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Looking for a sound

2012-10-05 by jaddams80

Im looking for a breathy/radar/sonar ping sound, which (I think) comes from the fairlight.

You can hear it being used in the following tracks:
Thomas Dolby - one of our submarines is missing - both as a breathy background and also as a higher pitched ping

used all over New Muzik albums
anywhere - areas - breathy ping
anywhere - world of water - breathy ping
anywhere - luxury - again the breathy ping
anywhere - while you wait - opens the track and is used throughout
anywhere - changing minds - clipped ping
- to be honest it looks like its used on every track...

anyone help?

Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Looking for a sound

2012-10-05 by Rob Puricelli

Off the top of my head, it's a sample called WHTNOIS, and is, essentially, a pitched white noise sample. I'm not sure if it was a factory library sample or something that came after. There are many variations on the factory library and some samples appeared briefly on some disks and not on others.

I know this sound mainly due to my obsession with Dolby :-)

But yes, WHTNOIS. I'm sure that's what it is called. Peter Vogel gave me some lists of library sounds so I'll dig through them.

Come to think of it, it may have been a CMI Series I or II sample, as opposed to the IIx (I only have the IIx and III libraries and data here). Given the fact that the New Musik tracks you refer to were recorded in 1980, and TD's One Of Our Submarines was recorded circa '82, they preceded the IIx somewhat.

I know for a fact that this sample appears on the Bitley Fairlight Platinum ReFill for Propellerhead Reason. I know that Patrick sampled a IIx, but the chances are he may have had access to a II or I library. Patrick has also started converting this library into Kontakt, but I can't recall if this sample is on there.

Don't know how much help that has been but hope it has somehow.

Regards,

Rob.

On 5 Oct 2012, at 11:57, jaddams80 <jaddams80@yahoo.com> wrote:

Im looking for a breathy/radar/sonar ping sound, which (I think) comes from the fairlight.

You can hear it being used in the following tracks:
Thomas Dolby - one of our submarines is missing - both as a breathy background and also as a higher pitched ping

used all over New Muzik albums
anywhere - areas - breathy ping
anywhere - world of water - breathy ping
anywhere - luxury - again the breathy ping
anywhere - while you wait - opens the track and is used throughout
anywhere - changing minds - clipped ping
- to be honest it looks like its used on every track...

anyone help?

Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Looking for a sound

2012-10-06 by JAddams

mmm, thanks rob.

Gives me a good place to start. I did a search through the IIx library and couldn't find it, so I suppose it must be I or II.

I've had a go at reproducing it without much luck so far :)

Jean-Luc

On 5 Oct 2012, at 18:32, Rob Puricelli <rob@failedmuso.plus.com> wrote:

Off the top of my head, it's a sample called WHTNOIS, and is, essentially, a pitched white noise sample. I'm not sure if it was a factory library sample or something that came after. There are many variations on the factory library and some samples appeared briefly on some disks and not on others.

I know this sound mainly due to my obsession with Dolby :-)

But yes, WHTNOIS. I'm sure that's what it is called. Peter Vogel gave me some lists of library sounds so I'll dig through them.

Come to think of it, it may have been a CMI Series I or II sample, as opposed to the IIx (I only have the IIx and III libraries and data here). Given the fact that the New Musik tracks you refer to were recorded in 1980, and TD's One Of Our Submarines was recorded circa '82, they preceded the IIx somewhat.

I know for a fact that this sample appears on the Bitley Fairlight Platinum ReFill for Propellerhead Reason. I know that Patrick sampled a IIx, but the chances are he may have had access to a II or I library. Patrick has also started converting this library into Kontakt, but I can't recall if this sample is on there.

Don't know how much help that has been but hope it has somehow.

Regards,

Rob.

Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Looking for a sound

2012-10-06 by WT

That sound is from the micromoog. It is just filtered noise.

Dolby didn´t use the CMI on One of our submarines.

WT

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JAddams" <jaddams80@yahoo.com>
To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Looking for a sound

mmm, thanks rob.

