Analogue-sequencer

Hi,
   Can anybody else replicate this bug.
Here are my steps.

1) Select  Bank
2) Bank Init that Bank
3) Select a Track (in my case it's Track 2)
4) Edit the Track and Add some notes
5) Hit the "Page" button until you can select Direction
6) Select "Random" direction
7) Instead of playing Random steps, it will play just Step 16.


I'm using Beta 17 of v4

Thanks,
Dave

I'm 'out of the office'.
Will check this on my return.

Cheers,
Colin f

> -----Original Message-----
> From: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DB
> Sent: 23 May 2007 22:39
> To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [analogue-sequencer] Possible v4 Bug? Random 
> Direction just repeats step 16 over and over
> 
> Hi,
>    Can anybody else replicate this bug.
> Here are my steps.
> 
> 1) Select  Bank
> 2) Bank Init that Bank
> 3) Select a Track (in my case it's Track 2)
> 4) Edit the Track and Add some notes
> 5) Hit the "Page" button until you can select Direction
> 6) Select "Random" direction
> 7) Instead of playing Random steps, it will play just Step 16.
> 
> 
> I'm using Beta 17 of v4
> 
> Thanks,
> Dave
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
>

Hi Dave,

I can't replicate the bug on my P3.

strange..



--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Colin f" <colin@...> wrote:

>
> I'm 'out of the office'.
> Will check this on my return.
> 
> Cheers,
> Colin f
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com 
> > [mailto:analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DB
> > Sent: 23 May 2007 22:39
> > To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [analogue-sequencer] Possible v4 Bug? Random 
> > Direction just repeats step 16 over and over
> > 
> > Hi,
> >    Can anybody else replicate this bug.
> > Here are my steps.
> > 
> > 1) Select  Bank
> > 2) Bank Init that Bank
> > 3) Select a Track (in my case it's Track 2)
> > 4) Edit the Track and Add some notes
> > 5) Hit the "Page" button until you can select Direction
> > 6) Select "Random" direction
> > 7) Instead of playing Random steps, it will play just Step 16.
> > 
> > 
> > I'm using Beta 17 of v4
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Dave
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> >
>

Thanks for trying Jerome.   Maybe I'll try reloading the OS and
re-initializing the memory again. I'll follow back up after trying
that.


Thanks,
Dave


jeromepacman wrote:

> 
> 
> Hi Dave,
> 
> I can't replicate the bug on my P3.
> 
> strange..
> 
> --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:analogue-sequencer%40yahoogroups.com>, "Colin f" <colin@...> wrote:
>  >
>  > I'm 'out of the office'.
>  > Will check this on my return.
>  >
>  > Cheers,
>  > Colin f
>  >
>  > > -----Original Message-----
>  > > From: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:analogue-sequencer%40yahoogroups.com>
>  > > [mailto:analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:analogue-sequencer%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of DB
>  > > Sent: 23 May 2007 22:39
>  > > To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:analogue-sequencer%40yahoogroups.com>
>  > > Subject: [analogue-sequencer] Possible v4 Bug? Random
>  > > Direction just repeats step 16 over and over
>  > >
>  > > Hi,
>  > > Can anybody else replicate this bug.
>  > > Here are my steps.
>  > >
>  > > 1) Select Bank
>  > > 2) Bank Init that Bank
>  > > 3) Select a Track (in my case it's Track 2)
>  > > 4) Edit the Track and Add some notes
>  > > 5) Hit the "Page" button until you can select Direction
>  > > 6) Select "Random" direction
>  > > 7) Instead of playing Random steps, it will play just Step 16.
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > I'm using Beta 17 of v4
>  > >
>  > > Thanks,
>  > > Dave
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > Yahoo! Groups Links
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >

dave- did you init the whole machine aswell as the bank? I can't
replicate this either.

duncan.

Duncan,
   Yes, I had done the whole machine with the F1 + 7 combo at Startup. 
And then pressing F1 + F2 together.

  I went ahead and reloaded the OS
v4 b17 and re-inited the entire memory.  But I'm still getting the
same behaviour :(

Not sure if it's anything specific to my machine
or not, but it is a Production version.   v4 b17, I loaded via the
midi file, so I think I'm going to fire up the old PC and try just
the sysex file.  If that doesn't work. I'll try v16 and verify that
it changes the behaviour and then try v17 again.

I'll follow back up with the results.


Dave


duncan wrote:

> 
> 
> dave- did you init the whole machine aswell as the bank? I can't
> replicate this either.
> 
> duncan.
>

DB wrote:

> Not sure if it's anything specific to my machine
> or not, but it is a Production version.   v4 b17, I loaded via the
> midi file, so I think I'm going to fire up the old PC and try just
> the sysex file.  If that doesn't work. I'll try v16 and verify that
> it changes the behaviour and then try v17 again.

I'm a little further ahead than that version and not seeing this 
behaviour. However, I think there *are* some issues with direction and 
as Colin is back from his hols soon, it's probably best to let him take 
a look before getting too bogged down.

-- 
Paul
---
"Effectus super absolutionem"
http://www.JointIntelligenceCommittee.com
http://www.myspace.com/jointintelligencecommittee

Hi Paul,
    Thanks for the update.  There's no real hurry on it, it was just 
something that I was noticing, this particular song doesn't HAVE to
have Radmon direction :)  Just wanted to point it out, so that Colin
was aware of it if he wasn't.

