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V6 Engine

2002-07-27 by a5h_pm

Hi again guys, stupid question time!
I am as you or may not know, converting my V4 car into a V6 car. 
This to me was a straight forward task! Anyway today finally after 
many years I finally managed to manually turn the V6 over by hand, 
it has been standing since 1985 so was a little bit difficult! 
(diesel left in th bores for a couple of weeks works wonders by the 
way guys should you ever need to do the same). Anyway while studying 
the engines side by side I noticed that the V4 mountings were off 
set, yet the V6 mountings appear to be in the same place on the 
chassis on both sides. So question, those of you with the Ford V6 
could you please confirm the position of the engine mounts both on 
the chassis and if possible which bolt holes are used on the engine 
casting.

Next question relates to the exhaust manifolds. I've read that to 
use the original V6 engine it was necessary to swop the manifolds 
over, now this implies that both manifolds are different. The ones 
ont the engine I have (from a Scimtar GTE) are both identical so 
swoping them over would have no effect! The actual position of the 
outlets is once again looking from above is symetrical and lies 
behind the engine moutings.

I am not sure if anyone on this group has actually caried out the V4 
to V6 swop if you have I would love to hear from you!


Many thanks for all your help once again guys!

Marcos motoring days are at last getting closer for me!

Cheers
Ashley #5504
www.molyneuxs.com for latest progress!

Re: V6 Engine

2002-07-30 by mcaqmd

Ashley,

Take a good look at your headers.  They can't be identical.  If you 
remove one side and move it to the other side, the outlet will be 
forward.  Think about it.  

I'll check my engine mounts tonight and let you know how mine's set 
up.

Don Lattimer
#3m5759
Willits, CA


--- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "a5h_pm" <ashley_molyneux@h...> wrote:
> Hi again guys, stupid question time!
> I am as you or may not know, converting my V4 car into a V6 car. 
> This to me was a straight forward task! Anyway today finally after 
> many years I finally managed to manually turn the V6 over by hand, 
> it has been standing since 1985 so was a little bit difficult! 
> (diesel left in th bores for a couple of weeks works wonders by 
the 
> way guys should you ever need to do the same). Anyway while 
studying 
> the engines side by side I noticed that the V4 mountings were off 
> set, yet the V6 mountings appear to be in the same place on the 
> chassis on both sides. So question, those of you with the Ford V6 
> could you please confirm the position of the engine mounts both on 
> the chassis and if possible which bolt holes are used on the 
engine 
> casting.
> 
> Next question relates to the exhaust manifolds. I've read that to 
> use the original V6 engine it was necessary to swop the manifolds 
> over, now this implies that both manifolds are different. The ones 
> ont the engine I have (from a Scimtar GTE) are both identical so 
> swoping them over would have no effect! The actual position of the 
> outlets is once again looking from above is symetrical and lies 
> behind the engine moutings.
> 
> I am not sure if anyone on this group has actually caried out the 
V4 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> to V6 swop if you have I would love to hear from you!
> 
> 
> Many thanks for all your help once again guys!
> 
> Marcos motoring days are at last getting closer for me!
> 
> Cheers
> Ashley #5504
> www.molyneuxs.com for latest progress!

Re: V6 Engine

2002-07-30 by mark_saxby

That may depend on whether these are the original ones.

Ashley, are they tubular or cast? If cast, they're almost certainly 
as Don describes, but if tubular, they may be symmetrical to mate to 
a specific exhaust system. I know that Capri GT (Ford ones) tubular 
manifolds are NOT symmetrical, btw, they mate up in the same way, but 
are much bulkier than the cast ones and don't fit in the Marcos 
engine bay (not without much cutting, anyway, which I didn't do!)

Cheers.

Mark

--- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "mcaqmd" <donlattimer@p...> wrote:
> Ashley,
> 
> Take a good look at your headers.  They can't be identical.  If you 
> remove one side and move it to the other side, the outlet will be 
> forward.  Think about it.  
> 
> I'll check my engine mounts tonight and let you know how mine's set 
> up.
> 
> Don Lattimer
> #3m5759
> Willits, CA
> 
> 
> --- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "a5h_pm" <ashley_molyneux@h...> wrote:
> > Hi again guys, stupid question time!
> > I am as you or may not know, converting my V4 car into a V6 car. 
> > This to me was a straight forward task! Anyway today finally 
after 
> > many years I finally managed to manually turn the V6 over by 
hand, 
> > it has been standing since 1985 so was a little bit difficult! 
> > (diesel left in th bores for a couple of weeks works wonders by 
> the 
> > way guys should you ever need to do the same). Anyway while 
> studying 
> > the engines side by side I noticed that the V4 mountings were off 
> > set, yet the V6 mountings appear to be in the same place on the 
> > chassis on both sides. So question, those of you with the Ford V6 
> > could you please confirm the position of the engine mounts both 
on 
> > the chassis and if possible which bolt holes are used on the 
> engine 
> > casting.
> > 
> > Next question relates to the exhaust manifolds. I've read that to 
> > use the original V6 engine it was necessary to swop the manifolds 
> > over, now this implies that both manifolds are different. The 
ones 
> > ont the engine I have (from a Scimtar GTE) are both identical so 
> > swoping them over would have no effect! The actual position of 
the 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > outlets is once again looking from above is symetrical and lies 
> > behind the engine moutings.
> > 
> > I am not sure if anyone on this group has actually caried out the 
> V4 
> > to V6 swop if you have I would love to hear from you!
> > 
> > 
> > Many thanks for all your help once again guys!
> > 
> > Marcos motoring days are at last getting closer for me!
> > 
> > Cheers
> > Ashley #5504
> > www.molyneuxs.com for latest progress!

