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Hi, Another new member with an S1100

Hi, Another new member with an S1100

2013-07-02 by The Wulluf

I am now the frustrated owner of an S1100 sampler, bought off eBay with two or thrre Plextor CD-Dom drives and a ZIP drive. The machine came with a full complement of ram, the latest ROMs installed as well as the latest OS on a floppy. Like an idiot I was sick of booting it from the floppy, thinking the ROM OS was an older version, bought a set of ROMs off eBay, so I now have a spare set.
The sampler will read files off one of the ZIP disks, so that is working, after a fashion, however it will not format ZIP disks. When I try, it will sit there as if it is formatting, for hours, until I turn it off.
I gave up trying to get disk s formatted, went on line to buy an external SCSI hard drive to use for storage. Same problem, I cannot format it, same problem, disk not ready, various refusals to ARRange or Format the disk.
So I still have a sampler which hates all things disk shaped. SCSI on the drive is set to 5, sampler defiaults to 6, tried with and without a terminator.

Help!

Or, Want to buy a sampler which won't play with disks?

Re: Hi, Another new member with an S1100

2013-07-03 by cavhuey

--- In akaiS1000S1100Samplers@yahoogroups.com, "The Wulluf" <unclehonk@...> wrote:
>
> I am now the frustrated owner of an S1100 sampler, bought off eBay with two or thrre Plextor CD-Dom drives and a ZIP drive. The machine came with a full complement of ram, the latest ROMs installed as well as the latest OS on a floppy. Like an idiot I was sick of booting it from the floppy, thinking the ROM OS was an older version, bought a set of ROMs off eBay, so I now have a spare set.
> The sampler will read files off one of the ZIP disks, so that is working, after a fashion, however it will not format ZIP disks. When I try, it will sit there as if it is formatting, for hours, until I turn it off.
> I gave up trying to get disk s formatted, went on line to buy an external SCSI hard drive to use for storage. Same problem, I cannot format it, same problem, disk not ready, various refusals to ARRange or Format the disk.
> So I still have a sampler which hates all things disk shaped. SCSI on the drive is set to 5, sampler defiaults to 6, tried with and without a terminator.
> 
> Help!
> 
> Or, Want to buy a sampler which won't play with disks?

Hi,

That's realy strange indeed.
I quess you already know you must use "arrange" for removeblae drives (like zipdrives) and use "format" for real hard drives.
When you use "format" for zipdrives, you could damage the disk itself and it will become unuseable.

Zipdrives are working with the S1100. I have one S1100 with v4.3 myself, and I tested it with an external SCSI 100 zipdrive and later I build in an internal zip 100 drive and both works perfect.

The SCSI ID's are correct. The drive(s) must be terminated (The AKAI is terminated by factory, so that's all correct.
All I can suggest (if you have the possibility) is to connect both the zipdrive and SCSI hard drive to a PC. So you can test both drives (and the zipdisk(s) as well) and you can do a good DOS format first. Try to format/arrange again on the S1100 after.
 
One other thing you can try is to AKAI format the drives on a PC with Translator. Try to format/arrange again on the AKAI itself.

Cheers
>

Re: Hi, Another new member with an S1100

2013-07-03 by Phil Wood

I must admit I didn\u2019t know that you shouldn\u2019t format ZIP disks. I thought about connecting both drives, but I don\u2019t have a suitable cable for disk drive to disk drive. Also witout digging into my room full of antique PCs (Not easy, it is also full of building materials!) I don\u2019t have a PC with a suitable SCSI connector. I haven\u2019t found an Akai compatable formatter which works with 64 bit Windows 7, if there is one out there please let me know what it is, I would like to try that option, even just to format some floppies

Re: [akaiS1000S1100Samplers] Re: Hi, Another new member with an S1100

2013-07-03 by PeWe

We\ufffdre talking SCSI on lowest level w/ S-1000.

512MB is the max an S-1000 can access and 512byte/sector is what it can read/write.

AKAI S-1000\ufffd doesn\ufffdt do in-depth formatting, is more "soft" formatting and "arrange" modes.

Pre-formatted ZIP-100 disks work.
There\ufffds more pre-formatted media out there,- MOD p.ex. ...

I have ZIP 100, Jazz 2GB and 230MB/512byte/sector MOD as well as 640MB/1024byte/sector MOD media.

Only ZIP 100 and 230MB/512byte/sector media works w/ S-1000.
520MB/512byte sector MOD media would work too,- but I don\ufffdt have.

The larger media beyond 520MB and w/ 1024byte/sectors works only w/ EMU EOS samplers here, not AKAI S-1000/3000 series samplers.

