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Line level into Mic level input

Line level into Mic level input

2008-01-15 by scatterplot1

I'm just about to order a theramin, I really want to try it. Most have 
a mono line level out. I want to try running it into a guitar multi FX 
pedal once I play it some. Anyone ever done this, and with no fried 
circuits in the FX unit? Years ago I used to run the mono output of an 
Oberheim Matrix1000 rack synth into a RAT distortion box. I kept the 
volume on the oberheim low and all that happened was that it got 
distortion. Any feedback on mic level FX used with theramin outputs is 
appreciated. What have players tried? Delay? Distortion? How did it 
sound?
Jim

Re: [Aetherphon] Line level into Mic level input

2008-01-15 by Bret

--- scatterplot1 <scatterplot1@...> wrote:
> I'm just about to order a theramin, I really want to try it. Most
> have 
> a mono line level out. I want to try running it into a guitar multi
> FX 
> pedal once I play it some. Anyone ever done this, and with no fried 
> circuits in the FX unit? Years ago I used to run the mono output of
> an 
> Oberheim Matrix1000 rack synth into a RAT distortion box. I kept the 
> volume on the oberheim low and all that happened was that it got 
> distortion. Any feedback on mic level FX used with theramin outputs
> is 
> appreciated. What have players tried? Delay? Distortion? How did it 
> sound?

Jim,
First, Welcome and congrats on your decision to buy a theremin.  You
are on your way to being assimilated.  Resistance is futile :-)

Remember that the output level of a modern electric guitar and that of
a modern microphone can be quite different.   In general, electric
guitars have a stronger output than microphones.  This of course
depends on the guitar, and type and model of mic, but guitar amps and
effects are generally expecting a higher level than a so called mic
level. 

In my 40 years of experience, guitar amps and effects will not be
damaged by inputting an unbalanced line level (-10dBv) signal.  You may
get distortion from the input being overdriven.  

The output of a Moog etherwave is nominally .5v to 1v RMS, at 2.4kohm
impedance.  Changing 1 resistor (R33) from 4.7kohm to 47kohm will
reduce the output level to be suitable for a guitar amp/effect.
http://www.moogmusic.com/manuals/HotRodEtherwav.pdf

The wavefront theremins have an output level control.  
http://www.theremin.ws/

If you have a level control on a line level signal, you can reduce the
level suitable for guitar effects or amps' inputs.

If the theremin does not have an output level control, and you do not
want to modify the theremin for lower output level, you can build or
buy a 'pad', to reduce the signal level.  

These are typically (on the cheap) resistor networks.  You could build
one that had a potentiometer to adjust the amount of level reduction. 
I can elaborate if you wish.

In general, I find that vacuum tube type inputs on guitar amps (or
effects) are more tolerant to higher signal levels than discrete
transistor inputs, which are more tolerant to higher signal levels than
opamps (which are common in modern guitar effects).
 
Regardless, a simple resistive pad can make the combo of any theremin
output to any guitar effect/amp work just find without distortion.

Try any/all types of effects.  How do they sound?  
Delays sound delayed, distortions sound distorted, etc.  It all depend
on what you want to do.

Slapback echos have been used to the point of them be cliche, reverb is
very useful generally, long delays (loops) are fun.  

bret


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Re: [Aetherphon] Line level into Mic level input

2008-01-15 by rupert chappelle

i have used a variety of pedals with the etherwave and
had no problems and got the expected results. stick
with name brands and if you have doubts bring the
theremin into the store and try it out.

the only real problems are sound guys who have no clue
and treat your theremin or synth as if it were a mic.

i have used effects units by the following
manufacturers

korg 
peavy
alesis
boss
yamaha
zoom
electroharmonix (ring mod)

i also have run it into a korg ms2000.

i currently run it into a boss dd50 and use the
onboard effects with a cheap eurorack mixer.

no modifications are necessary.
--- scatterplot1 <scatterplot1@...> wrote:

> I'm just about to order a theramin, I really want to
> try it. Most have 
> a mono line level out. I want to try running it into
> a guitar multi FX 
> pedal once I play it some. Anyone ever done this,
> and with no fried 
> circuits in the FX unit? Years ago I used to run the
> mono output of an 
> Oberheim Matrix1000 rack synth into a RAT distortion
> box. I kept the 
> volume on the oberheim low and all that happened was
> that it got 
> distortion. Any feedback on mic level FX used with
> theramin outputs is 
> appreciated. What have players tried? Delay?
> Distortion? How did it 
> sound?
> Jim 
> 
> 



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