Re: V6 Engine

2002-07-31 by a5h_pm

Hi Mark/Don,

I can confirm that the engine does have the cast type headers, but I 
as I am not close to the engine now I can not confirm (or deny!) what 
is being said to me about them! I can however say that from my now 
some what confused memory looking from above with the front of the 
engine furthest away from me, the left header exits between cylinders 
5 and 6, and the right hand header exits between 1 and 2, so turning 
the manifold through 180degrees would acheive the same on either 
side?...... OK I've just drawn myself a diagram and I could be so 
wrong that I am gong to shut up until I can verify whay I am saying! 
Can you confirm that looking from above the engine the exhaust 
headers both exit an imaginary line exactly perpendicular to the 
chassis though? (ie for example not just at the centre of Cylinders 2 
& 5 which are off set)

Thanks for you help guys! (and for putting doubt even in my own mind 
now!!)

My next problem to overcome is the engine mountings - I am speaking 
to Rory at Marcos Heritage today so hopefully this will soon also be 
cleared up!

Cheers

Ashley
#5504

--- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "mark_saxby" <mark.saxby@n...> wrote:
> That may depend on whether these are the original ones.
> 
> Ashley, are they tubular or cast? If cast, they're almost certainly 
> as Don describes, but if tubular, they may be symmetrical to mate 
to 
> a specific exhaust system. I know that Capri GT (Ford ones) tubular 
> manifolds are NOT symmetrical, btw, they mate up in the same way, 
but 
> are much bulkier than the cast ones and don't fit in the Marcos 
> engine bay (not without much cutting, anyway, which I didn't do!)
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> Mark
> 
> --- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "mcaqmd" <donlattimer@p...> wrote:
> > Ashley,
> > 
> > Take a good look at your headers.  They can't be identical.  If 
you 
> > remove one side and move it to the other side, the outlet will be 
> > forward.  Think about it.  
> > 
> > I'll check my engine mounts tonight and let you know how mine's 
set 
> > up.
> > 
> > Don Lattimer
> > #3m5759
> > Willits, CA
> > 
> > 
> > --- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "a5h_pm" <ashley_molyneux@h...> wrote:
> > > Hi again guys, stupid question time!
> > > I am as you or may not know, converting my V4 car into a V6 
car. 
> > > This to me was a straight forward task! Anyway today finally 
> after 
> > > many years I finally managed to manually turn the V6 over by 
> hand, 
> > > it has been standing since 1985 so was a little bit difficult! 
> > > (diesel left in th bores for a couple of weeks works wonders by 
> > the 
> > > way guys should you ever need to do the same). Anyway while 
> > studying 
> > > the engines side by side I noticed that the V4 mountings were 
off 
> > > set, yet the V6 mountings appear to be in the same place on the 
> > > chassis on both sides. So question, those of you with the Ford 
V6 
> > > could you please confirm the position of the engine mounts both 
> on 
> > > the chassis and if possible which bolt holes are used on the 
> > engine 
> > > casting.
> > > 
> > > Next question relates to the exhaust manifolds. I've read that 
to 
> > > use the original V6 engine it was necessary to swop the 
manifolds 
> > > over, now this implies that both manifolds are different. The 
> ones 
> > > ont the engine I have (from a Scimtar GTE) are both identical 
so 
> > > swoping them over would have no effect! The actual position of 
> the 
> > > outlets is once again looking from above is symetrical and lies 
> > > behind the engine moutings.
> > > 
> > > I am not sure if anyone on this group has actually caried out 
the 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > V4 
> > > to V6 swop if you have I would love to hear from you!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Many thanks for all your help once again guys!
> > > 
> > > Marcos motoring days are at last getting closer for me!
> > > 
> > > Cheers
> > > Ashley #5504
> > > www.molyneuxs.com for latest progress!

Re: V6 Engine

2002-07-31 by a5h_pm

Hi Mark/Don et al.

I've now spoken to Rory, and I tought I ought to share what I've 
found out with you guys just in case any of it is useful!

The exhaust manifolds I have ARE identical! This is because they are 
the wrong ones! (they were for the Scimitar and may even be specific 
to that car, the ones that I need and you guys with the V6 have are 
from the Ford Zodiac and ARE both different! they were turned round 
from the original instalation to face forward instead of backwards.
Now I've also asked Rory about the tubular manifolds he can supply 
instead, these do not require any modification to the footwells as 
has been mentioned here in the past, this is only the case for the V8 
instalation in which case approx 1/2inch adjustment is required.

