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P3 + effects

2005-10-14 by tmoravan

This may be old news to MIDI veterans, but it was a fun morning for me.

I ran a MIDI cable between one of the P3 outputs and my old Lexicon PCM 
70.  The PCM 70 gives you 10 MIDI patch slots per program.  You can use 
most MIDI data (except absolute note number) to modulate any of the 
parameters in the patch.

So, as a test, I set up an aux to send MIDI CC #1 values to the PCM 70 
and routed those to modulate the delay tap levels.  This way, I could 
introduce delay on any step, for as many steps as I wanted.  Worked 
very nicely.

Expand that to multiple MIDI events and then start doing some random 
masking of those events and you can get some very cool stuff happening.

Lexicon and Eventide (among others) seem to provide fairly extensive 
MIDI control over their effects parameters.  Take a look through your 
effects manuals and have a go at it.

Re: [analogue-sequencer] P3 + effects

2005-10-14 by Atom Smasher

On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, tmoravan wrote:

> Lexicon and Eventide (among others) seem to provide fairly extensive 
> MIDI control over their effects parameters.  Take a look through your 
> effects manuals and have a go at it.
====================

the TC rack gear (m-one, d-two, g-major, etc) is also well suited to this 
kind of tweaking.


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Re: P3 + effects

2005-10-14 by philsmillie

> the TC rack gear (m-one, d-two, g-major, etc) is also well suited 
to > this kind of tweaking.

 
But don't forget Tempo clock issues with these units.
I use a G-major - and I believe the D-Two uses the same "Delay 
block" -
and discovered that tempo cannot be set to all tempo's, I can have, 
e.g. 94.04 bpm or 93.09 bpm but not 94bpm exactly!
I ran through this with TC (their UK demonstrator was astonished when 
I pointed it out to him) and got the usual "cpu clocking" excuse and 
seemed suprised when I complained.
They figured that the difference would only be "1/X" of a beat behind 
after "Y" bars... but when using the, admitedly very clean delays on 
long feedback times they run out of sync! Annoying!
TC told me to use midi clock sync.. this is no better and the unit 
throws a wobbler if you peek at the current tempo! Oops... reboot!
Having said all that...it sounds great!
Been meaning to try the higher spec TC units to see if they do the 
same, I'd be dissapointed if they did!
Regards, 
Phil

Re: [analogue-sequencer] Re: P3 + effects

2005-10-14 by Atom Smasher

On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, philsmillie wrote:

> But don't forget Tempo clock issues with these units.
> I use a G-major - and I believe the D-Two uses the same "Delay
> block" -
> and discovered that tempo cannot be set to all tempo's, I can have,
> e.g. 94.04 bpm or 93.09 bpm but not 94bpm exactly!
==================

i've never owned any TC gear, but a friend wanted me to demonstrate what 
could be done with a PC-1600x, using his TC gear as a target. i was 
impressed with how easy the TC gear was to control... no sysex, (N)RPNs, 
etc... everything was just CCs, IIRC.

anyway, if the P3 can tweak the effect boxes, don't limit yourself to just 
adjusting the delay time... there's feedback levels, distortions, LFO 
speeds, etc that most modern effect boxes can handle via midi CC messages.


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Re: P3 + effects

2005-10-15 by tmoravan

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Atom Smasher <atom@s...> 
wrote:
>
> anyway, if the P3 can tweak the effect boxes, don't limit yourself to 
just 
> adjusting the delay time... there's feedback levels, distortions, LFO 
> speeds, etc that most modern effect boxes can handle via midi CC 
messages.
> 
> 
> -- 
>          ...atom

Right - I was just giving a simple example that's easy to hear to get 
started.  One thing to keep in mind is that you're spitting out a 
discrete value at each step, so modulating values that work well as 
discrete values (levels, amount of x, effect on/off0 are easiest to 
deal with.

Re: [analogue-sequencer] P3 + effects

2005-10-18 by Paul Nagle

tmoravan wrote:

>Lexicon and Eventide (among others) seem to provide fairly extensive 
>MIDI control over their effects parameters.  Take a look through your 
>effects manuals and have a go at it.
>  
>
The Electrix stuff is ace - the Repeater combined with P3 is awesome as 
you can do all its functions via MIDI CCs including transpose etc.

Paul

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