Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

Hi..

I am about to buy a new pair of Studio Monitor Headphones.  I was wondering what people are using and what people suggest is a good buy?

Now I don't want cheap ala $30 pairs.. but I also don't wanna spend my life savings <grin> 
I prefer over the ear models.. Don't like the ear bud style and the styles/designs that sit on the ear and "crush" the ears - I find that both these are hard to wear for long periods.

I have had Sennheiser and AKG brands recommended as a starting place but there re others out there that are also worth looking into.

Any advice would be appreciated..

NB I live in New Zealand so major brands are what I need not some local knock off etc...   I will need to buy locally or I guess via ebay/amazon or something.

Steve Currington
Wellington, New Zealand

Hello Steve,
You have not said whether you will be using them for tracking or mixing?

Obviously closed back phones are better for tracking/monitoring, as  
they reduce spill onto mics, especially for vocals, but I have always  
found open back phones easier to listen through for long periods, and  
definitely better for judging a mix.

I would recommend going for Sennheiser Beyer, or AKG whichever you  
choose, as even their low end models will have the benefit of their  
R&D experience. Generally avoid phones aimed at the iPod market as  
they often have a "larger than life" sound.

I am using;
Open for mixing reference
Sennheiser  430, now discontinued, but very familar as I've had them  
for 20 years+
Sennheiser 565 Ovation

Closed for singer monitoring
Sennheiser HD250 linear

Closed for loud drummers
Beyer DT150 (very similar to the DT100s, but with a more open top end)

I assume these should all be available in NZ?
-- 
Best Wishes
Steve Coates

Listen to The Drop at;
http://www.TheDrop.biz




On 27 Mar 2009, at 10:52, Steve Currington wrote:

> Hi..
>
> I am about to buy a new pair of Studio Monitor Headphones.  I was  
> wondering what people are using and what people suggest is a good buy?
>
> Now I don't want cheap ala $30 pairs.. but I also don't wanna spend  
> my life savings <grin>
> I prefer over the ear models.. Don't like the ear bud style and the  
> styles/designs that sit on the ear and "crush" the ears - I find  
> that both these are hard to wear for long periods.
>
> I have had Sennheiser and AKG brands recommended as a starting place  
> but there re others out there that are also worth looking into.
>
> Any advice would be appreciated..
>
> NB I live in New Zealand so major brands are what I need not some  
> local knock off etc...   I will need to buy locally or I guess via  
> ebay/amazon or something.
>
> Steve Currington
> Wellington, New Zealand
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>



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Hi..
Sorry for Mixing mainly.
Not for any performer but for me when using Logic.

Stephen Currington
de Composer
Wellington, New Zealand


On 28/03/2009, at 12:40 AM, The Drop wrote:

> Hello Steve,
> You have not said whether you will be using them for tracking or  
> mixing?
>
> Obviously closed back phones are better for tracking/monitoring, as
> they reduce spill onto mics, especially for vocals, but I have always
> found open back phones easier to listen through for long periods, and
> definitely better for judging a mix.
>
> I would recommend going for Sennheiser Beyer, or AKG whichever you
> choose, as even their low end models will have the benefit of their
> R&D experience. Generally avoid phones aimed at the iPod market as
> they often have a "larger than life" sound.
>
> I am using;
> Open for mixing reference
> Sennheiser 430, now discontinued, but very familar as I've had them
> for 20 years+
> Sennheiser 565 Ovation
>
> Closed for singer monitoring
> Sennheiser HD250 linear
>
> Closed for loud drummers
> Beyer DT150 (very similar to the DT100s, but with a more open top end)
>
> I assume these should all be available in NZ?
> -- 
> Best Wishes
> Steve Coates
>
> Listen to The Drop at;
> http://www.TheDrop.biz
>
> On 27 Mar 2009, at 10:52, Steve Currington wrote:
>
> > Hi..
> >
> > I am about to buy a new pair of Studio Monitor Headphones. I was
> > wondering what people are using and what people suggest is a good  
> buy?
> >
> > Now I don't want cheap ala $30 pairs.. but I also don't wanna spend
> > my life savings <grin>
> > I prefer over the ear models.. Don't like the ear bud style and the
> > styles/designs that sit on the ear and "crush" the ears - I find
> > that both these are hard to wear for long periods.
> >
> > I have had Sennheiser and AKG brands recommended as a starting place
> > but there re others out there that are also worth looking into.
> >
> > Any advice would be appreciated..
> >
> > NB I live in New Zealand so major brands are what I need not some
> > local knock off etc... I will need to buy locally or I guess via
> > ebay/amazon or something.
> >
> > Steve Currington
> > Wellington, New Zealand
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> 



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Hello Steve,
Then I would definitely go for open back headphones, and Sennheiser or  
AKG.
I believe AKG made a pair that were intended to address the imaging  
issue that occurs with hearing the sound from "inside the head" rather  
than in a soundstage between the speakers, but I can't recall which  
model it was.
My suggestion from my own experience would be buy the best you can  
afford in the Sennheiser HD6* range.