Gives me a good place to start. I did a search through the IIx library and 
couldn't find it, so I suppose it must be I or II.
I've had a go at reproducing it without much luck so far :)

Jean-Luc

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On 5 Oct 2012, at 18:32, Rob Puricelli <rob@failedmuso.plus.com> wrote:

> Off the top of my head, it's a sample called WHTNOIS, and is, essentially, 
> a pitched white noise sample. I'm not sure if it was a factory library 
> sample or something that came after. There are many variations on the 
> factory library and some samples appeared briefly on some disks and not on 
> others.
>
>
> I know this sound mainly due to my obsession with Dolby :-)
>
> But yes, WHTNOIS. I'm sure that's what it is called. Peter Vogel gave me 
> some lists of library sounds so I'll dig through them.
>
> Come to think of it, it may have been a CMI Series I or II sample, as 
> opposed to the IIx (I only have the IIx and III libraries and data here). 
> Given the fact that the New Musik tracks you refer to were recorded in 
> 1980, and TD's One Of Our Submarines was recorded circa '82, they preceded 
> the IIx somewhat.
>
> I know for a fact that this sample appears on the Bitley Fairlight 
> Platinum ReFill for Propellerhead Reason. I know that Patrick sampled a 
> IIx, but the chances are he may have had access to a II or I library. 
> Patrick has also started converting this library into Kontakt, but I can't 
> recall if this sample is on there.
>
> Don't know how much help that has been but hope it has somehow.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rob.

Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Looking for a sound

2012-10-06 by carl heinz

The Dolby sub-sound noise sound is most likely from from an old Simmons clap trap...I'm sure because I owned one and it makes all kinds of noises other than claps which didn't really sound like claps at all.

--- On Sat, 10/6/12, WT ; wrote:

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From: WT
Subject: Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Looking for a sound
To: Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 6, 2012, 1:24 AM

That sound is from the micromoog. It is just filtered noise.

Dolby didn´t use the CMI on One of our submarines.

WT

----- Original Message -----
From: "JAddams" <jaddams80@yahoo.com>
To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Looking for a sound

mmm, thanks rob.

Gives me a good place to start. I did a search through the IIx library and
couldn't find it, so I suppose it must be I or II.
I've had a go at reproducing it without much luck so far :)

Jean-Luc

On 5 Oct 2012, at 18:32, Rob Puricelli <rob@failedmuso.plus.com> wrote:

> Off the top of my head, it's a sample called WHTNOIS, and is, essentially,
> a pitched white noise sample. I'm not sure if it was a factory library
> sample or something that came after. There are many variations on the
> factory library and some samples appeared briefly on some disks and not on
> others.
>
>
> I know this sound mainly due to my obsession with Dolby :-)
>
> But yes, WHTNOIS. I'm sure that's what it is called. Peter Vogel gave me
>; some lists of library sounds so I'll dig through them.
>
> Come to think of it, it may have been a CMI Series I or II sample, as
>; opposed to the IIx (I only have the IIx and III libraries and data here).
> Given the fact that the New Musik tracks you refer to were recorded in
> 1980, and TD's One Of Our Submarines was recorded circa '82, they preceded
> the IIx somewhat.
>
> I know for a fact that this sample appears on the Bitley Fairlight
> Platinum ReFill for Propellerhead Reason. I know that Patrick sampled a
> IIx, but the chances are he may have had access to a II or I library.
> Patrick has also started converting this library into Kontakt, but I can't
> recall if this sample is on there.
>
> Don't know how much help that has been but hope it has somehow.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rob.

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Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Looking for a sound

2012-10-06 by WT

Yeah, could be a Clap-Trap too !

Anyways, IMO it is not a CMI sound. Dolby didn´t have the CMI when this was 
recorded.

WT

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "carl heinz" <cbobbydazzle@yahoo.com>
To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Looking for a sound


The Dolby sub-sound noise sound is most likely from from an old Simmons clap 
trap...I'm sure because I owned one and it makes all kinds of noises other 
than claps which didn't really sound like claps at all.

--- On Sat, 10/6/12, WT <waveterm@telia.com> wrote:

From: WT <waveterm@telia.com>
Subject: Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Looking for a sound
To: Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 6, 2012, 1:24 AM

That sound is from the micromoog. It is just filtered noise.

Dolby didn´t use the CMI on One of our submarines.

WT

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JAddams" <jaddams80@yahoo.com>
To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Looking for a sound


mmm, thanks rob.

