QTR-Quadtone RIP

Okay, I've been spoiled by printing out of Lightroom and have been trying to do the same printing out of QTR. Being on Win 7-64, I am not able to access QTR through Lightroom. This has been discussed before so I won't. Which means that I have to print out of QTR. My problem is printing 4(of the same)images on a single sheet and have the same boarder all the way around each image. In LR I could set my cell size to 8.5 x 11 and 4 would be printed on a 17 x 22 sheet. For example an image is 6 x 8.75. The boarder on either side of the 6 inch side is 1.25 and 1.125 on either side of the 8.75. In LR, no problem, but through QTR is there a way to get the same result?

Keith,

You will have to create/save the 4 set ganged print in another application like Photoshop. And then print that file in QTR.

Good luck.

Shilesh

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" <kjrslr@...> wrote:

>
> Okay, I've been spoiled by printing out of Lightroom and have been trying to do the same printing out of QTR. Being on Win 7-64, I am not able to access QTR through Lightroom. This has been discussed before so I won't. Which means that I have to print out of QTR. My problem is printing 4(of the same)images on a single sheet and have the same boarder all the way around each image. In LR I could set my cell size to 8.5 x 11 and 4 would be printed on a 17 x 22 sheet. For example an image is 6 x 8.75. The boarder on either side of the 6 inch side is 1.25 and 1.125 on either side of the 8.75. In LR, no problem, but through QTR is there a way to get the same result?
>

Hi Keith:

I'm not sure why you can't print from Lightroom, but to create a layout, you can always "Print to: JPEG" (instead of Print to: Printer) in the Print Module and save with JPEG 100 quality, then import back into Photoshop.

Hope that helps,

Andrew

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On May 18, 2012, at 6:43 PM, Keith wrote:

> Okay, I've been spoiled by printing out of Lightroom and have been trying to do the same printing out of QTR. Being on Win 7-64, I am not able to access QTR through Lightroom. This has been discussed before so I won't. Which means that I have to print out of QTR. My problem is printing 4(of the same)images on a single sheet and have the same boarder all the way around each image. In LR I could set my cell size to 8.5 x 11 and 4 would be printed on a 17 x 22 sheet. For example an image is 6 x 8.75. The boarder on either side of the 6 inch side is 1.25 and 1.125 on either side of the 8.75. In LR, no problem, but through QTR is there a way to get the same result? 
> 
> 








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That's what I've done. I took one image and placed it with even boarders onto an 8.5 x 11 new "canvas". I then created a new 17 x 22 "canvas". I then dragged the 8.5 x 11 canvas onto the 17 x 22 canvas(they simply snap to the corners). I then flatten the 17 x 22 and saved it as a tiff(to use in QTR). When I make a print, they no longer have even boarders.    

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@...> wrote:

>
> Keith,
> 
> You will have to create/save the 4 set ganged print in another application like Photoshop. And then print that file in QTR.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Shilesh
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" <kjrslr@> wrote:
> >
> > Okay, I've been spoiled by printing out of Lightroom and have been trying to do the same printing out of QTR. Being on Win 7-64, I am not able to access QTR through Lightroom. This has been discussed before so I won't. Which means that I have to print out of QTR. My problem is printing 4(of the same)images on a single sheet and have the same boarder all the way around each image. In LR I could set my cell size to 8.5 x 11 and 4 would be printed on a 17 x 22 sheet. For example an image is 6 x 8.75. The boarder on either side of the 6 inch side is 1.25 and 1.125 on either side of the 8.75. In LR, no problem, but through QTR is there a way to get the same result?
> >
>

Hi Keith:

In LR, if I understand correctly, you just need to create a new 17x22 in. Page Size with 0" borders on all sides. Then place the photo in the center using the Print Module, and size the photo on the layout as you want. Then you need to Print to: Printer or Print to: JPEG file.

When you print -if you can't print from LR, then choose that 17x22 paper size with no borders and print with that.

