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RE: [SynthModules] PSIM vs XT

RE: [SynthModules] PSIM vs XT

2004-10-05 by Fahl, Romeo

I have an XTk.  Still waiting on my PSIM though.
 
Romeo
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How many of you PSIM owners also have a Waldorf uWave XT?

Besides me of course...

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PSIM-1 schedule update

2004-10-05 by Larry Hendry

--- "Fahl, Romeo" <rfahl@extensis.com> wrote:
> I have an XTk.  Still waiting on my PSIM though.

Me too. :-(  Hey Brice !  How about an update.. You know something
like, "Well I have about ## left to ship and I expect to get them
done by MM/DD/YY."  Specific information helps the waiting.  I know
that because my customers always have to wait, and wait.  But, they
should most all have their PSIM panels by now. :-)

Thanks much,
Larry H


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Re: [SynthModules] PSIM-1 schedule update

2004-10-05 by ftg

Yeh, i gotta say, 7 months since payment and not a word is really not great.
I know it's the whole MOTM-style small-business and all, but really,
an update would certainly easy my frustration.....

On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:22:50 -0700 (PDT), Larry Hendry
<hendrysr@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> 
> --- "Fahl, Romeo" <rfahl@extensis.com> wrote:
> > I have an XTk.  Still waiting on my PSIM though.
> 
> Me too. :-(  Hey Brice !  How about an update.. You know something
> like, "Well I have about ## left to ship and I expect to get them
> done by MM/DD/YY."  Specific information helps the waiting.  I know
> that because my customers always have to wait, and wait.  But, they
> should most all have their PSIM panels by now. :-)
> 
> Thanks much,
> Larry H
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Re: [SynthModules] PSIM-1 schedule update

2004-10-07 by Brice D. Hornback

Hi Larry.  I'm working desperately to get the remaining PSIM-1's shipped by 
the end of this month.  Believe me... I wish they were all done and shipped 
by now!  ;)  Those of you still waiting... thank you for your patience.  I 
had no idea what I was getting myself into with this project.  The next time 
around... it'll be much easier.  I made a few "design decisions" that were 
not in "my" best interest... as in... next time, I'll make them easier to 
assemble.  I can already hear a few "I told you so" comments... I know... I 
know...

Take care,
Brice
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Subject: [SynthModules] PSIM-1 schedule update


>
> --- "Fahl, Romeo" <rfahl@extensis.com> wrote:
>> I have an XTk.  Still waiting on my PSIM though.
>
> Me too. :-(  Hey Brice !  How about an update.. You know something
> like, "Well I have about ## left to ship and I expect to get them
> done by MM/DD/YY."  Specific information helps the waiting.  I know
> that because my customers always have to wait, and wait.  But, they
> should most all have their PSIM panels by now. :-)
>
> Thanks much,
> Larry H
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Re: PSIM-1 schedule update

2004-10-07 by Colin Hinz

On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Larry Hendry wrote:

> --- "Fahl, Romeo" <rfahl@extensis.com> wrote:
> > I have an XTk.  Still waiting on my PSIM though.
>
> Me too. :-(  Hey Brice !  How about an update.. You know something
> like, "Well I have about ## left to ship and I expect to get them
> done by MM/DD/YY."  Specific information helps the waiting.  I know
> that because my customers always have to wait, and wait.  But, they
> should most all have their PSIM panels by now. :-)

Mine arrived today, and it's a beaut! Not that I had any reason
to expect otherwise, of course.

Actually, with the PSIM-1 arriving late this month, the timing of
everything is just about perfect (aside from the pipeline delay,
I suppose) -- It'll take me a couple of weeks to get the panel ready,
just in time to mate with the board. And to boot, I've got a few
other synth projects that are nearing completion, so I predict
that November will be a happy and noisy month for me. Yay!

- Colin Hinz
  Toronto, Canada

Re: [SynthModules] Re: PSIM-1 schedule update

2004-10-07 by Larry Hendry

Thanks for the update Brice.  I too feel for you.  I sure would not
welcome the idea of assembling 50 modules for others.  Heck, I cannot
even find time to build the ones for me. :-)

--- Colin Hinz <asfi@eol.ca> wrote:
> Actually, with the PSIM-1 arriving late this month, the timing of
> everything is just about perfect (aside from the pipeline delay,
> I suppose) -- It'll take me a couple of weeks to get the panel
> ready,just in time to mate with the board. 

