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Limit on number of Linearize values in ink descriptor file?

Limit on number of Linearize values in ink descriptor file?

2018-04-27 by clay@...

I am retooling some of my old pt/pd digital negative stuff and decided to avail myself of the ability to use the LINEARIZE=" X Y etc" at the end of my ink descriptor file after I got close with the GRAY_CURVE="" technique. I read a 51-step test strip with an i1 , processed the LAB file with the QTR-Linearize-Data.app and pasted the appropriate output for digital negatives at the end of the ink descriptor file. This file failed to compile to a quad file when I used the Install command.


However, when I did the exact same procedure using a 21-step test strip, the file compiled perfectly. Is there a limit to the number of linearization pairs that can appear inside the ink descriptor file?


Ju

Re: Limit on number of Linearize values in ink descriptor file?

2018-04-27 by sanking@...



I read a 51-step test strip with an i1 , processed the LAB file with the QTR-Linearize-Data.app and pasted the appropriate output for digital negatives at the end of the ink descriptor file. This file failed to compile to a quad file when I used the Install command.

Using 51-step strips with LINEARIZE is possible, but the minor variations in densities that often result when measuring step wedges made with hand coated processes can cause the process to fail at one of two points. The first point is when we drop the the .txt file on the QTR-Linearize-Data app, and a command is returned that the values are out of order. However, even if that works, the install command may fail when we copy the LINEARIZE numbers to the profile and run the install command. The issue is that for LINEARIZE to work the LAB values must be consistently increasing or decreasing. In some cases the consistency is enough for the app to create the necessary numbers and work in the first step, but not with the precision needed for the install program in the second step.

It is possible to "fudge" the numbers, but that of course defeats the purpose.

Sandy

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Limit on number of Linearize values in ink descriptor file?

2018-04-27 by Roy Harrington

The issue with 51-steps is that the measurement noise can introduce extra wiggles in the
correction curve (linearizing). I'd recommend the 21x4 which averages 4 samples of each patch.
On a Mac the Data-Tool program graphs the data so you can see excess wiggles and also
has a smooth function that can be used. This can work better for 51-step data.

Roy
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On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 1:58 PM, skapuskar@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I linearize with 21 steps and results are very good.
After that, where would you insert/apply your 51 step data to fine tune?

Sidney




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Re: Limit on number of Linearize values in ink descriptor file?

2018-05-01 by clay@...

As it turned out, after reading Roy's post, I familiarized myself with the Data-Tool app, and used it to slurp up the 51-step readings from my CGATS file after I stripped off the header and footer information. I picked a smoothing level of 1, clicked the 'negative' check box, and then copied and pasted the calculated LInearize="" string to the end of my ink descriptor file. The file compiled into a .quad file without a problem.

Another approach would be to drop the compiled 21-step .quad file and the 51-step CGATS file onto the Linearize-Quad app and generate a linearized quad file directly. But I suspect that the same issues with measurement file's value smoothness might arise.

However, using the Data-Tool app as an intermediate step is really nice and seems to solve the problem. Once again Roy, thanks!

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