I went ahead and loaded up OS v4 b13 and verified that the Random
worked great with no issues.  I then went and reloaded back in
v4 b17 (a fresh download) and received the same behaviour of it just
repeating step 16.

Also in my testing, I've noticed that Brownian, looks like it's just 
playing forward, and eitherway looks the same.  So here are the
3 issues I've seen so far, all in regards to direction:

1) Random repeats only step 16
2) Brownian is actually going just "forward"
3) Eitherway is actually just going "forward".

Now the troubleshooting done, since I'm not going to the DEMF (Detroit 
Electronic Music Festival) this year, I can spend the weekend making
some music.  Something that I haven't been able to do for a couple
of months, because of all the joys of buying a house.


Dave


Paul Nagle wrote:

> 
> 
> DB wrote:
> 
>  > Not sure if it's anything specific to my machine
>  > or not, but it is a Production version. v4 b17, I loaded via the
>  > midi file, so I think I'm going to fire up the old PC and try just
>  > the sysex file. If that doesn't work. I'll try v16 and verify that
>  > it changes the behaviour and then try v17 again.
> 
> I'm a little further ahead than that version and not seeing this
> behaviour. However, I think there *are* some issues with direction and
> as Colin is back from his hols soon, it's probably best to let him take
> a look before getting too bogged down.
> 
> -- 
> Paul
> ---
> "Effectus super absolutionem"
> http://www.JointIntelligenceCommittee.com 
> <http://www.JointIntelligenceCommittee.com>
> http://www.myspace.com/jointintelligencecommittee 
> <http://www.myspace.com/jointintelligencecommittee>
> 
>

> I went ahead and loaded up OS v4 b13 and verified that the Random
> worked great with no issues.  I then went and reloaded back in
> v4 b17 (a fresh download) and received the same behaviour of it just
> repeating step 16.
> 
> Also in my testing, I've noticed that Brownian, looks like it's just 
> playing forward, and eitherway looks the same.  So here are the
> 3 issues I've seen so far, all in regards to direction:
> 
> 1) Random repeats only step 16
> 2) Brownian is actually going just "forward"
> 3) Eitherway is actually just going "forward".

I've found the source of these problems - a temporary variable that was
being used for something else was being re-used for the random directions.
I'll post a fixed build shortly, once I've decided on a more logical
ordering of edit mode pages.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

Hey gang

pottering with version 4 this afternoon and a Korg ESX-1 electribe. Most 
synth sounds from the Radias with some Virus, Freebass and Proteus too. 
I am very stoned and love you all.

http://www.bogusfocus.com/pn/mp3/Bank15_FermentationTank_Sunday.mp3

Hehe

Paul

P.S. Don't listen on PC speakers cos that ESX reverb will sound even 
shitttier! I may just put this whole track through my nice Allen & Heath 
analogue filter. Or I may, instead, indulge in cake.

---
"Effectus super absolutionem"
http://www.JointIntelligenceCommittee.com
http://www.myspace.com/jointintelligencecommittee

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Paul Nagle <softroom@...>
wrote:
>
> Hey gang
...

You make it sound so Scooby Doo Paul...

On 27 May 2007, at 17:21, Paul Nagle wrote:

> http://www.bogusfocus.com/pn/mp3/Bank15_FermentationTank_Sunday.mp3

Well, if we're sharing our noodles this bank holiday: here's  
something I'm working on for a live set next weekend:

	http://www.cassiel.com/media/mp3/e1.mp3

It's a bit timbrally retro.

	-- N.

Nick Rothwell / Cassiel.com Limited
www.cassiel.com
www.myspace.com/cassieldotcom
www.loadbang.net

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Nick Rothwell <nick@...> wrote:
>
> 
> On 27 May 2007, at 17:21, Paul Nagle wrote:
> 
> > http://www.bogusfocus.com/pn/mp3/Bank15_FermentationTank_Sunday.mp3
> 
> Well, if we're sharing our noodles this bank holiday: here's  
> something I'm working on for a live set next weekend:
> 
> 	http://www.cassiel.com/media/mp3/e1.mp3

Everybody into the pool! From my gig last night, live to two-track,
still v3...

http://www.sensitivechaos.com/mp3s/Thoughts_Of_Home_In_A_Sandstorm.mp3

-Jim
--
Jim Combs

Buy my new Sensitive Chaos "Leak" CD at http://cdbaby.com/sensitivechaos

"I highly recommend Leak for its inventiveness, its beat-happy
effervescence, and its thorough lack of pretension, not to mention
it's just a flat out fun album from start to finish." - Bill
Binkelman, New Age Reporter

www.myspace.com/jimcombs
www.sensitivechaos.com
www.myspace.com/sensitivechaos

Nick Rothwell wrote:
#
> Well, if we're sharing our noodles this bank holiday: here's  
> something I'm working on for a live set next weekend:

Awesome, gorgeous!

-- 
Paul
---
"Effectus super absolutionem"
http://www.JointIntelligenceCommittee.com
http://www.myspace.com/jointintelligencecommittee

I like both noodles.

