Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

Problem:
I have 20 years as a song writer and indie producer. I always worked 
on the edge of the mainstream - groups like Soul coughing, talking 
Head, the Cure etc. In my earlier days I was very experimental - 
david Torn, Laurie Andersen, david Sylvian.

Now I write more conscise songs. my somgs are better lyrically and 
musically, but the I lost much of the adventure is sound design in 
my production.

Here is my work flow:

acoustic guitar and a notebook in a cafe - basic song structure

create a simple drum template and bass line in logic

add scratch vocal

this is where it goes wrong.

I am relying on my laurals. guitar melodies and textures, keyboard 
parts sound too reminiscent of my highschool days
think new wave

I try dropping drum loops

it sounds forced

what are you guys doing that I might find helpful?

Joe B

Problem:
I have 20 years as a song writer and indie producer. I always worked 
on the edge of the mainstream - groups like Soul coughing, talking 
Head, the Cure etc. In my earlier days I was very experimental - 
david Torn, Laurie Andersen, david Sylvian.

Now I write more conscise songs. my somgs are better lyrically and 
musically, but the I lost much of the adventure is sound design in 
my production.

Here is my work flow:

acoustic guitar and a notebook in a cafe - basic song structure

create a simple drum template and bass line in logic

add scratch vocal

this is where it goes wrong.

I am relying on my laurals. guitar melodies and textures, keyboard 
parts sound too reminiscent of my highschool days
think new wave

I try dropping drum loops

it sounds forced

what are you guys doing that I might find helpful?

Joe B

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Bartone" <joebartone@...> wrote:
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> Problem:
> I have 20 years as a song writer and indie producer. I always worked 
> on the edge of the mainstream - groups like Soul coughing, talking 
> Head, the Cure etc. In my earlier days I was very experimental - 
> david Torn, Laurie Andersen, david Sylvian.
> 
> Now I write more conscise songs. my somgs are better lyrically and 
> musically, but the I lost much of the adventure is sound design in 
> my production.
> 
> Here is my work flow:
> 
> acoustic guitar and a notebook in a cafe - basic song structure
> 
> create a simple drum template and bass line in logic
> 
> add scratch vocal
> 
> this is where it goes wrong.
> 
> I am relying on my laurals. guitar melodies and textures, keyboard 
> parts sound too reminiscent of my highschool days
> think new wave
> 
> I try dropping drum loops
> 
> it sounds forced
> 
> what are you guys doing that I might find helpful?
> 
> Joe B
>

Hi Joe, just a quick idea, but try recording guitar, sans click, then record the bass to that, 
after you have built the bones of the track, tempo/beat map to the tempo (easiest if you 
have pro7, but still possible otherwise, just a bit awkward). Now add the drums, see what 
happens!
Hope this helps, Mike

Now that would be a new idea for me

Thanks mike

On 7/22/06 2:32 AM, "mt100uk" <miketaylor100@...> wrote:

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> --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Logic_Cafe%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Joseph Bartone" <joebartone@...> wrote:
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>> > Problem:
>> > I have 20 years as a song writer and indie producer. I always worked
>> > on the edge of the mainstream - groups like Soul coughing, talking
>> > Head, the Cure etc. In my earlier days I was very experimental -
>> > david Torn, Laurie Andersen, david Sylvian.
>> > 
>> > Now I write more conscise songs. my somgs are better lyrically and
>> > musically, but the I lost much of the adventure is sound design in
>> > my production.
>> > 
>> > Here is my work flow:
>> > 
>> > acoustic guitar and a notebook in a cafe - basic song structure
>> > 
>> > create a simple drum template and bass line in logic
>> > 
>> > add scratch vocal
>> > 
>> > this is where it goes wrong.
>> > 
>> > I am relying on my laurals. guitar melodies and textures, keyboard
>> > parts sound too reminiscent of my highschool days
>> > think new wave
>> > 
>> > I try dropping drum loops
>> > 
>> > it sounds forced
>> > 
>> > what are you guys doing that I might find helpful?
>> > 
>> > Joe B
>> >
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> Hi Joe, just a quick idea, but try recording guitar, sans click, then record
> the bass to that,
> after you have built the bones of the track, tempo/beat map to the tempo
> (easiest if you 
> have pro7, but still possible otherwise, just a bit awkward). Now add the
> drums, see what 
> happens!
> Hope this helps, Mike
> 
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>

Thanks greg

Good idea
I will use it

On 7/22/06 12:49 AM, "GAmoore@..." <GAmoore@...> wrote:

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> its not trivial at all to get things together. I think you need to make some
> sort of scratch track with or without a beat. Then use that to find or make an
> appropriate beat and get the tempo and timing. Then go back and record it for
> real.
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> However, its easier to just record to kick drum beats on every quarter note,
> and keep a steady tempo. then perhaps later shift the speed up a little bit.
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> then add other tracks. and then consider dropping out your original good
> guitar track at places or entirely or not at all.
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> Greg 
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