Hope that helps,
Andrew

Andrew Darlow
Editor, The Imaging Buffet
http://www.imagingbuffet.com
Author, 301 Inkjet Tips and Techniques:
An Essential Printing Resource for Photographers - http://www.inkjettips.com
and
Pet Photography 101: 
Tips for Taking Better Photos of Your Dog or Cat - http://www.PhotoPetTips.com
http://facebook.com/andrewdarlow


On May 18, 2012, at 9:31 PM, Keith wrote:

> That's what I've done. I took one image and placed it with even boarders onto an 8.5 x 11 new "canvas". I then created a new 17 x 22 "canvas". I then dragged the 8.5 x 11 canvas onto the 17 x 22 canvas(they simply snap to the corners). I then flatten the 17 x 22 and saved it as a tiff(to use in QTR). When I make a print, they no longer have even boarders. 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@...> wrote:
> >
> > Keith,
> > 
> > You will have to create/save the 4 set ganged print in another application like Photoshop. And then print that file in QTR.
> > 
> > Good luck.
> > 
> > Shilesh
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" <kjrslr@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Okay, I've been spoiled by printing out of Lightroom and have been trying to do the same printing out of QTR. Being on Win 7-64, I am not able to access QTR through Lightroom. This has been discussed before so I won't. Which means that I have to print out of QTR. My problem is printing 4(of the same)images on a single sheet and have the same boarder all the way around each image. In LR I could set my cell size to 8.5 x 11 and 4 would be printed on a 17 x 22 sheet. For example an image is 6 x 8.75. The boarder on either side of the 6 inch side is 1.25 and 1.125 on either side of the 8.75. In LR, no problem, but through QTR is there a way to get the same result?
> > >
> >
> 







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You don't say what you actually get so its hard to figure out what the
exact issue is.
But I suspect you are not taking into account the borders that the
printer itself and
therefore QTR imposes. (QTR does not support borderless printing).
But I'll guess you are printing to a 3800/3880 printer.  This has a
1/8 inch border
around all sides.  So the max image that can be printed on 17x22 paper
is actually
16.75x21.75 -- this is the size "image"(canvas) you ought to be creating.
And you have to remember there's an extra 1/8 inch all around when positioning.
(alternatively you could make a (6+6+1.25+1.25) = 14.5 width image and
center it).

Roy

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Keith <kjrslr@...> wrote:
> That's what I've done. I took one image and placed it with even boarders onto an 8.5 x 11 new "canvas". I then created a new 17 x 22 "canvas". I then dragged the 8.5 x 11 canvas onto the 17 x 22 canvas(they simply snap to the corners). I then flatten the 17 x 22 and saved it as a tiff(to use in QTR). When I make a print, they no longer have even boarders.
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@...> wrote:
>>
>> Keith,
>>
>> You will have to create/save the 4 set ganged print in another application like Photoshop. And then print that file in QTR.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>> Shilesh
>>
>> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" <kjrslr@> wrote:
>> >
>> > Okay, I've been spoiled by printing out of Lightroom and have been trying to do the same printing out of QTR. Being on Win 7-64, I am not able to access QTR through Lightroom. This has been discussed before so I won't. Which means that I have to print out of QTR. My problem is printing 4(of the same)images on a single sheet and have the same boarder all the way around each image. In LR I could set my cell size to 8.5 x 11 and 4 would be printed on a 17 x 22 sheet. For example an image is 6 x 8.75. The boarder on either side of the 6 inch side is 1.25 and 1.125 on either side of the 8.75. In LR, no problem, but through QTR is there a way to get the same result?
>> >
>>
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Keith,

Do the layout as you would for 17x22 paper, then before you save the layout file, reduce the canvas size evenly on all sides - say make it 16 x 21. Now if you print this, you will have 1/2 inch borders on all sides - not counting how much border you had in the original 8.5x11 canvas.

Shilesh

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" <kjrslr@...> wrote:

>
> That's what I've done. I took one image and placed it with even boarders onto an 8.5 x 11 new "canvas". I then created a new 17 x 22 "canvas". I then dragged the 8.5 x 11 canvas onto the 17 x 22 canvas(they simply snap to the corners). I then flatten the 17 x 22 and saved it as a tiff(to use in QTR). When I make a print, they no longer have even boarders.    
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> >
> > Keith,
> > 
> > You will have to create/save the 4 set ganged print in another application like Photoshop. And then print that file in QTR.
> > 
> > Good luck.
> > 
> > Shilesh
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" <kjrslr@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Okay, I've been spoiled by printing out of Lightroom and have been trying to do the same printing out of QTR. Being on Win 7-64, I am not able to access QTR through Lightroom. This has been discussed before so I won't. Which means that I have to print out of QTR. My problem is printing 4(of the same)images on a single sheet and have the same boarder all the way around each image. In LR I could set my cell size to 8.5 x 11 and 4 would be printed on a 17 x 22 sheet. For example an image is 6 x 8.75. The boarder on either side of the 6 inch side is 1.25 and 1.125 on either side of the 8.75. In LR, no problem, but through QTR is there a way to get the same result?
> > >
> >
>

I'm printing with Epson 4800 and the allowable printing area has .12 on three sides(top, left and right) and .56 on the bottom.