I like noodles in general tbh. :-)

> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com [mailto:analogue-
> >sequencer@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Nagle
> >Sent: 27 May 2007 21:44
> >To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [analogue-sequencer] Sunday Noodle
> >
> >Nick Rothwell wrote:
> >#
> >> Well, if we're sharing our noodles this bank holiday: here's
> >> something I'm working on for a live set next weekend:
> >
> >Awesome, gorgeous!
> >
> >--
> >Paul
> >---
> >"Effectus super absolutionem"
> >http://www.JointIntelligenceCommittee.com
> >http://www.myspace.com/jointintelligencecommittee
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >

On 27 May 2007, at 21:44, Paul Nagle wrote:

> Awesome, gorgeous!

Aw, thanks. It's a bit of a mongrel: german-style sequencing and  
french phasing... but I'm sure the influences are obvious.

I'm putting together an hour of live set for this VJ/film/dance set  
next weekend, and am wondering whether there's possibly an album in  
there somewhere.

	-- N.


Nick Rothwell / Cassiel.com Limited
www.cassiel.com
www.myspace.com/cassieldotcom
www.loadbang.net

On 27 May 2007, at 23:09, Jim Combs wrote:

> Everybody into the pool! From my gig last night, live to two-track,
> still v3...

Sweet. Another coffee shop gig?


Nick Rothwell / Cassiel.com Limited
www.cassiel.com
www.myspace.com/cassieldotcom
www.loadbang.net

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Nick Rothwell <nick@...> wrote:
> > Everybody into the pool! From my gig last night, live to two-track,
> > still v3...
> 
> Sweet. Another coffee shop gig?

Yes, Aurora Coffee in Atlanta. With another gig there coming up in two
weeks, I'll have played there 3 times over a month's time. This last
gig was notable in that I performed with Jesus: 

http://www.myspace.com/jesusaaron

Funny enough, Jesus sounds a bit like Bob Dylan.

-Jim

> Yes, Aurora Coffee in Atlanta.

We don't have a live music coffee-house scene at all in the UK. (We  
only have a Starbucks on every corner, playing CD-of-the-week.)  
Accordingly, I'm gigging at a combination wine bar/cinema.

> Funny enough, Jesus sounds a bit like Bob Dylan.

Funnily enough, he looks like Jesus.

Back on topic: I'll be taking my P3 to v.4 after this gig...

	-- N.


Nick Rothwell / Cassiel.com Limited
www.cassiel.com
www.myspace.com/cassieldotcom
www.loadbang.net

There's an updated v4 beta in the usual place...
http://www.sequentix.com/v4beta.htm

This one fixes a few bugs, including random direction weirdness.
And it adds a 'bar loop' section to patterns.
The pattern edit pages are re-ordered too, like this:

1: tbase, direction, last step
2: shift, shf
3: clr, copy, paste

4: bars, arm
5: GbH, bcopy, hold

6: pattern config
7: sculpt
8: randomize note
9: randomize upper

PAGE + the appropriate step number takes you straight to each page, as in
v3.

To recap the changes in edit mode for any new beta users, the tbase and
direction soft-keys now work in conjunction with the step keys to select
values directly. e.g. tbase 16 is on step key 5, so hold 'tbase' (F1) and
press 5.
All the other functions work as they did in v3.

Pages 4 and 5 are 'bar edit', where the LEDs show you the number of bars in
the pattern (usually GREEN), the current edit bar (RED) and the bar loop
section if you set one.
To change the number of bars in a pattern, on page 4, you hold 'bars' (F1),
and select the number required.
The length of the pattern will usually be shown with GREEN leds. The current
bar playing will flash, and the current bar selected for editing will be
RED.

In bar edit, the NOTE knobs set bar transpose and the UPPER knobs set bar
repeats.

The arm key on page 4 sets the track to restart the pattern at bar 1 on the
next gbar reset.

On page 5, the GbH key toggles 'gbar hold' for the current edit bar, i.e.
the one shown in RED.
Gbar hold will repeat a bar until the next gbar reset, at which point it
will advance to the next bar in the pattern.

You select the edit bar using the DATA knob, or just by pressing the step
key while in bar edit.

Bcopy is used to copy or swap the contents of bars in the pattern.
The source is always the current edit bar.
For example, if you have created a 1 bar pattern, and you want to make it
into a 2 bar pattern, where the second bar is just a subtle variation on the
first, go to bar edit (PAGE + 4), hold 'bars' and press step 2 to set the
length to 2 bars.
Bar 1 should be red, showing it's the current edit bar.
Go to page 5, hold 'bcopy' then press step 2.
The contents of bar 1 will be copied to bar 2.
Then you can use the DATA knob or step key 2 to select bar 2 for editing,
and go back to page 1 to return to pattern edit on that bar.
If you wanted to swap the contents of bars 1 and 2, you would use FUNC +
bcopy.

Bar loops are set in bar edit mode using FUNC and the step keys.
Say you have a 4 bar pattern, and you want to loop bars 3 and 4.
From page 4 or 5, you would hold FUNC, then press step 3, then step 3, then
release FUNC.
The LEDs will show bars 1 and 2 in AMBER, indicating they are outside the
loop section.
When a pattern with a loop section plays, it will play from the start when
P3 is first started, a new part is selected, or the track is reset by an
'arm'.
When the last bar in the loop section has played, the pattern returns to the
first bar in the loop.
So in the example above, the bars would play 1, 2, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4...

If you hold FUNC and press a single step key, you will set only the last bar
in the loop point. 

I think I should probably start writing a v4 manual...

