QTR-Quadtone RIP

Hi,

I've got a 2200 loaded with the original UT inks. I've been using them with IJC/OPM for about 
a year, but thought I'd give QTR a try. I tried using the profile "UT-PK_neutral.txt" on Ilford 
Smooth Pearl but my midtones are completely blue. It appears as if two of the carts are 
swapped into the wrong positions--which I know are not, as I've been printing with this 
set-up for some time. I have used both the IJC/OPM profiles included with the software and 
several provided by other users using the same inks. 

Any suggestions?

Thanks!

Jon

Try other default profiles...there's a generic semigloss as I recall.
This isn't as tricky as some (IJC etc) would like to make it out.



--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Witsell" <jon@a...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> 
> I've got a 2200 loaded with the original UT inks. I've been using 
them with IJC/OPM for about 
> a year, but thought I'd give QTR a try. I tried using the 
profile "UT-PK_neutral.txt" on Ilford 
> Smooth Pearl but my midtones are completely blue. It appears as if 
two of the carts are 
> swapped into the wrong positions--which I know are not, as I've 
been printing with this 
> set-up for some time. I have used both the IJC/OPM profiles 
included with the software and 

> several provided by other users using the same inks. 
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Jon
>

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "djon43" <djon43@y...> wrote:
>
> Try other default profiles...there's a generic semigloss as I recall.

No, there is the profile I mentioned and "UT-PK_warm" and "UT-PK_cool".

I mixed the two 50-50, then tried each separately. No dice. I looks like the toners are 
being put down in place of the 50% gray.

I tried the "UT-MK_neutral" on some Condor also--same deal. Blue toner where the 50% 
gray should be. I also tried "UT-MK_warm" and "UT-MK_cool" mixed 50-50, with the same 
results.

Not looking good...

> This isn't as tricky as some (IJC etc) would like to make it out.

I don't know what you mean by this. OPM isn't tricky by a long shot. The supplied profiles 
are excellent and get (slightly) better with linearization. After working with both software 
packages, I'd say at this point IJC/OPM is the simpler to get started with.

Jon

> 
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Witsell" <jon@a...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I've got a 2200 loaded with the original UT inks. I've been using 
> them with IJC/OPM for about 
> > a year, but thought I'd give QTR a try. I tried using the 
> profile "UT-PK_neutral.txt" on Ilford 
> > Smooth Pearl but my midtones are completely blue. It appears as if 
> two of the carts are 
> > swapped into the wrong positions--which I know are not, as I've 
> been printing with this 
> > set-up for some time. I have used both the IJC/OPM profiles 
> included with the software and 
> > several provided by other users using the same inks. 
> > 
> > Any suggestions?
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > Jon
> >
>

>I'd say at this point IJC/OPM is the simpler to get started with<

Jon, I have no experience or opinions re IJC/OPM ...  using it you
complain about incredibly bad results. That's why I suggested that the
simplest possible approach, pure QTR (nothing from IJC/OPM or other
vendors), might help you escape your bizarre results...a fresh start.
Just a thought.

This is a QTR group...I wonder if anybody who relies on QTR has
experienced problems like yours...

best wishes, in any case :-)

John

> 
> Jon
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Witsell" <jon@a...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I've got a 2200 loaded with the original UT inks. I've been using 
> > them with IJC/OPM for about 
> > > a year, but thought I'd give QTR a try. I tried using the 
> > profile "UT-PK_neutral.txt" on Ilford 
> > > Smooth Pearl but my midtones are completely blue. It appears as if 
> > two of the carts are 
> > > swapped into the wrong positions--which I know are not, as I've 
> > been printing with this 
> > > set-up for some time. I have used both the IJC/OPM profiles 
> > included with the software and 
> > > several provided by other users using the same inks. 
> > > 
> > > Any suggestions?
> > > 
> > > Thanks!
> > > 
> > > Jon
> > >
> >
>

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "djon43" <djon43@y...> wrote:
>
>  >I'd say at this point IJC/OPM is the simpler to get started with<
> 
> Jon, I have no experience or opinions re IJC/OPM ...  using it you
> complain about incredibly bad results.

