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Paper face modules - which ones

Paper face modules - which ones

2004-05-03 by angrysavant

Was the WAD, RES_EQ, FRS or VCM ever wrapped under paperface or were
these modules too late for that era?

I'm interested in buying paperfaced panels - if possible, especially
ones with the above mentioned modules... If you have any you want to
sell drop me a line.

-a

Re: Paper face modules - which ones

2004-05-03 by Scott E.

I think the WAD,RES, and VCM were. I think the FRS was too late for that.

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> ones with the above mentioned modules... If you have any you want to
> sell drop me a line.
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> -a
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Re: Paper face modules - which ones

2004-05-03 by John Loffink

FRS was not in the 1978 or 1982 catalogs, so it seems much too late for
that.

VCM was listed as new in the 1978 catalog. Was this still paperface era? A
rundown of the various Serge generations with photos would be a great
feature for Egres.

No RES or WAD in the 1978 catalog but they are both in the 1982 catalog.

John Loffink
The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott E. [mailto:yahudinyhwh@...]
> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 9:08 PM
> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [SergeModular] Paper face modules - which ones
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> I think the WAD,RES, and VCM were. I think the FRS was too late for that.
>
> Scott
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> angrysavant wrote:
> > Was the WAD, RES_EQ, FRS or VCM ever wrapped under paperface or were
> > these modules too late for that era?
> >
> > I'm interested in buying paperfaced panels - if possible, especially
> > ones with the above mentioned modules... If you have any you want to
> > sell drop me a line.
> >
> > -a
> >
> >
> >

Re: Paper face modules - which ones

2004-05-03 by S V G

I worked with Serge 1977-78. This was still the paperface period. We were phasing out the
original graphics which Serge thought were too confusing and getting into the middle period
graphics (which were easier to understand though didn't have a strong aesthetic like the later
period graphics did). Darrel would be able to put a date on the switch from paper to silkscreen.

Stephen



FRS was not in the 1978 or 1982 catalogs, so it seems much too late for
that.

VCM was listed as new in the 1978 catalog. Was this still paperface era? A
rundown of the various Serge generations with photos would be a great
feature for Egres.

No RES or WAD in the 1978 catalog but they are both in the 1982 catalog.






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Re: Paper face modules - which ones

2004-05-03 by Steve Ridley

> I worked with Serge 1977-78. This was still the paperface period.
> We were phasing out the original graphics which Serge thought were
> too confusing and getting into the middle period graphics (which were
> easier to understand though didn't have a strong aesthetic like the later
> period graphics did). Darrel would be able to put a date on the switch
> from paper to silkscreen.

Wasn't there also a period where sticky backed silver module
labels were used over fully punched out panels? Late 70s
through to early 80s modules seem to be in this style. I've also
seen photos of modules with these silver labelled modules
installed in older paper fronted panels as upgrades.

I'm not sure where the silk screening period fits in to this.

> Was the WAD, RES_EQ, FRS or VCM ever wrapped under
> paperface or were these modules too late for that era?

The RES EQ didn't appear until around 1980 or 81, so I
guess that would have been the silver labels or silk screen?

I think the VCM was a "third generation" module and was
available in the simplified mid period graphic style.

BTW , I noticed in the late 70s catalog that the "new"
Wave Multiplier module is shown as having two inputs
to the top section and only one to the bottom. This
seems like a much more useful arrangment in a small
system, as the top section could be used as a mixer as
well as a VCA in the lo setting - but I've never actually
seen a VCM like this. Anyone know if any were made
like this?



Steve

(adding to the confusion)

Re: Paper face modules - which ones

2004-05-03 by darreljohansen

As Stephen points out, there was a transition point in the late 70s
where the paper graphics and mylar were phased out and the metallic
faceplate material was used. If I remember correctly, that entire
set of modules, including the PCO, NTO, RES, and VCM were started
with paper, but quickly replaced with metal --I include the resonant
equalizer in this group, but it may have been delayed a little from
the others. After 1980, when the business was moved from the lovely
Hollywood third floor shop to the even lovelier Haight Street
office, everything was metal. The FRS and WAD were developed in the
early 80s and were only metal.