As for the engine mounts it would appear that on the V6 the mounting 
points on the chassis are both in the same position which is just 
behind the wishbone mounting point closed to the footwell. Does this 
make sense to you guys and could you please confirm this for me so I 
can move my right hand mounting.

My next question to Rory was regarding the use of my Ford Corsair 
2000E 4speed gearbox, Rory advised me (as many of you have mind), 
that I should definatley ditch this for either a 4 speed overdrive or 
a 5speed Granada box (as fitted to the last Granada's with the Essex 
engine). Can anyone enlighten me as to any suggest upgrade route they 
may have taken with this one?

What I have learned today has obviously put my ETD (estimated time to 
Drive ;) ) back some what, but I am sure I will bounch back!

Thanks for all your help guys even thoughyou thought I was mad 
earlier with the exhaust question - thankfully I now understand why 
you would have thought this :)

Cheers
Ashley
#5504

www.molyneuxs.com

 

--- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "a5h_pm" <ashley_molyneux@h...> wrote:
> Hi Mark/Don,
> 
> I can confirm that the engine does have the cast type headers, but 
I 
> as I am not close to the engine now I can not confirm (or deny!) 
what 
> is being said to me about them! I can however say that from my now 
> some what confused memory looking from above with the front of the 
> engine furthest away from me, the left header exits between 
cylinders 
> 5 and 6, and the right hand header exits between 1 and 2, so 
turning 
> the manifold through 180degrees would acheive the same on either 
> side?...... OK I've just drawn myself a diagram and I could be so 
> wrong that I am gong to shut up until I can verify whay I am 
saying! 
> Can you confirm that looking from above the engine the exhaust 
> headers both exit an imaginary line exactly perpendicular to the 
> chassis though? (ie for example not just at the centre of Cylinders 
2 
> & 5 which are off set)
> 
> Thanks for you help guys! (and for putting doubt even in my own 
mind 
> now!!)
> 
> My next problem to overcome is the engine mountings - I am speaking 
> to Rory at Marcos Heritage today so hopefully this will soon also 
be 
> cleared up!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Ashley
> #5504
> 
> --- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "mark_saxby" <mark.saxby@n...> wrote:
> > That may depend on whether these are the original ones.
> > 
> > Ashley, are they tubular or cast? If cast, they're almost 
certainly 
> > as Don describes, but if tubular, they may be symmetrical to mate 
> to 
> > a specific exhaust system. I know that Capri GT (Ford ones) 
tubular 
> > manifolds are NOT symmetrical, btw, they mate up in the same way, 
> but 
> > are much bulkier than the cast ones and don't fit in the Marcos 
> > engine bay (not without much cutting, anyway, which I didn't do!)
> > 
> > Cheers.
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> > --- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "mcaqmd" <donlattimer@p...> wrote:
> > > Ashley,
> > > 
> > > Take a good look at your headers.  They can't be identical.  If 
> you 
> > > remove one side and move it to the other side, the outlet will 
be 
> > > forward.  Think about it.  
> > > 
> > > I'll check my engine mounts tonight and let you know how mine's 
> set 
> > > up.
> > > 
> > > Don Lattimer
> > > #3m5759
> > > Willits, CA
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "a5h_pm" <ashley_molyneux@h...> 
wrote:
> > > > Hi again guys, stupid question time!
> > > > I am as you or may not know, converting my V4 car into a V6 
> car. 
> > > > This to me was a straight forward task! Anyway today finally 
> > after 
> > > > many years I finally managed to manually turn the V6 over by 
> > hand, 
> > > > it has been standing since 1985 so was a little bit 
difficult! 
> > > > (diesel left in th bores for a couple of weeks works wonders 
by 
> > > the 
> > > > way guys should you ever need to do the same). Anyway while 
> > > studying 
> > > > the engines side by side I noticed that the V4 mountings were 
> off 
> > > > set, yet the V6 mountings appear to be in the same place on 
the 
> > > > chassis on both sides. So question, those of you with the 
Ford 
> V6 
> > > > could you please confirm the position of the engine mounts 
both 
> > on 
> > > > the chassis and if possible which bolt holes are used on the 
> > > engine 
> > > > casting.
> > > > 
> > > > Next question relates to the exhaust manifolds. I've read 
that 
> to 
> > > > use the original V6 engine it was necessary to swop the 
> manifolds 
> > > > over, now this implies that both manifolds are different. The 
> > ones 
> > > > ont the engine I have (from a Scimtar GTE) are both identical 
> so 
> > > > swoping them over would have no effect! The actual position 
of 
> > the 
> > > > outlets is once again looking from above is symetrical and 
lies 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > > > behind the engine moutings.
> > > > 
> > > > I am not sure if anyone on this group has actually caried out 
> the 
> > > V4 
> > > > to V6 swop if you have I would love to hear from you!
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Many thanks for all your help once again guys!
> > > > 
> > > > Marcos motoring days are at last getting closer for me!
> > > > 
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Ashley #5504
> > > > www.molyneuxs.com for latest progress!

