QTR-Quadtone RIP

I just bought a 3800 and downloaded QTR for making digital negatives.

I read through Ron Reeder's PDF on how to create your own profiles in QTR for digi negs.  As 
far as I can tell I followed his instructions exactly and created a test profile and attempted to 
print his supplied step wedge on inkpress transparency.  When I printed the first one, the ink 
was laid down FAR to thick and it would simply smear off.  My first thought was I printed on 
the wrong side of the media, nope.  (Also tried a sheet of OHP so I KNEW I had the right side, 
same thing happened).  Then I thought it had to do with the media type under printer 
features.  I tried transparencies and matte paper.  Neither helped.  Then I thought maybe it 
was because I was trying to use matte ink on a glossy surface, so I switched inks, that didn't 
help.  I looked back to the profile text file and it looked ok to me, nothing was not set, or set 
too high (at least to my eye, I'm knew at this).  I reinstalled the profile and tried one more 
time.  Same thing, ink puddles that smeared easily.  I even tried an ordinary positive print on 
epson media using epson drivers just to rule out a problem with the printer.  That print looks 
lovely.  So if you've acctually read through all this crap and have any advice I would love to 
hear it.

Andy T.

Hi Andy,

I haven't done printing of negs but I know Ron and seen his work.  He uses a
4000 printer instead of a 3800.  This could account for different amount of
ink.
If its mainly an issue of too much ink then just reducing the ink limits
will fix it.
Another issue to check is that you use 2880dpi not 1440.  I think the amount
of
ink is large compared to regular prints so it may need to dry before using.

You should try contacting Ron to see if he recognizes the issues you have.

Roy


On 8/6/07, earthad24 <earthad24@...> wrote:
>
>
> I just bought a 3800 and downloaded QTR for making digital negatives.
>
> I read through Ron Reeder's PDF on how to create your own profiles in QTR
> for digi negs.  As
> far as I can tell I followed his instructions exactly and created a test
> profile and attempted to
> print his supplied step wedge on inkpress transparency.  When I printed
> the first one, the ink
> was laid down FAR to thick and it would simply smear off.  My first
> thought was I printed on
> the wrong side of the media, nope.  (Also tried a sheet of OHP so I KNEW I
> had the right side,
> same thing happened).  Then I thought it had to do with the media type
> under printer
> features.  I tried transparencies and matte paper.  Neither helped.  Then
> I thought maybe it
> was because I was trying to use matte ink on a glossy surface, so I
> switched inks, that didn't
> help.  I looked back to the profile text file and it looked ok to me,
> nothing was not set, or set
> too high (at least to my eye, I'm knew at this).  I reinstalled the
> profile and tried one more
> time.  Same thing, ink puddles that smeared easily.  I even tried an
> ordinary positive print on
> epson media using epson drivers just to rule out a problem with the
> printer.  That print looks
> lovely.  So if you've acctually read through all this crap and have any
> advice I would love to
> hear it.
>
> Andy T.
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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Thanks Roy,

I had 2880 set.  I think there is probably something fundamentlly wrong with the profile I 
wrote because there was WAY to much ink put down; it smeared right off as if I printed on 
the wrong side.  I will contact Ron and see if he has any advice.  Thank again.

Andy


--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Harrington" <roy@...> wrote:

>
> Hi Andy,
> 
> I haven't done printing of negs but I know Ron and seen his work.  He uses a
> 4000 printer instead of a 3800.  This could account for different amount of
> ink.
> If its mainly an issue of too much ink then just reducing the ink limits
> will fix it.
> Another issue to check is that you use 2880dpi not 1440.  I think the amount
> of
> ink is large compared to regular prints so it may need to dry before using.
> 
> You should try contacting Ron to see if he recognizes the issues you have.
> 
> Roy
> 
> 
> On 8/6/07, earthad24 <earthad24@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I just bought a 3800 and downloaded QTR for making digital negatives.
> >
> > I read through Ron Reeder's PDF on how to create your own profiles in QTR
> > for digi negs.  As
> > far as I can tell I followed his instructions exactly and created a test
> > profile and attempted to
> > print his supplied step wedge on inkpress transparency.  When I printed
> > the first one, the ink
> > was laid down FAR to thick and it would simply smear off.  My first
> > thought was I printed on
> > the wrong side of the media, nope.  (Also tried a sheet of OHP so I KNEW I
> > had the right side,
> > same thing happened).  Then I thought it had to do with the media type
> > under printer
> > features.  I tried transparencies and matte paper.  Neither helped.  Then
> > I thought maybe it
> > was because I was trying to use matte ink on a glossy surface, so I
> > switched inks, that didn't
> > help.  I looked back to the profile text file and it looked ok to me,
> > nothing was not set, or set
> > too high (at least to my eye, I'm knew at this).  I reinstalled the
> > profile and tried one more
> > time.  Same thing, ink puddles that smeared easily.  I even tried an
> > ordinary positive print on
> > epson media using epson drivers just to rule out a problem with the
> > printer.  That print looks
> > lovely.  So if you've acctually read through all this crap and have any
> > advice I would love to
> > hear it.
> >
> > Andy T.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Andy,

