanks. It'll be interesting to see how this turns out. 
> 
> I wasn't impressed with the demo video, though. Horrible sounds and a lot 
> of hype and vague promises. I'm not that easily put off, though. More 
> information and some proper demos, or even a time-limited demo version would 
> be a great help. 
>

On 22/06/12 17:43, WT wrote:
>
>
> CMI IIx samples are free to use but Series III are not. IRC.
> WT

Is that Free As In Beer or Free As In Speech though?

Can I mangle them into another format (say, make a set of Roland W30 
disks) and redistribute them under an equally permissive licence?

-- 
Gordonjcp MM0YEQ

I blame IOS5.xx ( or my fat fingers )

WT

22 jun 2012 kl. 21:56 skrev "Peter K." <synthserv@hotmail.com>:

> IRC? What does that stand for? I know it as "Internet Relay Chat", a search on Google gave me this: http://www.acronymfinder.com/IRC.html so, that didn't make me any wiser <Emoticon3.gif>
>  
> Thanks in advance for your answer.
>  
> Peter K.
>  
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Carpe Ductum ! - (Seize the tape !)
> 
> From: WT
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 6:43 PM
> To: Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: UVI Darklight IIx
> 
>  
> CMI IIx samples are free to use but Series III are not. IRC.
>  
> WT
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gordon JC Pearce
> To: Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 6:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: UVI Darklight IIx
> 
>  
> On 22/06/12 17:18, John wrote:
> > It's very disturbing when a public company/creative venture won't tolerate criticism. Good on you for uploading your video.
> > Hopefully UVI will reconsider their position.
> 
> I wonder if UVI have permission to use the samples?
> 
> One of the things that stopped me making a Fairlight LV2 plugin for 
> Linux was that the key to it all is the samples - and I don't have 
> permission to use the samples. Of course, I could ask one of the 
> founders of Fairlight, I'm sure I've seen them hanging around... ;-)
> 
> It's a case of getting around to it, but I'd love to convert clean "disk 
> image" samples to a couple of other instruments. Again, getting the 
> appropriate permission is everything!
> 
> -- 
> Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
> 
>

Good on you for making this video.  I would have given it a `like' if 
ratings were enabled (though I think you were right to disable them. A 
company who can pull tricks like they have done would also be capable of 
manipulating ratings).

My first thought when I saw this software was `Is it really a Fairlight 
emulation or just another sample player?'  To be fair, I think a software 
emulation could be inferior to the original and still very useful, 
especially if the original is expensive or of limited availability.  I think 
the jury is still out on that with this Darklight thing.  But their actions 
against you are completely out of line and unacceptable, and you're 
definitely right to make people aware of what sort of company they are. 
They're really going to have to do some back-pedalling to salvage their 
reputation after pulling a trick like that.

On Youtube you call me a SHIT-STIRRER so my reply to you is:

Inform yourself first about someone and then call that person names like that and worse.
I had made a mild but informed critical remark on youtube first before i made that video, but they banned me! 

So i thought i should wake them up, for honesty's sake.

I don't think that when UVI puts a product on youtube, and enables comments on it they should filter out the unpleasant, to create an untrue image to people that are interested in buying it.

But,

They have ment their ways and are right for doing so, so the truth is told now, people can make positive and unpositive remarks.

I removed the video because all is clear.

That is a democratic and honest way of doing business.

This is not about ME, although you published on youtube that i was selfindulged and other horrible remarks about "poo".

I'm an honest professional that actually produces records since 1991.

I worked for Sony, EMI, Capitol and numerous more record companies as composer and producer, i have 2 businesses in audio and employ 1 person, plus i also freelance in radio and television work so i think i may call myself a pro after 30 years in audio and living off it.

I hope you now understand that i'm not all those horrible things you call me.

Sincerely,

Karel

--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, jbemond@... wrote:

>
> Curious your vision ...
> 
> You accuse UVI has what you apply to your own video ... it is easy way :)
> 
> You are a "profesional" because you have a Fairlight CMI III (rev 9.34 probably) is a machine closer to that of the CMI III MFX2.
> 
> And therefore totally different from CMI IIx !
> 
> Why such a violent reaction has about Darklight IIx UVI ?
> 
> Do you test it ?
> 
> I think you not. So you base your critique on what?
> 
> Please explain you
> 
> JB
> 
> I Not profesional but have lote of nice synth (Fairlight, Ned, etc...)
> 
> 
> ----- Mail original -----
> De: "ataritt" <ataritt@...>
> À: Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com
> Envoyé: Vendredi 22 Juin 2012 17:18:36
> Objet: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: UVI Darklight IIx
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I had made a comment on the product on youtube, it wasn't positive so.... 
> 
> I got BANNED by the company...! They don't seem to like negative comments from people that really know the sound of the machine... 
> 
> They censored my comment while they opened their youtube page for comments in the first place! I think they are not a fair and open company. They (as many before them) sell a vague lie, and a thin, produced sound instead of the raw uncut sound of the series IIx. 
> 
> I've reluctantly made an anti Darklight IIx video for youtube, because you always need the fair discussion about tools like this, not censorship. 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUGDVuk_Rxg&list=UUowIcKSfnXn8iRYJxL3L8-g&index=1&feature=plcp 
> 
> Maybe i'll regret it, but i really think they should stop labelling fake software to a classic brand and sell through the reputation of those great products. 
> --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com , "Andrew" <taoist.hermit1@> wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks. It'll be interesting to see how this turns out. 
> > 
> > I wasn't impressed with the demo video, though. Horrible sounds and a lot 
> > of hype and vague promises. I'm not that easily put off, though. More 
> > information and some proper demos, or even a time-limited demo version would 
> > be a great help. 
> >
>

>On Youtube you call me a SHIT-STIRRER
yes I write this because is the true... How to describe your approach ?

