Analogue-sequencer

i have just acquired a P3 and am loving it,  quick question: the difference
between note length 12 and 13 is drastic.... and also can you set the
sequencer up in poly mode...ie can could i hold a drone note with the first
step then hit other notes overtop of that one?  also i am still trying to
figure out how to make a note length like...3 or 4 steps  let me know what
you guys do and you approach it,  i have been reading the manual and it is
well written but sometimes i just learn a little better from seeing a few
different perspectives, so please dont think i am lazy.

watson

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Hi Watson:

Note 13 means drone! hold until next note on

cheers!


________________________________> To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com> From: companyofquail@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:16:31 -0400> Subject: [analogue-sequencer] individual step note lengths?>> i have just acquired a P3 and am loving it, quick question: the difference> between note length 12 and 13 is drastic.... and also can you set the> sequencer up in poly mode...ie can could i hold a drone note with the first> step then hit other notes overtop of that one? also i am still trying to> figure out how to make a note length like...3 or 4 steps let me know what> you guys do and you approach it, i have been reading the manual and it is> well written but sometimes i just learn a little better from seeing a few> different perspectives, so please dont think i am lazy.> watson> --> i warned you not to go out tonight...> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> 

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righto..so what about the other thing...ie getting a note to play over three
or four steps and also plaing a drone note with shorter notes over top on
the same track

On 10/10/07, Hans Greuber <turbotron69@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Watson:
>
> Note 13 means drone! hold until next note on
>
> cheers!
>
> ________________________________> To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com<analogue-sequencer%40yahoogroups.com>>
> From: companyofquail@gmail.com <companyofquail%40gmail.com>> Date: Wed, 10
> Oct 2007 22:16:31 -0400> Subject: [analogue-sequencer] individual step note
> lengths?>> i have just acquired a P3 and am loving it, quick question: the
> difference> between note length 12 and 13 is drastic.... and also can you
> set the> sequencer up in poly mode...ie can could i hold a drone note with
> the first> step then hit other notes overtop of that one? also i am still
> trying to> figure out how to make a note length like...3 or 4 steps let me
> know what> you guys do and you approach it, i have been reading the manual
> and it is> well written but sometimes i just learn a little better from
> seeing a few> different perspectives, so please dont think i am lazy.>
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I guess you have to split that into several sequences ( two tracks called on the P3 ,per example and midi channel1 and 2 ) but both with the same sound ( so record that patch into synth user patch 1 and 2) and send the long notes to 1 and the shortest to 2.Then it will overlap

That is what I´ll do but perhaps some other users will give you some clues..

Time to sleep for me,6 hours playing with my new devilfish303 put me into 90´s hardtrance days!

Good nite!



________________________________> To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com> From: companyofquail@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:59:33 -0400> Subject: Re: [analogue-sequencer] individual step note lengths?>> righto..so what about the other thing...ie getting a note to play over three> or four steps and also plaing a drone note with shorter notes over top on> the same track> On 10/10/07, Hans Greuber> wrote:>>>>>>>> Hi Watson:>>>> Note 13 means drone! hold until next note on>>>> cheers!>>>> ________________________________> To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com>>> From: companyofquail@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10>> Oct 2007 22:16:31 -0400> Subject: [analogue-sequencer] individual step note>> lengths?>> i have just acquired a P3 and am loving it, quick question: the>> difference> between note length 12 and 13 is drastic.... and also can you>> set the> sequencer up in poly mode...ie can could i hold a drone note with>> the first> step then hit other notes overtop of that one? also i am still>> trying to> figure out how to make a note length like...3 or 4 steps let me>> know what> you guys do and you approach it, i have been reading the manual>> and it is> well written but sometimes i just learn a little better from>> seeing a few> different perspectives, so please dont think i am lazy.>>> watson> --> i warned you not to go out tonight...> [Non-text portions of>> this message have been removed]>>>>> __________________________________________________________>> Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE!>> http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/>>>>> --> i warned you not to go out tonight...> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> 

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thank you much,  that is what i figured i would have to do,  or just assign
track 1 and 2 to midi out 1?  ill try that too,  just wanted to know if
there was a way to save precious tracks,  cause i got a lot of midi capable
analogs and i like to have as many tracks(tracks 1-8 of p3) as i can,  which
i am sure most of us try and do.....