Ha !  Brice must be slow if the panels made it out before the panels.
 Because, I KNOW the panels are slow.  <snicker>

Seriously Brice... thanks for taking the time to do it right.  I'm
looking forward to mine after hearing the fun tht everyone else if
having. :-)

Larry H


		
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Re: [SynthModules] Re: PSIM-1 schedule update

2004-10-07 by Colin Hinz

On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, Larry Hendry wrote:

> Thanks for the update Brice.  I too feel for you.  I sure would not
> welcome the idea of assembling 50 modules for others.  Heck, I cannot
> even find time to build the ones for me. :-)

My own experience is that I'm really gung-ho about "populating" the
PCB, but the panel and wiring portion will take *years* to do.

If I got stuck producing a large batch of something, I'd probably
resort to heavy-duty measures like using the pre-assembled wiring
harnesses that can be ordered from Digi-Key, say. It's the only
way I'd stay sane.

- Colin Hinz
  Toronto, Canada

Re: [SynthModules] Re: PSIM-1 schedule update

2004-10-07 by john mahoney

> Thanks for the update Brice.  I too feel for you.  I sure would not
> welcome the idea of assembling 50 modules for others.  Heck, I
cannot
> even find time to build the ones for me. :-)

Is 50 the real number? Wow!

What will be the total population of PSIMs "in the wild," once
everything in the pipeline has been shipped?
--
john

Re: [SynthModules] Re: PSIM-1 schedule update

2004-10-07 by Brice D. Hornback

Once all of them have been shipped, there will be 56 of them "in the wild". 
The first three were prototypes.  The second three were pre-production.  The 
following 50 are production.  Okay... the first few (maybe a dozen) were 
"fun" to build (sort of).  After that... well... oh the stories I could 
tell!  heh

Things go along smoothly until you hit one with a problem and have to 
diagnose and troubleshoot it.  I had one with a single bad DAC channel on it 
(tiny little surface mount part).  Talk about *frustrating*!  I also hand 
match all the LEDs as well as several other parts.  For those of you who 
haven't seen one in person... all the resistors and diodes (and there are a 
LOT of them) are all "hand formed" as the resistors mount vertically and the 
diodes aren't quite 0.4" (can't use the lead former - and never trust the 
handy PCB layout software!).  Anyway... when it comes down to it, the PCBs 
aren't that difficult.  It's getting the parts matched and then off it goes. 
Wiring the panel takes "forever".  I'm glad there are so many "partials"!!! 
(Thanks Larry!!!)  Believe it or not, what drives me nuts is the power 
cables, packaging, updating software for the CDs, etc.   The layout of the 
wiring pads could have been better.  I route them neatly and am actually a 
bit afraid to change *anything* because these work so well *exactly* as they 
are.

Anyway... onwards and sideways... errr... upwards!  :)

Take care everyone!
- Brice
http://www.SynthModules.com

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Subject: Re: [SynthModules] Re: PSIM-1 schedule update


>
>> Thanks for the update Brice.  I too feel for you.  I sure would not
>> welcome the idea of assembling 50 modules for others.  Heck, I
> cannot
>> even find time to build the ones for me. :-)
>
> Is 50 the real number? Wow!
>
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> everything in the pipeline has been shipped?
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Re: [SynthModules] Re: PSIM-1 schedule update

2004-10-07 by john mahoney

> Once all of them have been shipped, there will be 56 of them "in the
wild".

That's a nice population! I'd say the software base will be expanding
rapidly.


> The first three were prototypes.  The second three were
pre-production.

I think I've got a pre-production unit. If there are any functional
differences between these and the production units, please let me (or
the list) know. Anything that would make software behave differently,
for example. Thanks.


> Things go along smoothly until you hit one with a problem and have
to
> diagnose and troubleshoot it....

Anyone who has built anything can (sort of) understand your troubles.
A minor problem here, a completely different problem there...
compounded by dozens of modules, well, I shudder to think of the
workload. Heck, my little Ray Wilson Sound Lab synth has 3 little
bugs, and I've avoided fixing it for months; good thing that I don't
have a paying customer waiting for it!


> Anyway... onwards and sideways... errr... upwards!  :)

3 words for you: Design for manufacturing. :-) Easier said than done,
surely.


> Take care everyone!

And you, too!
--
john

Re: [SynthModules] PSIM-1 schedule update

2004-10-08 by Brice D. Hornback

I hope my previous emails clears things up...  I hadn't noticed your email 
was sitting in the queue but went ahead and approved it.  All "first" posts 
are moderated to keep out spammers.

