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2009-06-08 by Steve
Is there a way to use the ExpressPCB software to print a mirror image of the board for toner transfer? I've looked through the software and its help file without finding anything about the topic. Thanks. Steve K8JQ -- Read The Patriot It's Right -- It's Free http://PatriotPost.US/subscribe/ Veritas vos Liberabit
2009-06-08 by Malcolm Parker-Lisberg
Save a copy of the board, if it is two sided, under another name. Using the renamed copy, first print only the bottom layer, it comes out reversed for use with TT. Delete the bottom layer and if you move all the top layer to the bottom layer you can now print that out and it will be reversed for TT. --- On Mon, 6/8/09, Steve <steve65@...> wrote:
From: Steve <steve65@...>
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] ExpressPCB software mirror image?
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 1:07 AM
Is there a way to use the ExpressPCB software to print a mirror image of
the board for toner transfer? I've looked through the software and its
help file without finding anything about the topic.
Thanks.
Steve K8JQ
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2009-06-10 by Steve
Thanks for the help Malcolm. The board was developed by someone else and I'm getting the ExpressPCB info from his web site. The board is two-sided. I am able to print the bottom layer as you suggest and it is mirrored. And then I can delete the bottom layer. Moving the top layer to the bottom layer has not been successful as of yet. Much of the top layer will move to the bottom layer, but every pad stays on top. Is there a property that is set or perhaps something else that prevents the pads from moving to the bottom layer? Thanks, Steve K8JQ Malcolm Parker-Lisberg wrote: > Save a copy of the board, if it is two sided, under another name. Using the renamed copy, first print only the bottom layer, it comes out reversed for use with TT. Delete the bottom layer and if you move all the top layer to the bottom layer you can now print that out and it will be reversed for TT. > > > > --- On Mon, 6/8/09, Steve <steve65@...> wrote: > > From: Steve <steve65@...> > Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] ExpressPCB software mirror image? > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 1:07 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a way to use the ExpressPCB software to print a mirror image of > > the board for toner transfer? I've looked through the software and its > > help file without finding anything about the topic. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Steve K8JQ > > > > -- Read The Patriot It's Right -- It's Free http://PatriotPost.US/subscribe/ Veritas vos Liberabit
2009-06-10 by Malcolm Parker-Lisberg
Pads, unless surface mount pads, or specified as one layer only, appear on all track layers. Do a little experimental circuit with surface mount pads, through hole pads and non symmetrical text to see the effect. I have attached a pcb with top surface mount component, top tracks, text and through components. If you select it all and move it to the bottom layer then print out the bottom layer, all is ok, except the surface mount component does not appear. If your board has surface mount components you need to find the printer driver that pretends it's a pdf printer and print to that, by making it your default printer, to produce a PDF of the board. You can then reverse that by printing from a pdf reader programme. Non 1:1 scaling can be a result of this process and you may need to alter the printer scaling to get it the right size. If you are using photo sensitised board the problem is reversed as you need the emulsion surface to print toner to ensure the best resolution. Some printers have a transparency option and will print in reverse when this option is selected. --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Steve <steve65@suddenlink.net> wrote:
From: Steve <steve65@...>
Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] ExpressPCB software mirror image?
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 12:49 PM
Thanks for the help Malcolm.
The board was developed by someone else and I'm getting the ExpressPCB
info from his web site. The board is two-sided.
I am able to print the bottom layer as you suggest and it is mirrored.
And then I can delete the bottom layer.
Moving the top layer to the bottom layer has not been successful as of
yet. Much of the top layer will move to the bottom layer, but every pad
stays on top. Is there a property that is set or perhaps something else
that prevents the pads from moving to the bottom layer?
Thanks,
Steve K8JQ
Malcolm Parker-Lisberg wrote:
> Save a copy of the board, if it is two sided, under another name. Using the renamed copy, first print only the bottom layer, it comes out reversed for use with TT. Delete the bottom layer and if you move all the top layer to the bottom layer you can now print that out and it will be reversed for TT.
