QTR-Quadtone RIP

I am at the beginning of trying to get QTR to see my Epson 10000. I  
have it both connected via USB and network. If I run the Epson  
utility from within Printer Setup Utility in OSX it sees it fine,  
both via USB and network, and even provides status of ink remaining.  
But if in Photoshop I set up everything correctly and ready to print,  
it appears to rip it, but will not send the data to the printer. If I  
just print to preview it looks fine and again if I hit the print  
button from there I see the status bar saying it is printing and then  
within seconds it clears and no data is sent to the printer. There  
must be some simple thing I am overlooking.

Thanks,
Mark

I got no response from this last post so I will try again:

I am trying to get QTR to see my Epson 10000. I
have it both connected via USB and network. If I run the Epson
utility from within Printer Setup Utility in OSX it sees it fine,
both via USB and network, and even provides status of ink remaining.
But if in Photoshop I set up everything correctly and ready to print,
it appears to rip it, but will not send the data to the printer. If I
just print to preview it looks fine and again if I hit the print
button from there I see the status bar saying it is printing and then
within seconds it clears and no data is sent to the printer. There
must be some simple thing I am overlooking.

Thanks,
Mark

Hi Mark,

I see you've had a couple questions about the 10000.
First, I've never had access to a 10000 so I not sure what 
idiosyncrasies it may have.
Also I haven't be able to run tests on the printer.

I don't think using the Epson UC inks will work as well as the 9600 
because it's a 6 ink
printer rather than 7 inks.   The light-black is key for the B&W 
printing on the 9600.

I suspect that connecting to both the USB port and the network port may 
be causing
the communication problem.   I think you should be able to use either 
connection
with QTR.   (Running DiagnosticScript may also have more clues if 
necessary.)

There has been interest in using the Cone K6 inks on the 10000 printer 
so that may be
the "supported" inkset in the future.

Roy

On Saturday, January 6, 2007, at 07:02  AM, Mark Savoia wrote:

> Roy,
> I posted this on the QTR RIP Yahoo group and it did not show up after 
> a few hours, not sure why. Anyway this is what I posted, can you help 
> me?
>
> I am at the beginning of trying to get QTR to see my Epson 10000. I 
> have it both connected via USB and network. If I run the Epson utility 
> from within Printer Setup Utility in OSX it sees it fine, both via USB 
> and network, and even provides status of ink remaining. But if in 
> Photoshop I set up everything correctly and ready to print, it appears 
> to rip it, but will not send the data to the printer. If I just print 
> to preview it looks fine and again if I hit the print button from 
> there I see the status bar saying it is printing and then within 
> seconds it clears and no data is sent to the printer. There must be 
> some simple thing I am overlooking.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
>
-
Roy Harrington
roy@...m
Black & White Photo Gallery
http://www.harrington.com

Mark Savoia wrote:
> I am at the beginning of trying to get QTR to see my Epson 10000. I  
> have it both connected via USB and network. If I run the Epson  
> utility from within Printer Setup Utility in OSX it sees it fine,  
> both via USB and network, and even provides status of ink remaining.  
> But if in Photoshop I set up everything correctly and ready to print,  
> it appears to rip it, but will not send the data to the printer. If I  
> just print to preview it looks fine and again if I hit the print  
> button from there I see the status bar saying it is printing and then  
> within seconds it clears and no data is sent to the printer. There  
> must be some simple thing I am overlooking.


Mark,


I'm on Windows so I may have skipped your message for that 
reason.

When I select the 10000CF at the name entry in the top right 
of the QTRgui (Windows) and for example Quad9000-NK6 as the 
printing model + feed a sheet and set sheet in QTR I get a 
print. The printer is connected with Ethernet and the Epson 
driver's spooler window shows the spooled file as well. Of 
course the print is waste as the printer has color inks. I 
have done it right now to make sure I'm not mistaken.

If you can print through the Epson driver with the network 
connection then there's something wrong with the route of QTR 
to the spooler of the Epson driver. Something begins to become 
clear now. I have both a 9000 (the quad one) and the 10000CF 
driver installed on my Windows system. Both Epson drivers. I 
can fool QTR(gui) by setting it on the 10000CF route for the 
data but sending 9000 data. It is possible that you can't do 
that with the Photoshop/Mac/QTR combination.

BTW, another approach, your printer is now  incarnated as a 
10600 if I'm correct, so you drive it as a 10600 meanwhile. 
Epson 10600 driver installed etc. Could it be that you can no 
longer send it 9000 data like I can on the 10000CF but that 
the protocol has been changed to something more 9600 like. 
What I remember of sending 9600 data to the 10000CF was some 
activity and a lot of errors and no print. Will not try that 
again.

The USB connection to the printer is to another PC system so I 
don't know whether that could be a conflict. But  this is all 
Windows so even when I tried that you can't  be sure of its 
relevance to you. I doubt that there's a conflict between USB 
and a network.