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

A couple of dumb bugs made it into b18.
b19 fixes them -
http://www.sequentix.com/v4beta.htm

Happy polly lodges.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

Hi Colin,
    I updated my P3 to v4b19, but I am still seeing the Random weirdness.
It still just sticks to step 16 (is it something on my machine?).  Also, 
brownian and either direction
still seem to be going just "forward".

Thanks,
Dave



Colin Fraser wrote:

> 
> 
> There's an updated v4 beta in the usual place...
> http://www.sequentix.com/v4beta.htm <http://www.sequentix.com/v4beta.htm>
> 
> This one fixes a few bugs, including random direction weirdness.
> And it adds a 'bar loop' section to patterns.
> The pattern edit pages are re-ordered too, like this:
> 
> 1: tbase, direction, last step
> 2: shift, shf
> 3: clr, copy, paste
> 
> 4: bars, arm
> 5: GbH, bcopy, hold
> 
> 6: pattern config
> 7: sculpt
> 8: randomize note
> 9: randomize upper
> 
> PAGE + the appropriate step number takes you straight to each page, as in
> v3.
> 
> To recap the changes in edit mode for any new beta users, the tbase and
> direction soft-keys now work in conjunction with the step keys to select
> values directly. e.g. tbase 16 is on step key 5, so hold 'tbase' (F1) and
> press 5.
> All the other functions work as they did in v3.
> 
> Pages 4 and 5 are 'bar edit', where the LEDs show you the number of bars in
> the pattern (usually GREEN), the current edit bar (RED) and the bar loop
> section if you set one.
> To change the number of bars in a pattern, on page 4, you hold 'bars' (F1),
> and select the number required.
> The length of the pattern will usually be shown with GREEN leds. The current
> bar playing will flash, and the current bar selected for editing will be
> RED.
> 
> In bar edit, the NOTE knobs set bar transpose and the UPPER knobs set bar
> repeats.
> 
> The arm key on page 4 sets the track to restart the pattern at bar 1 on the
> next gbar reset.
> 
> On page 5, the GbH key toggles 'gbar hold' for the current edit bar, i.e.
> the one shown in RED.
> Gbar hold will repeat a bar until the next gbar reset, at which point it
> will advance to the next bar in the pattern.
> 
> You select the edit bar using the DATA knob, or just by pressing the step
> key while in bar edit.
> 
> Bcopy is used to copy or swap the contents of bars in the pattern.
> The source is always the current edit bar.
> For example, if you have created a 1 bar pattern, and you want to make it
> into a 2 bar pattern, where the second bar is just a subtle variation on the
> first, go to bar edit (PAGE + 4), hold 'bars' and press step 2 to set the
> length to 2 bars.
> Bar 1 should be red, showing it's the current edit bar.
> Go to page 5, hold 'bcopy' then press step 2.
> The contents of bar 1 will be copied to bar 2.
> Then you can use the DATA knob or step key 2 to select bar 2 for editing,
> and go back to page 1 to return to pattern edit on that bar.
> If you wanted to swap the contents of bars 1 and 2, you would use FUNC +
> bcopy.
> 
> Bar loops are set in bar edit mode using FUNC and the step keys.
> Say you have a 4 bar pattern, and you want to loop bars 3 and 4.
>  From page 4 or 5, you would hold FUNC, then press step 3, then step 3, then
> release FUNC.
> The LEDs will show bars 1 and 2 in AMBER, indicating they are outside the
> loop section.
> When a pattern with a loop section plays, it will play from the start when
> P3 is first started, a new part is selected, or the track is reset by an
> 'arm'.
> When the last bar in the loop section has played, the pattern returns to the
> first bar in the loop.
> So in the example above, the bars would play 1, 2, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4...
> 
> If you hold FUNC and press a single step key, you will set only the last bar
> in the loop point.
> 
> I think I should probably start writing a v4 manual...
> 
> Best regards,
> Colin Fraser
> Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
> http://www.sequentix.com <http://www.sequentix.com>
> 
>

Hi Dave, 

>     I updated my P3 to v4b19, but I am still seeing the 
> Random weirdness.
> It still just sticks to step 16 (is it something on my 
> machine?).  Also, 
> brownian and either direction
> still seem to be going just "forward".

Can you send me a dump of a bank with an affected pattern, so I can check it
out.
These directions work fine on my P3.
I can't think of any reason why they could be affected by something else in
the pattern other than the direction setting.
But maybe there is a bug elsewhere with an event or something.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

Thanks again to Colin for another update with some great new features ;)
I havent loaded anything new since i finished my P3 mid last year so
think its time, I guess the only problem is trawling through all the
realeased versions to get a list of all the changes together to add to
my V3 manual...is there a V4 manual by any chance?