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2009-06-11 by Steve
Thanks again Malcolm. I can print with a pdf driver and produce a pdf document. Still trying to figure out how to flip or mirror image it for printing on a non-Post Script printer. If anyone knows how to do that, I'd like to hear of it. Steve K8JQ Malcolm Parker-Lisberg wrote: > Pads, unless surface mount pads, or specified as one layer only, appear on all track layers. Do a little experimental circuit with surface mount pads, through hole pads and non symmetrical text to see the effect. I have attached a pcb with top surface mount component, top tracks, text and through components. If you select it all and move it to the bottom layer then print out the bottom layer, all is ok, except the surface mount component does not appear. > If your board has surface mount components you need to find the printer driver that pretends it's a pdf printer and print to that, by making it your default printer, to produce a PDF of the board. You can then reverse that by printing from a pdf reader programme. Non 1:1 scaling can be a result of this process and you may need to alter the printer scaling to get it the right size. > If you are using photo sensitised board the problem is reversed as you need the emulsion surface to print toner to ensure the best resolution. Some printers have a transparency option and will print in reverse when this option is selected. > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Steve <steve65@...> wrote: > > From: Steve <steve65@...> > Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] ExpressPCB software mirror image? > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 12:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the help Malcolm. > > > > The board was developed by someone else and I'm getting the ExpressPCB > > info from his web site. The board is two-sided. > > > > I am able to print the bottom layer as you suggest and it is mirrored. > > And then I can delete the bottom layer. > > > > Moving the top layer to the bottom layer has not been successful as of > > yet. Much of the top layer will move to the bottom layer, but every pad > > stays on top. Is there a property that is set or perhaps something else > > that prevents the pads from moving to the bottom layer? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Steve K8JQ > > > > Malcolm Parker-Lisberg wrote: > > >> Save a copy of the board, if it is two sided, under another name. Using the renamed copy, first print only the bottom layer, it comes out reversed for use with TT. Delete the bottom layer and if you move all the top layer to the bottom layer you can now print that out and it will be reversed for TT. >> > > > > > > > > >> --- On Mon, 6/8/09, Steve <steve65@suddenlink. net> wrote: >> > > > > >> From: Steve <steve65@suddenlink. net> >> > > >> Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] ExpressPCB software mirror image? >> > > >> To: Homebrew_PCBs@ yahoogroups. com >> > > >> Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 1:07 AM >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > >> Is there a way to use the ExpressPCB software to print a mirror image of >> > > > > >> the board for toner transfer? I've looked through the software and its >> > > > > >> help file without finding anything about the topic. >> > > > > > > > > >> Thanks. >> > > > > > > > > >> Steve K8JQ >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > -- Read The Patriot It's Right -- It's Free http://PatriotPost.US/subscribe/ Veritas vos Liberabit
2009-06-11 by Malcolm Parker-Lisberg
In Adobe reader 8 do the following to mirror the image: Choose Tools > Advanced Editing > TouchUp Object tool. Select the object, (put a box round it by positioning the arrow at the top left, hod down left mouse key and move to bottom right. Right-click/Control-click the selection, and choose the following: Flip Horizontal, Flip Vertical Flip Horizontal flips the image horizontally, on the vertical axis. Flipping text blocks horizontally creates a mirror effect. Flip Vertical flips the image vertically, on the horizontal axis. and away you go --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Steve <steve65@suddenlink.net> wrote:
From: Steve <steve65@...>
Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] ExpressPCB software mirror image?
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 2:24 AM
Thanks again Malcolm.
I can print with a pdf driver and produce a pdf document. Still trying
to figure out how to flip or mirror image it for printing on a non-Post
Script printer. If anyone knows how to do that, I'd like to hear of it.
Steve K8JQ
Malcolm Parker-Lisberg wrote:
> Pads, unless surface mount pads, or specified as one layer only, appear on all track layers. Do a little experimental circuit with surface mount pads, through hole pads and non symmetrical text to see the effect. I have attached a pcb with top surface mount component, top tracks, text and through components. If you select it all and move it to the bottom layer then print out the bottom layer, all is ok, except the surface mount component does not appear.
> If your board has surface mount components you need to find the printer driver that pretends it's a pdf printer and print to that, by making it your default printer, to produce a PDF of the board. You can then reverse that by printing from a pdf reader programme. Non 1:1 scaling can be a result of this process and you may need to alter the printer scaling to get it the right size.
> If you are using photo sensitised board the problem is reversed as you need the emulsion surface to print toner to ensure the best resolution. Some printers have a transparency option and will print in reverse when this option is selected.