Gives me a good place to start. I did a search through the IIx library and
couldn't find it, so I suppose it must be I or II.
I've had a go at reproducing it without much luck so far :)

Jean-Luc

On 5 Oct 2012, at 18:32, Rob Puricelli <rob@failedmuso.plus.com> wrote:

> Off the top of my head, it's a sample called WHTNOIS, and is, essentially,
> a pitched white noise sample. I'm not sure if it was a factory library
> sample or something that came after. There are many variations on the
> factory library and some samples appeared briefly on some disks and not on
> others.
>
>
> I know this sound mainly due to my obsession with Dolby :-)
>
> But yes, WHTNOIS. I'm sure that's what it is called. Peter Vogel gave me
> some lists of library sounds so I'll dig through them.
>
> Come to think of it, it may have been a CMI Series I or II sample, as
> opposed to the IIx (I only have the IIx and III libraries and data here).
> Given the fact that the New Musik tracks you refer to were recorded in
> 1980, and TD's One Of Our Submarines was recorded circa '82, they preceded
> the IIx somewhat.
>
> I know for a fact that this sample appears on the Bitley Fairlight
> Platinum ReFill for Propellerhead Reason. I know that Patrick sampled a
> IIx, but the chances are he may have had access to a II or I library.
> Patrick has also started converting this library into Kontakt, but I can't
> recall if this sample is on there.
>
> Don't know how much help that has been but hope it has somehow.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rob.




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Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Looking for a sound

2012-10-08 by JAddams

This has been a great way to research how music is put together.

I've been digging as far as I can into the Dolby history and it seems he was using a PPG Wave computer called "Henry" at them time. Henry was replaced with a CMI when he fatally fell down a lift shaft on a US tour! He also references a clap sound which was used, this was a snare drum slowed down. He bought a simmons module (the clap trap?) and triggered it from the PPG. I'm now going through the PPG library and will keep you posted as to my results :)

The CMI was called "Henry the second".

Jean-Luc

Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Looking for a sound

2012-10-08 by WT

The PPG library you are looking through would be the Waveterm B sample 
library. This library has no relation to the Wavecomputer that TD was using. 
The library is of a much later heritage.

TD used the Simmons SDS-V on record and tours, being triggered by Henry.

WT

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JAddams" <jaddams80@yahoo.com>
To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Looking for a sound

This has been a great way to research how music is put together.

I've been digging as far as I can into the Dolby history and it seems he was 
using a PPG Wave computer called "Henry" at them time. Henry was replaced 
with a CMI when he fatally fell down a lift shaft on a US tour! He also 
references a clap sound which was used, this was a snare drum slowed down. 
He bought a simmons module (the clap trap?) and triggered it from the PPG. 
I'm now going through the PPG library and will keep you posted as to my 
results :)

The CMI was called "Henry the second".

Jean-Luc

R: [Fairlight-CMI] Looking for a sound

2012-10-11 by fabio delben

Hello,
it is very simple to produce such sound with a standard analog subtractive synth. You have to use white noise as source (vco off) trhu a standard LP filter with a high resonance,middle- high cutoff value not modulated at all, and a vca controlled by the adsr with no attack, but decay and release of your choice.
Ciao
Fabio 

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Im looking for a breathy/radar/sonar ping sound, which (I think) comes from the fairlight.

You can hear it being used in the following tracks:
Thomas Dolby - one of our submarines is missing - both as a breathy background and also as a higher pitched ping

used all over New Muzik albums
anywhere - areas - breathy ping
anywhere - world of water - breathy ping
anywhere - luxury - again the breathy ping
anywhere - while you wait - opens the track and is used throughout
anywhere - changing minds - clipped ping
- to be honest it looks like its used on every track...

anyone help?

Re: R: [Fairlight-CMI] Looking for a sound

2012-12-20 by jaddams80

Just to finish this one: I've got the sound!!!

Sampled myself into audacity and transferred to aif.

edited, Looped and tweaked (smoothed the sound a few times to reduce the higher frequencies)

added pan and pitch mod to get a more dynamic sound (both controlled by envelopes)

the generic envelopes are:
The Thomas Dolby version is attack and release of about 1 sec (1000ms) with full sustain
The New Musik version is attack of half a second (500ms), sustain of half and release of 750ms

Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Looking for a sound

2013-01-23 by JAddams

I know it was finished but here's a slight update

The actual fairlight sound is called WHISTLE.VC

I think it is a series 11 or possibly series 1?

It can be found on the ANALOG disk!

If anyone has more information on which series it comes from - my bet is 11? Definitely not 11x