cheers
Brett

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Colin Fraser" <colin@...>
wrote:
>
> There's an updated v4 beta in the usual place...
> http://www.sequentix.com/v4beta.htm
> 
> This one fixes a few bugs, including random direction weirdness.
> And it adds a 'bar loop' section to patterns.
> The pattern edit pages are re-ordered too, like this:
> 
> 1: tbase, direction, last step
> 2: shift, shf
> 3: clr, copy, paste
> 
> 4: bars, arm
> 5: GbH, bcopy, hold
> 
> 6: pattern config
> 7: sculpt
> 8: randomize note
> 9: randomize upper
> 
> PAGE + the appropriate step number takes you straight to each page,
as in
> v3.
> 
> To recap the changes in edit mode for any new beta users, the tbase and
> direction soft-keys now work in conjunction with the step keys to select
> values directly. e.g. tbase 16 is on step key 5, so hold 'tbase'
(F1) and
> press 5.
> All the other functions work as they did in v3.
> 
> Pages 4 and 5 are 'bar edit', where the LEDs show you the number of
bars in
> the pattern (usually GREEN), the current edit bar (RED) and the bar loop
> section if you set one.
> To change the number of bars in a pattern, on page 4, you hold
'bars' (F1),
> and select the number required.
> The length of the pattern will usually be shown with GREEN leds. The
current
> bar playing will flash, and the current bar selected for editing will be
> RED.
> 
> In bar edit, the NOTE knobs set bar transpose and the UPPER knobs
set bar
> repeats.
> 
> The arm key on page 4 sets the track to restart the pattern at bar 1
on the
> next gbar reset.
> 
> On page 5, the GbH key toggles 'gbar hold' for the current edit bar,
i.e.
> the one shown in RED.
> Gbar hold will repeat a bar until the next gbar reset, at which point it
> will advance to the next bar in the pattern.
> 
> You select the edit bar using the DATA knob, or just by pressing the
step
> key while in bar edit.
> 
> Bcopy is used to copy or swap the contents of bars in the pattern.
> The source is always the current edit bar.
> For example, if you have created a 1 bar pattern, and you want to
make it
> into a 2 bar pattern, where the second bar is just a subtle
variation on the
> first, go to bar edit (PAGE + 4), hold 'bars' and press step 2 to
set the
> length to 2 bars.
> Bar 1 should be red, showing it's the current edit bar.
> Go to page 5, hold 'bcopy' then press step 2.
> The contents of bar 1 will be copied to bar 2.
> Then you can use the DATA knob or step key 2 to select bar 2 for
editing,
> and go back to page 1 to return to pattern edit on that bar.
> If you wanted to swap the contents of bars 1 and 2, you would use FUNC +
> bcopy.
> 
> Bar loops are set in bar edit mode using FUNC and the step keys.
> Say you have a 4 bar pattern, and you want to loop bars 3 and 4.
> From page 4 or 5, you would hold FUNC, then press step 3, then step
3, then
> release FUNC.
> The LEDs will show bars 1 and 2 in AMBER, indicating they are
outside the
> loop section.
> When a pattern with a loop section plays, it will play from the
start when
> P3 is first started, a new part is selected, or the track is reset by an
> 'arm'.
> When the last bar in the loop section has played, the pattern
returns to the
> first bar in the loop.
> So in the example above, the bars would play 1, 2, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4...
> 
> If you hold FUNC and press a single step key, you will set only the
last bar

> in the loop point. 
> 
> I think I should probably start writing a v4 manual...
> 
> Best regards,
> Colin Fraser
> Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
> http://www.sequentix.com
>

Sorry Colin missed the bit about you maybe writing a V4 manual! thanks
again i'll keep my eyes out for it.

Brett

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Colin Fraser" <colin@...>
wrote:
>
> There's an updated v4 beta in the usual place...
> http://www.sequentix.com/v4beta.htm
> 
> This one fixes a few bugs, including random direction weirdness.
> And it adds a 'bar loop' section to patterns.
> The pattern edit pages are re-ordered too, like this:
> 
> 1: tbase, direction, last step
> 2: shift, shf
> 3: clr, copy, paste
> 
> 4: bars, arm
> 5: GbH, bcopy, hold
> 
> 6: pattern config
> 7: sculpt
> 8: randomize note
> 9: randomize upper
> 
> PAGE + the appropriate step number takes you straight to each page,
as in
> v3.
> 
> To recap the changes in edit mode for any new beta users, the tbase and
> direction soft-keys now work in conjunction with the step keys to select
> values directly. e.g. tbase 16 is on step key 5, so hold 'tbase'
(F1) and
> press 5.
> All the other functions work as they did in v3.
> 
> Pages 4 and 5 are 'bar edit', where the LEDs show you the number of
bars in
> the pattern (usually GREEN), the current edit bar (RED) and the bar loop
> section if you set one.
> To change the number of bars in a pattern, on page 4, you hold
'bars' (F1),
> and select the number required.
> The length of the pattern will usually be shown with GREEN leds. The
current
> bar playing will flash, and the current bar selected for editing will be
> RED.
> 
> In bar edit, the NOTE knobs set bar transpose and the UPPER knobs
set bar
> repeats.
> 
> The arm key on page 4 sets the track to restart the pattern at bar 1
on the
> next gbar reset.
> 
> On page 5, the GbH key toggles 'gbar hold' for the current edit bar,
i.e.
> the one shown in RED.
> Gbar hold will repeat a bar until the next gbar reset, at which point it
> will advance to the next bar in the pattern.
> 
> You select the edit bar using the DATA knob, or just by pressing the
step
> key while in bar edit.
> 
> Bcopy is used to copy or swap the contents of bars in the pattern.
> The source is always the current edit bar.
> For example, if you have created a 1 bar pattern, and you want to
make it
> into a 2 bar pattern, where the second bar is just a subtle
variation on the
> first, go to bar edit (PAGE + 4), hold 'bars' and press step 2 to
set the
> length to 2 bars.
> Bar 1 should be red, showing it's the current edit bar.
> Go to page 5, hold 'bcopy' then press step 2.
> The contents of bar 1 will be copied to bar 2.
> Then you can use the DATA knob or step key 2 to select bar 2 for
editing,
> and go back to page 1 to return to pattern edit on that bar.
> If you wanted to swap the contents of bars 1 and 2, you would use FUNC +
> bcopy.
> 
> Bar loops are set in bar edit mode using FUNC and the step keys.
> Say you have a 4 bar pattern, and you want to loop bars 3 and 4.
> From page 4 or 5, you would hold FUNC, then press step 3, then step
3, then
> release FUNC.
> The LEDs will show bars 1 and 2 in AMBER, indicating they are
outside the
> loop section.
> When a pattern with a loop section plays, it will play from the
start when
> P3 is first started, a new part is selected, or the track is reset by an
> 'arm'.
> When the last bar in the loop section has played, the pattern
returns to the
> first bar in the loop.
> So in the example above, the bars would play 1, 2, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4...
> 
> If you hold FUNC and press a single step key, you will set only the
last bar

