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Re: Digest Number 586

2004-02-20 by jan-hinnerk.helms@t-online.de

On 19.02.2004, at 11:52, John Duval wrote:

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> take a pass....like wise the WAD. I had one once and
> am about to have one again but it's a strange beast.
> It's not a delay line as we think of it; more like a
> delay of voltages but it will do chorusing and stuff
> but you can do that better with outboard gear.
> You have 5 spaces left. Swoosh things around abit. I
> would add a VCF2 and a XFAD and a MIX2.
> Just my 2 cents worth and i'm sure others would
> disagree
> Kind regards
> John Duval

Thanks John,

for this recommendations. You just shattered my firm believings that I
need an VCFS. That was just what I needed :-)

So perhaps you can help me to sort this out:

- One the one hand I want to add the filter which sonic character is as
far away from the VCFX as possible.

- On the other hand, I want to use the second filter to establish a
second (VCO-VCM-VCF-VCA) voice path in my small system, if I feel like
it.

Which filter is better for these tasks? The VCFS or the VCF2?

I know that the differences between the different Serge filters have
been covered some time back ago on this list, and can be found in the
archives. However, I couldn't find an answer to these questions:

- Did anyone try to make the VCF2 resonant by patching a feedback? How
did it sound?

- Are there any sound files available that demonstrate the effect of
the variable slope of the VCFS on a sawtooth?

Ah…finally: The RES…I have 2 filterbanks at home, the MAM VF11 (yeah,
it is a vocoder, but can be used as a filterbank and an excellent
frequency-selective distortion) and a SND FB-14 (totally different
sound than the FB-14, cleaner, no complete attenuation [sad], very
heavy distortion possible [great], but sounds more valvy than the MAM,
which is very transistor-like, http://www.s-n-d.com/fb14e.html).

I thought adding the RES would be a nice complement to this by offering
a (hopefully) different flavor with its possibility to set some band to
become resonant. Some questions: How high is this resonance, I guess it
will not go into self-oscillation, right? And how big is the possible
attenuation? Is it possible to remove a band completely?

Thanks in advance,
best regards,
Jan-Hinnerk

Re: Digest Number 586

2004-02-20 by John P

I just wanted to make a comment on this.

Yes the WAD is somewhat odd. It's a terrific resonant flanger. And
also a good short interval echo.
The fact that it can self-resonate means you have another audio source
at your disposal.
And the VC LPF 'conditioning' filter on it is pretty neat by iself, real
nice sounding to me.

Yes of course you can do flanging with an outboard unit but chances are
it won't sound this good, it surely won't be VC able, and it won't do
all the other strange tricks. I was listening to someone's Triton Rack
last night, we were playing around with its flanger, and imho it was not
as good as WAD.

I guess part of the problem is, it takes time to twiddle this stuff
out. I've spent a fair amount of time on it and I think there's more to
it still.

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>>take a pass....like wise the WAD. I had one once and
>>am about to have one again but it's a strange beast.
>>It's not a delay line as we think of it; more like a
>>delay of voltages but it will do chorusing and stuff
>>but you can do that better with outboard gear.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Digest Number 586

2004-02-20 by Chris Whitten

I think the comment was fair. The old 2U MXR Flanger/Doubler is one of the
best I've heard. It's VCable btw and runs considerably cheaper than a WAD as
well. The MXR Digital Delay from the same period is capable of doing most
things the WAD can do, including very nice phasing and flanging.
Making a comparison to a keyboard effect is not really the point.
Of course all this is subjective.

Re: Digest Number 586

2004-02-20 by kirkdegiorgio

Jan-Hinnerk

I just uploaded a short mp3 called RES Example in the Files section.
Its a simple drum loop going thru the RES - nothing else in the
chain. I am simply turning the 2.8k knob fully CW and then slowly
back fully CCW. Then I play around at the end with some other freq's.

Hope this gives you a better idea of what the RES can do.

Regards

KD

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> Ahfinally: The RESI have 2 filterbanks at home, the MAM VF11

(yeah,

> it is a vocoder, but can be used as a filterbank and an excellent
> frequency-selective distortion) and a SND FB-14 (totally different
> sound than the FB-14, cleaner, no complete attenuation [sad], very
> heavy distortion possible [great], but sounds more valvy than the

MAM,

> which is very transistor-like, http://www.s-n-d.com/fb14e.html).
>
> I thought adding the RES would be a nice complement to this by

offering

> a (hopefully) different flavor with its possibility to set some

band to

> become resonant. Some questions: How high is this resonance, I

guess it

> will not go into self-oscillation, right? And how big is the

possible

> attenuation? Is it possible to remove a band completely?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> best regards,
> Jan-Hinnerk

Re: Digest Number 586

2004-03-30 by john duval

Haven't forgotten this post.. i'll get back to you
soon. I got married just after we exchanged mail and
things have been alittle on the hectic side since
then. Should be getting back to "normal"
soon..whatever that is. Hahaha!!!
Kind regards
John DuVal

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--- jan-hinnerk.helms@... wrote:

>
> On 19.02.2004, at 11:52, John Duval wrote:
>
> > take a pass....like wise the WAD. I had one once
> and
> > am about to have one again but it's a strange
> beast.
> > It's not a delay line as we think of it; more like
> a
> > delay of voltages but it will do chorusing and
> stuff
> > but you can do that better with outboard gear.
> > You have 5 spaces left. Swoosh things around
> abit. I
> > would add a VCF2 and a XFAD and a MIX2.
> > Just my 2 cents worth and i'm sure others would
> > disagree
> > Kind regards
> > John Duval
>
> Thanks John,
>
> for this recommendations. You just shattered my firm
> believings that I
> need an VCFS. That was just what I needed :-)
>
> So perhaps you can help me to sort this out:
>
> - One the one hand I want to add the filter which
> sonic character is as
> far away from the VCFX as possible.
>
> - On the other hand, I want to use the second filter
> to establish a
> second (VCO-VCM-VCF-VCA) voice path in my small
> system, if I feel like
> it.
>
> Which filter is better for these tasks? The VCFS or
> the VCF2?
>
> I know that the differences between the different
> Serge filters have
> been covered some time back ago on this list, and
> can be found in the
> archives. However, I couldn't find an answer to
> these questions:
>
> - Did anyone try to make the VCF2 resonant by
> patching a feedback? How
> did it sound?
>
> - Are there any sound files available that
> demonstrate the effect of
> the variable slope of the VCFS on a sawtooth?
>
> Ah�finally: The RES�I have 2 filterbanks at home,
> the MAM VF11 (yeah,
> it is a vocoder, but can be used as a filterbank and
> an excellent
> frequency-selective distortion) and a SND FB-14
> (totally different
> sound than the FB-14, cleaner, no complete
> attenuation [sad], very
> heavy distortion possible [great], but sounds more
> valvy than the MAM,
> which is very transistor-like,
> http://www.s-n-d.com/fb14e.html).
>
> I thought adding the RES would be a nice complement
> to this by offering
> a (hopefully) different flavor with its possibility
> to set some band to
> become resonant. Some questions: How high is this
> resonance, I guess it
> will not go into self-oscillation, right? And how
> big is the possible
> attenuation? Is it possible to remove a band
> completely?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> best regards,
> Jan-Hinnerk
>
>
> Keep on Patchin'!
>
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>
>
>

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