Darrel
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--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, S V G <vsyevolod@y...> wrote:
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> I worked with Serge 1977-78. This was still the paperface
period. We were phasing out the
> original graphics which Serge thought were too confusing and
getting into the middle period
> graphics (which were easier to understand though didn't have a
strong aesthetic like the later
> period graphics did). Darrel would be able to put a date on the
switch from paper to silkscreen.
>
> Stephen
>
>
>
> FRS was not in the 1978 or 1982 catalogs, so it seems much too
late for
> that.
>
> VCM was listed as new in the 1978 catalog. Was this still
paperface era? A
> rundown of the various Serge generations with photos would be a
great
> feature for Egres.
>
> No RES or WAD in the 1978 catalog but they are both in the 1982
catalog.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Paper face modules - which ones

2004-05-03 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

From: "John Loffink" <jloffink@...>

>VCM was listed as new in the 1978 catalog. Was this still paperface era? A
>rundown of the various Serge generations with photos would be a great
>feature for Egres.

I have seen photos of paperface VCMs, so they did exist. I don't recall the
others though. I'll have to hunt through my picture archives.

Ken
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Re: Paper face modules - which ones

2004-05-03 by John Loffink

I found a bitmap image with paper face VCM and Dual Phaser. I have no idea
where I captured it from. It is in the Serge Yahoo files section.

John Loffink
The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
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> From: sasami@... [mailto:sasami@...]
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> I have seen photos of paperface VCMs, so they did exist. I don't recall
> the
> others though. I'll have to hunt through my picture archives.
>
> Ken
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Odd blue-faced panels

2004-05-03 by John P

All the talk of paper faced panels reminded me of some blue-faced panels
I saw about 5 years ago.
Among more recent stuff, this guy had 2 or three old blue plastic
panels. No graphics at all on them, just knobs, jacks, and dymo-type
plastic labels (incomplete) on some of them. Maybe some empty holes.
I don't have photos, damn.
I remember he had some filters and maybe a phase shifter in this
format. The filters were squealy and rough, very old-vintage. I did
not have a look behind the panels to see if they were truly Serge stuff.

Any of the dreaded Elder Serge Gods want to weigh in on this one? Maybe
they were regular panels at one time but somebody removed the mylar?

Re: Paper face modules - which ones

2004-05-04 by Ken Stone

I've been through all my picture archives, catalogs etc, and was able
to find 5 different VCMs in paper - one later and 4 intermediate.

There were none in the original format.

I've stuck them all in one file:

in the files section : vcmpaper.jpg

One is is the well known "image28.jpg" while the others were gathered
from who-know-where.

None of the other mentioned modules appear in any of my paperface
photos. At best they may have existed in the late paperface era, but
they missed the early and intemediate eras.

Ken
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> I have seen photos of paperface VCMs, so they did exist. I don't
recall the
> others though. I'll have to hunt through my picture archives.

Re: Paper face modules - which ones

2004-05-04 by Ken Stone

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "John Loffink" <jloffink@a...>
wrote:
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> I found a bitmap image with paper face VCM and Dual Phaser. I have
no idea
> where I captured it from. It is in the Serge Yahoo files section.

I had this file too - there were 8 panels in that system, and two of
them had the VCM on them. It may have been from an auction.

Ken

Paper face modules - which ones

2004-05-18 by sydilaxe

I know that the thread is old, but I have a paper faced panel that has a module on it that I
have not seen anywhere else. It is called the voltage controlled filterbank. It is basically
three tunable bandpass filters (with a highpass and lowpass at both ends). All three filters
can be voltage controlled. It has a variety of output options and VC over all filters
simultaneously. The panel also has a second multimode VCF (that sounds 24db and has
very unstable resonant characteristics) and a matrix mixer. Does anyone else own a Serge
voltage controlled filterbank (or is this a one of a kind)?

The panel is paper faced with typed text...very unusual.

Ben

Re: Paper face modules - which ones

2004-05-19 by Fernando

Hi Ben,

Can you take a good photo of the panel?
Thanx,

Fernando
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