Re: V6 Engine

2002-07-31 by emcman97015

The manifolds must be different now as the ones I bought from him to 
replace the cast iron ones I needed remove a good 1 inche wide by 10 
inch long by 6 inches high area from the inner side of the foot well. 
It follows a frame member back from the engine compartment. Don 
actually saw it if he remembers. I bought them 2 years ago I guess.

Dano in Fla has the car now along with the cutting diagram that came 
with it.




--- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "a5h_pm" <ashley_molyneux@h...> wrote:
> Hi Mark/Don et al.
> 
> I've now spoken to Rory, and I tought I ought to share what I've 
> found out with you guys just in case any of it is useful!
> 
> The exhaust manifolds I have ARE identical! This is because they 
are 
> the wrong ones! (they were for the Scimitar and may even be 
specific 
> to that car, the ones that I need and you guys with the V6 have are 
> from the Ford Zodiac and ARE both different! they were turned round 
> from the original instalation to face forward instead of backwards.
> Now I've also asked Rory about the tubular manifolds he can supply 
> instead, these do not require any modification to the footwells as 
> has been mentioned here in the past, this is only the case for the 
V8 
> instalation in which case approx 1/2inch adjustment is required.
> 
> As for the engine mounts it would appear that on the V6 the 
mounting 
> points on the chassis are both in the same position which is just 
> behind the wishbone mounting point closed to the footwell. Does 
this 
> make sense to you guys and could you please confirm this for me so 
I 
> can move my right hand mounting.
> 
> My next question to Rory was regarding the use of my Ford Corsair 
> 2000E 4speed gearbox, Rory advised me (as many of you have mind), 
> that I should definatley ditch this for either a 4 speed overdrive 
or 
> a 5speed Granada box (as fitted to the last Granada's with the 
Essex 
> engine). Can anyone enlighten me as to any suggest upgrade route 
they 
> may have taken with this one?
> 
> What I have learned today has obviously put my ETD (estimated time 
to 
> Drive ;) ) back some what, but I am sure I will bounch back!
> 
> Thanks for all your help guys even thoughyou thought I was mad 
> earlier with the exhaust question - thankfully I now understand why 
> you would have thought this :)
> 
> Cheers
> Ashley
> #5504
> 
> www.molyneuxs.com
> 
>  
> 
> --- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "a5h_pm" <ashley_molyneux@h...> wrote:
> > Hi Mark/Don,
> > 
> > I can confirm that the engine does have the cast type headers, 
but 
> I 
> > as I am not close to the engine now I can not confirm (or deny!) 
> what 
> > is being said to me about them! I can however say that from my 
now 
> > some what confused memory looking from above with the front of 
the 
> > engine furthest away from me, the left header exits between 
> cylinders 
> > 5 and 6, and the right hand header exits between 1 and 2, so 
> turning 
> > the manifold through 180degrees would acheive the same on either 
> > side?...... OK I've just drawn myself a diagram and I could be so 
> > wrong that I am gong to shut up until I can verify whay I am 
> saying! 
> > Can you confirm that looking from above the engine the exhaust 
> > headers both exit an imaginary line exactly perpendicular to the 
> > chassis though? (ie for example not just at the centre of 
Cylinders 
> 2 
> > & 5 which are off set)
> > 
> > Thanks for you help guys! (and for putting doubt even in my own 
> mind 
> > now!!)
> > 
> > My next problem to overcome is the engine mountings - I am 
speaking 
> > to Rory at Marcos Heritage today so hopefully this will soon also 
> be 
> > cleared up!
> > 
> > Cheers
> > 
> > Ashley
> > #5504
> > 
> > --- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "mark_saxby" <mark.saxby@n...> wrote:
> > > That may depend on whether these are the original ones.
> > > 
> > > Ashley, are they tubular or cast? If cast, they're almost 
> certainly 
> > > as Don describes, but if tubular, they may be symmetrical to 
mate 
> > to 
> > > a specific exhaust system. I know that Capri GT (Ford ones) 
> tubular 
> > > manifolds are NOT symmetrical, btw, they mate up in the same 
way, 
> > but 
> > > are much bulkier than the cast ones and don't fit in the Marcos 
> > > engine bay (not without much cutting, anyway, which I didn't 
do!)
> > > 
> > > Cheers.
> > > 
> > > Mark
> > > 
> > > --- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "mcaqmd" <donlattimer@p...> wrote:
> > > > Ashley,
> > > > 
> > > > Take a good look at your headers.  They can't be identical.  
If 
> > you 
> > > > remove one side and move it to the other side, the outlet 
will 
> be 
> > > > forward.  Think about it.  
> > > > 
> > > > I'll check my engine mounts tonight and let you know how 
mine's 
> > set 
> > > > up.
> > > > 
> > > > Don Lattimer
> > > > #3m5759
> > > > Willits, CA
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "a5h_pm" <ashley_molyneux@h...> 
> wrote:
> > > > > Hi again guys, stupid question time!
> > > > > I am as you or may not know, converting my V4 car into a V6 
> > car. 
> > > > > This to me was a straight forward task! Anyway today 
finally 
> > > after 
> > > > > many years I finally managed to manually turn the V6 over 
by 
> > > hand, 
> > > > > it has been standing since 1985 so was a little bit 
> difficult! 
> > > > > (diesel left in th bores for a couple of weeks works 
wonders 
> by 
> > > > the 
> > > > > way guys should you ever need to do the same). Anyway while 
> > > > studying 
> > > > > the engines side by side I noticed that the V4 mountings 
were 
> > off 
> > > > > set, yet the V6 mountings appear to be in the same place on 
> the 
> > > > > chassis on both sides. So question, those of you with the 
> Ford 
> > V6 
> > > > > could you please confirm the position of the engine mounts 
> both 
> > > on 
> > > > > the chassis and if possible which bolt holes are used on 
the 
> > > > engine 
> > > > > casting.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Next question relates to the exhaust manifolds. I've read 
> that 
> > to 
> > > > > use the original V6 engine it was necessary to swop the 
> > manifolds 
> > > > > over, now this implies that both manifolds are different. 
The 
> > > ones 
> > > > > ont the engine I have (from a Scimtar GTE) are both 
identical 
> > so 
> > > > > swoping them over would have no effect! The actual position 
> of 
> > > the 
> > > > > outlets is once again looking from above is symetrical and 
> lies 
> > > > > behind the engine moutings.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I am not sure if anyone on this group has actually caried 
out 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > the 
> > > > V4 
> > > > > to V6 swop if you have I would love to hear from you!
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Many thanks for all your help once again guys!
> > > > > 
> > > > > Marcos motoring days are at last getting closer for me!
> > > > > 
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > > Ashley #5504
> > > > > www.molyneuxs.com for latest progress!