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2009-06-11 by Steve
Malcolm, I have Adobe Reader 8.1.5. The Tools menu has three choices (Select & Zoom, Object Data and Customize Toolbars) but Advanced Editing is not among them. Perhaps Advanced Editing is available in Acrobat but not the reader? Steve Malcolm Parker-Lisberg wrote: > In Adobe reader 8 do the following to mirror the image: > Choose Tools > Advanced Editing > TouchUp Object tool. > Select the object, (put a box round it by positioning the arrow at the top left, hod down left mouse key and move to bottom right. Right-click/Control-click the selection, and choose the following: > Flip Horizontal, > Flip Vertical > > Flip Horizontal flips the image horizontally, on the vertical axis. Flipping > text blocks horizontally creates a mirror effect. Flip Vertical flips the image > vertically, on the horizontal axis. > and away you go > > > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Steve <steve65@...> wrote: > > From: Steve <steve65@...> > Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] ExpressPCB software mirror image? > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 2:24 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again Malcolm. > > > > I can print with a pdf driver and produce a pdf document. Still trying > > to figure out how to flip or mirror image it for printing on a non-Post > > Script printer. If anyone knows how to do that, I'd like to hear of it. > > > > Steve K8JQ > > > > Malcolm Parker-Lisberg wrote: > > >> Pads, unless surface mount pads, or specified as one layer only, appear on all track layers. Do a little experimental circuit with surface mount pads, through hole pads and non symmetrical text to see the effect. I have attached a pcb with top surface mount component, top tracks, text and through components. If you select it all and move it to the bottom layer then print out the bottom layer, all is ok, except the surface mount component does not appear. >> > > >> If your board has surface mount components you need to find the printer driver that pretends it's a pdf printer and print to that, by making it your default printer, to produce a PDF of the board. You can then reverse that by printing from a pdf reader programme. Non 1:1 scaling can be a result of this process and you may need to alter the printer scaling to get it the right size. >> > > >> If you are using photo sensitised board the problem is reversed as you need the emulsion surface to print toner to ensure the best resolution. Some printers have a transparency option and will print in reverse when this option is selected. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Steve <steve65@suddenlink. net> wrote: >> > > > > >> From: Steve <steve65@suddenlink. net> >> > > >> Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] ExpressPCB software mirror image? >> > > >> To: Homebrew_PCBs@ yahoogroups. com >> > > >> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 12:49 PM >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > >> Thanks for the help Malcolm. >> > > > > > > > > >> The board was developed by someone else and I'm getting the ExpressPCB >> > > > > >> info from his web site. The board is two-sided. >> > > > > > > > > >> I am able to print the bottom layer as you suggest and it is mirrored. >> > > > > >> And then I can delete the bottom layer. >> > > > > > > > > >> Moving the top layer to the bottom layer has not been successful as of >> > > > > >> yet. Much of the top layer will move to the bottom layer, but every pad >> > > > > >> stays on top. Is there a property that is set or perhaps something else >> > > > > >> that prevents the pads from moving to the bottom layer? >> > > > > > > > > >> Thanks, >> > > > > > > > > >> Steve K8JQ >> > > > > > > > > >> Malcolm Parker-Lisberg wrote: >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> Save a copy of the board, if it is two sided, under another name. Using the renamed copy, first print only the bottom layer, it comes out reversed for use with TT. Delete the bottom layer and if you move all the top layer to the bottom layer you can now print that out and it will be reversed for TT. >>> > > >>> >>> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> --- On Mon, 6/8/09, Steve <steve65@suddenlink . net> wrote: >>> > > >>> >>> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> From: Steve <steve65@suddenlink . net> >>> > > >>> >>> > > > > >> >> > > >>> Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] ExpressPCB software mirror image? >>> > > >>> >>> > > > > >> >> > > >>> To: Homebrew_PCBs@ yahoogroups. com >>> > > >>> >>> > > > > >> >> > > >>> Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 1:07 AM >>> > > >>> >>> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > > > >> >> > > >>> Is there a way to use the ExpressPCB software to print a mirror image of >>> > > >>> >>> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> the board for toner transfer? I've looked through the software and its >>> > > >>> >>> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> help file without finding anything about the topic. >>> > > >>> >>> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> Thanks. >>> > > >>> >>> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> Steve K8JQ >>> > > >>> >>> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > -- Read The Patriot It's Right -- It's Free http://PatriotPost.US/subscribe/ Veritas vos Liberabit
2009-06-11 by Donald H Locker
