Analogue-sequencer

Hello,

First post here, I'm searching for a great sequencer and my searches 
bring me here (other actors considered in my price range are doepfer, 
future retro revolution r2, cyclus 3)
Do you know when the P4 would be released and if it would be ? Sorry if 
this question has already been asked but I didn't find with the 
search...
thanks a lot,

> Do you know when the P4 would be released and if it would be 
> ? Sorry if 
> this question has already been asked but I didn't find with the 
> search...

The question is asked fairly often, but I usually avoid answering it as I
don't like to be vague.
It's taken a lot longer than expected, mainly due to external factors, such
as my expanding family and the extensive program of domestic improvements my
wife likes to keep putting my way.

The starting point for the next sequencer's software will be the current v4
OS for P3.
I believe the most important thing is to get the right level of physical UI
to make it much more immediately usable than P3.
I also want dedicated percussion programming, but that may not appear at the
very beginning.
Any further news will appear here first...

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

On 2 Mar 2008, at 23:05, Colin Fraser wrote:

> The question is asked fairly often, but I usually avoid answering  
> it as I
> don't like to be vague.

I guess you also have to be a bit wary of doing an Osborne. (http:// 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect)

	-- N.


   nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http:// 
www.cassiel.com

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Colin Fraser" <colin@...>
wrote:
>
>  
> > Do you know when the P4 would be released and if it would be 
> > ? Sorry if 
> > this question has already been asked but I didn't find with the 
> > search...
> 
> The question is asked fairly often, but I usually avoid answering it
as I
> don't like to be vague.
> It's taken a lot longer than expected, mainly due to external
factors, such
> as my expanding family and the extensive program of domestic
improvements my
> wife likes to keep putting my way.
> 
> The starting point for the next sequencer's software will be the
current v4
> OS for P3.
> I believe the most important thing is to get the right level of
physical UI
> to make it much more immediately usable than P3.
> I also want dedicated percussion programming, but that may not
appear at the
> very beginning.
> Any further news will appear here first...
> 
> Best regards,
> Colin Fraser
> Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
> http://www.sequentix.com
>


Check out... the drum sequencer based on the Roland 808 schems...
http://www.eight-oh-eight.org/phpbb2/

Specifically... Future Development of MB808 Firmware
http://eight-oh-eight.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=169

You can see the partially completed MB-808 at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3d6U9ahh_E

I need to start soldering my PCB...

Steve

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Colin Fraser" <colin@...>
wrote:
>
>  
> > Do you know when the P4 would be released and if it would be 
> > ? Sorry if 
> > this question has already been asked but I didn't find with the 
> > search...
> 
> The question is asked fairly often, but I usually avoid answering it
as I
> don't like to be vague.
> It's taken a lot longer than expected, mainly due to external
factors, such
> as my expanding family and the extensive program of domestic
improvements my
> wife likes to keep putting my way.
> 
> The starting point for the next sequencer's software will be the
current v4
> OS for P3.
> I believe the most important thing is to get the right level of
physical UI
> to make it much more immediately usable than P3.
> I also want dedicated percussion programming, but that may not
appear at the
> very beginning.
> Any further news will appear here first...
> 
> Best regards,
> Colin Fraser
> Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
> http://www.sequentix.com
>

I'll keep my fingers crossed for C/V :O)

> --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Colin Fraser" <colin@...>
> wrote:

> > I also want dedicated percussion programming, but that may not
> appear at the

> Check out... the drum sequencer based on the Roland 808 schems...
> http://www.eight-oh-eight.org/phpbb2/
> 
> Specifically... Future Development of MB808 Firmware
> http://eight-oh-eight.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=169

I mean to include percussion programming in P4, so that percussion patterns
are integrated into the same parts as note patterns, or at least changes in
percussion patterns can be tightly sychronised with changes in the note
tracks.
I've been finding it increasingly annoying to maintain the drum parts for
tracks separately from the synth parts.