Re: [MarcosManiacs] Re: V6 Engine

2002-07-31 by Don Lattimer

Ashley,
Check out this page:
might be of some help. I haven't had time to read much of it but I can see it has something to do with my trans!
Good luck.
Don Lattimer
#3m5759
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----- Original Message -----
From: a5h_pm
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 11:16 AM
Subject: [MarcosManiacs] Re: V6 Engine

Hi Mark/Don et al.

I've now spoken to Rory, and I tought I ought to share what I've
found out with you guys just in case any of it is useful!

The exhaust manifolds I have ARE identical! This is because they are
the wrong ones! (they were for the Scimitar and may even be specific
to that car, the ones that I need and you guys with the V6 have are
from the Ford Zodiac and ARE both different! they were turned round
from the original instalation to face forward instead of backwards.
Now I've also asked Rory about the tubular manifolds he can supply
instead, these do not require any modification to the footwells as
has been mentioned here in the past, this is only the case for the V8
instalation in which case approx 1/2inch adjustment is required.

As for the engine mounts it would appear that on the V6 the mounting
points on the chassis are both in the same position which is just
behind the wishbone mounting point closed to the footwell. Does this
make sense to you guys and could you please confirm this for me so I
can move my right hand mounting.

My next question to Rory was regarding the use of my Ford Corsair
2000E 4speed gearbox, Rory advised me (as many of you have mind),
that I should definatley ditch this for either a 4 speed overdrive or
a 5speed Granada box (as fitted to the last Granada's with the Essex
engine). Can anyone enlighten me as to any suggest upgrade route they
may have taken with this one?

What I have learned today has obviously put my ETD (estimated time to
Drive ;) ) back some what, but I am sure I will bounch back!

Thanks for all your help guys even thoughyou thought I was mad
earlier with the exhaust question - thankfully I now understand why
you would have thought this :)

