QTR-Quadtone RIP

>
> I printed through QuadTone 2.6 to the 7900 today. 
> 
> The calibration target was normal as Roy indicated. After creating 10 ink channel .quad curves, I was able to print a normal K7 output, but unable to print the additional test curves in the O & G inks.
> 
> But, it appears at least on Windows, that anyone can print K7 curves to the 7900. I was unable to create the K7-7900 on Mac.
> 
> It's a start...
> 
> 
> Jon Cone
> http://www.piezography.com
>

> 
> Shilesh
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> >
> > I printed through QuadTone 2.6 to the 7900 today. 
> > 
> > The calibration target was normal as Roy indicated. After creating 10 ink channel .quad curves, I was able to print a normal K7 output, but unable to print the additional test curves in the O & G inks.
> > 
> > But, it appears at least on Windows, that anyone can print K7 curves to the 7900. I was unable to create the K7-7900 on Mac.
> > 
> > It's a start...
> > 
> > 
> > Jon Cone
> > http://www.piezography.com
> >
>

>
> answers below:
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> >
> > Two questions:
> > 
> > (1) Can you select/address MK and PK channels independently, like on a 4000? Or do you do this switch at the printer control panel? Either way would be workable.
> 
> Did not attempt this yet.
> 
> 
> > (2) Would it be possible to keep GLOP in the Orange and/or Green channels, and drive GLOP 2nd pass overcoat using Photoshop pure color swatch? I can do this on the K3 printers with GLOP in the Yellow position. This is not the most ideal situation, but at least a fully controllable ink channel is not lost to GLOP. And it may not be possible to dial-in the most ideal ink limit for GLOP overcoat.
> 
> One would need to find the exact RGB value that ONLY triggers Gloss Overprint. This would be easy in StudioPrint. Might be a study in PS to make sure it does not send any other inks which would stain the GO. However, one would also need to find the value that triggers about 33% of the GO which is close to ideal, rather than more or less.
> 
> 
> > 
> > This is a classic example of inquisitive users making tremendous contributions. Just imagine, are many people out there with 7900/9900 printers AND QTR, yet they never just tried the combination to see what would happen. Motto "never give up."
> 
> 
> Now I want to find what will run the Workforce 1000. 
> 
> :)
> 
> 
> > 
> > Shilesh
> > 
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I printed through QuadTone 2.6 to the 7900 today. 
> > > 
> > > The calibration target was normal as Roy indicated. After creating 10 ink channel .quad curves, I was able to print a normal K7 output, but unable to print the additional test curves in the O & G inks.
> > > 
> > > But, it appears at least on Windows, that anyone can print K7 curves to the 7900. I was unable to create the K7-7900 on Mac.
> > > 
> > > It's a start...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Jon Cone
> > > http://www.piezography.com
> > >
> >
>

>
> Well, the old 1160 was a CMYK printer and QTR manages it just fine. So I can imagine the WF1100 may also be drivable with QTR, although I don't know how the dual K would be managed. Even if one of the K channels remain inactive, the printer should make a great quad printer.
> 
> If you have one, try it. And let us know how it works out. Perhaps someone can appeal to Paul Roark because I know he has played around with it. Or, I could run over to Best Buy and pick one up for cheap. Grr, I can imagine my wife's reaction. I have a 4000, 4800, 4880, R2400, R220 all sitting around my office or closets.
> 
> Shilesh
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> >
> > answers below:
> > 
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Two questions:
> > > 
> > > (1) Can you select/address MK and PK channels independently, like on a 4000? Or do you do this switch at the printer control panel? Either way would be workable.
> > 
> > Did not attempt this yet.
> > 
> > 
> > > (2) Would it be possible to keep GLOP in the Orange and/or Green channels, and drive GLOP 2nd pass overcoat using Photoshop pure color swatch? I can do this on the K3 printers with GLOP in the Yellow position. This is not the most ideal situation, but at least a fully controllable ink channel is not lost to GLOP. And it may not be possible to dial-in the most ideal ink limit for GLOP overcoat.
> > 
> > One would need to find the exact RGB value that ONLY triggers Gloss Overprint. This would be easy in StudioPrint. Might be a study in PS to make sure it does not send any other inks which would stain the GO. However, one would also need to find the value that triggers about 33% of the GO which is close to ideal, rather than more or less.
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > This is a classic example of inquisitive users making tremendous contributions. Just imagine, are many people out there with 7900/9900 printers AND QTR, yet they never just tried the combination to see what would happen. Motto "never give up."
> > 
> > 
> > Now I want to find what will run the Workforce 1000. 
> > 
> > :)
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > Shilesh
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I printed through QuadTone 2.6 to the 7900 today. 
> > > > 
> > > > The calibration target was normal as Roy indicated. After creating 10 ink channel .quad curves, I was able to print a normal K7 output, but unable to print the additional test curves in the O & G inks.
> > > > 
> > > > But, it appears at least on Windows, that anyone can print K7 curves to the 7900. I was unable to create the K7-7900 on Mac.
> > > > 
> > > > It's a start...
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Jon Cone
> > > > http://www.piezography.com
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> Geez Shilesh,
> 
> You have to form an ink business or something so you can justify the madness to her. I am afraid it's the only way...
> 
> 
> Jon
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> >
> > Well, the old 1160 was a CMYK printer and QTR manages it just fine. So I can imagine the WF1100 may also be drivable with QTR, although I don't know how the dual K would be managed. Even if one of the K channels remain inactive, the printer should make a great quad printer.
> > 
> > If you have one, try it. And let us know how it works out. Perhaps someone can appeal to Paul Roark because I know he has played around with it. Or, I could run over to Best Buy and pick one up for cheap. Grr, I can imagine my wife's reaction. I have a 4000, 4800, 4880, R2400, R220 all sitting around my office or closets.
> > 
> > Shilesh
> > 
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > >
> > > answers below:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Two questions:
> > > > 
> > > > (1) Can you select/address MK and PK channels independently, like on a 4000? Or do you do this switch at the printer control panel? Either way would be workable.
> > > 
> > > Did not attempt this yet.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > (2) Would it be possible to keep GLOP in the Orange and/or Green channels, and drive GLOP 2nd pass overcoat using Photoshop pure color swatch? I can do this on the K3 printers with GLOP in the Yellow position. This is not the most ideal situation, but at least a fully controllable ink channel is not lost to GLOP. And it may not be possible to dial-in the most ideal ink limit for GLOP overcoat.