> I'll keep my fingers crossed for C/V :O)

I did some research a while back into the audibility of MIDI delays, and
found the minimum times that can actually be perceived to be less than I
thought.
Very short delays that can't be heard in isolation as rhythmic changes can
be heard as timbral changes where sounds are layered - most notably with
percussion sounds.
So the plan is for P4 to include native CV outputs.
In order to make it as flexible as possible, this will likely be on a
daughter-board connected to the main CPU by a very high-speed synchronous
connection.
That way there would be the option to have multiple note/velocity/aux/gate
CV outs for synths, or multiple accent/trig outputs to drive drum sounds.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

Thank you very much guyz (and of course to the P3 father, Collin) for 
your feedbacks. So the P4 would arrive "soon" depending many factors. 

Maybe a P4 wish list might be needed if not done already to collect 
all users comments (the only comment I can give as a non user 
is "keep it simple" and user friendly). 

On my side I will go for the cyclus 3 or the monophonique future 
retro revolution r2 (which has also a mono synth that might be a good 
addition comparing the price difference...) and the doepfer which is 
certainly the most sophisticated  (expect the P3 of course). 
I think the P3 second hand price is not fair (even I'm sure it's a 
great sequencer)and it's like the stock market completely artificial 
due to his rareness...

hope the P4 rumor will break this as well....
thanks !




--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott" 
<richard_scott@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Colin
> 
> so the intention is that P4 will have a physical interface that 
normal humans can understand, including a bigger display, and I can 
sequence modules, midi controlled fx, a drum synth, a modular and my 
moogermooger pedals all from the same box...  (16 or 32 tracks?) I 
imagine recording all this output as midi and audio to my MPC4000 or 
Ableton Live and then constructing the actual songs there. And I 
guess, plus something like usb or a SD card to back everything up, 
wow... 
> 
> assuming a better display, it would be nice to be able to label 
individual tracks so we know what is going where. and if this were 
possible I would love it if the a usb port could also recognise a 
QWERTY keyboard, this is a heck of a lot nicer than scrolling around 
the alphabet to keep everything labelled up... I wish EVERY synth and 
module had this
> 
> ....but please make sure you miss something important that is on 
the P3 so that my P3 will keep its currently grossly exaggerated 
value... :)
> 
> oh  wait, but then I  wouldn't want to want to sell it, 
> 
> must drink at least 3 cups of tea before posting
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Colin Fraser 
>   To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:26 AM
>   Subject: RE: [analogue-sequencer] Re: P4 ? if yes for when ?
> 
> 
> 
>   > --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Colin Fraser" 
<colin@>
>   > wrote:
> 
>   > > I also want dedicated percussion programming, but that may not
>   > appear at the
> 
>   > Check out... the drum sequencer based on the Roland 808 
schems...
>   > http://www.eight-oh-eight.org/phpbb2/
>   > 
>   > Specifically... Future Development of MB808 Firmware
>   > http://eight-oh-eight.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=169
> 
>   I mean to include percussion programming in P4, so that 
percussion patterns
>   are integrated into the same parts as note patterns, or at least 
changes in
>   percussion patterns can be tightly sychronised with changes in 
the note
>   tracks.
>   I've been finding it increasingly annoying to maintain the drum 
parts for
>   tracks separately from the synth parts.
> 
>   > I'll keep my fingers crossed for C/V :O)
> 
>   I did some research a while back into the audibility of MIDI 
delays, and
>   found the minimum times that can actually be perceived to be less 
than I
>   thought.
>   Very short delays that can't be heard in isolation as rhythmic 
changes can
>   be heard as timbral changes where sounds are layered - most 
notably with
>   percussion sounds.
>   So the plan is for P4 to include native CV outputs.
>   In order to make it as flexible as possible, this will likely be 
on a
>   daughter-board connected to the main CPU by a very high-speed 
synchronous
>   connection.
>   That way there would be the option to have multiple 
note/velocity/aux/gate
>   CV outs for synths, or multiple accent/trig outputs to drive drum 
sounds.