There are sets on eBay at the moment for around 170 UKP
-- 
Best Wishes
Steve Coates

Listen to The Drop at;
http://www.TheDrop.biz




On 27 Mar 2009, at 11:54, Steve Currington wrote:

> Hi..
> Sorry for Mixing mainly.
> Not for any performer but for me when using Logic.
>
> Stephen Currington
> de Composer
> Wellington, New Zealand
>
> On 28/03/2009, at 12:40 AM, The Drop wrote:
>
> > Hello Steve,
> > You have not said whether you will be using them for tracking or
> > mixing?
> >
> > Obviously closed back phones are better for tracking/monitoring, as
> > they reduce spill onto mics, especially for vocals, but I have  
> always
> > found open back phones easier to listen through for long periods,  
> and
> > definitely better for judging a mix.
> >
> > I would recommend going for Sennheiser Beyer, or AKG whichever you
> > choose, as even their low end models will have the benefit of their
> > R&D experience. Generally avoid phones aimed at the iPod market as
> > they often have a "larger than life" sound.
> >
> > I am using;
> > Open for mixing reference
> > Sennheiser 430, now discontinued, but very familar as I've had them
> > for 20 years+
> > Sennheiser 565 Ovation
> >
> > Closed for singer monitoring
> > Sennheiser HD250 linear
> >
> > Closed for loud drummers
> > Beyer DT150 (very similar to the DT100s, but with a more open top  
> end)
> >
> > I assume these should all be available in NZ?
> > --
> > Best Wishes
> > Steve Coates
> >
> > Listen to The Drop at;
> > http://www.TheDrop.biz
> >
> > On 27 Mar 2009, at 10:52, Steve Currington wrote:
> >
> > > Hi..
> > >
> > > I am about to buy a new pair of Studio Monitor Headphones. I was
> > > wondering what people are using and what people suggest is a good
> > buy?
> > >
> > > Now I don't want cheap ala $30 pairs.. but I also don't wanna  
> spend
> > > my life savings <grin>
> > > I prefer over the ear models.. Don't like the ear bud style and  
> the
> > > styles/designs that sit on the ear and "crush" the ears - I find
> > > that both these are hard to wear for long periods.
> > >
> > > I have had Sennheiser and AKG brands recommended as a starting  
> place
> > > but there re others out there that are also worth looking into.
> > >
> > > Any advice would be appreciated..
> > >
> > > NB I live in New Zealand so major brands are what I need not some
> > > local knock off etc... I will need to buy locally or I guess via
> > > ebay/amazon or something.
> > >
> > > Steve Currington
> > > Wellington, New Zealand
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> 



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Hi , I use Sennheiser HD250 II's, which make a good comparison when used with studio monitors. My son uses HD25's (closed back), and the more I use them the more I love them, especially for live mixing. As the guys have said, try some, it's all very personal.
Gil Gillian

