Analogue-sequencer

I'm currently wondering whether I've stumbled across a bug (I'm on Beta 
39) or a misunderstanding on my part. Can anybody enlighten me?

Here's what I want to do:

I've created a part 2 that I want to duplicate to part 3. I'm in play 
mode. I use part-copy all from play mode -> hold down F2 and select part 
3 as target. Part 2 and 3 are now identical. Everything is fine so far.

Now I'm trying to edit a track in part 3 - I want to create a variation 
of what is in part 2. Now whatever I edit is applied to both part 2 and 
part 3 -> in other words, it seems as if part copy doesn't actually copy 
the tracks, but simply sets a pointer to the data from track 2. Why is that?

What's the proper way to copy a part so I can create a variation of it?

Bye
Martin

> Ok, I think I get it now. I was missing the crucial 
> distinction between 
> *pattern* and part. Until now, I used them interchangeably.

An initialised bank has each part holding a single step playlist for each
track, with the same pattern number as the part number.
That's just to make life easier if you only want to use them that way, you
can avoid any playlist editing.
But this can make it seem like the parts are just groups of patterns.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

Martin Naef wrote:

>Now I'm trying to edit a track in part 3 - I want to create a variation 
>of what is in part 2. Now whatever I edit is applied to both part 2 and 
>part 3 -> in other words, it seems as if part copy doesn't actually copy 
>the tracks, but simply sets a pointer to the data from track 2. Why is that?
>  
>
Because the part does not contain any data except track, playlist, 
transpose, FTS etc. settings. Each track still has as many patterns as 
it has, put in whatever order the playlist deems. If you are in 6 bank 
mode you have 8 patterns in each track to play with, which is quite a 
lot.. :)

>What's the proper way to copy a part so I can create a variation of it?
>  
>
Do you mean copy a pattern? I tend to do this from playlist edit. Func 
and the track button - then you can see which patterns run in which 
order - the playlist. From there I tend to edit patterns - so might edit 
pattern1, save the results to pattern 2,edit pattern2 save the results 
to pattern 3 and so on. When you've created a selection of different 
patterns, string them together by holding down the range of pattern 
buttons. Lovely innit?

If you want to control pattern selection via Parts, first create a 
playlist of the pattern(s) you want. Perhaps just one. Next copy the 
part and in the new part perform your Func+Track to access the playlist. 
Select a different pattern and save. Now selecting each part picks a 
different playlist - pointing to different patterns - so perhaps what 
you needed? And you can do this with the full range of patterns each 
track has so if you want complex.... :)

Paul

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Hi Paul

Paul Nagle wrote:
>> Now I'm trying to edit a track in part 3 - I want to create a variation 
>> of what is in part 2. Now whatever I edit is applied to both part 2 and 
>> part 3 -> in other words, it seems as if part copy doesn't actually copy 
>> the tracks, but simply sets a pointer to the data from track 2. Why is that?
>>
> Because the part does not contain any data except track, playlist, 
> transpose, FTS etc. settings. Each track still has as many patterns as 
> it has, put in whatever order the playlist deems. If you are in 6 bank 
> mode you have 8 patterns in each track to play with, which is quite a 
> lot.. :)

Ok, I think I get it now. I was missing the crucial distinction between 
*pattern* and part. Until now, I used them interchangeably.

>> What's the proper way to copy a part so I can create a variation of it?
> Do you mean copy a pattern? I tend to do this from playlist edit. Func 
> and the track button - then you can see which patterns run in which 
> order - the playlist. From there I tend to edit patterns - so might edit 
> pattern1, save the results to pattern 2,edit pattern2 save the results 
> to pattern 3 and so on. When you've created a selection of different 
> patterns, string them together by holding down the range of pattern 
> buttons. Lovely innit?

Yup - lovely, once you get it. I *think* I do now. Thanks for the 
explanation, I now know what part of the manual I have to read again.

Bye
Martin

Martin Naef wrote:

>
>Ok, I think I get it now. I was missing the crucial distinction between 
>*pattern* and part. Until now, I used them interchangeably.
>  
>
Yeah, a pattern is the 16-step "sequence" of conventional step 
sequencers and you string them together in playlists.Parts are 
collections of tracks with all tracks' on/off status and playlists 
stored uniquely per part.

>Yup - lovely, once you get it. I *think* I do now. Thanks for the 
>explanation, I now know what part of the manual I have to read again.
>  
>
I must say I used to think playlists were a sorta clunky way of working, 
when I first saw the P3. Since then I have used them more and more, and 
find them great when working live. One trick, to make things more 
interesting or complex, is to record into each pattern separately then, 
while the music plays, build a new playlist with different repeats and 
transposes, using the knobs. You can either change the playlist length 
at the end when complete or as you add each step (pattern).

One day we'll do a video about all this stuff. Honist.