When using SCSI harddrives and/or Syquest removable media drives (44 /88 MB),- the S-1000 does the formatting w/o issues.
You can use larger SCSI HDs, but 520MB is the accessable limit and the other space will be unused.
I use 1GB SCSI harddrives formatted to 500MB.

You can pre-format SCSI HDs and removable media drives w/ old Mac PPC machines (OS 8 -9) and SCSI Director application.

Don\ufffdt try latest OS machines, regardless of Mac or PC,- AFAIK,- it won\ufffdt work.

I use a PC (Win XP) and an Adaptec SCSI card,- actually I don\ufffdt remember the model number,- which works fine.
It has a mini-50-pole SCSI connector.
You need that connector on one end of a SCSI cable and a 50-pole Centronics on the other end of the cable.
That way, I\ufffdm able to use the computer and Synthax /Hybrid Arts 19" SCSI and optical as well as Syquest drives loaded w/ AKAI samples for transfers to the machines (S-1000 / S-1100/ EMU E-64 / Win XP computer).

According to Steinberg Wavelab ...
Wavelab 4.01b is the latest supporting SCSI and it works only w/ EMU E64 directly (Sampler to PCI/SCSI card).
With S-1000, you need to transfer all data to SCSI drive 1st, then connect that drive to the computer w/ SCSI PCI card attached and then copy data from that drive into Wavelab.

Floppies to be used in S-1000 can be only formatted by the S-1000 itself,- that\ufffds my experience.
As a reference,- I own S-1000 and 2x S-1100 as 1st owner.
Had a S-1000PB too which is now gone.


Am 03.07.2013 23:50, schrieb Phil Wood:
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I must admit I didn\u2019t know that you shouldn\u2019t format ZIP disks. I thought about connecting both drives, but I don\u2019t have a suitable cable for disk drive to disk drive. Also witout digging into my room full of antique PCs (Not easy, it is also full of building materials!) I don\u2019t have a PC with a suitable SCSI connector. I haven\u2019t found an Akai compatable formatter which works with 64 bit Windows 7, if there is one out there please let me know what it is, I would like to try that option, even just to format some floppies



Re: Hi, Another new member with an S1100

2013-07-04 by The Wulluf

Thanks for the info, I will have to dig out an antique PC and SCSI card then check the drives out, use that there utility to check/arrange/format the disks then try again.

--- In akaiS1000S1100Samplers@yahoogroups.com, PeWe <ha-pewe@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> We´re talking SCSI on lowest level w/ S-1000.
> 
> 512MB is the max an S-1000 can access and 512byte/sector is what it can 
> read/write.
> 
> AKAI S-1000  doesn´t do in-depth formatting, is more "soft" formatting 
> and "arrange" modes.
> 
> Pre-formatted ZIP-100 disks work.
> There´s more pre-formatted media out there,- MOD p.ex. ...
> 
> I have ZIP 100, Jazz 2GB and 230MB/512byte/sector MOD as well as 
> 640MB/1024byte/sector MOD media.
> 
> Only ZIP 100 and 230MB/512byte/sector media works w/ S-1000.
> 520MB/512byte sector MOD media would work too,- but I don´t have.
> 
> The larger media beyond 520MB and w/ 1024byte/sectors works only w/ EMU 
> EOS samplers here, not AKAI S-1000/3000 series samplers.
> 
> When using SCSI harddrives and/or Syquest removable media drives (44 /88 
> MB),- the S-1000 does the formatting w/o issues.
> You can use larger SCSI HDs, but 520MB is the accessable limit and the 
> other space will be unused.
> I use 1GB SCSI harddrives formatted to 500MB.
> 
> You can pre-format SCSI HDs and removable media drives w/ old Mac PPC 
> machines (OS 8 -9) and SCSI Director application.
> 
> Don´t try latest OS machines, regardless of Mac or PC,- AFAIK,- it won´t 
> work.
> 
> I use a PC (Win XP) and an Adaptec SCSI card,- actually I don´t remember 
> the model number,- which works fine.
> It has a mini-50-pole SCSI connector.
> You need that connector on one end of a SCSI cable and a 50-pole 
> Centronics on the other end of the cable.
> That way, I´m able to use the computer and Synthax /Hybrid Arts 19" SCSI 
> and optical as well as Syquest drives loaded w/ AKAI samples for 
> transfers to the machines (S-1000 / S-1100/ EMU E-64 / Win XP computer).
> 
> According to Steinberg Wavelab ...
> Wavelab 4.01b is the latest supporting SCSI and it works only w/ EMU E64 
> directly (Sampler to PCI/SCSI card).
> With S-1000, you need to transfer all data to SCSI drive 1st, then 
> connect that drive to the computer w/ SCSI PCI card attached and then 
> copy data from that drive into Wavelab.
> 
> Floppies to be used in S-1000 can be only formatted by the S-1000 
> itself,- that´s my experience.
> As a reference,- I own S-1000 and 2x S-1100 as 1st owner.
> Had a S-1000PB too which is now gone.
> 
> 
> Am 03.07.2013 23:50, schrieb Phil Wood:
> >
> > I must admit I didn't know that you shouldn't format ZIP disks. I 
> > thought about connecting both drives, but I don't have a suitable 
> > cable for disk drive to disk drive. Also witout digging into my room 
> > full of antique PCs (Not easy, it is also full of building materials!) 
> > I don't have a PC with a suitable SCSI connector. I haven't found an 
> > Akai compatable formatter which works with 64 bit Windows 7, if there 
> > is one out there please let me know what it is, I would like to try 
> > that option, even just to format some floppies
> >
> >
>