You might try one of the free (free of cost and free of legal encumberances) pdf reader/editors. Many of them support such simple operations as reversal. Check the listings on <en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PDF_software> and at <http://pdfreaders.org/> I use Foxit, Evince and GhostView, depending on circumstances and need. HTH, Donald.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" <steve65@...> To: "Homebrew PCBs" <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:08:08 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] ExpressPCB software mirror image? Malcolm, I have Adobe Reader 8.1.5. The Tools menu has three choices (Select & Zoom, Object Data and Customize Toolbars) but Advanced Editing is not among them. Perhaps Advanced Editing is available in Acrobat but not the reader? Steve Malcolm Parker-Lisberg wrote: > In Adobe reader 8 do the following to mirror the image: > Choose Tools > Advanced Editing > TouchUp Object tool. > Select the object, (put a box round it by positioning the arrow at the top left, hod down left mouse key and move to bottom right. Right-click/Control-click the selection, and choose the following: > Flip Horizontal, > Flip Vertical > > Flip Horizontal flips the image horizontally, on the vertical axis. Flipping > text blocks horizontally creates a mirror effect. Flip Vertical flips the image > vertically, on the horizontal axis. > and away you go > > > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Steve <steve65@...> wrote: > > From: Steve <steve65@...> > Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] ExpressPCB software mirror image? > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 2:24 AM > > > [snip]
2009-06-12 by kabowers@NorthState.net
On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 20:07:33 -0400, you wrote: >Is there a way to use the ExpressPCB software to print a mirror image of >the board for toner transfer? I've looked through the software and its >help file without finding anything about the topic. > >Thanks. > >Steve K8JQ 1. Look at the advanced printing options for your printer. Mirroring is often hidden in the PostScript options. or 2. Get a copy of CutePDF reader, it loads as a virtual printer and converts whatever you print into a PDF file. You can use the advanced PostScript options to create a mirrored Postscript file that can be printed by anything that can handle PDF files. And it's free 8-). href="http://www.cutepdf.com/" I use CutePDF Writer to mirror the top silk layer from FreePCB => Gerbview on a regular basis. Just check that each step is set to print the images 1:1.
2009-06-13 by RICHARD HEILIGER
I have tried moving the graphic images from the express pcb program into several other graphic programs. The scaling seems to be different between them and I usually ended up with a top pattern that didn't match the bottom pattern. The only way I have found to be accurate is that I use the DXF output for my top silk screen layer, I invert it in a cad program. Unfortunately the DXF output will not output the top copper layer. I gave up and now use the free pcb programs from Eagle or DipTrace for double sided boards. Both have the ability to print any layer. I think the libraries in either are a pain to use, and end up making most of my own components. Rd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-06-13 by DJ Delorie
"RICHARD HEILIGER" <rdheiliger@...> writes: > I gave up and now use the free pcb programs from Eagle or DipTrace > for double sided boards. Both have the ability to print any layer. I > think the libraries in either are a pain to use, and end up making > most of my own components. Have you tried gEDA's PCB? It has export options specifically designed for toner transfer.
2009-06-13 by Myc Holmes
Or even the free version of DIPTRACE? www,diptrace.com The print preview function has all the bells and whisltes. Myc On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 1:54 AM, DJ Delorie <dj@...> wrote: > > > > "RICHARD HEILIGER" <rdheiliger@... <rdheiliger%40msn.com>> writes: > > I gave up and now use the free pcb programs from Eagle or DipTrace > > for double sided boards. Both have the ability to print any layer. I > > think the libraries in either are a pain to use, and end up making > > most of my own components. > > Have you tried gEDA's PCB? It has export options specifically > designed for toner transfer. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-06-14 by Steve
Richard, Does DipTrace have the ability to print mirror images? I see the free version has a 250 pin limit. Looking around the web site, I did not find a definition of "pin." What does it mean? Thanks. Steve K8JQ RICHARD HEILIGER wrote: > I have tried moving the graphic images from the express pcb program into several other graphic programs. The scaling seems to be different between them and I usually ended up with a top pattern that didn't match the bottom pattern. The only way I have found to be accurate is that I use the DXF output for my top silk screen layer, I invert it in a cad program. Unfortunately the DXF output will not output the top copper layer. > > I gave up and now use the free pcb programs from Eagle or DipTrace for double sided boards. Both have the ability to print any layer. I think the libraries in either are a pain to use, and end up making most of my own components. > > Rd > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and Photos: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > -- Read The Patriot Post hppt://PatriotPost.US/Subscribe/ Vetitas vos Liberabit
2009-06-14 by Steve
Not too long ago I looked at gEDA PCB but . . . it's another operating system (LINUX) to learn and another windowing system (X11) to learn, in addition to learning gEDA PCB itself. Seemed a daunting task and so I kept looking. It's been a while and I'm still casting about for software with which to make PCB's :-\ Steve K8JQ DJ Delorie wrote: > "RICHARD HEILIGER" <rdheiliger@...> writes: > >> I gave up and now use the free pcb programs from Eagle or DipTrace >> for double sided boards. Both have the ability to print any layer. I >> think the libraries in either are a pain to use, and end up making >> most of my own components. >> > > Have you tried gEDA's PCB? It has export options specifically > designed for toner transfer. > > > ------------------------------------ > > Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and Photos: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > -- Read The Patriot Post hppt://PatriotPost.US/Subscribe/ Vetitas vos Liberabit
2009-06-14 by DJ Delorie
Steve <steve65@...> writes: > Not too long ago I looked at gEDA PCB but . . . it's another operating > system (LINUX) to learn and another windowing system (X11) to learn, in > addition to learning gEDA PCB itself. Seemed a daunting task and so I > kept looking. gEDA/PCB runs under Linux, Unix, Windows, and Mac OS X.