Paul

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Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music / Bogus Focus Records / Binar / Headshock / The Joint Intelligence Committee
        www.softroom.co.uk / www.BogusFocus.com / www.JointIntelligenceCommittee.com 
** New JIC Live CD available at the BogusFocus site now!! **

hello guys and girls!
 1:can one sequensers clock res. be controlled by another sequenser?
 
 2:can induvidual events be moved tiny bits to make more lively/groovy pattern(for drums etc)?
 
 i had a couple of doepfer mac16-3 sequensers, but got tired of them becurse there were now buttons for notes on/off, or any buttons for that matter, BUT they had the ability to be controlled by another sequenser/pattern...like you could have one pattern(row of sequneser) controlling the clock resolution of the other! great for rythmics!
 
 if not..what else does this baby got in here sleeves??
 peace from stockholm sweden
 
 ps..anyone been working with this sequenser??
 http://www.signalarts.ca/satspecs.html
 
		
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>  1:can one sequensers clock res. be controlled by another sequenser?

One track can dynamically control the timebase of another track. Is that
what you meant ?
  
>  2:can induvidual events be moved tiny bits to make more 
> lively/groovy pattern(for drums etc)?

Yes. Each step has a gate delay, from 0 to 11 clock ticks (48 ppqn
resolution).

>  i had a couple of doepfer mac16-3 sequensers, but got tired 
> of them becurse there were now buttons for notes on/off, or 
> any buttons for that matter, BUT they had the ability to be 
> controlled by another sequenser/pattern...like you could have 
> one pattern(row of sequneser) controlling the clock 
> resolution of the other! great for rythmics!

Interaction between different patterns is a P3 speciality.
  
Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

On 31 Jan 2006, at 17:12, peter sedin wrote:

>  ps..anyone been working with this sequenser??
>  http://www.signalarts.ca/satspecs.html

I see it has infinite encoders...

	-- N.


   nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http:// 
www.cassiel.com

Nick Rothwell wrote:

>On 31 Jan 2006, at 17:12, peter sedin wrote:
>
>  
>
>> ps..anyone been working with this sequenser??
>> http://www.signalarts.ca/satspecs.html
>>    
>>
>
>I see it has infinite encoders...
>  
>
Isn't it a little early to tell?
:)

I see a useful list of scales for P3 owners to try out <g>

Paul

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Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music / Bogus Focus Records / Binar / Headshock / The Joint Intelligence Committee
        www.softroom.co.uk / www.BogusFocus.com / www.JointIntelligenceCommittee.com 
** New JIC Live CD available at the BogusFocus site now!! **

Hi colin,
any posibility for a copy all defined 'aux events' from one track to  
others ?
I recently discovered the playlist feature and lately use with 4bar  
long sequences (chained tracks) then I copy 1st part to other parts  
and let them run chained as well -
but when i start to create any aux events it's a lot of manual  
setting required
to match them in the playlist, so any nifty feature to copy over aux  
settings would be a real valuable improvement.

cheers,
henry

Am 29.01.2006 um 20:43 schrieb Colin f:

>
> > Ok, I think I get it now. I was missing the crucial
> > distinction between
> > *pattern* and part. Until now, I used them interchangeably.
>
> An initialised bank has each part holding a single step playlist  
> for each
> track, with the same pattern number as the part number.
> That's just to make life easier if you only want to use them that  
> way, you
> can avoid any playlist editing.
> But this can make it seem like the parts are just groups of patterns.
>
> Best regards,
> Colin Fraser
> Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
> http://www.sequentix.com
>
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> any posibility for a copy all defined 'aux events' from one track to  
> others ?

You can use copy/paste to do this - if you copy any steps of a pattern, the
aux config also gets copied to the copy buffer.
When you come to paste it, press 'paste', then press the 'select' softkey
until the display shows 'Paste auxcf', then press any step key - this will
paste only the aux config.
Copying the current pattern to all other patterns in the playlist, or track,
are likely to appear as 'quick config' options, which will be a slicker way
of doing this for multiple patterns.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

Am 02.02.2006 um 09:05 schrieb Colin f:

>
> > any posibility for a copy all defined 'aux events' from one track to
> > others ?
>
> You can use copy/paste to do this - if you copy any steps of a  
> pattern, the
> aux config also gets copied to the copy buffer.
> When you come to paste it, press 'paste', then press the 'select'  
> softkey
> until the display shows 'Paste auxcf', then press any step key -  
> this will
> paste only the aux config.

thanks I didn't know thats working this way

> Copying the current pattern to all other patterns in the playlist,  
> or track,
> are likely to appear as 'quick config' options, which will be a  
> slicker way
> of doing this for multiple patterns.

very cool
>
> Best regards,
> Colin Fraser
> Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
> http://www.sequentix.com



cheers,
henry



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