just want to inform you that I just printed a digital negative on OHP 
with the 3800. 
I used the settings: ABW,media: Premier Glossy Photo Paper and 2800 
dpi

I measured a dmax of 2.42 and followed the procedure written down in 
the book of Ron Reeder to make a correction curve for OHP. Only small 
corrections where necessary Next step will be a print on Kentmere 
document paper to make a print for bromoil.

remko



 --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Harrington" <roy@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Andy,
> 
> I haven't done printing of negs but I know Ron and seen his work.  
He uses a
> 4000 printer instead of a 3800.  This could account for different 
amount of
> ink.
> If its mainly an issue of too much ink then just reducing the ink 
limits
> will fix it.
> Another issue to check is that you use 2880dpi not 1440.  I think 
the amount
> of
> ink is large compared to regular prints so it may need to dry 
before using.
> 
> You should try contacting Ron to see if he recognizes the issues 
you have.
> 
> Roy
> 
> 
> On 8/6/07, earthad24 <earthad24@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I just bought a 3800 and downloaded QTR for making digital 
negatives.
> >
> > I read through Ron Reeder's PDF on how to create your own 
profiles in QTR
> > for digi negs.  As
> > far as I can tell I followed his instructions exactly and created 
a test
> > profile and attempted to
> > print his supplied step wedge on inkpress transparency.  When I 
printed
> > the first one, the ink
> > was laid down FAR to thick and it would simply smear off.  My 
first
> > thought was I printed on
> > the wrong side of the media, nope.  (Also tried a sheet of OHP so 
I KNEW I
> > had the right side,
> > same thing happened).  Then I thought it had to do with the media 
type
> > under printer
> > features.  I tried transparencies and matte paper.  Neither 
helped.  Then
> > I thought maybe it
> > was because I was trying to use matte ink on a glossy surface, so 
I
> > switched inks, that didn't
> > help.  I looked back to the profile text file and it looked ok to 
me,
> > nothing was not set, or set
> > too high (at least to my eye, I'm knew at this).  I reinstalled 
the
> > profile and tried one more
> > time.  Same thing, ink puddles that smeared easily.  I even tried 
an
> > ordinary positive print on
> > epson media using epson drivers just to rule out a problem with 
the
> > printer.  That print looks
> > lovely.  So if you've acctually read through all this crap and 
have any

> > advice I would love to
> > hear it.
> >
> > Andy T.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

remko,

The correction curve you made is that in photoshop, or did you actually edit the profiles 
textfile?

Andy


--- In QuadtoneRIP@...m, "remkopieter" <r.p.de.graaff@...> wrote:

>
> Andy,
> 
> just want to inform you that I just printed a digital negative on OHP 
> with the 3800. 
> I used the settings: ABW,media: Premier Glossy Photo Paper and 2800 
> dpi
> 
> I measured a dmax of 2.42 and followed the procedure written down in 
> the book of Ron Reeder to make a correction curve for OHP. Only small 
> corrections where necessary Next step will be a print on Kentmere 
> document paper to make a print for bromoil.
> 
> remko
> 
> 
> 
>  --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Harrington" <roy@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Andy,
> > 
> > I haven't done printing of negs but I know Ron and seen his work.  
> He uses a
> > 4000 printer instead of a 3800.  This could account for different 
> amount of
> > ink.
> > If its mainly an issue of too much ink then just reducing the ink 
> limits
> > will fix it.
> > Another issue to check is that you use 2880dpi not 1440.  I think 
> the amount
> > of
> > ink is large compared to regular prints so it may need to dry 
> before using.
> > 
> > You should try contacting Ron to see if he recognizes the issues 
> you have.
> > 
> > Roy
> > 
> > 
> > On 8/6/07, earthad24 <earthad24@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I just bought a 3800 and downloaded QTR for making digital 
> negatives.
> > >
> > > I read through Ron Reeder's PDF on how to create your own 
> profiles in QTR
> > > for digi negs.  As
> > > far as I can tell I followed his instructions exactly and created 
> a test
> > > profile and attempted to
> > > print his supplied step wedge on inkpress transparency.  When I 
> printed
> > > the first one, the ink
> > > was laid down FAR to thick and it would simply smear off.  My 
> first
> > > thought was I printed on
> > > the wrong side of the media, nope.  (Also tried a sheet of OHP so 
> I KNEW I
> > > had the right side,
> > > same thing happened).  Then I thought it had to do with the media 
> type
> > > under printer
> > > features.  I tried transparencies and matte paper.  Neither 
> helped.  Then
> > > I thought maybe it
> > > was because I was trying to use matte ink on a glossy surface, so 
> I
> > > switched inks, that didn't
> > > help.  I looked back to the profile text file and it looked ok to 
> me,
> > > nothing was not set, or set
> > > too high (at least to my eye, I'm knew at this).  I reinstalled 
> the
> > > profile and tried one more
> > > time.  Same thing, ink puddles that smeared easily.  I even tried 
> an
> > > ordinary positive print on
> > > epson media using epson drivers just to rule out a problem with 
> the
> > > printer.  That print looks
> > > lovely.  So if you've acctually read through all this crap and 
> have any
> > > advice I would love to
> > > hear it.
> > >
> > > Andy T.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Hi Andy,