> 
>   Best regards,
>   Colin Fraser
>   Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
>   http://www.sequentix.com
> 
> 
> 
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> so the intention is that P4 will have a physical interface 
> that normal humans can understand

Not "normal humans", no.
Musicians.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

Hi Colin

so the intention is that P4 will have a physical interface that normal humans can understand, including a bigger display, and I can sequence modules, midi controlled fx, a drum synth, a modular and my moogermooger pedals all from the same box...  (16 or 32 tracks?) I imagine recording all this output as midi and audio to my MPC4000 or Ableton Live and then constructing the actual songs there. And I guess, plus something like usb or a SD card to back everything up, wow... 

assuming a better display, it would be nice to be able to label individual tracks so we know what is going where. and if this were possible I would love it if the a usb port could also recognise a QWERTY keyboard, this is a heck of a lot nicer than scrolling around the alphabet to keep everything labelled up... I wish EVERY synth and module had this

....but please make sure you miss something important that is on the P3 so that my P3 will keep its currently grossly exaggerated value... :)

oh  wait, but then I  wouldn't want to want to sell it, 

must drink at least 3 cups of tea before posting

Richard

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Colin Fraser 
  To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:26 AM
  Subject: RE: [analogue-sequencer] Re: P4 ? if yes for when ?



  > --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Colin Fraser" <colin@...>
  > wrote:

  > > I also want dedicated percussion programming, but that may not
  > appear at the

  > Check out... the drum sequencer based on the Roland 808 schems...
  > http://www.eight-oh-eight.org/phpbb2/
  > 
  > Specifically... Future Development of MB808 Firmware
  > http://eight-oh-eight.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=169

  I mean to include percussion programming in P4, so that percussion patterns
  are integrated into the same parts as note patterns, or at least changes in
  percussion patterns can be tightly sychronised with changes in the note
  tracks.
  I've been finding it increasingly annoying to maintain the drum parts for
  tracks separately from the synth parts.

  > I'll keep my fingers crossed for C/V :O)

  I did some research a while back into the audibility of MIDI delays, and
  found the minimum times that can actually be perceived to be less than I
  thought.
  Very short delays that can't be heard in isolation as rhythmic changes can
  be heard as timbral changes where sounds are layered - most notably with
  percussion sounds.
  So the plan is for P4 to include native CV outputs.
  In order to make it as flexible as possible, this will likely be on a
  daughter-board connected to the main CPU by a very high-speed synchronous
  connection.
  That way there would be the option to have multiple note/velocity/aux/gate
  CV outs for synths, or multiple accent/trig outputs to drive drum sounds.

  Best regards,
  Colin Fraser
  Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
  http://www.sequentix.com



   

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--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Colin Fraser" <colin@...>
wrote:
>
>  
> > so the intention is that P4 will have a physical interface 
> > that normal humans can understand
> 
> Not "normal humans", no.
> Musicians.
> 
> Best regards,
> Colin Fraser
> Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
> http://www.sequentix.com
>


LOL... that's good I like that one!

Thanks for your comments Dave, I agree with you regarding the 
comparison with the sequencer I mentioned, they are not in the same 
league (the idea is to wait with one of this one till the P4 pop up). 

I would expand my price limit accordingly for something really good 
in the future (of course according to my needs as well).

The price craziness I was referring to was about more than 2 k $ for 
a P3 which I find too much ( I read they went even above this...). So 
if someone has a P3 in good condition for 750 $ I would buy it 
straight away ;-)