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@...> wrote:

>
> You don't say what you actually get so its hard to figure out what the
> exact issue is.
> But I suspect you are not taking into account the borders that the
> printer itself and
> therefore QTR imposes. (QTR does not support borderless printing).
> But I'll guess you are printing to a 3800/3880 printer.  This has a
> 1/8 inch border
> around all sides.  So the max image that can be printed on 17x22 paper
> is actually
> 16.75x21.75 -- this is the size "image"(canvas) you ought to be creating.
> And you have to remember there's an extra 1/8 inch all around when positioning.
> (alternatively you could make a (6+6+1.25+1.25) = 14.5 width image and
> center it).
> 
> Roy
> 
> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Keith <kjrslr@...> wrote:
> > That's what I've done. I took one image and placed it with even boarders onto an 8.5 x 11 new "canvas". I then created a new 17 x 22 "canvas". I then dragged the 8.5 x 11 canvas onto the 17 x 22 canvas(they simply snap to the corners). I then flatten the 17 x 22 and saved it as a tiff(to use in QTR). When I make a print, they no longer have even boarders.
> >
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Keith,
> >>
> >> You will have to create/save the 4 set ganged print in another application like Photoshop. And then print that file in QTR.
> >>
> >> Good luck.
> >>
> >> Shilesh
> >>
> >> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" <kjrslr@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Okay, I've been spoiled by printing out of Lightroom and have been trying to do the same printing out of QTR. Being on Win 7-64, I am not able to access QTR through Lightroom. This has been discussed before so I won't. Which means that I have to print out of QTR. My problem is printing 4(of the same)images on a single sheet and have the same boarder all the way around each image. In LR I could set my cell size to 8.5 x 11 and 4 would be printed on a 17 x 22 sheet. For example an image is 6 x 8.75. The boarder on either side of the 6 inch side is 1.25 and 1.125 on either side of the 8.75. In LR, no problem, but through QTR is there a way to get the same result?
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Roy Harrington
> roy@...
> www.harrington.com
>

I'm on a PC(Win7-64) and printing through QTR. Unlike Mac systems, LR doesn't see QTR so I am unable to print from it.  QTR doesn't recognise boarderless printing so printing on a 17 x 22(on an Epson 4800) sheet will yield a printable area 16.75 x 21.32.

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Darlow <ad@...> wrote:

> When you print -if you can't print from LR, then choose that 17x22 paper size with no borders and print with that.
> 
> Hope that helps,
> Andrew

Roy,
What does Scale to fit mean? In the QTR dialoge box there is the box labled SCALE which you can check "To fit" or you can input a %. Then there is the box labled PLACEMENT which you can chose CENTERED or input a dimension for top and left.
What I'm trying to do is gang 4 of the same image onto a 17 x 22 sheet so that when I cut the sheet I will get (4) 8.5 x 11 sheets, each with the same image with an equal boarder around each image. The image is 6.694 x 8.964 which(on an 8.5 x 11) would leave a boarder of .903 on the L & R sides and 1.018 on the T & B.
The printable area on a 17 x 22 sheet from an Epson 4800 is 16.75 x 21.32
I have been trying to place the image within the 8.5 x 11 page so that when it is placed on the 17 x 22 I'm getting various size boarders. I'm trying to take into account the "printable area" of the 17/22 but I keep getting the wrong boarder. Thats whay I ask about the "Scale to Fit" vs % and or Centered  or input a dimension.         