> On 27 Mar 2009, at 11:54, Steve Currington wrote:
> 
> > Hi..
> > Sorry for Mixing mainly.
> > Not for any performer but for me when using Logic.
> >
> > Stephen Currington
> > de Composer
> > Wellington, New Zealand
> >
> > On 28/03/2009, at 12:40 AM, The Drop wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Steve,
> > > You have not said whether you will be using them for tracking or
> > > mixing?
> > >
> > > Obviously closed back phones are better for tracking/monitoring, as
> > > they reduce spill onto mics, especially for vocals, but I have  
> > always
> > > found open back phones easier to listen through for long periods,  
> > and
> > > definitely better for judging a mix.
> > >
> > > I would recommend going for Sennheiser Beyer, or AKG whichever you
> > > choose, as even their low end models will have the benefit of their
> > > R&D experience. Generally avoid phones aimed at the iPod market as
> > > they often have a "larger than life" sound.
> > >
> > > I am using;
> > > Open for mixing reference
> > > Sennheiser 430, now discontinued, but very familar as I've had them
> > > for 20 years+
> > > Sennheiser 565 Ovation
> > >
> > > Closed for singer monitoring
> > > Sennheiser HD250 linear
> > >
> > > Closed for loud drummers
> > > Beyer DT150 (very similar to the DT100s, but with a more open top  
> > end)
> > >
> > > I assume these should all be available in NZ?
> > > --
> > > Best Wishes
> > > Steve Coates
> > >
> > > Listen to The Drop at;
> > > http://www.TheDrop.biz
> > >
> > > On 27 Mar 2009, at 10:52, Steve Currington wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi..
> > > >
> > > > I am about to buy a new pair of Studio Monitor Headphones. I was
> > > > wondering what people are using and what people suggest is a good
> > > buy?
> > > >
> > > > Now I don't want cheap ala $30 pairs.. but I also don't wanna  
> > spend
> > > > my life savings <grin>
> > > > I prefer over the ear models.. Don't like the ear bud style and  
> > the
> > > > styles/designs that sit on the ear and "crush" the ears - I find
> > > > that both these are hard to wear for long periods.
> > > >
> > > > I have had Sennheiser and AKG brands recommended as a starting  
> > place
> > > > but there re others out there that are also worth looking into.
> > > >
> > > > Any advice would be appreciated..
> > > >
> > > > NB I live in New Zealand so major brands are what I need not some
> > > > local knock off etc... I will need to buy locally or I guess via
> > > > ebay/amazon or something.
> > > >
> > > > Steve Currington
> > > > Wellington, New Zealand
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I have to agree that open-air cans are more comfortable.  I would say 
that if they have them in NZ, you should also look at Grado.  I have a 
pair of Grado SR225s, and they are really wonderful.

The Drop wrote:

> Hello Steve,
> Then I would definitely go for open back headphones, and Sennheiser or  
> AKG.
> I believe AKG made a pair that were intended to address the imaging  
> issue that occurs with hearing the sound from "inside the head" rather  
> than in a soundstage between the speakers, but I can't recall which  
> model it was.
> My suggestion from my own experience would be buy the best you can  
> afford in the Sennheiser HD6* range.
>
> There are sets on eBay at the moment for around 170 UKP
>

Steve,

When you say "studio monitor headphones"  do you mean you want to mix in headphones?   

I tell my audio students:  Don't mix in headphones, but if you absolutely have to.  Use AKG 240 headphones.  

The open ear headphone will tend to give a flatter, more monitor-like response.   But have a lot of bleed to offer the microphone if you want to use them for tracking vocals or something.  

If you are looking for headphones for musicians to track with.    Maybe others have strong suggestions.  I spent a gift certificate at Guitar Center and bought some kind of $40 Sennheisers.   They work fine.     I know there's better ones out there for comfort, but they aren't bad.  

Pete


--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Currington" <steve@...> wrote:

>
> Hi..
> 
> I am about to buy a new pair of Studio Monitor Headphones.  I was wondering what people are using and what people suggest is a good buy?
> 
> Now I don't want cheap ala $30 pairs.. but I also don't wanna spend my life savings <grin> 
> I prefer over the ear models.. Don't like the ear bud style and the styles/designs that sit on the ear and "crush" the ears - I find that both these are hard to wear for long periods.
> 
> I have had Sennheiser and AKG brands recommended as a starting place but there re others out there that are also worth looking into.
> 
> Any advice would be appreciated..
> 
> NB I live in New Zealand so major brands are what I need not some local knock off etc...   I will need to buy locally or I guess via ebay/amazon or something.
> 
> Steve Currington
> Wellington, New Zealand
>

I have a pair of the AKG 240 for mixing and they do the job. Although, I say I get a brighter represntation when using them and lose a little of the bassier frequencies. They are good for a quick mix, and then off to the monitors the next day for a proper one. 

my 2 cents






________________________________

From: pete_buchwald <pete_buchwald@...>
To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:36:41 AM
Subject: [Logic_Cafe] Re: Studio Monitor Headphones


Steve,

When you say "studio monitor headphones"  do you mean you want to mix in headphones? 

I tell my audio students:  Don't mix in headphones, but if you absolutely have to.  Use AKG 240 headphones. 

The open ear headphone will tend to give a flatter, more monitor-like response.   But have a lot of bleed to offer the microphone if you want to use them for tracking vocals or something. 