> > > 
> > > One would need to find the exact RGB value that ONLY triggers Gloss Overprint. This would be easy in StudioPrint. Might be a study in PS to make sure it does not send any other inks which would stain the GO. However, one would also need to find the value that triggers about 33% of the GO which is close to ideal, rather than more or less.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > This is a classic example of inquisitive users making tremendous contributions. Just imagine, are many people out there with 7900/9900 printers AND QTR, yet they never just tried the combination to see what would happen. Motto "never give up."
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Now I want to find what will run the Workforce 1000. 
> > > 
> > > :)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Shilesh
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I printed through QuadTone 2.6 to the 7900 today. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The calibration target was normal as Roy indicated. After creating 10 ink channel .quad curves, I was able to print a normal K7 output, but unable to print the additional test curves in the O & G inks.
> > > > > 
> > > > > But, it appears at least on Windows, that anyone can print K7 curves to the 7900. I was unable to create the K7-7900 on Mac.
> > > > > 
> > > > > It's a start...
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Jon Cone
> > > > > http://www.piezography.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> With the WF 1100 the Named printer in the top line and the Quad 1160-UT the
> Printing Model in the second line, the 1100 seems to just spit out blank
> paper when a print job is sent to it.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 1:19 PM, shileshjani <shileshjani@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Well, the old 1160 was a CMYK printer and QTR manages it just fine. So I
> > can imagine the WF1100 may also be drivable with QTR, although I don't know
> > how the dual K would be managed. Even if one of the K channels remain
> > inactive, the printer should make a great quad printer.
> >
> > If you have one, try it....
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Jon,
> 
> We, my wife and I, have our "understandings" and "accomodations." The 4880 came about because she wanted a quick color print of our daughter, and I told her to go to Costco. Not a smart move on my part, but I had no color inks loaded in any of my printers. So I got the 4880 for my birthday present, I dare not muck it up with anything other than OEM color. I finally sat down last week and wrote up a few b/w QTR curves for it because my customary b/w 4800 is suffering banding.
> 
> I am almost to a point of abandoning 3rd party inks - but I am keeping up about the possibility of glossy compatible Piezo Sepia.
> 
> Shilesh
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> >
> > Geez Shilesh,
> > 
> > You have to form an ink business or something so you can justify the madness to her. I am afraid it's the only way...
> > 
> > 
> > Jon
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, the old 1160 was a CMYK printer and QTR manages it just fine. So I can imagine the WF1100 may also be drivable with QTR, although I don't know how the dual K would be managed. Even if one of the K channels remain inactive, the printer should make a great quad printer.
> > > 
> > > If you have one, try it. And let us know how it works out. Perhaps someone can appeal to Paul Roark because I know he has played around with it. Or, I could run over to Best Buy and pick one up for cheap. Grr, I can imagine my wife's reaction. I have a 4000, 4800, 4880, R2400, R220 all sitting around my office or closets.
> > > 
> > > Shilesh
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > answers below:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Two questions:
> > > > > 
> > > > > (1) Can you select/address MK and PK channels independently, like on a 4000? Or do you do this switch at the printer control panel? Either way would be workable.
> > > > 
> > > > Did not attempt this yet.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > (2) Would it be possible to keep GLOP in the Orange and/or Green channels, and drive GLOP 2nd pass overcoat using Photoshop pure color swatch? I can do this on the K3 printers with GLOP in the Yellow position. This is not the most ideal situation, but at least a fully controllable ink channel is not lost to GLOP. And it may not be possible to dial-in the most ideal ink limit for GLOP overcoat.
> > > > 
> > > > One would need to find the exact RGB value that ONLY triggers Gloss Overprint. This would be easy in StudioPrint. Might be a study in PS to make sure it does not send any other inks which would stain the GO. However, one would also need to find the value that triggers about 33% of the GO which is close to ideal, rather than more or less.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > This is a classic example of inquisitive users making tremendous contributions. Just imagine, are many people out there with 7900/9900 printers AND QTR, yet they never just tried the combination to see what would happen. Motto "never give up."
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Now I want to find what will run the Workforce 1000. 
> > > > 
> > > > :)
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I printed through QuadTone 2.6 to the 7900 today. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The calibration target was normal as Roy indicated. After creating 10 ink channel .quad curves, I was able to print a normal K7 output, but unable to print the additional test curves in the O & G inks.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > But, it appears at least on Windows, that anyone can print K7 curves to the 7900. I was unable to create the K7-7900 on Mac.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It's a start...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Jon Cone
> > > > > > http://www.piezography.com
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> Shilesh,
> 
> Why would you abandon 3rd party inks? 
> 
> Both my Piezography and ConeColor are encapsulated like Epson and HP - a major achievement for a 3rd party ink. If your printer is clogging or banding on these inks, it'll most likely be clogging or banding on Epson's inks.
> 
> Piezography pure Carbon full ink sets are leading the OEMs in longevity for b&w at Aardenburg - not to mention how much more sublime are seven or six shades over the OEM's three shades.
> 
> And if you're having any print QC issues in your studio, you can be totally relying on us for support.
> 
> But, I don't see you as one of our ink customers - so what are you using and why are you frustrated?
> 
> regards,
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> >
> > Jon,
> > 
> > We, my wife and I, have our "understandings" and "accomodations." The 4880 came about because she wanted a quick color print of our daughter, and I told her to go to Costco. Not a smart move on my part, but I had no color inks loaded in any of my printers. So I got the 4880 for my birthday present, I dare not muck it up with anything other than OEM color. I finally sat down last week and wrote up a few b/w QTR curves for it because my customary b/w 4800 is suffering banding.
> > 
> > I am almost to a point of abandoning 3rd party inks - but I am keeping up about the possibility of glossy compatible Piezo Sepia.
> > 
> > Shilesh
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Geez Shilesh,
> > > 
> > > You have to form an ink business or something so you can justify the madness to her. I am afraid it's the only way...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Jon
> > > 
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well, the old 1160 was a CMYK printer and QTR manages it just fine. So I can imagine the WF1100 may also be drivable with QTR, although I don't know how the dual K would be managed. Even if one of the K channels remain inactive, the printer should make a great quad printer.
> > > > 
> > > > If you have one, try it. And let us know how it works out. Perhaps someone can appeal to Paul Roark because I know he has played around with it. Or, I could run over to Best Buy and pick one up for cheap. Grr, I can imagine my wife's reaction. I have a 4000, 4800, 4880, R2400, R220 all sitting around my office or closets.
> > > > 
> > > > Shilesh
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > answers below:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Two questions:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > (1) Can you select/address MK and PK channels independently, like on a 4000? Or do you do this switch at the printer control panel? Either way would be workable.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Did not attempt this yet.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > (2) Would it be possible to keep GLOP in the Orange and/or Green channels, and drive GLOP 2nd pass overcoat using Photoshop pure color swatch? I can do this on the K3 printers with GLOP in the Yellow position. This is not the most ideal situation, but at least a fully controllable ink channel is not lost to GLOP. And it may not be possible to dial-in the most ideal ink limit for GLOP overcoat.