> in the loop point. 
> 
> I think I should probably start writing a v4 manual...
> 
> Best regards,
> Colin Fraser
> Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
> http://www.sequentix.com
>

I think it's solved. I had to go back to v4b7, but after that, when I 
reloaded that v19 back in, the random , brownian and either direction 
worked, just as planned.   Thx...

Dave

Colin Fraser wrote:

> 
> 
> Hi Dave,
> 
>  > I updated my P3 to v4b19, but I am still seeing the
>  > Random weirdness.
>  > It still just sticks to step 16 (is it something on my
>  > machine?). Also,
>  > brownian and either direction
>  > still seem to be going just "forward".
> 
> Can you send me a dump of a bank with an affected pattern, so I can check it
> out.
> These directions work fine on my P3.
> I can't think of any reason why they could be affected by something else in
> the pattern other than the direction setting.
> But maybe there is a bug elsewhere with an event or something.
> 
> Best regards,
> Colin Fraser
> Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
> http://www.sequentix.com <http://www.sequentix.com>
>

I'm finding V4 takes me in quite different directions than V3. These are 
  some of the banks I'm currently working on; they aren't in a 
performable state yet and a few drum tracks need work but you get the 
idea. Not the sort of patterns I'd create using playlists.

http://www.mediafire.com/?3j2em3a02zt

Wonder if anyone else is finding it rather like being given a brand new 
hotrodded instrument - for free?

Ah, Saturday afternoons rule... :)
-- 
Paul
---
"Effectus super absolutionem"
http://www.JointIntelligenceCommittee.com
http://www.myspace.com/jointintelligencecommittee

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Paul Nagle <softroom@...> 
wrote:
> Wonder if anyone else is finding it rather like being given a brand 
new 
> hotrodded instrument - for free?

I think I speak for more than myself in saying, I'm still wotking on 
some good things on V3. I await the bridge to port pattern data over to 
V4. I'm looking forward to taking V4 for a spin. Is there any tool to 
save V4 patterns yet besides MIDI-OX?

Jack Deckard

> I think I speak for more than myself in saying, I'm still wotking on 
> some good things on V3. I await the bridge to port pattern 
> data over to 
> V4. I'm looking forward to taking V4 for a spin. Is there any tool to 
> save V4 patterns yet besides MIDI-OX?

Dave is working on a P3 Tools v2, and I'm helping out with a utility to
convert a v3 dump to v4 banks.
Could be something ready in the next week or two.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Paul Nagle <softroom@...>
wrote:
> I'm finding V4 takes me in quite different directions than V3. These
are 
>   some of the banks I'm currently working on; they aren't in a 
> performable state yet and a few drum tracks need work but you get the 
> idea. Not the sort of patterns I'd create using playlists.
> 
> http://www.mediafire.com/?3j2em3a02zt

Quite nice!! Great sounds, by the way. Tasty arrangements.

> Wonder if anyone else is finding it rather like being given a brand new 
> hotrodded instrument - for free?

Are you running both v3 and v4 P3s simultaneously or are these all v4?

What aspects are taking you in different directions?

-Jim

Jim Combs wrote:

> Are you running both v3 and v4 P3s simultaneously or are these all v4?

Both v4

> What aspects are taking you in different directions?

Firstly the ability to have an "intro" bar, or bars. Then the fact you 
can have 16 repeats per step rather than 8, the whole different approach 
to pattern creation.
Playlists made you think in discrete, moveable, malleable chunks. 
Longbars make you think initially of structure, shape, rather than 
knowing you can shunt it around later. Also the whole separation of 
pattern data with bar repeats and transpose and overall playlist length, 
meant you thought of them in two separate "undo" pools, mentally. 
Temporarily loop 1 bar, tweak the notes, save the notes or not, save the 
loop or not. Does that make sense?

There's more, such as having 16 banks BUT being more likely to misplace 
patterns, forget where you put stuff, cos now (good thing alert!) you 
can have each part contain totally new, different data. Ooh, more 
potential for *order*! At this rate I may plan a few things rather than 
totally winging it. Nah :)

And ghosting is ace too. Running out of pattern data - I eat patterns 
now - is more scary but I'm actually being selective - instead of using 
every pattern in every bank, right to the limit, even doing outrageous 
transposes of the same pattern to make it go even further... Well, now I 
leave out whole tracks to save overall pattern space which means I don't 
just pack everything to the gills. If it doesn't add to the value of the 
peice, it's history. No quaint side-alleys possibly to develop 
further... ish.

