Analogue-sequencer

> But in pattern edit there is show ; ACC CONF NOTE RNG  and APPLY FTS, the
if
> you press F3 says apllied when I have´nt selectd it in the global mode..
> What is it?

FTS only acts on the notes as they are transmitted - the actual pattern data
is unaffected. 'Apply FTS' modifies the actual pattern data based on the
current FTS scale.

No FTS enabled in global mode is really FTS with a scale that includes all
notes. So if you apply FTS with no FTS enabled, the pattern will only
include any note.

Cheers,
Colin f



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Hi;

IAs I have already filled banks 1 to 6 ,I went to the 7th but it is acting 
very strange,first,tempo can go max to 70 bpm,pattern 1th plays all the 
time,impossible to select 16th as time base and some more crazy things also 
in all the banks from 7th to 12th.

What is happening?  Can be my selction of pattern conf, there are three ways 
that I remeber...

Another queston,as I asked before... How can playlists and tracks be deleted 
without deleting existing patterns?

Thanks;

Hans

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> IAs I have already filled banks 1 to 6 ,I went to the 7th but 
> it is acting 
> very strange,first,tempo can go max to 70 bpm,pattern 1th 
> plays all the 
> time,impossible to select 16th as time base and some more 
> crazy things also 
> in all the banks from 7th to 12th.

As Paul said, try a bank init.
If it does weird stuff after that, it could be a memory problem.

> Another queston,as I asked before... How can playlists and 
> tracks be deleted 
> without deleting existing patterns?

I had thought the bank init on active tracks maybe only cleared the patterns
on inactive tracks, but did clear playlists but this is not the case,
playlists get cleared too.
I'll look at how much space it would take to put in a new bank init with
more control (i.e. init active/all/patterns/playlists)

Cheers,
Colin f

On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 08:04:35 +0100, "Hans Greuber"
<turbotron69@hotmail.com> wrote:

>IAs I have already filled banks 1 to 6 ,I went to the 7th but it is acting 
>very strange,first,tempo can go max to 70 bpm,pattern 1th plays all the 
>time,impossible to select 16th as time base and some more crazy things also 
>in all the banks from 7th to 12th.

Have you tried initialising a bank and then checking its behaviour? 

>What is happening?  Can be my selction of pattern conf, there are three ways 
>that I remeber...

Sorry Hans, I don't understand that sentence.

>Another queston,as I asked before... How can playlists and tracks be deleted 
>without deleting existing patterns?

What is it you're trying to do? A track always has a playlist even if
it's only one step long. You know how to set playlist length, yes? If
you don't want a track active, make it inactive; you can't "delete" it
as such. 

Perhaps if you explained a little more I could help. But starting from
an initialised bank is the best way to know exactly where you are. 

Paul

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> Yesterday something strange happened.....
> We were jamming along and all went fine. We programmed some 
> tracks, few 
> playlists and one cc but that's about it.
> After a five minute brake we pressed play and...
> All hell broke loose. A track playing my JD-800 changed pitch all the 
> time, the sequence the virus was playing looked like it was grabbing 
> some events from somewhere, some parts got muted from time to time....
> Kind of nice though after turning up the tempo a bit.
> Anyway, after checking I noticed all kinds of aux events were 
> selected, 
> in all the parts we created. I didn't check on the ones we 
> didn't use. I 
> can't seem to remember me putting those events in there?
> I think my P3 got a mind of it's own.
> 
> So, what did I do wrong?

That sounds more like a hardware problem to me - something causing the
memory to get corrupted.
Was only the one bank affected, or did others go weird too ?

Cheers,
Colin f

Yesterday something strange happened.....
We were jamming along and all went fine. We programmed some tracks, few 
playlists and one cc but that's about it.
After a five minute brake we pressed play and...
All hell broke loose. A track playing my JD-800 changed pitch all the 
time, the sequence the virus was playing looked like it was grabbing 
some events from somewhere, some parts got muted from time to time....
Kind of nice though after turning up the tempo a bit.
Anyway, after checking I noticed all kinds of aux events were selected, 
in all the parts we created. I didn't check on the ones we didn't use. I 
can't seem to remember me putting those events in there?
I think my P3 got a mind of it's own.

So, what did I do wrong?

I'm going to jam a little more now to see if this is repetitive behavior 
or not ;-)
I erased the bank yesterday (didn't back-up though) and all seemed OK.
Nothing connection to midi In.
Did I mention that I'm a new P3 user and that I still got to read the 
part of the aux events.