You're very aggressive in your first message on Youtube UVI channel, why ???

Me when I criticize something, I give a good reason.
And above all I criticize something that I know that I have tested !

And your argument "I'm a pro so I know everything" is totally ridiculous !

Also you have your CMI III (not same the II) then the UVI Darklight IIx product does not interest you ... 
It was made for people who do not have CMI IIx !!!


Yes me too I have a CMI IIx and never I would buy a Fairlight CMI II emulator or set of CMI sample, is not for me because I have the original ;)

It's the same way for all Synth I have ;)


The simplest may be to calm down.
And write constructive criticism with reasoned evidence

Everybody knows that emulator does not give the same result as the real instrument.
Everyone knows that samples are only samples.

But nobody criticism like you !

Nobody is obliged to purchase VST, etc...

Nobody is forced to buy software UVI.

Now Cool... and made music in peace ;) It's just a software ;)

JB

You haven't read my comment on youtube, it was removed by UVI, and i can say it was certainly not agressive, and just 3 lines of text.

They have accepted that they made a mistake, and we've come to terms already, so the problem is fixed, and the video long gone.

Now tell me, as you have got this software apparently, how good you think is it? And what does it offer us? That is what we would really like to know.

Please keep this forum articulate (that means intelligent) and stop trying to be right, we all have our flaws, you and me both.

But what i did was proper judgement, and i'll do it again when i discover that people's opinions are censored to make something look good for the buying public.


Now have a good weekend and make some great music!

I know you can because you've got great tools. :-)

Any chance you want to sell your Synclavier?

Regards, Karel





--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, jbemond@... wrote:

>
> >On Youtube you call me a SHIT-STIRRER
> yes I write this because is the true... How to describe your approach ?
> 
> You're very aggressive in your first message on Youtube UVI channel, why ???
> 
> Me when I criticize something, I give a good reason.
> And above all I criticize something that I know that I have tested !
> 
> And your argument "I'm a pro so I know everything" is totally ridiculous !
> 
> Also you have your CMI III (not same the II) then the UVI Darklight IIx product does not interest you ... 
> It was made for people who do not have CMI IIx !!!
> 
> 
> Yes me too I have a CMI IIx and never I would buy a Fairlight CMI II emulator or set of CMI sample, is not for me because I have the original ;)
> 
> It's the same way for all Synth I have ;)
> 
> 
> The simplest may be to calm down.
> And write constructive criticism with reasoned evidence
> 
> Everybody knows that emulator does not give the same result as the real instrument.
> Everyone knows that samples are only samples.
> 
> But nobody criticism like you !
> 
> Nobody is obliged to purchase VST, etc...
> 
> Nobody is forced to buy software UVI.
> 
> Now Cool... and made music in peace ;) It's just a software ;)
> 
> JB
>

In reply to message from jbemond@free.fr

The bottom line, it seems to me, is that none of us can assess Eric's 
comments because UVI removed them, therefore stifling informed and 
democratic debate.

If Eric's comments weren't justified, what were UVI so afraid of?  And if 
they were justified, removing them is inappropriate.

I agree with Eric that selectively filtering the comments creates an untrue 
image of responses to their product.

For the record, I've responded many times in the past to people who've 
criticised software emulations unfairly.  But other companies allow the 
unfair comments to stand and be responded to.  That's the sensible, balanced 
attitude to the situation, and it's in accord with the free speech 
principles of the Internet.

I don't know what Eric said.  I don't know if I would have agreed or 
disagreed.  But he had a right to say it and I object both to the removal of 
his comments and the consequent removal of my opportunity to make my own 
mind up about what was being said.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: jbemond@free.fr

> And your argument "I'm a pro so I know everything" is totally ridiculous !

Did Eric actually say this, or is it your summary of his comments?  And 
again, if UVI hadn't removed his comments, we could assess them objectively. 
UVI removed the possibility of that happening.

I agree with your comments about who the Darklight is aimed at.  But the 
real question is whether they've created a genuine Fairlight emulation or 
just a sample player with some editing capabilities that pretends to be an 
emulation.  If it's what it claims to be in their over-hyped and dreadful 
sounding video, then why are they so afraid of people reading Eric's 
comments and being able to make their own minds up?

>Now have a good weekend and make some great music! 
Nice ;)

>Any chance you want to sell your Synclavier? 
sorry my 3 Ned Synclaviers are not for sale ;)

Regards,

JB

I would never comment on some software without first hand experience.
So the demo was bad. If this was the case, nobody would have bought a Jupiter 8 or any number of synths with crappy demos.

Thanks for that.  It would have been much better if UVI had gone straight to 
this stage and started with your review instead of with their dubious video 
and their attempts to stifle discussion.

I hope they appreciate your efforts on their behalf, and have learned some 
lessons about what not to do when marketing.