Your post is very bizarre. You must be confusing me with someone else--I've never 
complained about IJC/OPM, nor have I ever gotten "incredibly bad results". The only 
problem I'm having is when I try QTR and get very bad results.

That's why I suggested that the
> simplest possible approach, pure QTR (nothing from IJC/OPM or other
> vendors), might help you escape your bizarre results...a fresh start.
> Just a thought.
> 

Uh... that is when I'm getting the bizarre results. Let me reitirate:

IJC/OPM works fine. I've been printing with it since the software was first released. I 
thought I would try QTR--just to see how it works. That's all. Unfortunately, with the MIS-
UT inks (which I've been using for over a year), there seems to be a problem.

> This is a QTR group...I wonder if anybody who relies on QTR has
> experienced problems like yours...
> 

Exactly. That is WHY I posted to this group... to see if anyone else is using QTR with the 
MIS-UT inks and ever saw this issue...

> best wishes, in any case :-)
>

Thanks. When my 2400 arrives tonight, I might give QTR a try again.

Jon

> John
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > Jon
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Witsell" <jon@a...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > I've got a 2200 loaded with the original UT inks. I've been using 
> > > them with IJC/OPM for about 
> > > > a year, but thought I'd give QTR a try. I tried using the 
> > > profile "UT-PK_neutral.txt" on Ilford 
> > > > Smooth Pearl but my midtones are completely blue. It appears as if 
> > > two of the carts are 
> > > > swapped into the wrong positions--which I know are not, as I've 
> > > been printing with this 
> > > > set-up for some time. I have used both the IJC/OPM profiles 
> > > included with the software and 
> > > > several provided by other users using the same inks. 
> > > > 
> > > > Any suggestions?
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > 
> > > > Jon
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Jon

Not having used IJC/OPM or UT inks (although I've used the UT7 with QTR on
my 2200), I don't have direct experience applicable to your problem.
However, since the ink positions can be somewhat arbitrary is it possible
that IJC/OPM expects inks in different position from that expected by the
QTR curve you tried?

Just a thought...

Tom Moore

> -----Original Message-----
> From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Jon Witsell


...

Hi Tom,


> Not having used IJC/OPM or UT inks (although I've used the UT7 with QTR on
> my 2200), I don't have direct experience applicable to your problem.
> However, since the ink positions can be somewhat arbitrary is it possible
> that IJC/OPM expects inks in different position from that expected by the
> QTR curve you tried?

That is what I thought--but if you look at the ink config page here:

http://www.inksupply.com/ut2200bh.cfm

It appears that IJC/OPM and QTR profiles both should be set for that ink configuration. I 
would be an easy test just to swap the 50% and blue toner cart, but I have CFS and tubes 
get out of place.

Hmmm... I think I just discovered something here:

http://www.inksupply.com/ut7_2200.cfm

I bet the mix up has to do with whether the inks are UT or UT7... I'll check when I get 
home.

Thanks,

Jon

> 
> Just a thought...
> 
> Tom Moore
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of Jon Witsell
> 
> 
> ...
>

Jon

I don't recall you stating that you were using UT7 inks. They are definitely
different positions than the UT.

So if you used a QTR UT curve with UT7 inks (or vice versa), you would get
very strange results.