On 10/10/07, Hans Greuber <turbotron69@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I guess you have to split that into several sequences ( two tracks called
> on the P3 ,per example and midi channel1 and 2 ) but both with the same
> sound ( so record that patch into synth user patch 1 and 2) and send the
> long notes to 1 and the shortest to 2.Then it will overlap
>
> That is what I´ll do but perhaps some other users will give you some
> clues..
>
> Time to sleep for me,6 hours playing with my new devilfish303 put me into
> 90´s hardtrance days!
>
> Good nite!
>
> ________________________________> To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com<analogue-sequencer%40yahoogroups.com>>
> From: companyofquail@gmail.com <companyofquail%40gmail.com>> Date: Wed, 10
> Oct 2007 22:59:33 -0400> Subject: Re: [analogue-sequencer] individual step
> note lengths?>> righto..so what about the other thing...ie getting a note to
> play over three> or four steps and also plaing a drone note with shorter
> notes over top on> the same track> On 10/10/07, Hans Greuber> wrote:>>>>>>>>
> Hi Watson:>>>> Note 13 means drone! hold until next note on>>>> cheers!>>>>
> ________________________________> To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com<analogue-sequencer%40yahoogroups.com>>>>
> From: companyofquail@gmail.com <companyofquail%40gmail.com>> Date: Wed,
> 10>> Oct 2007 22:16:31 -0400> Subject: [analogue-sequencer] individual step
> note>> lengths?>> i have just acquired a P3 and am loving it, quick
> question: the>> difference> between note length 12 and 13 is drastic.... and
> also can you>> set the> sequencer up in poly mode...ie can could i hold a
> drone note with>> the first> step then hit other notes overtop of that one?
> also i am still>> trying to> figure out how to make a note length like...3
> or 4 steps let me>> know what> you guys do and you approach it, i have been
> reading the manual>> and it is> well written but sometimes i just learn a
> little better from>> seeing a few> different perspectives, so please dont
> think i am lazy.>>> watson> --> i warned you not to go out tonight...>
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On Wed, October 10, 2007 7:16 pm, watson wrote:
> also i am still
> trying to figure out how to make a note length like...3 or 4 steps  let me
> know what you guys do and you approach it,


If you want a note to be 3 or 4 steps, you can use the "Tie" buttons to
tie steps together, and then set them to the same note.

Cheers,
Dave

Also,

note edit mode 2 (in user config) will enter long notes like this:
hold down step 1 (for example) and press step 7. Now your 'note' holds from
1-7.
Actually it writes the same note freq on each step, with a tie on each step
up to 7 (as dave was suggesting- kind of a 'manual' way to do this. Collin
made the note entry mode 2 for quick entry of this).

Alternatively you can make a step's note length 13, and it holds until the
next step with note gate on (as hans suggested)

If you write aux notes to any of these steps, their parameters follow with
the base note for that step (length, velocity...)
If you want some long notes with shorter notes playing on the same patch
over it, you would do that on a different p3 track, but (assuming it's being
sent to a polysynth) you dont need a different patch or midi channel being
sent to- just a different sequencer track.

Hope this helps cover your options!
-josh

On 10/11/07, dave@renegaderhythms.com <dave@renegaderhythms.com> wrote:
>
>   On Wed, October 10, 2007 7:16 pm, watson wrote:
> > also i am still
> > trying to figure out how to make a note length like...3 or 4 steps let
> me
> > know what you guys do and you approach it,
>
> If you want a note to be 3 or 4 steps, you can use the "Tie" buttons to
> tie steps together, and then set them to the same note.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
>  
>


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I suppose there is no way around this, but in this mode when you change the first step of a long note (steps 1 to 7 for example), only the frequency of step 1 changes, but the frequency of steps 2 to 7 don't, so you get a slide to a different note frequency. so if you want to change the frequency of a long note,  you have to erase the whole note and program it again. 
   
  any way of fixing that?

josh <notjoshua@gmail.com> wrote:
          Also,

note edit mode 2 (in user config) will enter long notes like this:
hold down step 1 (for example) and press step 7. Now your 'note' holds from
1-7.
Actually it writes the same note freq on each step, with a tie on each step
up to 7 (as dave was suggesting- kind of a 'manual' way to do this. Collin
made the note entry mode 2 for quick entry of this).