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@...> wrote:

>
> You don't say what you actually get so its hard to figure out what the
> exact issue is.
> But I suspect you are not taking into account the borders that the
> printer itself and
> therefore QTR imposes. (QTR does not support borderless printing).
> But I'll guess you are printing to a 3800/3880 printer.  This has a
> 1/8 inch border
> around all sides.  So the max image that can be printed on 17x22 paper
> is actually
> 16.75x21.75 -- this is the size "image"(canvas) you ought to be creating.
> And you have to remember there's an extra 1/8 inch all around when positioning.
> (alternatively you could make a (6+6+1.25+1.25) = 14.5 width image and
> center it).
> 
> Roy
> 
> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Keith <kjrslr@...> wrote:
> > That's what I've done. I took one image and placed it with even boarders onto an 8.5 x 11 new "canvas". I then created a new 17 x 22 "canvas". I then dragged the 8.5 x 11 canvas onto the 17 x 22 canvas(they simply snap to the corners). I then flatten the 17 x 22 and saved it as a tiff(to use in QTR). When I make a print, they no longer have even boarders.
> >
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Keith,
> >>
> >> You will have to create/save the 4 set ganged print in another application like Photoshop. And then print that file in QTR.
> >>
> >> Good luck.
> >>
> >> Shilesh
> >>
> >> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" <kjrslr@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Okay, I've been spoiled by printing out of Lightroom and have been trying to do the same printing out of QTR. Being on Win 7-64, I am not able to access QTR through Lightroom. This has been discussed before so I won't. Which means that I have to print out of QTR. My problem is printing 4(of the same)images on a single sheet and have the same boarder all the way around each image. In LR I could set my cell size to 8.5 x 11 and 4 would be printed on a 17 x 22 sheet. For example an image is 6 x 8.75. The boarder on either side of the 6 inch side is 1.25 and 1.125 on either side of the 8.75. In LR, no problem, but through QTR is there a way to get the same result?
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Roy Harrington
> roy@...
> www.harrington.com
>

Keith,

I don't know how else to say it:
SCALE image TO FIT into the printable area on the paper.  It figures out the %.
CENTERED centers the image, PLACEMENT lets you set a top & left.

The problem is that your "image" is what you've put together as a
canvas with 4 images on it.
So if you put white space on that you have to remember too many adds
and subtracts.
I think you have all the data plus several ideas from others how to do
it, but yes its a
pain in the neck trying to keep everything straight.

Why don't you skip the grief:  cut the paper first (or buy letter
paper) and just select 4 copies centered.

Roy

On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Keith <kjrslr@comcast.net> wrote:
> Roy,
> What does Scale to fit mean? In the QTR dialoge box there is the box labled SCALE which you can check "To fit" or you can input a %. Then there is the box labled PLACEMENT which you can chose CENTERED or input a dimension for top and left.
> What I'm trying to do is gang 4 of the same image onto a 17 x 22 sheet so that when I cut the sheet I will get (4) 8.5 x 11 sheets, each with the same image with an equal boarder around each image. The image is 6.694 x 8.964 which(on an 8.5 x 11) would leave a boarder of .903 on the L & R sides and 1.018 on the T & B.
> The printable area on a 17 x 22 sheet from an Epson 4800 is 16.75 x 21.32
> I have been trying to place the image within the 8.5 x 11 page so that when it is placed on the 17 x 22 I'm getting various size boarders. I'm trying to take into account the "printable area" of the 17/22 but I keep getting the wrong boarder. Thats whay I ask about the "Scale to Fit" vs % and or Centered  or input a dimension.
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@...> wrote:
>>
>> You don't say what you actually get so its hard to figure out what the
>> exact issue is.
>> But I suspect you are not taking into account the borders that the
>> printer itself and
>> therefore QTR imposes. (QTR does not support borderless printing).
>> But I'll guess you are printing to a 3800/3880 printer.  This has a
>> 1/8 inch border
>> around all sides.  So the max image that can be printed on 17x22 paper
>> is actually
>> 16.75x21.75 -- this is the size "image"(canvas) you ought to be creating.
>> And you have to remember there's an extra 1/8 inch all around when positioning.
>> (alternatively you could make a (6+6+1.25+1.25) = 14.5 width image and
>> center it).
>>
>> Roy
>>
>> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Keith <kjrslr@...> wrote:
>> > That's what I've done. I took one image and placed it with even boarders onto an 8.5 x 11 new "canvas". I then created a new 17 x 22 "canvas". I then dragged the 8.5 x 11 canvas onto the 17 x 22 canvas(they simply snap to the corners). I then flatten the 17 x 22 and saved it as a tiff(to use in QTR). When I make a print, they no longer have even boarders.
>> >
>> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Keith,
>> >>
>> >> You will have to create/save the 4 set ganged print in another application like Photoshop. And then print that file in QTR.
>> >>
>> >> Good luck.
>> >>
>> >> Shilesh
>> >>
>> >> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" <kjrslr@> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Okay, I've been spoiled by printing out of Lightroom and have been trying to do the same printing out of QTR. Being on Win 7-64, I am not able to access QTR through Lightroom. This has been discussed before so I won't. Which means that I have to print out of QTR. My problem is printing 4(of the same)images on a single sheet and have the same boarder all the way around each image. In LR I could set my cell size to 8.5 x 11 and 4 would be printed on a 17 x 22 sheet. For example an image is 6 x 8.75. The boarder on either side of the 6 inch side is 1.25 and 1.125 on either side of the 8.75. In LR, no problem, but through QTR is there a way to get the same result?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Roy Harrington
>> roy@...
>> www.harrington.com
>>
>
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>