Thanks,
Brice

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Subject: Re: [SynthModules] PSIM-1 schedule update


>
>
> Yeh, i gotta say, 7 months since payment and not a word is really not 
> great.
> I know it's the whole MOTM-style small-business and all, but really,
> an update would certainly easy my frustration.....
>
> On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:22:50 -0700 (PDT), Larry Hendry
> <hendrysr@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> --- "Fahl, Romeo" <rfahl@extensis.com> wrote:
>> > I have an XTk.  Still waiting on my PSIM though.
>>
>> Me too. :-(  Hey Brice !  How about an update.. You know something
>> like, "Well I have about ## left to ship and I expect to get them
>> done by MM/DD/YY."  Specific information helps the waiting.  I know
>> that because my customers always have to wait, and wait.  But, they
>> should most all have their PSIM panels by now. :-)
>>
>> Thanks much,
>> Larry H
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EMS

2004-10-08 by Tobias Machine Head

Pretty tasty s**t!

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Re: [SynthModules] Re: PSIM-1 schedule update

2004-10-08 by Brice D. Hornback

John,

> I think I've got a pre-production unit. If there are any functional
> differences between these and the production units, please let me (or
> the list) know. Anything that would make software behave differently,
> for example. Thanks.

No.  There are absolutely no functional differences between the 
pre-production and production modules other than in the production modules, 
the I2C resistors are left off so we can use those two pins for other I/O 
(ie. the SpeakJet).  There are a couple of minor changes in routing of the 
traces... but other than that, solder mask and silkscreen is about it.  Any 
program written for the PSIM-1 will work on any PSIM-1 shipped.  I know 
several folks have requested a MIDI interface... and that's in the works.

> 3 words for you: Design for manufacturing. :-) Easier said than done,
> surely.

Yes, easier said than done.  I *thought* I was designing it for easy 
manufacturing... but I was thinking of it as how I would build it as a 
kit... not a bunch of them.  Yes, the PSIM-1 was originally designed as a 
kit (hence the extensive use of through-hole parts).  But if anyone has ever 
built a Blacet Time Machine... imagine building 50 of them in a row... only 
with more jacks and wiring.  heh  I *know* I should have designed the PCB 
for PCB mounted jacks (and yes Grant... I know... I know!)... but what's 
done is done.  Anyway, like I said earlier... once the first three 
prototypes were built, there were a few changes made on the next three.... 
and then onto production.  I don't like making changes to a PCB layout once 
it's been tested for fear of screwing something else up.  Ground loops, 
interference, etc. can be very difficult to troubleshoot.  So... using the 
philosophy that "if it works, don't fix it"... well, this is how it ended 
up.

Will I redesign the PCB for the next batch?  Probably... but not much.  I'll 
make wiring easier and probably go to surface mount for more of the 
components and SIP resistor networks where possible.  But, before I get 
ahead of myself... I need to finish this batch... and take a break to clear 
my head.  I'd just be happy with finishing up this batch of modules and 
making some music for a few weeks as I have a CD I'd like to finish. 
Somewhere between "hey, this would be a cool module" and "now"... I've 
learned a LOT about bringing a synth module from concept to production. 
Hats off to EVERYONE who has ever undertaken anything like this before.  I'm 
not saying I've walked miles in the shoes of John Blacet or Grant Richter... 
but I've tried on the shoes and some days they fit well... and other days 
they can be painful.  I've really enjoyed this project and the wonderful 
friends I've made and community we've built... and have full expectations 
that we'll see more from SynthModules in the future.

By the way, Basic Micro has released a new version of the IDE (programming 
software) we use for programming the PSIM-1.  It is version 7.2.0.6.  I 
recommend anyone who already has thier PSIM-1 download and install the new 
version.  Changes in this version include:

- Added FLOAT support to FOR/NEXT loops
- Added FLOAT support to MIN/MAX functions
- Fixed Conditional compiling bug(#IF/#IFDEF/#IFNDEF etc).
- Added FATAN2 command(syntax FATAN2 Yfloat\Xfloat,result, ie FATAN2 
1.0\2.0,result)
- Fixed FASIN/FACOS commands to handle -1.0 to 1.0(previously only supported 
0.0 to 1.0)

I'm excited about the the additional support for the FLOAT command as well 
as the FASIN/FACOS update.

Version 7.2.0.6 can be download here:
http://www.basicmicro.com/ViewPage.aspx?ContentCode=d_basicatompro

Anyway... off to work (day job building and repairing PCs)...

Take care everyone!
- Brice
http://www.SynthModules.com

Brice... Help !!

2004-10-27 by Larry Hendry

Hey, this may be of general interest, so I made it public.