Re: [akaiS1000S1100Samplers] Re: Hi, Another new member with an S1100

2013-07-06 by Jason Adkins

Its probably an Adaptec 2460 which is the one I have with same connector,this works great with my ESI32Turbo and S5000 using Wavelab 4.01b and can also try SMDI for other stuff,not saying it will work though!

But yeah most of this sounds correct,i tell you what the S1000 may have crap scsi but the Yamaha A3000 equals it for slowness and down right bloody awkwardness with which SCSI drive it will see,I gave up with mine and just used an external Zip drive.

On 4 Jul 2013, at 00:14, PeWe wrote:


We´re talking SCSI on lowest level w/ S-1000.

512MB is the max an S-1000 can access and 512byte/sector is what it can read/write.

AKAI S-1000 doesn´t do in-depth formatting, is more "soft" formatting and "arrange" modes.

Pre-formatted ZIP-100 disks work.
There´s more pre-formatted media out there,- MOD p.ex. ...

I have ZIP 100, Jazz 2GB and 230MB/512byte/sector MOD as well as 640MB/1024byte/sector MOD media.

Only ZIP 100 and 230MB/512byte/sector media works w/ S-1000.
520MB/512byte sector MOD media would work too,- but I don´t have.

The larger media beyond 520MB and w/ 1024byte/sectors works only w/ EMU EOS samplers here, not AKAI S-1000/3000 series samplers.

When using SCSI harddrives and/or Syquest removable media drives (44 /88 MB),- the S-1000 does the formatting w/o issues.
You can use larger SCSI HDs, but 520MB is the accessable limit and the other space will be unused.
I use 1GB SCSI harddrives formatted to 500MB.

You can pre-format SCSI HDs and removable media drives w/ old Mac PPC machines (OS 8 -9) and SCSI Director application.

Don´t try latest OS machines, regardless of Mac or PC,- AFAIK,- it won´t work.

I use a PC (Win XP) and an Adaptec SCSI card,- actually I don´t remember the model number,- which works fine.
It has a mini-50-pole SCSI connector.
You need that connector on one end of a SCSI cable and a 50-pole Centronics on the other end of the cable.
That way, I´m able to use the computer and Synthax /Hybrid Arts 19" SCSI and optical as well as Syquest drives loaded w/ AKAI samples for transfers to the machines (S-1000 / S-1100/ EMU E-64 / Win XP computer).

According to Steinberg Wavelab ...
Wavelab 4.01b is the latest supporting SCSI and it works only w/ EMU E64 directly (Sampler to PCI/SCSI card).
With S-1000, you need to transfer all data to SCSI drive 1st, then connect that drive to the computer w/ SCSI PCI card attached and then copy data from that drive into Wavelab.

Floppies to be used in S-1000 can be only formatted by the S-1000 itself,- that´s my experience.
As a reference,- I own S-1000 and 2x S-1100 as 1st owner.
Had a S-1000PB too which is now gone.


Am 03.07.2013 23:50, schrieb Phil Wood:

I must admit I didn’t know that you shouldn’t format ZIP disks. I thought about connecting both drives, but I don’t have a suitable cable for disk drive to disk drive. Also witout digging into my room full of antique PCs (Not easy, it is also full of building materials!) I don’t have a PC with a suitable SCSI connector. I haven’t found an Akai compatable formatter which works with 64 bit Windows 7, if there is one out there please let me know what it is, I would like to try that option, even just to format some floppies





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