> > > > > 
> > > > > One would need to find the exact RGB value that ONLY triggers Gloss Overprint. This would be easy in StudioPrint. Might be a study in PS to make sure it does not send any other inks which would stain the GO. However, one would also need to find the value that triggers about 33% of the GO which is close to ideal, rather than more or less.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This is a classic example of inquisitive users making tremendous contributions. Just imagine, are many people out there with 7900/9900 printers AND QTR, yet they never just tried the combination to see what would happen. Motto "never give up."
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Now I want to find what will run the Workforce 1000. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > :)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I printed through QuadTone 2.6 to the 7900 today. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The calibration target was normal as Roy indicated. After creating 10 ink channel .quad curves, I was able to print a normal K7 output, but unable to print the additional test curves in the O & G inks.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > But, it appears at least on Windows, that anyone can print K7 curves to the 7900. I was unable to create the K7-7900 on Mac.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > It's a start...
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Jon Cone
> > > > > > > http://www.piezography.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> Jon,
> 
> The reason I have not tried Cone inks is that I want my LK and LLK inks to be a brown-warm color AND glossy compatible. Essentially, that is your "sepia" ink, which is not glossy compatible. I have rethought the need of this brown-warm color, especially when I created QTR curves on my OEM 4880. So for my 4800 (3rd party from the other ink manufacturer), I may have to start from scratch by putting back the OEM inks. I will do a full clean flush first, to remove any vestiges of the 3rd party inks. Check for alignment, and if it can be restored, I might think again of alternative 3rd party inks.
> 
> My problem may be that some ink positions are incompatible chemically. The inks I have loaded are OEM PK, and the rest are 3rd party MK, LK, LLK, LM, LC, Blue (R1800 compatible), and GLOP. I am not sure if it is the OEM PK or the Blue that is causing incompatibilities. What I have noticed is that the flushing box does not drain fluid as fast as my OEM 4880. Hence my suspicion of incompatibility. But the capping station drains fluid just fine. So I am not sure what is going on. The 3rd party ink manufacturer assures me that their inks are compatible. This issue has now occurred on two 4XXX printers.
> 
> Shilesh
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> >
> > Shilesh,
> > 
> > Why would you abandon 3rd party inks? 
> > 
> > Both my Piezography and ConeColor are encapsulated like Epson and HP - a major achievement for a 3rd party ink. If your printer is clogging or banding on these inks, it'll most likely be clogging or banding on Epson's inks.
> > 
> > Piezography pure Carbon full ink sets are leading the OEMs in longevity for b&w at Aardenburg - not to mention how much more sublime are seven or six shades over the OEM's three shades.
> > 
> > And if you're having any print QC issues in your studio, you can be totally relying on us for support.
> > 
> > But, I don't see you as one of our ink customers - so what are you using and why are you frustrated?
> > 
> > regards,
> > 
> > Jon
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Jon,
> > > 
> > > We, my wife and I, have our "understandings" and "accomodations." The 4880 came about because she wanted a quick color print of our daughter, and I told her to go to Costco. Not a smart move on my part, but I had no color inks loaded in any of my printers. So I got the 4880 for my birthday present, I dare not muck it up with anything other than OEM color. I finally sat down last week and wrote up a few b/w QTR curves for it because my customary b/w 4800 is suffering banding.
> > > 
> > > I am almost to a point of abandoning 3rd party inks - but I am keeping up about the possibility of glossy compatible Piezo Sepia.
> > > 
> > > Shilesh
> > > 
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Geez Shilesh,
> > > > 
> > > > You have to form an ink business or something so you can justify the madness to her. I am afraid it's the only way...
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Jon
> > > > 
> > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, the old 1160 was a CMYK printer and QTR manages it just fine. So I can imagine the WF1100 may also be drivable with QTR, although I don't know how the dual K would be managed. Even if one of the K channels remain inactive, the printer should make a great quad printer.
> > > > > 
> > > > > If you have one, try it. And let us know how it works out. Perhaps someone can appeal to Paul Roark because I know he has played around with it. Or, I could run over to Best Buy and pick one up for cheap. Grr, I can imagine my wife's reaction. I have a 4000, 4800, 4880, R2400, R220 all sitting around my office or closets.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > answers below:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Two questions:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > (1) Can you select/address MK and PK channels independently, like on a 4000? Or do you do this switch at the printer control panel? Either way would be workable.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Did not attempt this yet.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > (2) Would it be possible to keep GLOP in the Orange and/or Green channels, and drive GLOP 2nd pass overcoat using Photoshop pure color swatch? I can do this on the K3 printers with GLOP in the Yellow position. This is not the most ideal situation, but at least a fully controllable ink channel is not lost to GLOP. And it may not be possible to dial-in the most ideal ink limit for GLOP overcoat.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > One would need to find the exact RGB value that ONLY triggers Gloss Overprint. This would be easy in StudioPrint. Might be a study in PS to make sure it does not send any other inks which would stain the GO. However, one would also need to find the value that triggers about 33% of the GO which is close to ideal, rather than more or less.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This is a classic example of inquisitive users making tremendous contributions. Just imagine, are many people out there with 7900/9900 printers AND QTR, yet they never just tried the combination to see what would happen. Motto "never give up."
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Now I want to find what will run the Workforce 1000. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > :)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I printed through QuadTone 2.6 to the 7900 today. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The calibration target was normal as Roy indicated. After creating 10 ink channel .quad curves, I was able to print a normal K7 output, but unable to print the additional test curves in the O & G inks.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > But, it appears at least on Windows, that anyone can print K7 curves to the 7900. I was unable to create the K7-7900 on Mac.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > It's a start...
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Jon Cone
> > > > > > > > http://www.piezography.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> You are right about the capping station and not all 3rd party inks and OEM are chemically compatible. You will see a slurry form.
> 
> My Warm Neutral shade #4 is same density as OEM LK and Sepia shade #5 is same as OEM LLK. These are glossy compatible. Sepia shade #4 is iffy on gloss overprint - but I did see excellent full glossy Sepia prints from Mark Savoie's shop last weekend. He uses a full Sepia setup. But, he sprays.
> 
> All of the matte Piezography inks in shades 5-7 are compatible with gloss - we just don't publish that. We add additional encapsulation to Warm Neutral and Selenium to make the lower tones fully gloss compatible. 
