QTR-Quadtone RIP

Hello!

I've been doing a lot of reading and am still a bit confused. 

1. Is Carbon 6 ink, the same ink as Eboni 6? (The full black)?

2. Do I order Carbon 6 where?

Anyone using Eboni or Carbon 6 in an Epson printer beside Regular Epson Chrome 
Color cartridges?

I would just like to replace the Epson Matte Black in a r1900 with Eboni or 
Carbon 6, and leave the rest of the system as stock for color and glossy.

I've read, Eboni should not be used alongside the Chome Epson inks in a system. 
That the Chrome 6 doesn't have that problem? Correct?

I'd like to order the 4oz Ink with a refillable cartridge. I've read to buy a 
cartridge without a sponge? What about the chip? Auto reset? Or Regular?

If anyone has experience with adding just the MATTE Black ink to an r1900 or 
similar printer, I'd appreciate some guidance. This is a new printer. I'm about 
out of the starter Matte Black. I'd rather put the money into buying 4oz of the 
Carbon Ink than wasting it on a Epson Cartridge.

I'm new at QTR as well, But am getting VERY nice Matte Black prints on 
Strathmore Smooth Bristol Board. Very neutral gray with the stock epson 
cartridge.

Thanks

Marc



      

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>
>
>  1. Is Carbon 6 ink, the same ink as Eboni 6? (The full black)?
>

Eboni-6 is sold by MIS at http://www.inksupply.com/eb6.cfm.  I have a PDF
regarding it at http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-6.pdf.

Carbon-6 is the user-mixed version of Eboni-6.  See
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf

They are both based in the MIS Eboni MK black carbon ink.  It sounds like
what you really want is just MIS Eboni MK, which is the MK ink used in all
the MIS pigment inksets.


> 2. Do I order Carbon 6 where?
>

No, you order the MIS Eboni from MIS Associates.


> I would just like to replace the Epson Matte Black in a r1900 with Eboni or
>
> Carbon 6, and leave the rest of the system as stock for color and glossy.
>

The full strength MIS Eboni is available from MIS in carts or bulk.  One
issue may be whether the chips on the MIS carts is compatible with the chips
on the OEM Epson color carts.  I don't know the answer to that.


> I've read, Eboni should not be used alongside the Chome Epson inks in a
> system.
>

The Eboni-6 dilution base is not compatible with Epson UltraChrome inks.
 Eboni MK does not appear to have that problem.


> I'd like to order the 4oz Ink with a refillable cartridge. I've read to buy
> a
> cartridge without a sponge? What about the chip? Auto reset? Or Regular?
>

The sponges were mostly a problem with the Eboni-6 dilution base.  The full
strength Eboni MK does not have that problem.

Check on chip compatibility.  Ask MIS if no one here answers.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com


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Hi Paul!

Thank you so much for your help. I'm sorry to have bugged you so much but it wasn't so clear in my research. Now I Can't wait to get my Carbon ink!!!

Just have to make sure I get a cartridge with a chip I can use along side the Epson inks.

I did send MIS a ticket asking about the cartridge I need.

Can I just replace the Carbon cartridge for the Epson Matte Black, or do I need to flush the Epson ink first? From my reading that is important to larger printers with tubes that need flushing.

Thanks again!

Marc


To be honest I have been a devo
--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:

>
> >
> >
> >  1. Is Carbon 6 ink, the same ink as Eboni 6? (The full black)?
> >
> 
> Eboni-6 is sold by MIS at http://www.inksupply.com/eb6.cfm.  I have a PDF
> regarding it at http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-6.pdf.
> 
> Carbon-6 is the user-mixed version of Eboni-6.  See
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf
> 
> They are both based in the MIS Eboni MK black carbon ink.  It sounds like
> what you really want is just MIS Eboni MK, which is the MK ink used in all
> the MIS pigment inksets.
> 
> 
> > 2. Do I order Carbon 6 where?
> >
> 
> No, you order the MIS Eboni from MIS Associates.
> 
> 
> > I would just like to replace the Epson Matte Black in a r1900 with Eboni or
> >
> > Carbon 6, and leave the rest of the system as stock for color and glossy.
> >
> 
> The full strength MIS Eboni is available from MIS in carts or bulk.  One
> issue may be whether the chips on the MIS carts is compatible with the chips
> on the OEM Epson color carts.  I don't know the answer to that.
> 
> 
> > I've read, Eboni should not be used alongside the Chome Epson inks in a
> > system.
> >
> 
> The Eboni-6 dilution base is not compatible with Epson UltraChrome inks.
>  Eboni MK does not appear to have that problem.
> 
> 
> > I'd like to order the 4oz Ink with a refillable cartridge. I've read to buy
> > a
> > cartridge without a sponge? What about the chip? Auto reset? Or Regular?
> >
> 
> The sponges were mostly a problem with the Eboni-6 dilution base.  The full
> strength Eboni MK does not have that problem.
> 
> Check on chip compatibility.  Ask MIS if no one here answers.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> 
> > 
> >
> 
> 
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>

On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 11:44 PM, adventeseek <adventeseek@...> wrote:

>
>
> ...
> Can I just replace the Carbon cartridge for the Epson Matte Black, or do I
> need to flush the Epson ink first? From my reading that is important to
> larger printers with tubes that need flushing.
>

Flushing is safer, but probably not necessary if you're just replacing the
Epson MK with Eboni MK.

By the way, unless the 1900 is considerably better than the 1800, using just
a single MK channel to print a B&W might result in a print that shows
microbanding.  That is why the "3-MK" system was set up.  See
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R1800.htm  My experiments almost always
guide me back to 3 channels as the minimum for really good printing, and
those would include light ink if smoothness is important.

When there are no light inks in the mix, prints that have very smooth areas
like plain skies will show some graininess.  Even the 1.5 picoliter drop
printers like the 1800, 1900 and 1400 benefit from lighter inks.  I've used
black only in my 1400 with HP PK (neutral photo black) and more recently the
Noritsu-Epson advanced dye, but it really looks good only when the image has
enough detail to hide the defects.  Some of us have also noticed broader
banding with black only.  In short, for top notch printing using a single
black channel is marginal.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

>
> 
>


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I just received the inks for the R1900 with my surpriser there are just two 
black inks and the glossy optimizer. I was under the impression that your need 
at least three channels of Balck in order to have good result. Did I missed 
something? Should I order some more ink to print on Mate only paper?

Thanks,

Giuseppe

From: Paul Roark <roark.paul@...>
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, January 9, 2011 5:07:47 PM
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Newbee Questing regarding Eboni/Carbon 6 ink?

  
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 11:44 PM, adventeseek <adventeseek@...> wrote:

>
>
> ...
> Can I just replace the Carbon cartridge for the Epson Matte Black, or do I
> need to flush the Epson ink first? From my reading that is important to
> larger printers with tubes that need flushing.
>

Flushing is safer, but probably not necessary if you're just replacing the
Epson MK with Eboni MK.

By the way, unless the 1900 is considerably better than the 1800, using just
a single MK channel to print a B&W might result in a print that shows
microbanding.  That is why the "3-MK" system was set up.  See
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R1800.htm My experiments almost always
guide me back to 3 channels as the minimum for really good printing, and
those would include light ink if smoothness is important.

When there are no light inks in the mix, prints that have very smooth areas
like plain skies will show some graininess.  Even the 1.5 picoliter drop
printers like the 1800, 1900 and 1400 benefit from lighter inks.  I've used
black only in my 1400 with HP PK (neutral photo black) and more recently the
Noritsu-Epson advanced dye, but it really looks good only when the image has
enough detail to hide the defects.  Some of us have also noticed broader
banding with black only.  In short, for top notch printing using a single
black channel is marginal.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

>
> 
>

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I just received the inks for the R1900 with my surpriser there are just two black inks and the glossy optimizer (Clear ink). I was under the impression that your need at least three channels for Black in order to have good result. Did I missed something? Should I order some more ink to print on Mate only paper?