Hopefully you get the picture, this OS is taking shape nicely, I'll shut 
up before I overgild the lilly... chink!

Paul


-- 
Paul
---
"Effectus super absolutionem"
http://www.JointIntelligenceCommittee.com
http://www.myspace.com/jointintelligencecommittee

Thought you had 3?

> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com [mailto:analogue-
> >sequencer@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Nagle
> >Sent: 03 June 2007 18:31
> >To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [analogue-sequencer] Re: V4 Noodles
> >
> >Jim Combs wrote:
> >
> >> Are you running both v3 and v4 P3s simultaneously or are these all v4?
> >
> >Both v4
> >

Graham Getty wrote:
> Thought you had 3?

The other one is v4 also but not used on these pieces, it's in a 
separate pool of (mostly) analogue gear.

-- 
Paul
---
"Effectus super absolutionem"
http://www.JointIntelligenceCommittee.com
http://www.myspace.com/jointintelligencecommittee

(hi everyone... I'm back! V4 Colin? RIGHT ON!)


Paul, dude, this rocks. I think what I find most intriguing about it is to 
use it to follow your creative process. I trust that this is semi "live", 
so I REALLY enjoy that you must have your gear configuration _down pat_. 
Man, I wish I did.


To play a short bit of catch-up, my gear is FINALLY coming out of storage 
from TWO YEARS ago. EEEK. Now, this means that, yes it's true, I will 
FINALLY be able to finish building the P3 that I bought in (wait for it) 
AUGUST 2003.

OMG.

It's taken me FOUR YEARS to catch up with all you guys. Man...


Anyway... Paul, AWESOME stuff as always. Colin, I can't WAIT to play with 
the new direction you took the P3.

THANK YOU!

------
Paul Nagle (09:21 AM 6/2/2007) wrote:

 >I'm finding V4 takes me in quite different directions than V3. These are
 >some of the banks I'm currently working on; they aren't in a
 >performable state yet and a few drum tracks need work but you get the
 >idea. Not the sort of patterns I'd create using playlists.
 >
 >http://www.mediafire.com/?3j2em3a02zt

Mark Pulver wrote:

> Paul, dude, this rocks. I think what I find most intriguing about it is to 
> use it to follow your creative process. I trust that this is semi "live", 
> so I REALLY enjoy that you must have your gear configuration _down pat_. 
> Man, I wish I did.

Heyup, as we say round here. Less is more. Confusingly, more is also 
more, but I digress.
It's "live" in the sense that it's done in one pass to stereo; I do, in 
these demos, hack bits out where they've begun to annoy me. Nothing more 
than that though.

> To play a short bit of catch-up, my gear is FINALLY coming out of storage 
> from TWO YEARS ago. EEEK. Now, this means that, yes it's true, I will 
> FINALLY be able to finish building the P3 that I bought in (wait for it) 
> AUGUST 2003.

Good grief man, that must have driven you crazy!

> Anyway... Paul, AWESOME stuff as always. Colin, I can't WAIT to play with 
> the new direction you took the P3.

Cheers. Forgot to say, another cool thing is you can now do "multi-bar 
undo". Before if you recorded into multiple patterns in a playlist it 
was destructive.

-- 
Paul
---
"Effectus super absolutionem"
http://www.JointIntelligenceCommittee.com
http://www.myspace.com/jointintelligencecommittee

Paul Nagle (11:45 PM 6/3/2007) wrote:

 >Heyup, as we say round here. Less is more. Confusingly, more is also
 >more, but I digress.
 >It's "live" in the sense that it's done in one pass to stereo; I do, in
 >these demos, hack bits out where they've begun to annoy me. Nothing more
 >than that though.

Cool, yeah, that's the kinda' "live" I was thinking of.


 >> To play a short bit of catch-up, my gear is FINALLY coming out of storage
 >> from TWO YEARS ago. EEEK. Now, this means that, yes it's true, I will
 >> FINALLY be able to finish building the P3 that I bought in (wait for it)
 >> AUGUST 2003.
 >
 >Good grief man, that must have driven you crazy!

Oh... it's been fun. But, I built up some Karma from doing it. Other's have 
seen me say this elsewhere, but the gear got packed when a friend needed a 
place to stay during a REALLY bad relationship issue. That eventually got 
better, but there was another friend in a similar spot right around the corner.

That happened a couple of more times, but it looks "all clear" at this 
point. :)


 >> Anyway... Paul, AWESOME stuff as always. Colin, I can't WAIT to play with
 >> the new direction you took the P3.
 >
 >Cheers. Forgot to say, another cool thing is you can now do "multi-bar
 >undo". Before if you recorded into multiple patterns in a playlist it
 >was destructive.

Oh dude... SOLDER! I NEED SOLDER!

Mark

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Colin Fraser" <colin@...>
wrote:
>
> There's an updated v4 beta in the usual place...