All the best,

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, DB <dave@...> wrote:
>
> 
> I would say that the Octopus and Schrittmacher are much
> more "sophisticated" then the MAQ...   of course the price
> reflects that just like in the P3...  
> 
> Just in the last year, a list member had troubles selling their 
home 
> built P3 for
> $750 on ebay, so it's a matter of looking and waiting with your 
money. 
> 
> Now for me, I price my P3 at well above the current going Ebay 
price, 
> because I can't
> replace it.... so it's value to me is equal to or more then an 
Octopus. 
> So I don't think
> that's artificial. It's reality.  If my P3 wasn't there, THAT would 
be 
> very real to me.
> 
> And remember, every wish that Colin adds on, is a raise in the 
price (if 
> it's hardware related)....  
> so if Price is your concern, then you will want Less features for 
the 
> P4.   I really doubt the P4 will cost the
> same or less then the Cyclus3 or Revolution or even a MAQ...  now 
of 
> course Colin can prove us all
> wrong, but I really doubt the P4 will be costing $750 or less like 
the 
> Sequencers you listed...
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave
> 
> hysham2000 wrote:
> 
> > Thank you very much guyz (and of course to the P3 father, Collin) 
for
> > your feedbacks. So the P4 would arrive "soon" depending many 
factors.
> >
> > Maybe a P4 wish list might be needed if not done already to 
collect
> > all users comments (the only comment I can give as a non user
> > is "keep it simple" and user friendly).
> >
> > On my side I will go for the cyclus 3 or the monophonique future
> > retro revolution r2 (which has also a mono synth that might be a 
good
> > addition comparing the price difference...) and the doepfer which 
is
> > certainly the most sophisticated (expect the P3 of course).
> > I think the P3 second hand price is not fair (even I'm sure it's a
> > great sequencer)and it's like the stock market completely 
artificial
> > due to his rareness...
> >
> > hope the P4 rumor will break this as well....
> > thanks !
> >
> > --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com 
> > <mailto:analogue-sequencer%40yahoogroups.com>, "Richard Scott"
> > <richard_scott@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Colin
> > >
> > > so the intention is that P4 will have a physical interface that
> > normal humans can understand, including a bigger display, and I 
can
> > sequence modules, midi controlled fx, a drum synth, a modular and 
my
> > moogermooger pedals all from the same box... (16 or 32 tracks?) I
> > imagine recording all this output as midi and audio to my MPC4000 
or
> > Ableton Live and then constructing the actual songs there. And I
> > guess, plus something like usb or a SD card to back everything up,
> > wow...
> > >
> > > assuming a better display, it would be nice to be able to label
> > individual tracks so we know what is going where. and if this were
> > possible I would love it if the a usb port could also recognise a
> > QWERTY keyboard, this is a heck of a lot nicer than scrolling 
around
> > the alphabet to keep everything labelled up... I wish EVERY synth 
and
> > module had this
> > >
> > > ....but please make sure you miss something important that is on
> > the P3 so that my P3 will keep its currently grossly exaggerated
> > value... :)
> > >
> > > oh wait, but then I wouldn't want to want to sell it,
> > >
> > > must drink at least 3 cups of tea before posting
> > >
> > > Richard
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Colin Fraser
> > > To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com 
> > <mailto:analogue-sequencer%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:26 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [analogue-sequencer] Re: P4 ? if yes for when ?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com 
> > <mailto:analogue-sequencer%40yahoogroups.com>, "Colin Fraser"
> > <colin@>
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > I also want dedicated percussion programming, but that may 
not
> > > > appear at the
> > >
> > > > Check out... the drum sequencer based on the Roland 808
> > schems...
> > > > http://www.eight-oh-eight.org/phpbb2/ 
> > <http://www.eight-oh-eight.org/phpbb2/>
> > > >
> > > > Specifically... Future Development of MB808 Firmware
> > > > http://eight-oh-eight.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=169 
> > <http://eight-oh-eight.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=169>
> > >
> > > I mean to include percussion programming in P4, so that
> > percussion patterns
> > > are integrated into the same parts as note patterns, or at least
> > changes in
> > > percussion patterns can be tightly sychronised with changes in
> > the note
> > > tracks.
> > > I've been finding it increasingly annoying to maintain the drum
> > parts for
> > > tracks separately from the synth parts.
> > >
> > > > I'll keep my fingers crossed for C/V :O)
> > >
> > > I did some research a while back into the audibility of MIDI
> > delays, and
> > > found the minimum times that can actually be perceived to be 
less
> > than I
> > > thought.
> > > Very short delays that can't be heard in isolation as rhythmic
> > changes can
> > > be heard as timbral changes where sounds are layered - most
> > notably with
> > > percussion sounds.
> > > So the plan is for P4 to include native CV outputs.
> > > In order to make it as flexible as possible, this will likely be
> > on a
> > > daughter-board connected to the main CPU by a very high-speed
> > synchronous
> > > connection.
> > > That way there would be the option to have multiple
> > note/velocity/aux/gate
> > > CV outs for synths, or multiple accent/trig outputs to drive 
drum

> > sounds.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Colin Fraser
> > > Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
> > > http://www.sequentix.com <http://www.sequentix.com>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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>

I would say that the Octopus and Schrittmacher are much
more "sophisticated" then the MAQ...   of course the price
reflects that just like in the P3...  