> 
> If you use Piezography Gloss Overprint, you can run with the WN/Sepia shades 4&5. You simply overprint the entire sheet. We make GO curves to help in that but you do want to run that as a second printing to perfectly eliminate any gloss differential between the inks and between the inks and the paper.
> 
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> >
> > Jon,
> > 
> > The reason I have not tried Cone inks is that I want my LK and LLK inks to be a brown-warm color AND glossy compatible. Essentially, that is your "sepia" ink, which is not glossy compatible. I have rethought the need of this brown-warm color, especially when I created QTR curves on my OEM 4880. So for my 4800 (3rd party from the other ink manufacturer), I may have to start from scratch by putting back the OEM inks. I will do a full clean flush first, to remove any vestiges of the 3rd party inks. Check for alignment, and if it can be restored, I might think again of alternative 3rd party inks.
> > 
> > My problem may be that some ink positions are incompatible chemically. The inks I have loaded are OEM PK, and the rest are 3rd party MK, LK, LLK, LM, LC, Blue (R1800 compatible), and GLOP. I am not sure if it is the OEM PK or the Blue that is causing incompatibilities. What I have noticed is that the flushing box does not drain fluid as fast as my OEM 4880. Hence my suspicion of incompatibility. But the capping station drains fluid just fine. So I am not sure what is going on. The 3rd party ink manufacturer assures me that their inks are compatible. This issue has now occurred on two 4XXX printers.
> > 
> > Shilesh
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Shilesh,
> > > 
> > > Why would you abandon 3rd party inks? 
> > > 
> > > Both my Piezography and ConeColor are encapsulated like Epson and HP - a major achievement for a 3rd party ink. If your printer is clogging or banding on these inks, it'll most likely be clogging or banding on Epson's inks.
> > > 
> > > Piezography pure Carbon full ink sets are leading the OEMs in longevity for b&w at Aardenburg - not to mention how much more sublime are seven or six shades over the OEM's three shades.
> > > 
> > > And if you're having any print QC issues in your studio, you can be totally relying on us for support.
> > > 
> > > But, I don't see you as one of our ink customers - so what are you using and why are you frustrated?
> > > 
> > > regards,
> > > 
> > > Jon
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Jon,
> > > > 
> > > > We, my wife and I, have our "understandings" and "accomodations." The 4880 came about because she wanted a quick color print of our daughter, and I told her to go to Costco. Not a smart move on my part, but I had no color inks loaded in any of my printers. So I got the 4880 for my birthday present, I dare not muck it up with anything other than OEM color. I finally sat down last week and wrote up a few b/w QTR curves for it because my customary b/w 4800 is suffering banding.
> > > > 
> > > > I am almost to a point of abandoning 3rd party inks - but I am keeping up about the possibility of glossy compatible Piezo Sepia.
> > > > 
> > > > Shilesh
> > > > 
> > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Geez Shilesh,
> > > > > 
> > > > > You have to form an ink business or something so you can justify the madness to her. I am afraid it's the only way...
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Jon
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, the old 1160 was a CMYK printer and QTR manages it just fine. So I can imagine the WF1100 may also be drivable with QTR, although I don't know how the dual K would be managed. Even if one of the K channels remain inactive, the printer should make a great quad printer.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > If you have one, try it. And let us know how it works out. Perhaps someone can appeal to Paul Roark because I know he has played around with it. Or, I could run over to Best Buy and pick one up for cheap. Grr, I can imagine my wife's reaction. I have a 4000, 4800, 4880, R2400, R220 all sitting around my office or closets.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > answers below:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Two questions:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > (1) Can you select/address MK and PK channels independently, like on a 4000? Or do you do this switch at the printer control panel? Either way would be workable.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Did not attempt this yet.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > (2) Would it be possible to keep GLOP in the Orange and/or Green channels, and drive GLOP 2nd pass overcoat using Photoshop pure color swatch? I can do this on the K3 printers with GLOP in the Yellow position. This is not the most ideal situation, but at least a fully controllable ink channel is not lost to GLOP. And it may not be possible to dial-in the most ideal ink limit for GLOP overcoat.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > One would need to find the exact RGB value that ONLY triggers Gloss Overprint. This would be easy in StudioPrint. Might be a study in PS to make sure it does not send any other inks which would stain the GO. However, one would also need to find the value that triggers about 33% of the GO which is close to ideal, rather than more or less.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > This is a classic example of inquisitive users making tremendous contributions. Just imagine, are many people out there with 7900/9900 printers AND QTR, yet they never just tried the combination to see what would happen. Motto "never give up."
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Now I want to find what will run the Workforce 1000. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > :)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I printed through QuadTone 2.6 to the 7900 today. 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > The calibration target was normal as Roy indicated. After creating 10 ink channel .quad curves, I was able to print a normal K7 output, but unable to print the additional test curves in the O & G inks.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > But, it appears at least on Windows, that anyone can print K7 curves to the 7900. I was unable to create the K7-7900 on Mac.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > It's a start...
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Jon Cone
> > > > > > > > > http://www.piezography.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> Thank you.
> 
> I will revisit ink choices if and when I have eliminated banding with OEM.
> 
> Shilesh
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> >
> > You are right about the capping station and not all 3rd party inks and OEM are chemically compatible. You will see a slurry form.
> > 
> > My Warm Neutral shade #4 is same density as OEM LK and Sepia shade #5 is same as OEM LLK. These are glossy compatible. Sepia shade #4 is iffy on gloss overprint - but I did see excellent full glossy Sepia prints from Mark Savoie's shop last weekend. He uses a full Sepia setup. But, he sprays.
> > 
> > All of the matte Piezography inks in shades 5-7 are compatible with gloss - we just don't publish that. We add additional encapsulation to Warm Neutral and Selenium to make the lower tones fully gloss compatible. 
> > 
> > If you use Piezography Gloss Overprint, you can run with the WN/Sepia shades 4&5. You simply overprint the entire sheet. We make GO curves to help in that but you do want to run that as a second printing to perfectly eliminate any gloss differential between the inks and between the inks and the paper.
> > 
> > 
> > Jon
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Jon,
> > > 
> > > The reason I have not tried Cone inks is that I want my LK and LLK inks to be a brown-warm color AND glossy compatible. Essentially, that is your "sepia" ink, which is not glossy compatible. I have rethought the need of this brown-warm color, especially when I created QTR curves on my OEM 4880. So for my 4800 (3rd party from the other ink manufacturer), I may have to start from scratch by putting back the OEM inks. I will do a full clean flush first, to remove any vestiges of the 3rd party inks. Check for alignment, and if it can be restored, I might think again of alternative 3rd party inks.