Hi Colin & gang,
I've finally decided to give v4 a go today, and I must say it's taking
some getting used to.. A few comments:
Definite likes:
* I really like the new saving options, allowing you to save patterns
to different tracks and parts.
* I also really like the (auto) function for auxes in the
multi-bar-patterns. I understand a similar function for the tBase &
direction is TBI?
* The ability to set loop-points is excellent, although not entirely
flawless yet: I had a 3-bar pattern with bars 2&3 looped set up in
part 1, then ghosted this to part 2, copied bar 2 to bar 1, set the
pattern-length to 1 bar and saved the whole pattern as a "new" one,
with the intention of having only this bar play, but the loop-points
remained at bars 2&3, as I had set them in part 1.
* The dynamic memory handling is cool as well and will undoubtedly be
really useful, as I always have some patterns left on one side and a
shortage on the other.
Dislikes & stuff that needs some getting used to:
* I like the v4 way of enabling longer patterns, but to be honest, the
way it works at the moment it just looks like you've taken the
playlist-edit mode and merged it into pattern-edit, only with an added
step to reach the playlist from play-mode. I also really liked being
able to copy and edit patterns/bars without the pattern/bar having to
be active in a playlist. The way it works in v3, you can have a
playlist of 1 pattern running, save this pattern to another pattern
that isn't in the playlist yet, edit that pattern, return to
playlist-edit, set the second pattern up as the second step in the
playlist and then finally lengthen the playlist to a length of 2 bars.
In v4 I have to lengthen the multi-bar-patterns length to 2 first, and
only then I can copy, edit, etc. leading to blank bars being played.
At the moment the whole thing is just an adapted version of the
playlist as it was, but with quite a bit less functionality.
I'd like to see a shortcut for selecting the bar you want to edit 
directly from any page in pattern-edit, without having to go to page 4
to select it first. This would greatly improve the multi-bar-pattern
thing for me.
* One thing I find really annoying is that when I switch to a new part
in a bank I can't select a previously made pattern in any track in
that part. If i'm not mistaken I'd have to save a pattern to a new
part before I actually switch to that part..
* Another thing that I find myself disagreeing with is the inability
to ghost only certain bars of patterns instead of a complete pattern.
With v3 I often have tracks in different parts with playlists in which
one pattern is alternated with a number of others: 
1|2|1|3|1|2|1|4 and 1|5|1|3|1|6|1|4, or
1|2|2|3, 1|2|2|4 and 5|2|2|3 for example. With v3 i'd use 6 1-bar
patterns in the 1st example and 5 1-bar patterns in the 2nd, where
with v4 i'd use 2 8-bar patterns in the 1st example and 3 4-bar
patterns in the 2nd. That's 6 or 5 "bars" used with v3 against 16 or
12 in v4...

So to summarise, there's some really interesting and useful functions
in v4, but with the way v4 works at the moment it's only got me hoping
you'll implement these things in v3 soon. 

grtz, Chiel

> I also really liked being
> able to copy and edit patterns/bars without the pattern/bar having to
> be active in a playlist.

In v4, when you change the bar length of a pattern, the end loop point is
set to the new last bar *unless* you hold FUNC.
So to increase the length of a pattern without having the new bars play:
* go to page 4
* hold FUNC then press and release step 1 to ensure that the end of the bar
loop is bar 1
* hold FUNC + 'bars' (F1) and set the new bar length

All the new bars will be amber.

> I'd like to see a shortcut for selecting the bar you want to edit 
> directly from any page in pattern-edit, without having to go to page 4
> to select it first. This would greatly improve the multi-bar-pattern
> thing for me.

Use the DATA knob - it scrolls through the bars in all but page 7 (Sculpt).

> * One thing I find really annoying is that when I switch to a new part
> in a bank I can't select a previously made pattern in any track in
> that part. If i'm not mistaken I'd have to save a pattern to a new
> part before I actually switch to that part..

Being able to ghost a pattern from another part/track in play mode is TBI.

> * Another thing that I find myself disagreeing with is the inability
> to ghost only certain bars of patterns instead of a complete pattern.

I thought about how that might be allowed, but it gets too complex and
memory hungry.
Each pattern is based on a pointer to the first bar, then each allocated bar
points to the next bar.
A pattern could point to a bar in the middle of another pattern as its first
bar, and have a bar length of 1, but then if you shortened the original
source, what would happen ? And you couldn't have a ghosted part of a
pattern with the bars in a different order.
I felt it's easy enough to ghost a pattern to a new location, copy the
section you want to the start of the pattern, then 'save new'.

> With v3 I often have tracks in different parts with playlists in which
> one pattern is alternated with a number of others: 
> 1|2|1|3|1|2|1|4 and 1|5|1|3|1|6|1|4, or
> 1|2|2|3, 1|2|2|4 and 5|2|2|3 for example. With v3 i'd use 6 1-bar
> patterns in the 1st example and 5 1-bar patterns in the 2nd, where
> with v4 i'd use 2 8-bar patterns in the 1st example and 3 4-bar
> patterns in the 2nd. That's 6 or 5 "bars" used with v3 against 16 or
> 12 in v4...

There's a solution for the less efficient use of space in that sort of case
in development.
More news if it works...

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Colin Fraser" <colin@...>
wrote:

> There's a solution for the less efficient use of space in that sort of 
> case in development.
> More news if it works...

Hi Colin,
reading back my own post from yesterday I realise it may come across a
bit negative, which wasn't what I intended: i'm still amazed at the
amount of features you've been able to cram in there and it's still
the best sequencer I can imagine. 
I think it's just because apart from a few itty-bitty things (a number
of which you're addressing in v4) v3 is just about perfect for me. And
i'm a playlist-junkie.
But I look forward to the new developments!
grtz, Chiel