2009-06-14 by Myc Holmes
"Pins" equals legs on a component. Resistor and capacitors have 2,etc. Rather than set a limit on the physical size of the board for the free version (like EAGLE). DIPTRACE uses the total number of "pins". You can get a free upgrade to 500 pins by sending an email to support@... and say you saw the offer here. Note: these "free" versions are for non-commercial use only.You can purchase licenses for other versions with up to unlimited number of pins on the DipTrace website. Look at the order page ont eh website,www.diptrace.com Myc Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Steve <steve65@...> wrote: > > > > Richard, > > Does DipTrace have the ability to print mirror images? > > I see the free version has a 250 pin limit. Looking around the web site, > I did not find a definition of "pin." What does it mean? > > Thanks. > > Steve K8JQ > > > RICHARD HEILIGER wrote: > > I have tried moving the graphic images from the express pcb program into > several other graphic programs. The scaling seems to be different between > them and I usually ended up with a top pattern that didn't match the bottom > pattern. The only way I have found to be accurate is that I use the DXF > output for my top silk screen layer, I invert it in a cad program. > Unfortunately the DXF output will not output the top copper layer. > > > > I gave up and now use the free pcb programs from Eagle or DipTrace for > double sided boards. Both have the ability to print any layer. I think the > libraries in either are a pain to use, and end up making most of my own > components. > > > > Rd > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and > Photos: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Read The Patriot Post > hppt://PatriotPost.US/Subscribe/ Vetitas vos Liberabit > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-06-14 by kabowers@NorthState.net
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 23:37:20 -0400, you wrote: >Not too long ago I looked at gEDA PCB but . . . it's another operating >system (LINUX) to learn and another windowing system (X11) to learn, in >addition to learning gEDA PCB itself. Seemed a daunting task and so I > I use gEDA gschem on Linux for the schematic and then FreePCB on WinDoz for the PCB. IIRC you have to manually change the first line of the gschem netlist to "*PADS-PCB*" (without the quotes) for FreePCB to recognize it. I don't use netlists as I haven't synched a few of the gschem and FreePCB symbols. href="http://www.freepcb.com/" You are probably going to have to create a LOT of symbols no matter which layout package you get.
2009-06-14 by Harvey White
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 23:37:20 -0400, you wrote: Eagle is not that bad, especially when you consider that it's not really made for the windows environment. Version 5 is decent enough, works, and libraries are not that bad once you understand how they work. That said, if you don't like it, then that's that. No other suggestions to offer, although I have made PC boards with corel draw. Possible, but you have to have your own libraries (of course), no ratsnest, no schematic capture. Harvey
>Not too long ago I looked at gEDA PCB but . . . it's another operating >system (LINUX) to learn and another windowing system (X11) to learn, in >addition to learning gEDA PCB itself. Seemed a daunting task and so I >kept looking. > >It's been a while and I'm still casting about for software with which to >make PCB's :-\ > >Steve K8JQ > >DJ Delorie wrote: >> "RICHARD HEILIGER" <rdheiliger@...> writes: >> >>> I gave up and now use the free pcb programs from Eagle or DipTrace >>> for double sided boards. Both have the ability to print any layer. I >>> think the libraries in either are a pain to use, and end up making >>> most of my own components. >>> >> >> Have you tried gEDA's PCB? It has export options specifically >> designed for toner transfer. >> >>
2009-06-14 by Daniel Johnson
Last time I check Eagle was the only free PCB layout program that had schematic capture. You draw the schematic and the program ensures the PCB layout matches the schematic. Once you have schematic capture you will not want to do without it. Well worth the extra time it takes to learn Eagle. --- On Sun, 6/14/09, Harvey White <madyn@...> wrote:
From: Harvey White <madyn@...>
Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: ExpressPCB software mirror image?