I made the corrections with a curve in PS. depending of the print 
results on the Kentmere paper I will use QTR or not. I don't think 
there is much to gain using QTR against the Epson AWB-driver because 
of the process to come to the defenitive print that followes.


remko 


--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "earthad24" <earthad24@...> wrote:
>
> remko,
> 
> The correction curve you made is that in photoshop, or did you 
actually edit the profiles 
> textfile?
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "remkopieter" <r.p.de.graaff@> 
wrote:
> >
> > Andy,
> > 
> > just want to inform you that I just printed a digital negative on 
OHP 
> > with the 3800. 
> > I used the settings: ABW,media: Premier Glossy Photo Paper and 
2800 
> > dpi
> > 
> > I measured a dmax of 2.42 and followed the procedure written down 
in 
> > the book of Ron Reeder to make a correction curve for OHP. Only 
small 
> > corrections where necessary Next step will be a print on Kentmere 
> > document paper to make a print for bromoil.
> > 
> > remko
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Harrington" <roy@> 
wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Andy,
> > > 
> > > I haven't done printing of negs but I know Ron and seen his 
work.  
> > He uses a
> > > 4000 printer instead of a 3800.  This could account for 
different 
> > amount of
> > > ink.
> > > If its mainly an issue of too much ink then just reducing the 
ink 
> > limits
> > > will fix it.
> > > Another issue to check is that you use 2880dpi not 1440.  I 
think 
> > the amount
> > > of
> > > ink is large compared to regular prints so it may need to dry 
> > before using.
> > > 
> > > You should try contacting Ron to see if he recognizes the 
issues 
> > you have.
> > > 
> > > Roy
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 8/6/07, earthad24 <earthad24@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I just bought a 3800 and downloaded QTR for making digital 
> > negatives.
> > > >
> > > > I read through Ron Reeder's PDF on how to create your own 
> > profiles in QTR
> > > > for digi negs.  As
> > > > far as I can tell I followed his instructions exactly and 
created 
> > a test
> > > > profile and attempted to
> > > > print his supplied step wedge on inkpress transparency.  When 
I 
> > printed
> > > > the first one, the ink
> > > > was laid down FAR to thick and it would simply smear off.  My 
> > first
> > > > thought was I printed on
> > > > the wrong side of the media, nope.  (Also tried a sheet of 
OHP so 
> > I KNEW I
> > > > had the right side,
> > > > same thing happened).  Then I thought it had to do with the 
media 
> > type
> > > > under printer
> > > > features.  I tried transparencies and matte paper.  Neither 
> > helped.  Then
> > > > I thought maybe it
> > > > was because I was trying to use matte ink on a glossy 
surface, so 
> > I
> > > > switched inks, that didn't
> > > > help.  I looked back to the profile text file and it looked 
ok to 
> > me,
> > > > nothing was not set, or set
> > > > too high (at least to my eye, I'm knew at this).  I 
reinstalled 
> > the
> > > > profile and tried one more
> > > > time.  Same thing, ink puddles that smeared easily.  I even 
tried 
> > an
> > > > ordinary positive print on
> > > > epson media using epson drivers just to rule out a problem 
with 
> > the
> > > > printer.  That print looks
> > > > lovely.  So if you've acctually read through all this crap 
and 

> > have any
> > > > advice I would love to
> > > > hear it.
> > > >
> > > > Andy T.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>