I am drilling a PSIM-1 panel for a customer.  I have one question.  I
cannot figure this out on my own since I don't have my PSIM-1 just
yet.

Are the pushbuttons panel mount so that they are also supplied with
the PSIM-1 even for those building on large format panels?  If so,
what size is the hole?  If not, I assume the user is supplying his
own pushbuttons and that will determine the size.

Thanks
Larry



		
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More help

2004-10-27 by Larry Hendry

OK, I should have also asked, what size hole for the single screw
that holds the PSIM-1 LED board in place?  I drilled it the same size
as the Wiard Noise Ring LED screw hole thing for now as I am certain
it is no smaller than that.

Thanks
Larry





		
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Re: More help

2004-10-31 by Gary Chang

Larry,

If you still don't have the information, call Grant Richter - he has
been making Blue faceplates for my PSIMs, so he should have the
dimensions that you need....

You probably know it already, but you can find his phone number on the
contact page of his www.wiard.com website.

gary


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> that holds the PSIM-1 LED board in place?  I drilled it the same size
> as the Wiard Noise Ring LED screw hole thing for now as I am certain
> it is no smaller than that.
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Re: [SynthModules] Brice... Help !!

2004-10-31 by Brice D. Hornback

Larry,

Yes, the users of the partials (for the Stooge panels) are supplying their 
own pushbuttons and jacks.

I am supplying the nice black 4-40 screw and nut to mount the LED board to 
the panel (the LEDs act as stand-offs).  The hole for *that* screw is the 
same diameter as the T1 LED holes which is 3.2mm (0.1260").

For those interested (and if they want to use the same pushbutton)... the 
pushbuttons I am using on the completed PSIM-1 frac-rack panels are machined 
to 4.5mm (0.1772") diameter and I'm using three (3) ITT Cannon (C&K) 
Pushbutton Switch MOM-(N/O) SPST (Mouser Part# 611-8631-252).  Here is a 
link to the datasheet for the switch:
http://www.ittcannon.com/media/pdf/catalogs/Leaf/SW_push_8600.pdf

It's a very small pushbutton switch.  Anyway, any MOM-(N/O) SPST switch will 
work fine.

I hope this helps...

- Brice
http://www.SynthModules.com

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>
> Hey, this may be of general interest, so I made it public.
>
> I am drilling a PSIM-1 panel for a customer.  I have one question.  I
> cannot figure this out on my own since I don't have my PSIM-1 just
> yet.
>
> Are the pushbuttons panel mount so that they are also supplied with
> the PSIM-1 even for those building on large format panels?  If so,
> what size is the hole?  If not, I assume the user is supplying his
> own pushbuttons and that will determine the size.
>
> Thanks
> Larry
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PSIM panels I drilled

2004-11-01 by Larry Hendry

--- "Brice D. Hornback" <bdh@cyberbound.net> wrote:
> Larry,
> 
> Yes, the users of the partials (for the Stooge panels) are
> supplying their own pushbuttons and jacks.

Thanks Brice.  All of those who I was drilling for have specified
their own switches. (ones more standard to the MOTM format)

> I am supplying the nice black 4-40 screw and nut to mount the LED
> board to the panel (the LEDs act as stand-offs).  The hole for
> *that* screw is the same diameter as the T1 LED holes which is
> 3.2mm (0.1260").

Thanks.  I screwed that up.  I drilled the screw hole too small.  I
followed the screw size on the Wiard Noise Ring.  So, those people I
drilled PSIM panels for will have to slightly enlarge their screw
hole (1/8" drill bit will work fine) or they will need to send them
back to me for hole enlargement.

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Re: [SynthModules] Re: More help

2004-11-01 by Larry Hendry

Thanks Gary.  I got an answer from Brice and just realized all of
these are in the boxes ready to ship tomorrow.  I guess I'll unpack
them and fix that one hole. 
Larry

--- Gary Chang <gchang@calarts.edu> wrote:

> 
> 
> Larry,
> 
> If you still don't have the information, call Grant Richter - he
> has
> been making Blue faceplates for my PSIMs, so he should have the
> dimensions that you need....
> 
> You probably know it already, but you can find his phone number on
> the
> contact page of his www.wiard.com website.
> 
> gary
> 
> 
> --- In SynthModules@yahoogroups.com, Larry Hendry <hendrysr@y...>
> wrote:
> > OK, I should have also asked, what size hole for the single screw
> > that holds the PSIM-1 LED board in place?  I drilled it the same
> size
> > as the Wiard Noise Ring LED screw hole thing for now as I am
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