Thanks,

Giuseppe


--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:

>
> On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 11:44 PM, adventeseek <adventeseek@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > ...
> > Can I just replace the Carbon cartridge for the Epson Matte Black, or do I
> > need to flush the Epson ink first? From my reading that is important to
> > larger printers with tubes that need flushing.
> >
> 
> Flushing is safer, but probably not necessary if you're just replacing the
> Epson MK with Eboni MK.
> 
> By the way, unless the 1900 is considerably better than the 1800, using just
> a single MK channel to print a B&W might result in a print that shows
> microbanding.  That is why the "3-MK" system was set up.  See
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R1800.htm  My experiments almost always
> guide me back to 3 channels as the minimum for really good printing, and
> those would include light ink if smoothness is important.
> 
> When there are no light inks in the mix, prints that have very smooth areas
> like plain skies will show some graininess.  Even the 1.5 picoliter drop
> printers like the 1800, 1900 and 1400 benefit from lighter inks.  I've used
> black only in my 1400 with HP PK (neutral photo black) and more recently the
> Noritsu-Epson advanced dye, but it really looks good only when the image has
> enough detail to hide the defects.  Some of us have also noticed broader
> banding with black only.  In short, for top notch printing using a single
> black channel is marginal.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

The "3-MK" system I set up for the 1800 uses 3 channels of Eboni MK.  Epson,
of course, does not support that approach.  The standard 1900 setup is one
MK, one PK, and gloss optimizer (glop).

MIS sells the 1800 3-MK inks as "black only" I think.  See
http://www.inksupply.com/r1800_bo.cfm.  I don't know if they have the 1900
carts filled that way.  You may have to load your own, which is the more
economical way to go.

Paul

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Giuseppe Vollaro <
vollaro.giuseppe@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> I just received the inks for the R1900 with my surpriser there are just two
>
> black inks and the glossy optimizer. I was under the impression that your
> need
> at least three channels of Balck in order to have good result. Did I missed
>
> something? Should I order some more ink to print on Mate only paper?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Giuseppe
> From: Paul Roark <roark.paul@... <roark.paul%40gmail.com>>
> To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com <QuadtoneRIP%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sun, January 9, 2011 5:07:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Newbee Questing regarding Eboni/Carbon 6
> ink?
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 11:44 PM, adventeseek <adventeseek@...<adventeseek%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > ...
> > Can I just replace the Carbon cartridge for the Epson Matte Black, or do
> I
> > need to flush the Epson ink first? From my reading that is important to
> > larger printers with tubes that need flushing.
> >
>
> Flushing is safer, but probably not necessary if you're just replacing the
> Epson MK with Eboni MK.
>
> By the way, unless the 1900 is considerably better than the 1800, using
> just
> a single MK channel to print a B&W might result in a print that shows
> microbanding. That is why the "3-MK" system was set up. See
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R1800.htm My experiments almost always
> guide me back to 3 channels as the minimum for really good printing, and
> those would include light ink if smoothness is important.
>
> When there are no light inks in the mix, prints that have very smooth areas
> like plain skies will show some graininess. Even the 1.5 picoliter drop
> printers like the 1800, 1900 and 1400 benefit from lighter inks. I've used
> black only in my 1400 with HP PK (neutral photo black) and more recently
> the
> Noritsu-Epson advanced dye, but it really looks good only when the image
> has
> enough detail to hide the defects. Some of us have also noticed broader
> banding with black only. In short, for top notch printing using a single
> black channel is marginal.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>
> >
> >
> >
>
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>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>


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The default ink placement for 3-MK is MK, PK and GL therefore should
have the MK, PK, GL (glossy
optimizer) cartridges. You can read it in this links:

http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R1800-Inks.pdf
<http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R1800-Inks.pdf>
http://www.inksupply.com/r1800_bo.cfm
<http://www.inksupply.com/r1800_bo.cfm>

Quoted
Matte Black (MK), MIS Eboni pigments are put in 3 positions: MK, PK and
GL.
Unquoted

Hope this helps.
John

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "vollaro.giuseppe"
<vollaro.giuseppe@...> wrote:
>
> I just received the inks for the R1900 with my surpriser there are
just two black inks and the glossy optimizer (Clear ink). I was under
the impression that your need at least three channels for Black in order
to have good result. Did I missed something? Should I order some more
ink to print on Mate only paper?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Giuseppe
>
>



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