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 4:03 PM
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 23:37:20 -0400, you wrote:
Eagle is not that bad, especially when you consider that it's not
really made for the windows environment. Version 5 is decent enough,
works, and libraries are not that bad once you understand how they
work.
That said, if you don't like it, then that's that. No other
suggestions to offer, although I have made PC boards with corel draw.
Possible, but you have to have your own libraries (of course), no
ratsnest, no schematic capture.
Harvey
>Not too long ago I looked at gEDA PCB but . . . it's another operating
>system (LINUX) to learn and another windowing system (X11) to learn, in
>addition to learning gEDA PCB itself. Seemed a daunting task and so I
>kept looking.
>
>It's been a while and I'm still casting about for software with which to
>make PCB's :-\
>
>Steve K8JQ
>
>DJ Delorie wrote:
>> "RICHARD HEILIGER" <rdheiliger@msn. com> writes:
>>
>>> I gave up and now use the free pcb programs from Eagle or DipTrace
>>> for double sided boards. Both have the ability to print any layer. I
>>> think the libraries in either are a pain to use, and end up making
>>> most of my own components.
>>>
>>
>> Have you tried gEDA's PCB? It has export options specifically
>> designed for toner transfer.
>>
>>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2009-06-14 by leon Heller
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Johnson" <a3v03v0@...> To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: ExpressPCB software mirror image? Last time I check Eagle was the only free PCB layout program that had schematic capture. KiCAD? Leon
2009-06-14 by RICHARD HEILIGER
Both DipTrace and Eagle do mirror images. DipTrace does it in the preview window, where you can turn on or off whatever layers you wish, and mirror image any of them. In Eagle you need to turn off what ever layers you do not need to print then go to the print window. In Eagles print window you can mirror and scale the printout. I have been tempted to play with the scale, one can do both x and y axis scale. Since toner xfer shrinks a bit, I have wondered if I could scale to get accurate enough a board to CNC drill the holes. I would predrill the blank board, then mess with the scale and transfer till I got a match. RD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-06-14 by a3v03v0
Richard, I can tell you it works because I am doing it with a HP1020 laser printer and a MAXNC-10 mill. I use Eagle to layout the PCB. There is a ULP called PCB-GCODE to generate G-CODE for the CNC mill. Once I have the drilled PCB I use toner transfer to etch one side at a time masking the other. To get the alignment it the ball park I insert stick pins in a hole on two diagonal corners, then fine tune under a bright light. Daniel Johnson aka 3v0 --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "RICHARD HEILIGER" <rdheiliger@...> wrote: > >I have wondered if I could scale to get accurate enough a board to CNC drill the holes. I would predrill the blank board, then mess with the scale and transfer till I got a match.
> > RD > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2009-06-16 by RICHARD HEILIGER
Daniel, Thanks for the info on CNC drilling. I do have PCB-Gcode, and am in that group. Have never tried it. I used the output from DipTrace. DipTrace can directly output the drill file that I use in my CNC. It also will output a file for isolation routing in .dxf format. My CNC software will use the .dxf file to do isolation routing. My home made CNC linear bearings are a bit sloppy and I couldn't get the depth of cut consistent enough to get good isolation routing results. But, the drill file works extremely well. Will have to give it a try on the next board. Sure would be better than being cross eyed for an hour :-). I use a light table I made back when I did tape up layouts for photo reduction, to align the patterns when I do double sided. I have done several double sided boards by taping one end of the toner patterns on a scrap of board, then aligning them on the light table, slide the blank board between the patterns, then feed thru my laminator. I get good transfer on both sides at the same time. RD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-06-16 by Daniel Johnson
Richard, The MAXNC mill could route the board. Toner transfer is faster because I was making about 12 PCB of each type for a class i was teaching. Let me know if the pouch alignment methods with predrilled holes. Good luck. Daniel --- On Tue, 6/16/09, RICHARD HEILIGER <rdheiliger@...> wrote:
From: RICHARD HEILIGER <rdheiliger@...>
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: ExpressPCB software mirror image?
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 4:31 AM
Daniel,
Thanks for the info on CNC drilling.
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