Alternatively you can make a step's note length 13, and it holds until the
next step with note gate on (as hans suggested)

If you write aux notes to any of these steps, their parameters follow with
the base note for that step (length, velocity...)
If you want some long notes with shorter notes playing on the same patch
over it, you would do that on a different p3 track, but (assuming it's being
sent to a polysynth) you dont need a different patch or midi channel being
sent to- just a different sequencer track.

Hope this helps cover your options!
-josh

On 10/11/07, dave@renegaderhythms.com <dave@renegaderhythms.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, October 10, 2007 7:16 pm, watson wrote:
> > also i am still
> > trying to figure out how to make a note length like...3 or 4 steps let
> me
> > know what you guys do and you approach it,
>
> If you want a note to be 3 or 4 steps, you can use the "Tie" buttons to
> tie steps together, and then set them to the same note.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
> 
>

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> I suppose there is no way around this, but in this mode when 
> you change the first step of a long note (steps 1 to 7 for 
> example), only the frequency of step 1 changes, but the 
> frequency of steps 2 to 7 don't, so you get a slide to a 
> different note frequency. so if you want to change the 
> frequency of a long note,  you have to erase the whole note 
> and program it again. 

That's true at present.
Recently a user of another sequencer pointed out the way stretched notes
were implemented on it allowed the first note of a long note to define the
pitch for the whole note, even though the notes values for the steps that
were 'stretched over' were unchanged.
I'm contemplating how I might add that to P3...

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

i kind of like how it is now too.
good slidins!

On 10/12/07, Colin Fraser <colin@sequentix.com> wrote:
>
>
> > I suppose there is no way around this, but in this mode when
> > you change the first step of a long note (steps 1 to 7 for
> > example), only the frequency of step 1 changes, but the
> > frequency of steps 2 to 7 don't, so you get a slide to a
> > different note frequency. so if you want to change the
> > frequency of a long note, you have to erase the whole note
> > and program it again.
>
> That's true at present.
> Recently a user of another sequencer pointed out the way stretched notes
> were implemented on it allowed the first note of a long note to define the
> pitch for the whole note, even though the notes values for the steps that
> were 'stretched over' were unchanged.
> I'm contemplating how I might add that to P3...
>
> Best regards,
> Colin Fraser
> Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
> http://www.sequentix.com
>
>  
>


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> i kind of like how it is now too.
> good slidins!

I like how it is now too - I'm talking about adding the ability to extend a
note, in addition to tie.
Tie means that the same note is held, or different notes are overlapped.
Extend would mean that the first note would be held over multiple steps,
even though the note values for subsequent steps may be different.
The advantage of extending a note would be that if you turned off the extend
on following steps, the original note values are still there.
It may be that this is a more sensible use of the 'X' row than the current
'transpose defeat' thing.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

Now I understand.

...never really use Xpose defeat either! ;-)

do many of yous out there?

On 10/12/07, Colin Fraser <colin@sequentix.com> wrote:
>
>
> > i kind of like how it is now too.
> > good slidins!
>
> I like how it is now too - I'm talking about adding the ability to extend
> a
> note, in addition to tie.
> Tie means that the same note is held, or different notes are overlapped.
> Extend would mean that the first note would be held over multiple steps,
> even though the note values for subsequent steps may be different.
> The advantage of extending a note would be that if you turned off the
> extend
> on following steps, the original note values are still there.
> It may be that this is a more sensible use of the 'X' row than the current
> 'transpose defeat' thing.
>
> Best regards,
> Colin Fraser
> Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
> http://www.sequentix.com
>
>  
>


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--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, josh <notjoshua@...> wrote:
>
> Now I understand.
> 
> ...never really use Xpose defeat either! ;-)
> 
> do many of yous out there?
> 


I never use it.