Cheers
Ashley
#5504

www.molyneuxs.com



--- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "a5h_pm" wrote:
> Hi Mark/Don,
>
> I can confirm that the engine does have the cast type headers, but
I
> as I am not close to the engine now I can not confirm (or deny!)
what
> is being said to me about them! I can however say that from my now
> some what confused memory looking from above with the front of the
> engine furthest away from me, the left header exits between
cylinders
> 5 and 6, and the right hand header exits between 1 and 2, so
turning
> the manifold through 180degrees would acheive the same on either
> side?...... OK I've just drawn myself a diagram and I could be so
> wrong that I am gong to shut up until I can verify whay I am
saying!
> Can you confirm that looking from above the engine the exhaust
> headers both exit an imaginary line exactly perpendicular to the
> chassis though? (ie for example not just at the centre of Cylinders
2
> &; 5 which are off set)
>
> Thanks for you help guys! (and for putting doubt even in my own
mind
> now!!)
>
>; My next problem to overcome is the engine mountings - I am speaking
> to Rory at Marcos Heritage today so hopefully this will soon also
be
> cleared up!
>
> Cheers
>
> Ashley
> #5504
>
> --- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "mark_saxby" wrote:
> > That may depend on whether these are the original ones.
> >
> > Ashley, are they tubular or cast? If cast, they're almost
certainly
> > as Don describes, but if tubular, they may be symmetrical to mate
> to
> > a specific exhaust system. I know that Capri GT (Ford ones)
tubular
> > manifolds are NOT symmetrical, btw, they mate up in the same way,
> but
> > are much bulkier than the cast ones and don't fit in the Marcos
> > engine bay (not without much cutting, anyway, which I didn't do!)
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > --- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "mcaqmd" wrote:
> > > Ashley,
> > >
> > > Take a good look at your headers. They can't be identical. If
> you
> > > remove one side and move it to the other side, the outlet will
be
> > > forward. Think about it.
> > >
> > > I'll check my engine mounts tonight and let you know how mine's
> set
> > > up.
> > >
> > > Don Lattimer
> > > #3m5759
> > > Willits, CA
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "a5h_pm"
wrote:
> > > > Hi again guys, stupid question time!
> > > > I am as you or may not know, converting my V4 car into a V6
> car.
> > > > This to me was a straight forward task! Anyway today finally
> > after
> > > > many years I finally managed to manually turn the V6 over by
> > hand,
> > > > it has been standing since 1985 so was a little bit
difficult!
> > > > (diesel left in th bores for a couple of weeks works wonders
by
> > > the
> > > > way guys should you ever need to do the same). Anyway while
> > > studying
> > > > the engines side by side I noticed that the V4 mountings were
> off
> > > > set, yet the V6 mountings appear to be in the same place on
the
> > > > chassis on both sides. So question, those of you with the
Ford
> V6
> > > > could you please confirm the position of the engine mounts
both
> > on
> > > > the chassis and if possible which bolt holes are used on the
> > > engine
> > > > casting.
> > > >
> > > >; Next question relates to the exhaust manifolds. I've read
that
> to
> > > > use the original V6 engine it was necessary to swop the
> manifolds
> > > > over, now this implies that both manifolds are different. The
> > ones
> > > > ont the engine I have (from a Scimtar GTE) are both identical
> so
> > > > swoping them over would have no effect! The actual position
of
> > the
> >; > > outlets is once again looking from above is symetrical and
lies
> > > > behind the engine moutings.
> > > >
> > > > I am not sure if anyone on this group has actually caried out
> the
> > > V4
> >; > > to V6 swop if you have I would love to hear from you!
>; > > >
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks for all your help once again guys!
> > > >
> > > > Marcos motoring days are at last getting closer for me!
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Ashley #5504
> > > > www.molyneuxs.com for latest progress!



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Re: [MarcosManiacs] Re: V6 Engine

2002-08-02 by Don Lattimer

Ashley,
Looked at my engine mounts last night for the V6 and they are not offset. Both mounts appear to be equidistant from the front of the car.
Don Lattimer
#3m5759 V6
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----- Original Message -----
From: a5h_pm
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 11:16 AM
Subject: [MarcosManiacs] Re: V6 Engine

Hi Mark/Don et al.

I've now spoken to Rory, and I tought I ought to share what I've
found out with you guys just in case any of it is useful!

The exhaust manifolds I have ARE identical! This is because they are
the wrong ones! (they were for the Scimitar and may even be specific
to that car, the ones that I need and you guys with the V6 have are
from the Ford Zodiac and ARE both different! they were turned round
from the original instalation to face forward instead of backwards.
Now I've also asked Rory about the tubular manifolds he can supply
instead, these do not require any modification to the footwells as
has been mentioned here in the past, this is only the case for the V8
instalation in which case approx 1/2inch adjustment is required.

As for the engine mounts it would appear that on the V6 the mounting
points on the chassis are both in the same position which is just
behind the wishbone mounting point closed to the footwell. Does this
make sense to you guys and could you please confirm this for me so I
can move my right hand mounting.

My next question to Rory was regarding the use of my Ford Corsair
2000E 4speed gearbox, Rory advised me (as many of you have mind),
that I should definatley ditch this for either a 4 speed overdrive or
a 5speed Granada box (as fitted to the last Granada's with the Essex
engine). Can anyone enlighten me as to any suggest upgrade route they
may have taken with this one?

What I have learned today has obviously put my ETD (estimated time to
Drive ;) ) back some what, but I am sure I will bounch back!

Thanks for all your help guys even thoughyou thought I was mad
earlier with the exhaust question - thankfully I now understand why
you would have thought this :)