Tom

> -----Original Message-----
> From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Jon Witsell
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:13 PM
> To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Anyone using QTR with MIS Ultratone Inks?
> 
> Hi Tom,
> 
> 
> > Not having used IJC/OPM or UT inks (although I've used the UT7 with QTR
> on
> > my 2200), I don't have direct experience applicable to your problem.
> > However, since the ink positions can be somewhat arbitrary is it
> possible
> > that IJC/OPM expects inks in different position from that expected by
> the
> > QTR curve you tried?
> 
> That is what I thought--but if you look at the ink config page here:
> 
> http://www.inksupply.com/ut2200bh.cfm
> 
> It appears that IJC/OPM and QTR profiles both should be set for that ink
> configuration. I
> would be an easy test just to swap the 50% and blue toner cart, but I have
> CFS and tubes
> get out of place.
> 
> Hmmm... I think I just discovered something here:
> 
> http://www.inksupply.com/ut7_2200.cfm
> 
> I bet the mix up has to do with whether the inks are UT or UT7... I'll
> check when I get
> home.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jon
> 
> >
> > Just a thought...
> >
> > Tom Moore
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com]
> On
> > > Behalf Of Jon Witsell
> >
> >
> > ...
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
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Hi Tom,

I'm using "UT" inks. No the UT7s. I was just wondering if the profiles had gotten switched 
somehow--and I'm actually have UT7 profiles that are misnamed as UT profiles. I double 
checked my download of QTR and I am definately using the profiles in the "UT" folder. I'll 
have to play around with it some more to find out what is going on...

Thanks,

Jon

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Moore" <r.t.moore@r...> wrote:

>
> Jon
> 
> I don't recall you stating that you were using UT7 inks. They are definitely
> different positions than the UT.
> 
> So if you used a QTR UT curve with UT7 inks (or vice versa), you would get
> very strange results.
> 
> Tom
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of Jon Witsell
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:13 PM
> > To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Anyone using QTR with MIS Ultratone Inks?
> > 
> > Hi Tom,
> > 
> > 
> > > Not having used IJC/OPM or UT inks (although I've used the UT7 with QTR
> > on
> > > my 2200), I don't have direct experience applicable to your problem.
> > > However, since the ink positions can be somewhat arbitrary is it
> > possible
> > > that IJC/OPM expects inks in different position from that expected by
> > the
> > > QTR curve you tried?
> > 
> > That is what I thought--but if you look at the ink config page here:
> > 
> > http://www.inksupply.com/ut2200bh.cfm
> > 
> > It appears that IJC/OPM and QTR profiles both should be set for that ink
> > configuration. I
> > would be an easy test just to swap the 50% and blue toner cart, but I have
> > CFS and tubes
> > get out of place.
> > 
> > Hmmm... I think I just discovered something here:
> > 
> > http://www.inksupply.com/ut7_2200.cfm
> > 
> > I bet the mix up has to do with whether the inks are UT or UT7... I'll
> > check when I get
> > home.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Jon
> > 
> > >
> > > Just a thought...
> > >
> > > Tom Moore
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com]
> > On
> > > > Behalf Of Jon Witsell
> > >
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
>

Hi Jon,

you can right click the curve name in QTRgui and select 'Show curve graph'.
That will show you a graph of the actual inks used in the curve, and how
they are used. I checked some of the UT curves and they seem to be
consistent with the ink setup mentioned on this page:

http://www.inksupply.com/ut2200bh.cfm

If you print with 100% of the UT-MK-warm or UT-PK-warm curves and there is
any toner in the print you most definitely have the wrong ink in one of the
ink positions. Either of these curves use only the warm inks with no toner.

Another possibility is that the UT curves for QTR simply aren't very good.
Not all of the curves are made by Roy, and not all of them have been checked
by other users so quality might vary. 

You need to print with the resolution that the curves were designed for.
Usually most curves are designed for 1440dpi, but there has been some curves
designed for other resolutions, usually 2880dpi, as well.

--
Daniel Staver
http://daniel.staver.no

> -----Original Message-----
> From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Witsell
> Sent: 22. desember 2005 04:23
> To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Anyone using QTR with MIS Ultratone Inks?
> 
> Hi Tom,
> 
> I'm using "UT" inks. No the UT7s. I was just wondering if the 
> profiles had gotten switched somehow--and I'm actually have 
> UT7 profiles that are misnamed as UT profiles. I double 
> checked my download of QTR and I am definately using the 
> profiles in the "UT" folder. I'll have to play around with it 
> some more to find out what is going on...