Cheers,
Tom

On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 20:40:36 +0100, Tom Adam <tom.adam@pandora.be>
wrote:

>Did I mention that I'm a new P3 user and that I still got to read the 
>part of the aux events.

A big, fun adventure is ahead....

One thing you might look at is whether your User Config switches on
events as you turn the knobs. So just touching them can activate
things - great for CCs, not so good for the weird stuff. 

Just a thought, 

Paul
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> > That sounds more like a hardware problem to me - something 
> causing the
> > memory to get corrupted.
> > Was only the one bank affected, or did others go weird too ?
> >

> No... Playing with them now....

Did you initialise the memory when you first powered your P3 up ?
Just wondering if there might have been random stuff in there that didn't
get deleted...

One point worth noting if it does turn out to be a hardware problem - the P3
pattern data amounts to 48k of RAM.
The notes, velocities, length, delay and gate/tie/skip/X bits are all held
in the lower half, and the auxes in the upper half of the 48k.
The physical memory is divided between two 32k RAM chips, so all 24k of the
note data is held in one chip, and there's an 8k/16k split of the aux data
between the two RAM chips. So if you had a problem with one RAM chip, it
could affect aux data without causing a problem with any of the notes. Was
the underlying note data OK after your incident, with just the auxes
affected ?
I'd take a regular sysex backup for a while, so you could compare the
contents of memory if there is more weirdness.

Cheers,
Colin f

Colin f wrote:

> That sounds more like a hardware problem to me - something causing the
> memory to get corrupted.
> Was only the one bank affected, or did others go weird too ?
>
> Cheers,
> Colin f
>
No... Playing with them now....

Tom

> Did you initialise the memory when you first powered your P3 up ?

Yes.

> One point worth noting if it does turn out to be a hardware problem - 
> the P3
> pattern data amounts to 48k of RAM.

My dump is 82k

> Was the underlying note data OK after your incident, with just the auxes
> affected ?

Only the auxes were affected. And maybe the pitches, but this could have 
been the auxes right?

> I'd take a regular sysex backup for a while, so you could compare the
> contents of memory if there is more weirdness.

Will do. Thanks Colin.

Cheers,
Tom

... stopped automatically at the end of the sequence length. By this I
mean in a new mode, one would hit RUN and it plays away, but if you then
hit STOP the P3 will continue until the defined end step and then stops.
Currently, of course, it stops the moment you hit STOP.

Why? Well, I'd like to be able to sample a single or double sequence
into a sampler for looping and stopping it at the end of the sixteenth
note is quite tricky at 140bpm...

Tony

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hi Tony,

> Why? Well, I'd like to be able to sample a single or double sequence
> into a sampler for looping and stopping it at the end of the 
> sixteenth note is quite tricky at 140bpm...

the way i sample single sequences from the P3 is to hit play and then 
immediately hit the key that switches to an empty or fully muted part 
at the end of the currently playing one. works okay for me...

grtz Chiel

ch.³l wrote:
> hi Tony,
>
>> Why? Well, I'd like to be able to sample a single or double sequence
>> into a sampler for looping and stopping it at the end of the
>> sixteenth note is quite tricky at 140bpm...
>
> the way i sample single sequences from the P3 is to hit play and then
> immediately hit the key that switches to an empty or fully muted part
> at the end of the currently playing one. works okay for me...

Or record and edit in a stereo editor on the computer, then load the loop in
your sampler.

Gert
www.waveworld.tv

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 11:28:37 -0000, ch.³l <oozi@oozi.demon.nl> wrote:

>the way i sample single sequences from the P3 is to hit play and then 
>immediately hit the key that switches to an empty or fully muted part 
>at the end of the currently playing one. works okay for me...

Would be cool to have a "one-shot" play mode though. You could use it
to end songs and be sure they end on the right note. 

It would be really ace if there were a one-shot mode that *sustained*
the last note until you hit STOP a second time. So you could have a
big bass note from your sequence sustaining until you whacked a large
cymbal or gong or something.

And with all this free space in the OS to play with... I have other
ideas too, such as having the last pass run at half tempo maybe before
my big sustain....

etc.

8-)

Paul
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> the way i sample single sequences from the P3 is to hit play and then
immediately hit the key that switches to an empty or fully muted part
...

An excellent idea. Thank you. This is what I'll do. Glad to hear I'm not
the only one doing this sampling loops bit.