-- 
Roy Harrington
roy@...
www.harrington.com

Thanks for getting back to me Roy. I know it's a pain in the neck, but there has to be a logical way. i thought about doing cut sheets, but the drawback to that is I have to feed them one at a time. The paper, Canson Baryta, Photographique, has such a slick backside, that the printer doesn't want to pick it up. The paper has to be face down in the tray. It's the only paper that I've had this problem with.
As to your comment "just select 4 copies centered." Again, is that centered on the paper or "in the printable area" which would not be centered on the sheet.
What I had done in previous attempts is select "Centered" at both Scaled to fit and at 100%.  

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@...> wrote:

>
> Keith,
> 
> I don't know how else to say it:
> SCALE image TO FIT into the printable area on the paper.  It figures out the %.
> CENTERED centers the image, PLACEMENT lets you set a top & left.
> 
> The problem is that your "image" is what you've put together as a
> canvas with 4 images on it.
> So if you put white space on that you have to remember too many adds
> and subtracts.
> I think you have all the data plus several ideas from others how to do
> it, but yes its a
> pain in the neck trying to keep everything straight.
> 
> Why don't you skip the grief:  cut the paper first (or buy letter
> paper) and just select 4 copies centered.
> 
> Roy

I believe QTRgui does centered on the paper not the printable area.
But in general, different programs, different systems
and different printers do things differently -- and I happen to use
different in all those categories.

If you've done a centered print get the ruler out and measure it.
There is a simple logical way to do it but you must lay
it all out mathematically and then see if you are correct.  You can't
do it by guessing.  Correct your layout if you got it wrong.
The only advice I have is to make an image no greater than the
printable area and print it at 100%.

Roy

On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Keith <kjrslr@...> wrote:
> Thanks for getting back to me Roy. I know it's a pain in the neck, but there has to be a logical way. i thought about doing cut sheets, but the drawback to that is I have to feed them one at a time. The paper, Canson Baryta, Photographique, has such a slick backside, that the printer doesn't want to pick it up. The paper has to be face down in the tray. It's the only paper that I've had this problem with.
> As to your comment "just select 4 copies centered." Again, is that centered on the paper or "in the printable area" which would not be centered on the sheet.
> What I had done in previous attempts is select "Centered" at both Scaled to fit and at 100%.
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@...> wrote:
>>
>> Keith,
>>
>> I don't know how else to say it:
>> SCALE image TO FIT into the printable area on the paper.  It figures out the %.
>> CENTERED centers the image, PLACEMENT lets you set a top & left.
>>
>> The problem is that your "image" is what you've put together as a
>> canvas with 4 images on it.
>> So if you put white space on that you have to remember too many adds
>> and subtracts.
>> I think you have all the data plus several ideas from others how to do
>> it, but yes its a
>> pain in the neck trying to keep everything straight.
>>
>> Why don't you skip the grief:  cut the paper first (or buy letter
>> paper) and just select 4 copies centered.
>>
>> Roy
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>



-- 
Roy Harrington
roy@harrington.com
www.harrington.com

With the 4800 you can feed this paper on a straight path - either from the front or the back- it shouldn't be in the paper tray in the first place - you will need to feed each sheet, but in between you will have a little time to catch up on your reading - you can script the "ganged" format set -up in photoshop so you only need to do it once - when I do this I also use the line tool to make very light gray 1 pixel thick cut marks. it helps

Berel Lutsky
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UW Manitowoc
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