> On 10/12/07, Colin Fraser <colin@...> wrote:

> > It may be that this is a more sensible use of the 'X' row than the
current
> > 'transpose defeat' thing.

How would that be implemented ?
Would notes be programed as normal and any steps where the "X" row is
activated will be extended ?

Regards,
AcidMitch

i use transpose defeat alot. i'll write a melody on one track and then transpose defeat it, and then use an external keyboard to transpose a bassline or whatever else i have running on the other tracks.

josh <notjoshua@gmail.com> wrote:          Now I understand.

...never really use Xpose defeat either! ;-)

do many of yous out there?

On 10/12/07, Colin Fraser <colin@sequentix.com> wrote:
>
>
> > i kind of like how it is now too.
> > good slidins!
>
> I like how it is now too - I'm talking about adding the ability to extend
> a
> note, in addition to tie.
> Tie means that the same note is held, or different notes are overlapped.
> Extend would mean that the first note would be held over multiple steps,
> even though the note values for subsequent steps may be different.
> The advantage of extending a note would be that if you turned off the
> extend
> on following steps, the original note values are still there.
> It may be that this is a more sensible use of the 'X' row than the current
> 'transpose defeat' thing.
>
> Best regards,
> Colin Fraser
> Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
> http://www.sequentix.com
>
> 
>

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But if the P3's OS was written to be able to transpose all 8 Tracks
seperately, instead of the global transpose... would you need it?

Dave

On Sun, October 14, 2007 5:32 am, Zahir Manek wrote:
> i use transpose defeat alot. i'll write a melody on one track and then
> transpose defeat it, and then use an external keyboard to transpose a
> bassline or whatever else i have running on the other tracks.
>
> josh <notjoshua@gmail.com> wrote:          Now I understand.
>
> ...never really use Xpose defeat either! ;-)
>
>
> do many of yous out there?
>
> On 10/12/07, Colin Fraser <colin@sequentix.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>> i kind of like how it is now too. good slidins!
>>
>> I like how it is now too - I'm talking about adding the ability to
>> extend a note, in addition to tie. Tie means that the same note is held,
>> or different notes are overlapped. Extend would mean that the first note
>> would be held over multiple steps, even though the note values for
>> subsequent steps may be different. The advantage of extending a note
>> would be that if you turned off the extend on following steps, the
>> original note values are still there. It may be that this is a more
>> sensible use of the 'X' row than the current 'transpose defeat' thing.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Colin Fraser
>> Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
>> http://www.sequentix.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> But if the P3's OS was written to be able to transpose all 8 Tracks
> seperately, instead of the global transpose... would you need it?

You can use remote control to transpose tracks individually using the note
accumulators - but with CC messages rather than note-ons, so it's not quite
so handy...

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

Hi;

I just have discovered this cool note edit mode 2. I didn´t know about that. That is the thing I always suggested!

Thanks Colin!

But I have realiced it has a more natural feeling on synths that the 13 thing..  same notes streetched with both methods and only edit mode 2 sounds " pro". 

By the way;

Is any way to enter chords " in step mode"  record mode?( Keyboard attached)  I mean.. the sequence is running... you want to enter a chord on just step 3rd and 4th.. But as I´m not a keyboard player.. I delete/ overlap the following ones..  I tried to put tempo to 10 bpm to have more time in between but nothing...

Thanks;