Cheers
Ashley
#5504

www.molyneuxs.com



--- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "a5h_pm" wrote:
> Hi Mark/Don,
>
> I can confirm that the engine does have the cast type headers, but
I
> as I am not close to the engine now I can not confirm (or deny!)
what
> is being said to me about them! I can however say that from my now
> some what confused memory looking from above with the front of the
> engine furthest away from me, the left header exits between
cylinders
> 5 and 6, and the right hand header exits between 1 and 2, so
turning
>; the manifold through 180degrees would acheive the same on either
> side?...... OK I've just drawn myself a diagram and I could be so
> wrong that I am gong to shut up until I can verify whay I am
saying!
> Can you confirm that looking from above the engine the exhaust
> headers both exit an imaginary line exactly perpendicular to the
> chassis though? (ie for example not just at the centre of Cylinders
2
> & 5 which are off set)
>
>; Thanks for you help guys! (and for putting doubt even in my own
mind
> now!!)
>
> My next problem to overcome is the engine mountings - I am speaking
> to Rory at Marcos Heritage today so hopefully this will soon also
be
> cleared up!
>
> Cheers
>
> Ashley
> #5504
>
> --- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "mark_saxby" wrote:
>; > That may depend on whether these are the original ones.
> >
> > Ashley, are they tubular or cast? If cast, they're almost
certainly
> > as Don describes, but if tubular, they may be symmetrical to mate
> to
> > a specific exhaust system. I know that Capri GT (Ford ones)
tubular
> > manifolds are NOT symmetrical, btw, they mate up in the same way,
> but
> > are much bulkier than the cast ones and don't fit in the Marcos
> > engine bay (not without much cutting, anyway, which I didn't do!)
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > --- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "mcaqmd" wrote:
> > > Ashley,
> > >
> > > Take a good look at your headers. They can't be identical. If
> you
> > > remove one side and move it to the other side, the outlet will
be
> > > forward. Think about it.
> > >
> > > I'll check my engine mounts tonight and let you know how mine's
> set
> > > up.
> > >
> > > Don Lattimer
> > > #3m5759
> > > Willits, CA
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "a5h_pm"
wrote:
> > >; > Hi again guys, stupid question time!
> > > > I am as you or may not know, converting my V4 car into a V6
> car.
> > > > This to me was a straight forward task! Anyway today finally
> > after
> > > > many years I finally managed to manually turn the V6 over by
> > hand,
> >; > > it has been standing since 1985 so was a little bit
difficult!
> > > > (diesel left in th bores for a couple of weeks works wonders
by
> > > the
> > > >; way guys should you ever need to do the same). Anyway while
> > > studying
> > > > the engines side by side I noticed that the V4 mountings were
> off
> > > > set, yet the V6 mountings appear to be in the same place on
the
>; > > > chassis on both sides. So question, those of you with the
Ford
> V6
> > > > could you please confirm the position of the engine mounts
both
> > on
> > > > the chassis and if possible which bolt holes are used on the
> > > engine
> > > > casting.
> >; > >
> > > > Next question relates to the exhaust manifolds. I've read
that
> to
> > > > use the original V6 engine it was necessary to swop the
> manifolds
> > > > over, now this implies that both manifolds are different. The
> > ones
> > > > ont the engine I have (from a Scimtar GTE) are both identical
> so
> > > > swoping them over would have no effect! The actual position
of
> > the
> > > > outlets is once again looking from above is symetrical and
lies
> > > > behind the engine moutings.
> > > >
> > > > I am not sure if anyone on this group has actually caried out
> the
> > > V4
> > > > to V6 swop if you have I would love to hear from you!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks for all your help once again guys!
> > > >
> > > > Marcos motoring days are at last getting closer for me!
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Ashley #5504
> > > > www.molyneuxs.com for latest progress!



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Re: V6 Engine

2002-08-02 by a5h_pm

Thanks Don,
it does seem that I will have to move the mounting on the right side 
forward 6 or so inches, this should be fairly straight forward I 
hope!!

