Analogue-sequencer

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, sascha.matzke@... wrote:
>
> Hi,
> 
> maybe I'm just to dumb to read the manual properly, but until now I 
haven't
> found a way to alter the starting point of a part.
> 
> This is what I would want to do.
> 
> I have a short sequence which uses the "alternate" direction mode. 
Now when
> I start the sequence I want it to begin at step 4 instead of step 1. 

(without a manual or P3 in front of me) -- how about just making steps 
1-3 skipped (using the Step mode button)?

Hi,

maybe I'm just to dumb to read the manual properly, but until now I haven't
found a way to alter the starting point of a part.

This is what I would want to do.

I have a short sequence which uses the "alternate" direction mode. Now when
I start the sequence I want it to begin at step 4 instead of step 1. It's
the only way the sequence would make sense in my track. Until now I've
recorded the sequence to Ableton Live and changed the starting point there,
but as I'm not really a computer person (when making music or noise ;-)) it
would be much better if I could alter the starting point directly in the P3.

Does that make sense to anybody?

Sascha


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> I have a short sequence which uses the "alternate" direction 
> mode. Now when
> I start the sequence I want it to begin at step 4 instead of 
> step 1. It's
> the only way the sequence would make sense in my track. Until now I've
> recorded the sequence to Ableton Live and changed the 
> starting point there,
> but as I'm not really a computer person (when making music or 
> noise ;-)) it
> would be much better if I could alter the starting point 
> directly in the P3.

There are different things you could be doing here, but I'll assume the
simplest case.
If you use the pattern shift function to rotate the pattern 3 steps to the
left, step 4 will become the first step of the pattern.

If it's more complex than that - i.e. you are using alternate direction,
want to start at step 4, run to step 16, play step 16 back to step 1, then
step 1 back to 16 and so on, that's a different question...

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

sascha.matzke@gmail.com wrote:
> I have a short sequence which uses the "alternate" direction mode. Now when
> I start the sequence I want it to begin at step 4 instead of step 1. It's
> the only way the sequence would make sense in my track. Until now I've
> recorded the sequence to Ableton Live and changed the starting point there,
> but as I'm not really a computer person (when making music or noise ;-)) it
> would be much better if I could alter the starting point directly in the P3.
>   
I may have the wrong type of brain for this. My first idea was to use an 
accumulator mute of the first three steps then add to the accumulator 
and set its behaviour to max out and stay maxed - so in effect the 
muting only happens on the first play through. I use accumulators quite 
a lot for one-off or toggle-type functions where I want something to 
happen once or a few times then change, forever.

Possibly not quite what you needed though...?

Paul

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www.softroom.co.uk / www.JointIntelligenceCommittee.com

Hi,

On 5/17/06, tmoravan <tom@synthservices.com> wrote:
>
>
> (without a manual or P3 in front of me) -- how about just making steps
> 1-3 skipped (using the Step mode button)?


I don't want to skip them (ok, I do but only on "start"). I would like to
have something like a "first" function which is only in effect when the part
is started.

Sascha


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Hi,

On 5/17/06, Paul Nagle <softroom@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> I may have the wrong type of brain for this. My first idea was to use an
> accumulator mute of the first three steps then add to the accumulator
> and set its behaviour to max out and stay maxed - so in effect the
> muting only happens on the first play through. I use accumulators quite
> a lot for one-off or toggle-type functions where I want something to
> happen once or a few times then change, forever.


I think I give it a try - right after I got the concept of those
accumulators ;-).

Is it possible to skip steps using an accumulator?

Thanks for the hint,

Sascha


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sascha.matzke@gmail.com wrote:
> Is it possible to skip steps using an accumulator?
>   
No, but you can mute based on an accumulator value. I think there was 
talk of a means of setting next step via an aux event but for your needs 
here, Colin's rotate suggestion seems pretty good. Or you could Skip the 
steps then get into pattern edit, ready to unskip them when you hit 
"Run" and pass step 4. Or if there are specific notes you want to start 
with that are different to the rest of the sequence there are ways to 
grab them from elsewhere, or unmute "Set Note" events based on an 
accumulator etc.

There's usually a way - perhaps if you explained it from a musical 
stance I'd understand better.

Another thought:
You could use two different patterns - a 'starting' pattern and a 'loop' 
pattern. Then you could specify a playlist in part1 that selected the 
first pattern and a different playlist in part 2 selecting the second. 
Hold  the part 1 and part 2 keys so part 2 plays as soon as part 1 ends, 
then, as soon as part 2 starts, hit the part2 key to deselect part1. 
This is how I'd do "intros".
I reckon a "one shot part chain" future enhancement could be cool, so it 
starts at the first selected part and ends by looping on the last in the 
chain. That would let you do such things automatically. Maybe holding 
Func when setting up the part chain would be a good way to specify this 
behaviour?
Idle thoughts...

P

Paul
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www.softroom.co.uk / www.JointIntelligenceCommittee.com

> I reckon a "one shot part chain" future enhancement could be cool, so 
it 
> starts at the first selected part and ends by looping on the last in 
the 
> chain. That would let you do such things automatically. Maybe holding 
> Func when setting up the part chain would be a good way to specify 
this 
> behaviour?
> Idle thoughts...

Being able to define more than 1 part to loop,instead of just the last 
one would be ideal.For example,you could have a chain that starts at 
the first selected part and then loops the last 4.

Laters
Mitch

> I would tend to do this as a performance thing personally but if there
> is a need to prepare something complex like that, you can always
> select part chain length using aux events. So you could then use knob
> mask events to prepare this in advance then turn a knob to reveal the
> part/part chain settings you want. 

Hmmm.Looks like I'll need to investigate this a bit more.
Having stuff like this prepared would still be handy,so I can be 
tweaking other stuff while this is going on.

Thanks for the tip.

Mitch

On Thu, 18 May 2006 06:29:29 -0000, "acidmitch" <acidmitch@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Being able to define more than 1 part to loop,instead of just the last 
>one would be ideal.For example,you could have a chain that starts at 
>the first selected part and then loops the last 4.

I would tend to do this as a performance thing personally but if there
is a need to prepare something complex like that, you can always
select part chain length using aux events. So you could then use knob
mask events to prepare this in advance then turn a knob to reveal the
part/part chain settings you want. 

Paul
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Paul Nagle - Joint Intelligence Committee - www.JointIntelligenceCommittee.com
                           SoftRoom Music - www.softroom.co.uk