> > > 
> > > My problem may be that some ink positions are incompatible chemically. The inks I have loaded are OEM PK, and the rest are 3rd party MK, LK, LLK, LM, LC, Blue (R1800 compatible), and GLOP. I am not sure if it is the OEM PK or the Blue that is causing incompatibilities. What I have noticed is that the flushing box does not drain fluid as fast as my OEM 4880. Hence my suspicion of incompatibility. But the capping station drains fluid just fine. So I am not sure what is going on. The 3rd party ink manufacturer assures me that their inks are compatible. This issue has now occurred on two 4XXX printers.
> > > 
> > > Shilesh
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Shilesh,
> > > > 
> > > > Why would you abandon 3rd party inks? 
> > > > 
> > > > Both my Piezography and ConeColor are encapsulated like Epson and HP - a major achievement for a 3rd party ink. If your printer is clogging or banding on these inks, it'll most likely be clogging or banding on Epson's inks.
> > > > 
> > > > Piezography pure Carbon full ink sets are leading the OEMs in longevity for b&w at Aardenburg - not to mention how much more sublime are seven or six shades over the OEM's three shades.
> > > > 
> > > > And if you're having any print QC issues in your studio, you can be totally relying on us for support.
> > > > 
> > > > But, I don't see you as one of our ink customers - so what are you using and why are you frustrated?
> > > > 
> > > > regards,
> > > > 
> > > > Jon
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Jon,
> > > > > 
> > > > > We, my wife and I, have our "understandings" and "accomodations." The 4880 came about because she wanted a quick color print of our daughter, and I told her to go to Costco. Not a smart move on my part, but I had no color inks loaded in any of my printers. So I got the 4880 for my birthday present, I dare not muck it up with anything other than OEM color. I finally sat down last week and wrote up a few b/w QTR curves for it because my customary b/w 4800 is suffering banding.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I am almost to a point of abandoning 3rd party inks - but I am keeping up about the possibility of glossy compatible Piezo Sepia.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Geez Shilesh,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > You have to form an ink business or something so you can justify the madness to her. I am afraid it's the only way...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Jon
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, the old 1160 was a CMYK printer and QTR manages it just fine. So I can imagine the WF1100 may also be drivable with QTR, although I don't know how the dual K would be managed. Even if one of the K channels remain inactive, the printer should make a great quad printer.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > If you have one, try it. And let us know how it works out. Perhaps someone can appeal to Paul Roark because I know he has played around with it. Or, I could run over to Best Buy and pick one up for cheap. Grr, I can imagine my wife's reaction. I have a 4000, 4800, 4880, R2400, R220 all sitting around my office or closets.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > answers below:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Two questions:
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > (1) Can you select/address MK and PK channels independently, like on a 4000? Or do you do this switch at the printer control panel? Either way would be workable.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Did not attempt this yet.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > (2) Would it be possible to keep GLOP in the Orange and/or Green channels, and drive GLOP 2nd pass overcoat using Photoshop pure color swatch? I can do this on the K3 printers with GLOP in the Yellow position. This is not the most ideal situation, but at least a fully controllable ink channel is not lost to GLOP. And it may not be possible to dial-in the most ideal ink limit for GLOP overcoat.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > One would need to find the exact RGB value that ONLY triggers Gloss Overprint. This would be easy in StudioPrint. Might be a study in PS to make sure it does not send any other inks which would stain the GO. However, one would also need to find the value that triggers about 33% of the GO which is close to ideal, rather than more or less.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > This is a classic example of inquisitive users making tremendous contributions. Just imagine, are many people out there with 7900/9900 printers AND QTR, yet they never just tried the combination to see what would happen. Motto "never give up."
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Now I want to find what will run the Workforce 1000. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > :)
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I printed through QuadTone 2.6 to the 7900 today. 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > The calibration target was normal as Roy indicated. After creating 10 ink channel .quad curves, I was able to print a normal K7 output, but unable to print the additional test curves in the O & G inks.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > But, it appears at least on Windows, that anyone can print K7 curves to the 7900. I was unable to create the K7-7900 on Mac.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > It's a start...
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Jon Cone
> > > > > > > > > > http://www.piezography.com
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> Shilesh,
> 
> Sometimes banding is very simply resolved by a new damper in that position. Just a small particle trapped in the screen can interrupt the flow enough to cause partial starvation. Of course, a dirty screen (age) is going to do that as well. Just remove the damper, pull out the ink with blunt syringe, inject some distilled and see if you can see some particles floating in it. If so - change it out.
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you.
> > 
> > I will revisit ink choices if and when I have eliminated banding with OEM.
> > 
> > Shilesh
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > >
> > > You are right about the capping station and not all 3rd party inks and OEM are chemically compatible. You will see a slurry form.
> > > 
> > > My Warm Neutral shade #4 is same density as OEM LK and Sepia shade #5 is same as OEM LLK. These are glossy compatible. Sepia shade #4 is iffy on gloss overprint - but I did see excellent full glossy Sepia prints from Mark Savoie's shop last weekend. He uses a full Sepia setup. But, he sprays.
> > > 
> > > All of the matte Piezography inks in shades 5-7 are compatible with gloss - we just don't publish that. We add additional encapsulation to Warm Neutral and Selenium to make the lower tones fully gloss compatible. 
> > > 
> > > If you use Piezography Gloss Overprint, you can run with the WN/Sepia shades 4&5. You simply overprint the entire sheet. We make GO curves to help in that but you do want to run that as a second printing to perfectly eliminate any gloss differential between the inks and between the inks and the paper.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Jon
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Jon,
> > > > 
> > > > The reason I have not tried Cone inks is that I want my LK and LLK inks to be a brown-warm color AND glossy compatible. Essentially, that is your "sepia" ink, which is not glossy compatible. I have rethought the need of this brown-warm color, especially when I created QTR curves on my OEM 4880. So for my 4800 (3rd party from the other ink manufacturer), I may have to start from scratch by putting back the OEM inks. I will do a full clean flush first, to remove any vestiges of the 3rd party inks. Check for alignment, and if it can be restored, I might think again of alternative 3rd party inks.
> > > > 
> > > > My problem may be that some ink positions are incompatible chemically. The inks I have loaded are OEM PK, and the rest are 3rd party MK, LK, LLK, LM, LC, Blue (R1800 compatible), and GLOP. I am not sure if it is the OEM PK or the Blue that is causing incompatibilities. What I have noticed is that the flushing box does not drain fluid as fast as my OEM 4880. Hence my suspicion of incompatibility. But the capping station drains fluid just fine. So I am not sure what is going on. The 3rd party ink manufacturer assures me that their inks are compatible. This issue has now occurred on two 4XXX printers.