Cheers

Ashley

--- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "Don Lattimer" <donlattimer@p...> wrote:
> Ashley,
> 
> Looked at my engine mounts last night for the V6 and they are not 
offset.  Both mounts appear to be equidistant from the front of the 
car.  
> 
> Don Lattimer
> #3m5759 V6
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: a5h_pm 
>   To: MarcosManiacs@y... 
>   Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 11:16 AM
>   Subject: [MarcosManiacs] Re: V6 Engine
> 
> 
>   Hi Mark/Don et al.
> 
>   I've now spoken to Rory, and I tought I ought to share what I've 
>   found out with you guys just in case any of it is useful!
> 
>   The exhaust manifolds I have ARE identical! This is because they 
are 
>   the wrong ones! (they were for the Scimitar and may even be 
specific 
>   to that car, the ones that I need and you guys with the V6 have 
are 
>   from the Ford Zodiac and ARE both different! they were turned 
round 
>   from the original instalation to face forward instead of 
backwards.
>   Now I've also asked Rory about the tubular manifolds he can 
supply 
>   instead, these do not require any modification to the footwells 
as 
>   has been mentioned here in the past, this is only the case for 
the V8 
>   instalation in which case approx 1/2inch adjustment is required.
> 
>   As for the engine mounts it would appear that on the V6 the 
mounting 
>   points on the chassis are both in the same position which is just 
>   behind the wishbone mounting point closed to the footwell. Does 
this 
>   make sense to you guys and could you please confirm this for me 
so I 
>   can move my right hand mounting.
> 
>   My next question to Rory was regarding the use of my Ford Corsair 
>   2000E 4speed gearbox, Rory advised me (as many of you have mind), 
>   that I should definatley ditch this for either a 4 speed 
overdrive or 
>   a 5speed Granada box (as fitted to the last Granada's with the 
Essex 
>   engine). Can anyone enlighten me as to any suggest upgrade route 
they 
>   may have taken with this one?
> 
>   What I have learned today has obviously put my ETD (estimated 
time to 
>   Drive ;) ) back some what, but I am sure I will bounch back!
> 
>   Thanks for all your help guys even thoughyou thought I was mad 
>   earlier with the exhaust question - thankfully I now understand 
why 
>   you would have thought this :)
> 
>   Cheers
>   Ashley
>   #5504
> 
>   www.molyneuxs.com
> 
> 
> 
>   --- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "a5h_pm" <ashley_molyneux@h...> wrote:
>   > Hi Mark/Don,
>   > 
>   > I can confirm that the engine does have the cast type headers, 
but 
>   I 
>   > as I am not close to the engine now I can not confirm (or 
deny!) 
>   what 
>   > is being said to me about them! I can however say that from my 
now 
>   > some what confused memory looking from above with the front of 
the 
>   > engine furthest away from me, the left header exits between 
>   cylinders 
>   > 5 and 6, and the right hand header exits between 1 and 2, so 
>   turning 
>   > the manifold through 180degrees would acheive the same on 
either 
>   > side?...... OK I've just drawn myself a diagram and I could be 
so 
>   > wrong that I am gong to shut up until I can verify whay I am 
>   saying! 
>   > Can you confirm that looking from above the engine the exhaust 
>   > headers both exit an imaginary line exactly perpendicular to 
the 
>   > chassis though? (ie for example not just at the centre of 
Cylinders 
>   2 
>   > & 5 which are off set)
>   > 
>   > Thanks for you help guys! (and for putting doubt even in my own 
>   mind 
>   > now!!)
>   > 
>   > My next problem to overcome is the engine mountings - I am 
speaking 
>   > to Rory at Marcos Heritage today so hopefully this will soon 
also 
>   be 
>   > cleared up!
>   > 
>   > Cheers
>   > 
>   > Ashley
>   > #5504
>   > 
>   > --- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "mark_saxby" <mark.saxby@n...> wrote:
>   > > That may depend on whether these are the original ones.
>   > > 
>   > > Ashley, are they tubular or cast? If cast, they're almost 
>   certainly 
>   > > as Don describes, but if tubular, they may be symmetrical to 
mate 
>   > to 
>   > > a specific exhaust system. I know that Capri GT (Ford ones) 
>   tubular 
>   > > manifolds are NOT symmetrical, btw, they mate up in the same 
way, 
>   > but 
>   > > are much bulkier than the cast ones and don't fit in the 
Marcos 
>   > > engine bay (not without much cutting, anyway, which I didn't 
do!)
>   > > 
>   > > Cheers.
>   > > 
>   > > Mark
>   > > 
>   > > --- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "mcaqmd" <donlattimer@p...> wrote:
>   > > > Ashley,
>   > > > 
>   > > > Take a good look at your headers.  They can't be 
identical.  If 
>   > you 
>   > > > remove one side and move it to the other side, the outlet 
will 
>   be 
>   > > > forward.  Think about it.  
>   > > > 
>   > > > I'll check my engine mounts tonight and let you know how 
mine's 
>   > set 
>   > > > up.
>   > > > 
>   > > > Don Lattimer
>   > > > #3m5759
>   > > > Willits, CA
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > --- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "a5h_pm" <ashley_molyneux@h...> 
>   wrote:
>   > > > > Hi again guys, stupid question time!
>   > > > > I am as you or may not know, converting my V4 car into a 
V6 
>   > car. 
>   > > > > This to me was a straight forward task! Anyway today 
finally 
>   > > after 
>   > > > > many years I finally managed to manually turn the V6 over 
by 
>   > > hand, 
>   > > > > it has been standing since 1985 so was a little bit 
>   difficult! 
>   > > > > (diesel left in th bores for a couple of weeks works 
wonders 
>   by 
>   > > > the 
>   > > > > way guys should you ever need to do the same). Anyway 
while 
>   > > > studying 
>   > > > > the engines side by side I noticed that the V4 mountings 
were 
>   > off 
>   > > > > set, yet the V6 mountings appear to be in the same place 
on 
>   the 
>   > > > > chassis on both sides. So question, those of you with the 
>   Ford 
>   > V6 
>   > > > > could you please confirm the position of the engine 
mounts 
>   both 
>   > > on 
>   > > > > the chassis and if possible which bolt holes are used on 
the 
>   > > > engine 
>   > > > > casting.
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > Next question relates to the exhaust manifolds. I've read 
>   that 
>   > to 
>   > > > > use the original V6 engine it was necessary to swop the 
>   > manifolds 
>   > > > > over, now this implies that both manifolds are different. 
The 
>   > > ones 
>   > > > > ont the engine I have (from a Scimtar GTE) are both 
identical 
>   > so 
>   > > > > swoping them over would have no effect! The actual 
position 
>   of 
>   > > the 
>   > > > > outlets is once again looking from above is symetrical 
and 
>   lies 
>   > > > > behind the engine moutings.
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > I am not sure if anyone on this group has actually caried 
out 
>   > the 
>   > > > V4 
>   > > > > to V6 swop if you have I would love to hear from you!
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > Many thanks for all your help once again guys!
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > Marcos motoring days are at last getting closer for me!
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > Cheers
>   > > > > Ashley #5504
>   > > > > www.molyneuxs.com for latest progress!
> 
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