If you are looking for headphones for musicians to track with.    Maybe others have strong suggestions.  I spent a gift certificate at Guitar Center and bought some kind of $40 Sennheisers.   They work fine.     I know there's better ones out there for comfort, but they aren't bad. 

Pete

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogro ups.com, "Steve Currington" <steve@...> wrote:
>
> Hi..
> 
> I am about to buy a new pair of Studio Monitor Headphones.  I was wondering what people are using and what people suggest is a good buy?
> 
> Now I don't want cheap ala $30 pairs.. but I also don't wanna spend my life savings <grin> 
> I prefer over the ear models.. Don't like the ear bud style and the styles/designs that sit on the ear and "crush" the ears - I find that both these are hard to wear for long periods.
> 
> I have had Sennheiser and AKG brands recommended as a starting place but there re others out there that are also worth looking into.
> 
> Any advice would be appreciated. .
> 
> NB I live in New Zealand so major brands are what I need not some local knock off etc...   I will need to buy locally or I guess via ebay/amazon or something.
> 
> Steve Currington
> Wellington, New Zealand
>





      

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Many thanks to all that have responded..  Appreciate the feed back.


Stephen Currington
de Composer
Wellington, New Zealand

On 27/03/2009, at 11:52 PM, Steve Currington wrote:

> Hi..
>
> I am about to buy a new pair of Studio Monitor Headphones.  I was  
> wondering what people are using and what people suggest is a good buy?
>
> Now I don't want cheap ala $30 pairs.. but I also don't wanna spend  
> my life savings <grin>
> I prefer over the ear models.. Don't like the ear bud style and the  
> styles/designs that sit on the ear and "crush" the ears - I find  
> that both these are hard to wear for long periods.
>
> I have had Sennheiser and AKG brands recommended as a starting place  
> but there re others out there that are also worth looking into.
>
> Any advice would be appreciated..
>
> NB I live in New Zealand so major brands are what I need not some  
> local knock off etc...   I will need to buy locally or I guess via  
> ebay/amazon or something.
>
> Steve Currington
> Wellington, New Zealand
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Thanks Pete.

Due to the location of my studio (in my home) and issues with sounds  
driving neighbours and family crazy I mix with phones and only use  
monitors as a last resort..    I can't afford a sound proof  room  at  
the moment and don't really have the space to  create one.

For live stuff I use a studio I have limited access to so it is just  
mixing tracks or composing via Logic etc.    It is  mostly Orchestral  
style stuff no "heavy metal" "Rock" "HipHop" etc etc...    Well almost  
none anyway.   But even full orchestral gets pretty powerful and some  
of the contemporary "classical" stuff can really irritate the  
locals....  Sure does me at times ;-)

Stephen Currington
de Composer
Wellington, New Zealand



On 28/03/2009, at 2:36 AM, pete_buchwald wrote:

> Steve,
>
> When you say "studio monitor headphones" do you mean you want to mix  
> in headphones?
>
> I tell my audio students: Don't mix in headphones, but if you  
> absolutely have to. Use AKG 240 headphones.
>
> The open ear headphone will tend to give a flatter, more monitor- 
> like response. But have a lot of bleed to offer the microphone if  
> you want to use them for tracking vocals or something.
>
> If you are looking for headphones for musicians to track with. Maybe  
> others have strong suggestions. I spent a gift certificate at Guitar  
> Center and bought some kind of $40 Sennheisers. They work fine. I  
> know there's better ones out there for comfort, but they aren't bad.
>
> Pete
>
> --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Currington" <steve@...>  
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi..
> >
> > I am about to buy a new pair of Studio Monitor Headphones. I was  
> wondering what people are using and what people suggest is a good buy?
> >
> > Now I don't want cheap ala $30 pairs.. but I also don't wanna  
> spend my life savings <grin>
> > I prefer over the ear models.. Don't like the ear bud style and  
> the styles/designs that sit on the ear and "crush" the ears - I find  
> that both these are hard to wear for long periods.
> >
> > I have had Sennheiser and AKG brands recommended as a starting  
> place but there re others out there that are also worth looking into.
> >
> > Any advice would be appreciated..
> >
> > NB I live in New Zealand so major brands are what I need not some  
> local knock off etc... I will need to buy locally or I guess via  
> ebay/amazon or something.
> >
> > Steve Currington
> > Wellington, New Zealand
> >
>
>
> 



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