> > > > 
> > > > Shilesh
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Shilesh,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Why would you abandon 3rd party inks? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Both my Piezography and ConeColor are encapsulated like Epson and HP - a major achievement for a 3rd party ink. If your printer is clogging or banding on these inks, it'll most likely be clogging or banding on Epson's inks.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Piezography pure Carbon full ink sets are leading the OEMs in longevity for b&w at Aardenburg - not to mention how much more sublime are seven or six shades over the OEM's three shades.
> > > > > 
> > > > > And if you're having any print QC issues in your studio, you can be totally relying on us for support.
> > > > > 
> > > > > But, I don't see you as one of our ink customers - so what are you using and why are you frustrated?
> > > > > 
> > > > > regards,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Jon
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jon,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > We, my wife and I, have our "understandings" and "accomodations." The 4880 came about because she wanted a quick color print of our daughter, and I told her to go to Costco. Not a smart move on my part, but I had no color inks loaded in any of my printers. So I got the 4880 for my birthday present, I dare not muck it up with anything other than OEM color. I finally sat down last week and wrote up a few b/w QTR curves for it because my customary b/w 4800 is suffering banding.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I am almost to a point of abandoning 3rd party inks - but I am keeping up about the possibility of glossy compatible Piezo Sepia.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Geez Shilesh,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > You have to form an ink business or something so you can justify the madness to her. I am afraid it's the only way...
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Jon
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well, the old 1160 was a CMYK printer and QTR manages it just fine. So I can imagine the WF1100 may also be drivable with QTR, although I don't know how the dual K would be managed. Even if one of the K channels remain inactive, the printer should make a great quad printer.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > If you have one, try it. And let us know how it works out. Perhaps someone can appeal to Paul Roark because I know he has played around with it. Or, I could run over to Best Buy and pick one up for cheap. Grr, I can imagine my wife's reaction. I have a 4000, 4800, 4880, R2400, R220 all sitting around my office or closets.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > answers below:
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Two questions:
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > (1) Can you select/address MK and PK channels independently, like on a 4000? Or do you do this switch at the printer control panel? Either way would be workable.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Did not attempt this yet.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > (2) Would it be possible to keep GLOP in the Orange and/or Green channels, and drive GLOP 2nd pass overcoat using Photoshop pure color swatch? I can do this on the K3 printers with GLOP in the Yellow position. This is not the most ideal situation, but at least a fully controllable ink channel is not lost to GLOP. And it may not be possible to dial-in the most ideal ink limit for GLOP overcoat.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > One would need to find the exact RGB value that ONLY triggers Gloss Overprint. This would be easy in StudioPrint. Might be a study in PS to make sure it does not send any other inks which would stain the GO. However, one would also need to find the value that triggers about 33% of the GO which is close to ideal, rather than more or less.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > This is a classic example of inquisitive users making tremendous contributions. Just imagine, are many people out there with 7900/9900 printers AND QTR, yet they never just tried the combination to see what would happen. Motto "never give up."
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Now I want to find what will run the Workforce 1000. 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > :)
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I printed through QuadTone 2.6 to the 7900 today. 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > The calibration target was normal as Roy indicated. After creating 10 ink channel .quad curves, I was able to print a normal K7 output, but unable to print the additional test curves in the O & G inks.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > But, it appears at least on Windows, that anyone can print K7 curves to the 7900. I was unable to create the K7-7900 on Mac.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > It's a start...
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Jon Cone
> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.piezography.com
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> Jon,
> 
> The reason I have not tried Cone inks is that I want my LK and LLK inks to be a brown-warm color AND glossy compatible. Essentially, that is your "sepia" ink, which is not glossy compatible. I have rethought the need of this brown-warm color, especially when I created QTR curves on my OEM 4880. So for my 4800 (3rd party from the other ink manufacturer), I may have to start from scratch by putting back the OEM inks. I will do a full clean flush first, to remove any vestiges of the 3rd party inks. Check for alignment, and if it can be restored, I might think again of alternative 3rd party inks.
> 
> My problem may be that some ink positions are incompatible chemically. The inks I have loaded are OEM PK, and the rest are 3rd party MK, LK, LLK, LM, LC, Blue (R1800 compatible), and GLOP. I am not sure if it is the OEM PK or the Blue that is causing incompatibilities. What I have noticed is that the flushing box does not drain fluid as fast as my OEM 4880. Hence my suspicion of incompatibility. But the capping station drains fluid just fine. So I am not sure what is going on. The 3rd party ink manufacturer assures me that their inks are compatible. This issue has now occurred on two 4XXX printers.
> 
> Shilesh
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> >
> > Shilesh,
> > 
> > Why would you abandon 3rd party inks? 
> > 
> > Both my Piezography and ConeColor are encapsulated like Epson and HP - a major achievement for a 3rd party ink. If your printer is clogging or banding on these inks, it'll most likely be clogging or banding on Epson's inks.
> > 
> > Piezography pure Carbon full ink sets are leading the OEMs in longevity for b&w at Aardenburg - not to mention how much more sublime are seven or six shades over the OEM's three shades.
> > 
> > And if you're having any print QC issues in your studio, you can be totally relying on us for support.
> > 
> > But, I don't see you as one of our ink customers - so what are you using and why are you frustrated?
> > 
> > regards,
> > 
> > Jon
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Jon,
> > > 
> > > We, my wife and I, have our "understandings" and "accomodations." The 4880 came about because she wanted a quick color print of our daughter, and I told her to go to Costco. Not a smart move on my part, but I had no color inks loaded in any of my printers. So I got the 4880 for my birthday present, I dare not muck it up with anything other than OEM color. I finally sat down last week and wrote up a few b/w QTR curves for it because my customary b/w 4800 is suffering banding.
> > > 
> > > I am almost to a point of abandoning 3rd party inks - but I am keeping up about the possibility of glossy compatible Piezo Sepia.
> > > 
> > > Shilesh
> > > 
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Geez Shilesh,
> > > > 
> > > > You have to form an ink business or something so you can justify the madness to her. I am afraid it's the only way...
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Jon
> > > > 
> > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, the old 1160 was a CMYK printer and QTR manages it just fine. So I can imagine the WF1100 may also be drivable with QTR, although I don't know how the dual K would be managed. Even if one of the K channels remain inactive, the printer should make a great quad printer.