Just in the last year, a list member had troubles selling their home 
built P3 for
$750 on ebay, so it's a matter of looking and waiting with your money. 

Now for me, I price my P3 at well above the current going Ebay price, 
because I can't
replace it.... so it's value to me is equal to or more then an Octopus. 
So I don't think
that's artificial. It's reality.  If my P3 wasn't there, THAT would be 
very real to me.

And remember, every wish that Colin adds on, is a raise in the price (if 
it's hardware related)....  
so if Price is your concern, then you will want Less features for the 
P4.   I really doubt the P4 will cost the
same or less then the Cyclus3 or Revolution or even a MAQ...  now of 
course Colin can prove us all
wrong, but I really doubt the P4 will be costing $750 or less like the 
Sequencers you listed...


Cheers,
Dave

hysham2000 wrote:

> Thank you very much guyz (and of course to the P3 father, Collin) for
> your feedbacks. So the P4 would arrive "soon" depending many factors.
>
> Maybe a P4 wish list might be needed if not done already to collect
> all users comments (the only comment I can give as a non user
> is "keep it simple" and user friendly).
>
> On my side I will go for the cyclus 3 or the monophonique future
> retro revolution r2 (which has also a mono synth that might be a good
> addition comparing the price difference...) and the doepfer which is
> certainly the most sophisticated (expect the P3 of course).
> I think the P3 second hand price is not fair (even I'm sure it's a
> great sequencer)and it's like the stock market completely artificial
> due to his rareness...
>
> hope the P4 rumor will break this as well....
> thanks !
>
> --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:analogue-sequencer%40yahoogroups.com>, "Richard Scott"
> <richard_scott@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Colin
> >
> > so the intention is that P4 will have a physical interface that
> normal humans can understand, including a bigger display, and I can
> sequence modules, midi controlled fx, a drum synth, a modular and my
> moogermooger pedals all from the same box... (16 or 32 tracks?) I
> imagine recording all this output as midi and audio to my MPC4000 or
> Ableton Live and then constructing the actual songs there. And I
> guess, plus something like usb or a SD card to back everything up,
> wow...
> >
> > assuming a better display, it would be nice to be able to label
> individual tracks so we know what is going where. and if this were
> possible I would love it if the a usb port could also recognise a
> QWERTY keyboard, this is a heck of a lot nicer than scrolling around
> the alphabet to keep everything labelled up... I wish EVERY synth and
> module had this
> >
> > ....but please make sure you miss something important that is on
> the P3 so that my P3 will keep its currently grossly exaggerated
> value... :)
> >
> > oh wait, but then I wouldn't want to want to sell it,
> >
> > must drink at least 3 cups of tea before posting
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Colin Fraser
> > To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:analogue-sequencer%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:26 AM
> > Subject: RE: [analogue-sequencer] Re: P4 ? if yes for when ?
> >
> >
> >
> > > --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:analogue-sequencer%40yahoogroups.com>, "Colin Fraser"
> <colin@>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > > I also want dedicated percussion programming, but that may not
> > > appear at the
> >
> > > Check out... the drum sequencer based on the Roland 808
> schems...
> > > http://www.eight-oh-eight.org/phpbb2/ 
> <http://www.eight-oh-eight.org/phpbb2/>
> > >
> > > Specifically... Future Development of MB808 Firmware
> > > http://eight-oh-eight.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=169 
> <http://eight-oh-eight.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=169>
> >
> > I mean to include percussion programming in P4, so that
> percussion patterns
> > are integrated into the same parts as note patterns, or at least
> changes in
> > percussion patterns can be tightly sychronised with changes in
> the note
> > tracks.
> > I've been finding it increasingly annoying to maintain the drum
> parts for
> > tracks separately from the synth parts.
> >
> > > I'll keep my fingers crossed for C/V :O)
> >
> > I did some research a while back into the audibility of MIDI
> delays, and
> > found the minimum times that can actually be perceived to be less
> than I
> > thought.
> > Very short delays that can't be heard in isolation as rhythmic
> changes can
> > be heard as timbral changes where sounds are layered - most
> notably with
> > percussion sounds.
> > So the plan is for P4 to include native CV outputs.
> > In order to make it as flexible as possible, this will likely be
> on a
> > daughter-board connected to the main CPU by a very high-speed
> synchronous
> > connection.
> > That way there would be the option to have multiple
> note/velocity/aux/gate
> > CV outs for synths, or multiple accent/trig outputs to drive drum
> sounds.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Colin Fraser
> > Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
> > http://www.sequentix.com <http://www.sequentix.com>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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My number interface requests for the P4:

- A big screen that allows you to see all values within a line
- endless rotary encoders
- dedicated pattern selectors and mute buttons

dedicated CV + gate outs is a brilliant idea.  Just one extra request:
the ability to separately specify CV and gate for each line so you can
get legato effects on old analogue gear (of course this isn't in the
MIDI protocol so it would only apply to the analogue outs, although I
suppose you can fake it with pitch bends ...)

P4 is going to blow everything else out of the water!



--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott"
<richard_scott@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Colin
> 
> so the intention is that P4 will have a physical interface that
normal humans can understand, including a bigger display, and I can
sequence modules, midi controlled fx, a drum synth, a modular and my
moogermooger pedals all from the same box...  (16 or 32 tracks?) I
imagine recording all this output as midi and audio to my MPC4000 or
Ableton Live and then constructing the actual songs there. And I
guess, plus something like usb or a SD card to back everything up, wow... 
> 
> assuming a better display, it would be nice to be able to label
individual tracks so we know what is going where. and if this were
possible I would love it if the a usb port could also recognise a
QWERTY keyboard, this is a heck of a lot nicer than scrolling around
the alphabet to keep everything labelled up... I wish EVERY synth and
module had this
> 
> ....but please make sure you miss something important that is on the
P3 so that my P3 will keep its currently grossly exaggerated value... :)
> 
> oh  wait, but then I  wouldn't want to want to sell it, 
> 
> must drink at least 3 cups of tea before posting
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Colin Fraser 
>   To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:26 AM
>   Subject: RE: [analogue-sequencer] Re: P4 ? if yes for when ?
> 
> 
> 
>   > --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Colin Fraser" <colin@>
>   > wrote:
> 
>   > > I also want dedicated percussion programming, but that may not
>   > appear at the
> 
>   > Check out... the drum sequencer based on the Roland 808 schems...
>   > http://www.eight-oh-eight.org/phpbb2/
>   > 
>   > Specifically... Future Development of MB808 Firmware
>   > http://eight-oh-eight.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=169
> 
>   I mean to include percussion programming in P4, so that percussion
patterns
>   are integrated into the same parts as note patterns, or at least
changes in
>   percussion patterns can be tightly sychronised with changes in the
note
>   tracks.
>   I've been finding it increasingly annoying to maintain the drum
parts for
>   tracks separately from the synth parts.
> 
>   > I'll keep my fingers crossed for C/V :O)
> 
>   I did some research a while back into the audibility of MIDI
delays, and
>   found the minimum times that can actually be perceived to be less
than I
>   thought.
>   Very short delays that can't be heard in isolation as rhythmic
changes can
>   be heard as timbral changes where sounds are layered - most
notably with
>   percussion sounds.
>   So the plan is for P4 to include native CV outputs.
>   In order to make it as flexible as possible, this will likely be on a
>   daughter-board connected to the main CPU by a very high-speed
synchronous
>   connection.
>   That way there would be the option to have multiple
note/velocity/aux/gate
>   CV outs for synths, or multiple accent/trig outputs to drive drum
sounds.

> 
>   Best regards,
>   Colin Fraser
>   Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
>   http://www.sequentix.com
> 
> 
> 
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