Hans




________________________________> To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com> From: zanalogheaven@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:37:48 -0700> Subject: Re: [analogue-sequencer] individual step note lengths?>> I suppose there is no way around this, but in this mode when you change the first step of a long note (steps 1 to 7 for example), only the frequency of step 1 changes, but the frequency of steps 2 to 7 don't, so you get a slide to a different note frequency. so if you want to change the frequency of a long note, you have to erase the whole note and program it again.> any way of fixing that?> josh> wrote:> Also,> note edit mode 2 (in user config) will enter long notes like this:> hold down step 1 (for example) and press step 7. Now your 'note' holds from> 1-7.> Actually it writes the same note freq on each step, with a tie on each step> up to 7 (as dave was suggesting- kind of a 'manual' way to do this. Collin> made the note entry mode 2 for quick entry of this).> Alternatively you can make a step's note length 13, and it holds until the> next step with note gate on (as hans suggested)> If you write aux notes to any of these steps, their parameters follow with> the base note for that step (length, velocity...)> If you want some long notes with shorter notes playing on the same patch> over it, you would do that on a different p3 track, but (assuming it's being> sent to a polysynth) you dont need a different patch or midi channel being> sent to- just a different sequencer track.> Hope this helps cover your options!> -josh> On 10/11/07, dave@renegaderhythms.com> wrote:>>>> On Wed, October 10, 2007 7:16 pm, watson wrote:>>> also i am still>>> trying to figure out how to make a note length like...3 or 4 steps let>> me>>> know what you guys do and you approach it,>>>> If you want a note to be 3 or 4 steps, you can use the "Tie" buttons to>> tie steps together, and then set them to the same note.>>>> Cheers,>> Dave>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> ---------------------------------> Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on 
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Is any way to enter chords " in step mode" record mode?( Keyboard attached) I mean.. the sequence is running... you want to enter a chord on just step 3rd and 4th.. But as I´m not a keyboard player.. I delete/ overlap the following ones.. I tried to put tempo to 10 bpm to have more time in between but nothing...

Thanks;

Hans
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> Is any way to enter chords " in step mode" record mode?

Nope.
It's something I've been asked for before.
Might be possible, if I find a way to reduce the current code size, or if I
notice some way I can add it at virtually no cost in code size.
v4 as it is is pushing the code space to the limit.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

Hi,
  As a work around to this, go into Edit Track and change the speed of
the track to being slower, such 1 bar or something like that.  That way
you don't have to try to time it with a 16th note (for those of us who
can't keyboard).  Then after entering the note, change the time of the
track back to 16th or 8th notes or whatever you need.

If your live and don't want the people to hear you changing speeds and
such.   Do your editing and entering with the track muted.  Then
after you've saved your edit, you can unmute to hear what you've done..


Dave

On Sun, October 21, 2007 2:58 pm, Colin Fraser wrote:
>

>> Is any way to enter chords " in step mode" record mode?
>>
>
> Nope.
> It's something I've been asked for before.
> Might be possible, if I find a way to reduce the current code size, or if
> I
> notice some way I can add it at virtually no cost in code size. v4 as it is
> is pushing the code space to the limit.
>
> Best regards,
> Colin Fraser
> Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
> http://www.sequentix.com
>
>
>
>

Thanks both for the answer.

Hans



________________________________> To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com> From: dave@RenegadeRhythms.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:08:35 -0700> Subject: RE: [analogue-sequencer] Chord step help!>> Hi,> As a work around to this, go into Edit Track and change the speed of> the track to being slower, such 1 bar or something like that. That way> you don't have to try to time it with a 16th note (for those of us who> can't keyboard). Then after entering the note, change the time of the> track back to 16th or 8th notes or whatever you need.> If your live and don't want the people to hear you changing speeds and> such. Do your editing and entering with the track muted. Then> after you've saved your edit, you can unmute to hear what you've done..> Dave> On Sun, October 21, 2007 2:58 pm, Colin Fraser wrote:>>>>> Is any way to enter chords " in step mode" record mode?>>>>>>> Nope.>> It's something I've been asked for before.>> Might be possible, if I find a way to reduce the current code size, or if>> I>> notice some way I can add it at virtually no cost in code size. v4 as it is>> is pushing the code space to the limit.>>>> Best regards,>> Colin Fraser>> Sequentix Music Systems Ltd>> http://www.sequentix.com>>>>>>>>> 

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Hi;


Why if you upgrade the cpu as an option,as well?
Would be possible? or that is just the P4?


Thanks;

Hans



________________________________> To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com> From: colin@sequentix.com> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:58:21 +0100> Subject: RE: [analogue-sequencer] Chord step help!>>> Is any way to enter chords " in step mode" record mode?> Nope.> It's something I've been asked for before.> Might be possible, if I find a way to reduce the current code size, or if I> notice some way I can add it at virtually no cost in code size.> v4 as it is is pushing the code space to the limit.> Best regards,> Colin Fraser> Sequentix Music Systems Ltd> http://www.sequentix.com> 

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