> > > > > 
> > > > > If you have one, try it. And let us know how it works out. Perhaps someone can appeal to Paul Roark because I know he has played around with it. Or, I could run over to Best Buy and pick one up for cheap. Grr, I can imagine my wife's reaction. I have a 4000, 4800, 4880, R2400, R220 all sitting around my office or closets.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > answers below:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Two questions:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > (1) Can you select/address MK and PK channels independently, like on a 4000? Or do you do this switch at the printer control panel? Either way would be workable.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Did not attempt this yet.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > (2) Would it be possible to keep GLOP in the Orange and/or Green channels, and drive GLOP 2nd pass overcoat using Photoshop pure color swatch? I can do this on the K3 printers with GLOP in the Yellow position. This is not the most ideal situation, but at least a fully controllable ink channel is not lost to GLOP. And it may not be possible to dial-in the most ideal ink limit for GLOP overcoat.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > One would need to find the exact RGB value that ONLY triggers Gloss Overprint. This would be easy in StudioPrint. Might be a study in PS to make sure it does not send any other inks which would stain the GO. However, one would also need to find the value that triggers about 33% of the GO which is close to ideal, rather than more or less.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This is a classic example of inquisitive users making tremendous contributions. Just imagine, are many people out there with 7900/9900 printers AND QTR, yet they never just tried the combination to see what would happen. Motto "never give up."
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Now I want to find what will run the Workforce 1000. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > :)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I printed through QuadTone 2.6 to the 7900 today. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The calibration target was normal as Roy indicated. After creating 10 ink channel .quad curves, I was able to print a normal K7 output, but unable to print the additional test curves in the O & G inks.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > But, it appears at least on Windows, that anyone can print K7 curves to the 7900. I was unable to create the K7-7900 on Mac.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > It's a start...
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Jon Cone
> > > > > > > > http://www.piezography.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> Shilesh,
> 
> Dana just over printed all of the Piezography Sepia K7 shades with Piezography Gloss Overprint and even the shade 4 is gloss compatible.  #3 is on the iffy side. Shade 2 is not.
> 
> So for your interest in using 3ks with an overprint and the Ks made of carbon - it will work. 
> 
> Our regular ink sets have seven shades of course and in that regard only the Selenium and Warm Neutral are fully glossy compatible.
> 
> So if you do wish to do something with my pure carbon Sepia, I also make an MPS Glossy Black shade 1 which we do not readily sell at InkjetMall.  I use it for backlit Piezography as it is fully opaque. It is very very warm and very very dark and very very fade resistant.  Would make a wonderful warm system, otherwise the Epson PK or regular MPS Black shade 1 for a more neutral black shadow.
> 
> regards,
> 
> Jon
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> >
> > Jon,
> > 
> > The reason I have not tried Cone inks is that I want my LK and LLK inks to be a brown-warm color AND glossy compatible. Essentially, that is your "sepia" ink, which is not glossy compatible. I have rethought the need of this brown-warm color, especially when I created QTR curves on my OEM 4880. So for my 4800 (3rd party from the other ink manufacturer), I may have to start from scratch by putting back the OEM inks. I will do a full clean flush first, to remove any vestiges of the 3rd party inks. Check for alignment, and if it can be restored, I might think again of alternative 3rd party inks.
> > 
> > My problem may be that some ink positions are incompatible chemically. The inks I have loaded are OEM PK, and the rest are 3rd party MK, LK, LLK, LM, LC, Blue (R1800 compatible), and GLOP. I am not sure if it is the OEM PK or the Blue that is causing incompatibilities. What I have noticed is that the flushing box does not drain fluid as fast as my OEM 4880. Hence my suspicion of incompatibility. But the capping station drains fluid just fine. So I am not sure what is going on. The 3rd party ink manufacturer assures me that their inks are compatible. This issue has now occurred on two 4XXX printers.
> > 
> > Shilesh
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Shilesh,
> > > 
> > > Why would you abandon 3rd party inks? 
> > > 
> > > Both my Piezography and ConeColor are encapsulated like Epson and HP - a major achievement for a 3rd party ink. If your printer is clogging or banding on these inks, it'll most likely be clogging or banding on Epson's inks.
> > > 
> > > Piezography pure Carbon full ink sets are leading the OEMs in longevity for b&w at Aardenburg - not to mention how much more sublime are seven or six shades over the OEM's three shades.
> > > 
> > > And if you're having any print QC issues in your studio, you can be totally relying on us for support.
> > > 
> > > But, I don't see you as one of our ink customers - so what are you using and why are you frustrated?
> > > 
> > > regards,
> > > 
> > > Jon
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Jon,
> > > > 
> > > > We, my wife and I, have our "understandings" and "accomodations." The 4880 came about because she wanted a quick color print of our daughter, and I told her to go to Costco. Not a smart move on my part, but I had no color inks loaded in any of my printers. So I got the 4880 for my birthday present, I dare not muck it up with anything other than OEM color. I finally sat down last week and wrote up a few b/w QTR curves for it because my customary b/w 4800 is suffering banding.
> > > > 
> > > > I am almost to a point of abandoning 3rd party inks - but I am keeping up about the possibility of glossy compatible Piezo Sepia.
> > > > 
> > > > Shilesh
> > > > 
> > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Geez Shilesh,
> > > > > 
> > > > > You have to form an ink business or something so you can justify the madness to her. I am afraid it's the only way...
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Jon
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, the old 1160 was a CMYK printer and QTR manages it just fine. So I can imagine the WF1100 may also be drivable with QTR, although I don't know how the dual K would be managed. Even if one of the K channels remain inactive, the printer should make a great quad printer.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > If you have one, try it. And let us know how it works out. Perhaps someone can appeal to Paul Roark because I know he has played around with it. Or, I could run over to Best Buy and pick one up for cheap. Grr, I can imagine my wife's reaction. I have a 4000, 4800, 4880, R2400, R220 all sitting around my office or closets.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > answers below:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Two questions:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > (1) Can you select/address MK and PK channels independently, like on a 4000? Or do you do this switch at the printer control panel? Either way would be workable.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Did not attempt this yet.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > (2) Would it be possible to keep GLOP in the Orange and/or Green channels, and drive GLOP 2nd pass overcoat using Photoshop pure color swatch? I can do this on the K3 printers with GLOP in the Yellow position. This is not the most ideal situation, but at least a fully controllable ink channel is not lost to GLOP. And it may not be possible to dial-in the most ideal ink limit for GLOP overcoat.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > One would need to find the exact RGB value that ONLY triggers Gloss Overprint. This would be easy in StudioPrint. Might be a study in PS to make sure it does not send any other inks which would stain the GO. However, one would also need to find the value that triggers about 33% of the GO which is close to ideal, rather than more or less.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > This is a classic example of inquisitive users making tremendous contributions. Just imagine, are many people out there with 7900/9900 printers AND QTR, yet they never just tried the combination to see what would happen. Motto "never give up."