Met vriendelijke groeten,  Ernst


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I did try running it with the Epson 10000 driver also, and from the  
10600 driver. The printer accepts either, so I doubt it has been  
"blessed" as a 10600 printer from then on. I can print color fine via  
USB or network. Roy got back to me and said he was not sure of all  
the idiosyncrasies the 10000/10600 may have. BTW, I now call my  
printer a 10000.5  :)

Scratching head on this one.
Mark

On Jan 8, 2007, at 7:28 AM, Ernst Dinkla wrote:

> Mark Savoia wrote:
>> I am at the beginning of trying to get QTR to see my Epson 10000. I
>> have it both connected via USB and network. If I run the Epson
>> utility from within Printer Setup Utility in OSX it sees it fine,
>> both via USB and network, and even provides status of ink remaining.
>> But if in Photoshop I set up everything correctly and ready to print,
>> it appears to rip it, but will not send the data to the printer. If I
>> just print to preview it looks fine and again if I hit the print
>> button from there I see the status bar saying it is printing and then
>> within seconds it clears and no data is sent to the printer. There
>> must be some simple thing I am overlooking.
>
>
> Mark,
>
>
> I'm on Windows so I may have skipped your message for that
> reason.
>
> When I select the 10000CF at the name entry in the top right
> of the QTRgui (Windows) and for example Quad9000-NK6 as the
> printing model + feed a sheet and set sheet in QTR I get a
> print. The printer is connected with Ethernet and the Epson
> driver's spooler window shows the spooled file as well. Of
> course the print is waste as the printer has color inks. I
> have done it right now to make sure I'm not mistaken.
>
> If you can print through the Epson driver with the network
> connection then there's something wrong with the route of QTR
> to the spooler of the Epson driver. Something begins to become
> clear now. I have both a 9000 (the quad one) and the 10000CF
> driver installed on my Windows system. Both Epson drivers. I
> can fool QTR(gui) by setting it on the 10000CF route for the
> data but sending 9000 data. It is possible that you can't do
> that with the Photoshop/Mac/QTR combination.
>
> BTW, another approach, your printer is now  incarnated as a
> 10600 if I'm correct, so you drive it as a 10600 meanwhile.
> Epson 10600 driver installed etc. Could it be that you can no
> longer send it 9000 data like I can on the 10000CF but that
> the protocol has been changed to something more 9600 like.
> What I remember of sending 9600 data to the 10000CF was some
> activity and a lot of errors and no print. Will not try that
> again.
>
> The USB connection to the printer is to another PC system so I
> don't know whether that could be a conflict. But  this is all
> Windows so even when I tried that you can't  be sure of its
> relevance to you. I doubt that there's a conflict between USB
> and a network.
>
>
> Met vriendelijke groeten,  Ernst
>
>
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>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>
>
>

I don't know but I have had the same thing happen when the qtr curve
that I created wasn't made properly. If the curve is not accepted it
never starts printing on my 7000.

john




--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia <mark@...> wrote:

>
> I did try running it with the Epson 10000 driver also, and from the  
> 10600 driver. The printer accepts either, so I doubt it has been  
> "blessed" as a 10600 printer from then on. I can print color fine via  
> USB or network. Roy got back to me and said he was not sure of all  
> the idiosyncrasies the 10000/10600 may have. BTW, I now call my  
> printer a 10000.5  :)
> 
> Scratching head on this one.
> Mark
>

I started to play with doing it in Studio Print but was not getting  
gray tones, there was always a color cast. I think the whole  
procedure for making the profile is too heady. I have much else to do  
in a day, like print, then spend hours getting it to work. This is  
why I thought QTR would have all the work done. You asked, "also what  
is the score with Bauhaus", what's that?
Mark

On Jan 8, 2007, at 10:22 PM, john dean wrote:

> Mark,
>
> You are set up for Studio Print. Why in the world are you not going
> that route? That is a sure bet, and possibly what I will have to end
> up doing with NK6. Also what is the score with Bauhaus, does it
> support the 10K?
>
> John
>
>
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia <mark@...> wrote:
>>
>> I did try running it with the Epson 10000 driver also, and from the
>> 10600 driver. The printer accepts either, so I doubt it has been
>> "blessed" as a 10600 printer from then on. I can print color fine via
>> USB or network. Roy got back to me and said he was not sure of all
>> the idiosyncrasies the 10000/10600 may have. BTW, I now call my
>> printer a 10000.5  :)
>>
>> Scratching head on this one.
>> Mark
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2007, at 7:28 AM, Ernst Dinkla wrote:
>>
>>> Mark Savoia wrote:
>>>> I am at the beginning of trying to get QTR to see my Epson 10000. I
>>>> have it both connected via USB and network. If I run the Epson
>>>> utility from within Printer Setup Utility in OSX it sees it fine,
>>>> both via USB and network, and even provides status of ink  
>>>> remaining.
>>>> But if in Photoshop I set up everything correctly and ready to  
>>>> print,
>>>> it appears to rip it, but will not send the data to the printer.  
>>>> If I
>>>> just print to preview it looks fine and again if I hit the print
>>>> button from there I see the status bar saying it is printing and  
>>>> then
>>>> within seconds it clears and no data is sent to the printer. There
>>>> must be some simple thing I am overlooking.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm on Windows so I may have skipped your message for that
>>> reason.
>>>
>>> When I select the 10000CF at the name entry in the top right
>>> of the QTRgui (Windows) and for example Quad9000-NK6 as the
>>> printing model + feed a sheet and set sheet in QTR I get a
>>> print. The printer is connected with Ethernet and the Epson
>>> driver's spooler window shows the spooled file as well. Of
>>> course the print is waste as the printer has color inks. I
>>> have done it right now to make sure I'm not mistaken.
>>>
>>> If you can print through the Epson driver with the network
>>> connection then there's something wrong with the route of QTR
>>> to the spooler of the Epson driver. Something begins to become
>>> clear now. I have both a 9000 (the quad one) and the 10000CF
>>> driver installed on my Windows system. Both Epson drivers. I
>>> can fool QTR(gui) by setting it on the 10000CF route for the
>>> data but sending 9000 data. It is possible that you can't do
>>> that with the Photoshop/Mac/QTR combination.
>>>
>>> BTW, another approach, your printer is now  incarnated as a
>>> 10600 if I'm correct, so you drive it as a 10600 meanwhile.
>>> Epson 10600 driver installed etc. Could it be that you can no
>>> longer send it 9000 data like I can on the 10000CF but that
>>> the protocol has been changed to something more 9600 like.
>>> What I remember of sending 9600 data to the 10000CF was some
>>> activity and a lot of errors and no print. Will not try that
>>> again.
>>>
>>> The USB connection to the printer is to another PC system so I
>>> don't know whether that could be a conflict. But  this is all
>>> Windows so even when I tried that you can't  be sure of its
>>> relevance to you. I doubt that there's a conflict between USB
>>> and a network.
>>>
>>>
>>> Met vriendelijke groeten,  Ernst
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Unfortunately there are no pre-done curves in QTR for the 10000. So  
no curve choices. And I can't make any because the printer will not  
print. Roy looked at the code in QTR for the 10000 and figured out  
what is wrong, said he would fix in next version. Guess I will just  
wait.
Mark

On Jan 8, 2007, at 10:40 PM, john dean wrote:

> I don't know but I have had the same thing happen when the qtr curve
> that I created wasn't made properly. If the curve is not accepted it
> never starts printing on my 7000.
>
> john
>
>
>
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia <mark@...> wrote:
>>
>> I did try running it with the Epson 10000 driver also, and from the
>> 10600 driver. The printer accepts either, so I doubt it has been
>> "blessed" as a 10600 printer from then on. I can print color fine via
>> USB or network. Roy got back to me and said he was not sure of all
>> the idiosyncrasies the 10000/10600 may have. BTW, I now call my
>> printer a 10000.5  :)
>>
>> Scratching head on this one.
>> Mark
>>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Mark Savoia wrote:
> I started to play with doing it in Studio Print but was not getting  
> gray tones, there was always a color cast. I think the whole  
> procedure for making the profile is too heady. I have much else to do  
> in a day, like print, then spend hours getting it to work. This is  
> why I thought QTR would have all the work done. You asked, "also what  
> is the score with Bauhaus", what's that?
> Mark

Bowhaus, the American B&W RIP and ink house, not the one in 
Dessau.

http://www.bowhaus.com/services/IJCOPMmain.php4

I do not think you will get better B&W from a 10XXX/X with 
CcMmYK than the 8 pass black only gives you with the normal 
driver. With any RIP.

David Tobie wrote the following in 2003, mainly in relation to 
metamerism:

 >The 9500, 7500, 2000p, and 10000 pigment printers were not, 
from their
release, ever recommended for black and white printing, 
including such tinted black
and whites as sepia-tones, for this very reason. I seem to 
recall it stating
"not for black and white printing" right on the 2000p's box; 
which is an
unusually pubilc place for limitation notices. Notices on the 
10000 box would be
less useful, since it is not display floor packaging <

Still true in my opinion, even with UC inks. I was already a 
bit confused what you actually wanted to do with QTR and a 
CcMmYK printer. I have had all kinds of plans with the 10000 
and QTR, from 6 NK to CMYKkk but in all there were at least 
some grey inks replacing hues. Now I think that a Z3100 does 
all that easier and the 10000 might become a fast dye printer 
for posters that shouldn't last longer than a month indoors, 
both ends of the spectrum in fade resistance and price per 
square meter. They shouldn't bite one another in the market.

Met vriendelijke groeten,Ernst


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