Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

Hi All,
Does anyone here use Ableton live?

I recorded a Bass Player the other day and tried the Factory > Quantize Engine feature and 
had awful results. I really don't know if it's because i'm not getting the params correct or if 
this is a feature in Logic that has never worked well and nobody uses. The params i'm 
referring to are 'attack range', 'smooth release', etc. Don't think using the slice feature for a 4 
min bass track is the right approach...(?) 

Further, was using a quantize template i created from a Stylus loop which worked great for 
other midi parts but not the audio.

If anyone has suggestions on what i may be doing wrong, let me know thanks!
but was thinking maybe another app. like  Ableton Live might handle this chore better. 

thanks for any input or advice on this.

all best, Tom

On 16/11/2006, at 3:02 AM, tomdcarden wrote:

> If anyone has suggestions on what i may be doing wrong, let me know  
> thanks!
> but was thinking maybe another app. like  Ableton Live might handle  
> this chore better.

The best solution is to turn the audio into an apple loop. If the  
audio is too long cut it into smaller segments. In Apple loop utility  
you can specify every 16th marker. It sounds pretty good too...


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Paul Najar
Jaminajar Music Production
www.jaminajar.com



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Paul thanks,
i just tried but wasn't able to do.

i selected the audio file, and chose 'Open In Apple Loops Utility.'

Once opened, i don't see where it actually works on, or quantizes the audio data. i saw the 
transients pane, but didn't see that if affected the audio file. Let me know if i'm missing 
something. Also, once saved i didn't see it show up in the Loop Browser.

FYI - Lately, with just 1 or 2 mouse clicks, have been creating Quanitze Groove Templates 
from Stylus loops that are in the Arrange window. After creating, they immediately show 
up in the Quantize pull-down menu. It just sounds so excellent to semi-quantize (of fully) 
the Trilogy bass line using the newly created quantize template extracted Stylus. Would 
like to then, record live players, percussionsts, bass players etc.  and have available this 
same Quantize template to work on the audio as needed. 

This seems like a reasonable request but can't seem to figure out how to do this. 

also, tried using 'Strip Silence' function to nudge slices around via a quantize template but 
that doesn't seem possible either. 

Tom

www.hearnowproductions.net



--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Paul Najar <pnajar@...> wrote:

>
> On 16/11/2006, at 3:02 AM, tomdcarden wrote:
> 
> > If anyone has suggestions on what i may be doing wrong, let me know  
> > thanks!
> > but was thinking maybe another app. like  Ableton Live might handle  
> > this chore better.
> 
> The best solution is to turn the audio into an apple loop. If the  
> audio is too long cut it into smaller segments. In Apple loop utility  
> you can specify every 16th marker. It sounds pretty good too...
> 
> 
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> Paul Najar
> Jaminajar Music Production
> www.jaminajar.com
> 
> 
> 
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>

On 16/11/2006, at 3:06 PM, tomdcarden wrote:

> Paul thanks,
> i just tried but wasn't able to do.
>
> i selected the audio file, and chose 'Open In Apple Loops Utility.'
>
> Once opened, i don't see where it actually works on, or quantizes  
> the audio data. i saw the
> transients pane, but didn't see that if affected the audio file.  
> Let me know if i'm missing
> something. Also, once saved i didn't see it show up in the Loop  
> Browser.

You drag the transients around to coincide with each 16 note of the  
groove. So if for EG it's a bass line and there's a bass note on beat  
"one and" and the transient is not right on the the attack of the  
bass note drag it so it is. That's all you have to do. It takes care  
of the rest. Whan that apple loop plays back in logic that hand set  
transient will correspond with logic's currently set quantise  
template - weather it's a standard one or one of your custom ones.

> FYI - Lately, with just 1 or 2 mouse clicks, have been creating  
> Quanitze Groove Templates
> from Stylus loops that are in the Arrange window. After creating,  
> they immediately show
> up in the Quantize pull-down menu. It just sounds so excellent to  
> semi-quantize (of fully)
> the Trilogy bass line using the newly created quantize template  
> extracted Stylus. Would
> like to then, record live players, percussionsts, bass players  
> etc.  and have available this
> same Quantize template to work on the audio as needed.

Follow the instructions and this is fully possible. Also, Logic's  
"Quantise Audio" function within the time machine has always been  
fully crap IMO.

The other thing you can play with that's very useful but generally  
only with 'Apple Loop" other pretty tight audio is the Grooveshifter  
Plugin in the Special submenu.

> This seems like a reasonable request but can't seem to figure out  
> how to do this.
>
> also, tried using 'Strip Silence' function to nudge slices around  
> via a quantize template but
> that doesn't seem possible either.

That is possible but you have to do the quantising in the event list.  
This has also been a useful technique for me at times.

Kind regards


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Paul Najar
Jaminajar Music Production
www.jaminajar.com



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