> Or record and edit in a stereo editor on the computer, then load the
loop in your sampler.

Its all recorded onto the editor first anyway since my sampler has no
audio front end (Reason's NN-XT). But if I, and I often do, have effects
as part of the sequence, any reverb/echo tails would be cut off if I
performed any audio edits to restrict the length.

Tony

On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, Paul Nagle wrote:

> It would be really ace if there were a one-shot mode that *sustained*
> the last note until you hit STOP a second time. So you could have a
> big bass note from your sequence sustaining until you whacked a large
> cymbal or gong or something.

i totally agree... i used to do this with my er-1 running a mobius, and
the mobius sending midi to my nord modular... depending on when i hit stop
on the er-1, sometimes the patch on the nord would keep sustaining. go to
my iuma site and listen to the track "bloodwire." at first it annoyed me,
but then i got to really dig it...

bleep.
out.

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Tony,

> ... stopped automatically at the end of the sequence length. By this I
> mean in a new mode, one would hit RUN and it plays away, but if you then
> hit STOP the P3 will continue until the defined end step and then stops.
> Currently, of course, it stops the moment you hit STOP.

Nice idea... I'd like that.

Paul

Hi;

Does anyone have a SAM 16 so we can campare side by side with the P3?

http://www.s-n-d.com/sam16e.html

Hans

OK gang, here's one I just enjoyed doing that you might like. It took
me twenty minutes to set up but much of that may have been down to a
lengthy fascination with some flashing lights that seemed especially
nice.

But I digress....

First I set up three pairs of tracks that I think will work well with
their data swapped around (i.e. one track's notes played on another
track's MIDI output). 
Then I set up the following pairs 7/2, 3/5, 8/1

Example of how I did each pair:
Track 7 
Aux A - offset Aux D on step one, small value
Aux B - MaskC n>dAcc on all steps but with the value set on each step
gradually getting higher. This means the change will be gradual
Aux C - Swap ALL trk 2 - enable these events on each step, each set to
track 2

The main thing to set next is the Aux D accumulator limit - make it
the full range and reverse it when it gets there.
Track 2 just had a sequence that worked with either sound, not much
else.

I did similar things with each pair of tracks, maybe fooling with the
values of each step so the mask events happened in different orders or
for different durations. 
Then I set up parts 1-6 to each to have a different combination of the
paired tracks plus one other track - one of the sources for swapping -
active. In Part 6 I created a pattern in an unused track that was an
Aux for "Switch to Part 8". There's a reason for this.
In Part 8 I created a pattern on the final unused track that contains
events that mute and unmute other tracks, To do this I used two auxes
and made sure the tracks I muted and unmuted did not include this
track, of course.

Stop yawning at the back there! 8)

I also made sure there were more unmute events than mute events. And
had the mutes on one set of steps, the unmutes on another (and more of
them). This is just so there would be more chance one or more tracks
would be playing. I set the direction to random and the tbase to 1.
Cunningly I added extra spice by having an aux that altered tbase and
used the final aux to vary its value so it was effectively going from
1 to 8 at most (I think). So there could be quick mutes and unmutes
happeningnow and again.

Finally I hit part 1 and part 6 so they would play in series. Each
part had 32 repetitions to allow all the track data swap stuff to
occur. The track active after each part switch will maintain
continuity. Such a planner eh? Where was I? Right, when the play gets
to part 6 it switches to part 8 - effectively taking the P3 out of the
consecutive part play mode. From there on part 8 loops around and
randomly mutes and unmutes tracks. As it does so it can end up with
combinations of tracks that perform swaps or it may just end up with
unmatched pairs for a while that don't change until the next mute.

There may be some things still to iron out and refine but it's a cool
start. 

I hope that made sense. It's bloody cool anyway. Like a composition
but with enough elements introduced in ways that surprise me. If it
doesn't make sense I could upload the bank... can I send individual
banks?

Paul
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Hey gang,

just in case my ravings didn't make any sense on Friday, I uploaded an
audio example of this kind of "composition" using the P3. 

The only thing I touched during this recording is the synced-up
Electribe - everything else is done by the P3 making all the tweaks
and pre-programmed changes. I know it's kinda long and tedious (about
8Mb I think) but sometimes I just can't stop... 8)

http://deepbass.demon.co.uk:81/Paul/mp3/

File: P3_Stoned40a.mp3

Perhaps what I was going on about makes a little more sense now. Well,
perhaps...

Paul
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