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Now I want to find what will run the Workforce 1000. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > :)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I printed through QuadTone 2.6 to the 7900 today. 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > The calibration target was normal as Roy indicated. After creating 10 ink channel .quad curves, I was able to print a normal K7 output, but unable to print the additional test curves in the O & G inks.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > But, it appears at least on Windows, that anyone can print K7 curves to the 7900. I was unable to create the K7-7900 on Mac.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > It's a start...
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Jon Cone
> > > > > > > > > http://www.piezography.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> Jon,
> 
> Thank you for that quick experiment. When you say gloss compatible, does that mean the ink does NOT rub off from PK papers? Even before putting GO on 2nd pass?
> 
> FWIW, the M and LM (and Blue) inks of Image Specialist inks, although glossy compatible, do ruboff with finger tips right out of the printer. But  C, LC, LK, LLK from the same K3 compatible set do not.
> 
> I may try out your inks on my 2400 first because I don't know when I will have the dedicated time to clean out the 4800. You guys don't give out 2 oz samples, do you? I know I am asking for too much.
> 
> Shilesh
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> >
> > Shilesh,
> > 
> > Dana just over printed all of the Piezography Sepia K7 shades with Piezography Gloss Overprint and even the shade 4 is gloss compatible.  #3 is on the iffy side. Shade 2 is not.
> > 
> > So for your interest in using 3ks with an overprint and the Ks made of carbon - it will work. 
> > 
> > Our regular ink sets have seven shades of course and in that regard only the Selenium and Warm Neutral are fully glossy compatible.
> > 
> > So if you do wish to do something with my pure carbon Sepia, I also make an MPS Glossy Black shade 1 which we do not readily sell at InkjetMall.  I use it for backlit Piezography as it is fully opaque. It is very very warm and very very dark and very very fade resistant.  Would make a wonderful warm system, otherwise the Epson PK or regular MPS Black shade 1 for a more neutral black shadow.
> > 
> > regards,
> > 
> > Jon
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Jon,
> > > 
> > > The reason I have not tried Cone inks is that I want my LK and LLK inks to be a brown-warm color AND glossy compatible. Essentially, that is your "sepia" ink, which is not glossy compatible. I have rethought the need of this brown-warm color, especially when I created QTR curves on my OEM 4880. So for my 4800 (3rd party from the other ink manufacturer), I may have to start from scratch by putting back the OEM inks. I will do a full clean flush first, to remove any vestiges of the 3rd party inks. Check for alignment, and if it can be restored, I might think again of alternative 3rd party inks.
> > > 
> > > My problem may be that some ink positions are incompatible chemically. The inks I have loaded are OEM PK, and the rest are 3rd party MK, LK, LLK, LM, LC, Blue (R1800 compatible), and GLOP. I am not sure if it is the OEM PK or the Blue that is causing incompatibilities. What I have noticed is that the flushing box does not drain fluid as fast as my OEM 4880. Hence my suspicion of incompatibility. But the capping station drains fluid just fine. So I am not sure what is going on. The 3rd party ink manufacturer assures me that their inks are compatible. This issue has now occurred on two 4XXX printers.
> > > 
> > > Shilesh
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Shilesh,
> > > > 
> > > > Why would you abandon 3rd party inks? 
> > > > 
> > > > Both my Piezography and ConeColor are encapsulated like Epson and HP - a major achievement for a 3rd party ink. If your printer is clogging or banding on these inks, it'll most likely be clogging or banding on Epson's inks.
> > > > 
> > > > Piezography pure Carbon full ink sets are leading the OEMs in longevity for b&w at Aardenburg - not to mention how much more sublime are seven or six shades over the OEM's three shades.
> > > > 
> > > > And if you're having any print QC issues in your studio, you can be totally relying on us for support.
> > > > 
> > > > But, I don't see you as one of our ink customers - so what are you using and why are you frustrated?
> > > > 
> > > > regards,
> > > > 
> > > > Jon
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Jon,
> > > > > 
> > > > > We, my wife and I, have our "understandings" and "accomodations." The 4880 came about because she wanted a quick color print of our daughter, and I told her to go to Costco. Not a smart move on my part, but I had no color inks loaded in any of my printers. So I got the 4880 for my birthday present, I dare not muck it up with anything other than OEM color. I finally sat down last week and wrote up a few b/w QTR curves for it because my customary b/w 4800 is suffering banding.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I am almost to a point of abandoning 3rd party inks - but I am keeping up about the possibility of glossy compatible Piezo Sepia.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Geez Shilesh,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > You have to form an ink business or something so you can justify the madness to her. I am afraid it's the only way...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Jon
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, the old 1160 was a CMYK printer and QTR manages it just fine. So I can imagine the WF1100 may also be drivable with QTR, although I don't know how the dual K would be managed. Even if one of the K channels remain inactive, the printer should make a great quad printer.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > If you have one, try it. And let us know how it works out. Perhaps someone can appeal to Paul Roark because I know he has played around with it. Or, I could run over to Best Buy and pick one up for cheap. Grr, I can imagine my wife's reaction. I have a 4000, 4800, 4880, R2400, R220 all sitting around my office or closets.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > answers below:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Two questions:
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > (1) Can you select/address MK and PK channels independently, like on a 4000? Or do you do this switch at the printer control panel? Either way would be workable.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Did not attempt this yet.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > (2) Would it be possible to keep GLOP in the Orange and/or Green channels, and drive GLOP 2nd pass overcoat using Photoshop pure color swatch? I can do this on the K3 printers with GLOP in the Yellow position. This is not the most ideal situation, but at least a fully controllable ink channel is not lost to GLOP. And it may not be possible to dial-in the most ideal ink limit for GLOP overcoat.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > One would need to find the exact RGB value that ONLY triggers Gloss Overprint. This would be easy in StudioPrint. Might be a study in PS to make sure it does not send any other inks which would stain the GO. However, one would also need to find the value that triggers about 33% of the GO which is close to ideal, rather than more or less.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > This is a classic example of inquisitive users making tremendous contributions. Just imagine, are many people out there with 7900/9900 printers AND QTR, yet they never just tried the combination to see what would happen. Motto "never give up."
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Now I want to find what will run the Workforce 1000. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > :)
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Shilesh
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> > > > > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > I printed through QuadTone 2.6 to the 7900 today. 
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> > > > > > > > > > The calibration target was normal as Roy indicated. After creating 10 ink channel .quad curves, I was able to print a normal K7 output, but unable to print the additional test curves in the O & G inks.
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> > > > > > > > > > But, it appears at least on Windows, that anyone can print K7 curves to the 7900. I was unable to create the K7-7900 on Mac.
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> > > > > > > > > > It's a start...
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> > > > > > > > > > Jon Cone
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